Then don't start frivolous law suits, that your lawyers know you will loose...then cry about it to put blame on "the government" instead of grifting , irresponsible lawyers. Go to the casino and tell them you want your money back because its "unfair".
OMFG! What a shameful demonstration of a government against the people it serves! The fact they would even ask, let alone a judge reward, such a judgment! I just have no words!!!!!!!
Thank you for covering this Ian. I am disgusted by our Government & the Judicial system, that thinks this is a proper , fair way to treat victim's families 🤬
Once someone is convicted that person’s privacy should not supersede a victims right to know, and to sue a victims family for costs is just plain cruel. I used to look to Canada as a model of a well run country but it’s clearly changing.
From National Post - a go fund me has been taken down at the request of the victims lawyers. “I know your intentions are genuine and heartfelt, but in the end the (government) was forced to walk its position back and waive the cost order, so no money is owing. Further, out of principle I do not charge the families for my legal services. Everything is pro bono. I do not want, nor will I accept any money or payment for what I do,” he wrote to Rollins Thursday morning.
This type of criminal should never be eligible for parole in the first place. They should be kept in Max security. Would the judge want these guys living next door? !
@@jlys5037When someone is granted PAROLE, they should be taken in by a member of the Parole Board, for the period of their Parole. Shouldn’t be a problem, as they have been deemed fit to return to Society.
As an Australian this demonstrates that Canada is no longer a country that is values aligned with us. Our previous government was such a heartless self serving entity that it was swept from office. Hoping that Canadian's can pressure for change too.
As bad as it is here its still no where near the level as Australia. Also Canadian a trying to stand up to this garbage while the overwhelming majority of Australians aren’t. You can be arrested for cursing, voicing your opinions, etc in Australia.
@@AlexanderMason1 as someone who regularly 'voices my opinion' and even 'protests' I can say that you are not correct. And we are actively push8ng back against harsher protest laws. Hate speech inciting violence however is an arrestable offence.
What are you talking about? As a Canadian, this demonstrates our country is absolutely 100% aligned with yours in Australia. Did you think we forgot the camps you made and the teenagers you chased down to lock up without cause or trial? We're both marching down the authoritarian brick road together, scarecrow.
If our PM can blow money left, right and centre that doesn’t serve the public (only their interests) … the Canadian Government should be paying this! This is DISGUSTING!!!!
Same Prime Minister that fired his Justice Minister when she insisted on upholding the laws around corporate corruption... but your average Canadian doesn't give a poop...
I was horrified when I heard that Bernardo was being moved out of max penitentiary. I didn't know about this. This is ridiculous! Is there anything we can do?
Why am I only seeing this on THIS RUclips channel!?!? Why the hell has the national press not bothered to pick this story up as well.!? This disgusts me as a human being and a Canadian. Wow. So CANADA.
Victims rights to should always supersede those of a convicted criminal! And in the case of costs victims should never be penalized. This should be enshrined in law! The fact that it is not is reflective of our Canadian Liberal justice system. Shameful!
Paul and Karla attempted to abduct me from a mall a few days before he was arrested. I was almost his last victim. I'm completely disgusted that these families are being victimized again
Disgraceful for any governmental agency to do this to these traumatized victims. As the mother of a murdered son, I would absolutely lose my shit if I were billed for anything whatsoever in regards to my sons brutal murder. I cant even imagine what rationale would go through the person's mind who ultimately signed such an order. What in the ever loving world would make a person think for even a minute that those families should have to pay a penny? I hope all of Canada is outraged and voices a sense of horror and anger at this outcome. It's just outrageous. It's not like those families had asked for anything frivolous or unthinkable. It's bad enough that they weren't entitled to that information. Their loved ones were brutally stripped of the rest of their lives. And the policemen were serving their community for God's sake. When someone commits such crimes as this, why do they have any rights to privacy? You take away their freedom, their rights in many other respects, but somehow these murderer's right to privacy is a higher priority than the family's right to know? No people, this is just wrong. To hell with these men's rights to anything. They sure werent worried about the rights of their victims. And so now to add insult to injury, you send them a bill? Has government lost all sense of reasoning? I just dont understand how things like this even happen. And it's not the amount of money that I find appalling, it's the sheer callousness that anyone would weigh this decision and conclude in this manner. What the bloody hell is wrong with you people? Sorry for the rant, this really hit a nerve with me. A little too close to home. I stand 100% behind these families trying to get the info they requested. They earned the right to know how these men spent their time in prison. They EARNED that right when these men chose to take away all the rights of their victims.
My deepest condolences go out to you for your loss. I'd gently suggest, only if it wouldn't be too much an emotional burden, that if you were to copy this rant as is along with a brief explanatory paragraph for context to your local MP, it would send a powerful statement to someone in government just how much an egregious abuse of trust this is. They won't get the message otherwise
Are you moving to a better country? The only country left that has any real freedom is the US, but it won't be for too much longer now because of all the idiots that keep voting D. It's amazing how effective the propaganda is, that people in other countries think the D's are the good guys. And thus with every vote we lose more and more of our freedom as the entirety of civilization crumbles. Quite frankly, I'd prefer everyone stay in their own country and try to fix it, rather than come to mine and make it worse.
@@62Cristoforo The NDP have no chance whatsoever of forming a federal government. Vote NDP and Trudeau and company will feel everything is good cause they will be back in power.
From the Sun: "Danson said the families who have already paid the ultimate price did not pay the $4,000 and will not. “Knowing how awful this looked and given my outrage, they backed off in the Federal Court of Appeal,” he said. "
Canadian, here. I well remember the horrors that Bernardo inflicted not just on his direct victims but on every person in that time. Young women disappearing, evidence of hideous acts perpetrated against them and every female between the ages of 12 and 30 living in fear - as did their parents. This parole hearing resulted in Bernardo (at least) being secretly moved from maximum security prison in ostensible preparation for being released back into society. He is a monster and should NEVER be released to terrorize the populace again. That the government had the unmitigated gall to charge the families of the victims for wanting to know what happened, and WHY the penalties were being reduced is shameful. Absolutely shameful.
This is gross. I am a Canadian who grew up in Scarborough and was a teenager when Bernardo was called 'The Scarborough Rapist'. It was a truly scary time and I would say the end of my innocence. My Mom had talked to me my whole life about how to keep myself safe, but that was the first time I really had fear that I might not make it home alive from my high school or part-time job at the mall. I would say keeping Bernardo behind bars 24/7 for the rest of his life is definitely in the public interest. While I agree that this is unjust, does the PM have the actual authority to intervene in and/or reverse a court decision? My understanding is he does not/cannot.
I cannot fathom the concept of unattended temporary absences. I didn't think there were supposed to be vacations from prison, especially for such incredibly violent offenders!
Usually UTA's are coordinated with some type of expected outside activity if not earned, rarely given near start of sentence and with conditions on them. Most of the ones I knew of were individuals given a UTA to attend a dying family member or funeral where the escort might bring more issue to the compassionate leave. Other reasons could be work/education which was common in youth cases. They are 'unattended' in that the person doesn't have a direct officer next to them but almost always have an itinerary and expected check in times. Also low tier personnel like I had been are usually tasked with phoning each place on the itinerary to cross check the person went where they said they would when they said they would.
@@axolotllan thank you for the information, I appreciate it. I can see this as being an acceptable thing for non-violent offenders. But for a murderer, I think the law should take into consideration that the innocent people he snuffed out will never get any "leave" of any sort from death. I don't think a violent offender like that should ever be let out for anything, let alone unattended. As we all know, people get shot at work, youth classes, schools, funerals, everywhere. And for someone who should die in prison anyway, I see no point in allowing them to go to classes or school or anything that might help the time go by any faster for them. Just completely opposed to it for violent offenders I guess, and don't understand how it can be considered safe or justified in those cases. I do appreciate the additional info though.
@@TenaciousSLG I understand, and yeah it can feel pretty unfathomable for violent offences. Most of my work was min security and teens so for me these things felt like part of trying to build trust and get these kiddos on track for better future choices. Though, I know from some friends who worked max security prisons with certain units some violent offenders are only consider risk to reoffend if not medicated for underlying conditions and are only permitted outings supervised or not if they provably take their meds. It's a hard line to hold as to whether the service of our system in strictly punitive or intended to have rehabilatative roots and goals and what we do to reduce recidivism where possible. Another reason an offender might be getting UTA's I forgot to mention is if they are approaching a parole and the board wants to gauge if they will adapt or whether they need a reclassification of terms and conditions as it were.
This disgusts me .As a Canadian and someone who lived thru the horror of the Bernardo/ Holmolka murders the family should not be charged a cent . This is wrong on so many levels !
One thing Ive learned living in Canada is that victims have to fight damn hard to get treated with the respect and compassion they deserve. The govt fighting the residential school survivors was an attestement to that.
As a U.S. viewer seeing the victims families become victims again by their own government is so very disturbing. Thanks Ian, for a very enlightening video regarding Canada's legal system.
I was living in Burlington, seconds from a crime scene at that time. My girls were small and I am disgusted by this. I am seriously concerned about Canada's judiciary system.
Listening to this, I’m horrified that the victims and their family members have to pay in such a manner. This is shameful! Where I live, victims of crime and family members can and do, make claims for restitution.
You could try doing an information request like the families did. As a member of the public you would literally be helping make the case for the victims that it is a public interest case.
As a kiwi seeing Canada as our commonwealth cousin, how is this case of any public service? Thanks for covering this Ian so devastated for the families this is so unjust 😢
One of these Munro brothers was paroled and shipped to Italy. Another, not involved in the killing of Officer Sweet, claimed to be "partly Aboriginal" in an effort to avoid a dangerous offender designation himself after stomping a domestic partner. Nasty, horrible wastes.
The fact that the "partly aboriginal" claim was even a tactic speaks volumes about how perverse things have become. If you claim that genetics magically made you predisposed to committing violent acts, you're suggesting that you are _inherently_ dangerous, not _less_ dangerous. For all I know, maybe it wasn't even an appeal to reason, but rather a lazy exploitation of existing double standards within the bureaucracy... as if that's somehow less of a shame.
@@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC Well, there are very valid reasons for judges and justices of the peace to pay "particular attention" to the circumstances of Indigenous offenders. There is a great deal of case law surrounding the issue in Canada. Also a couple of sections in the Canadian Criminal Code. It's not about "genetics". I do, however, think that just saying the words "I'm partly Aboriginal" is pretty lazy. On everyone's part. Especially in Ontario, where that happened, where there are significant resources for delving into a person's Indigenous background and circumstances.
The government is saying "Don't use your rights, shut up and do what we want or we'll make you pay." We have a word for that. We named a dinosaur after it.
I remember learning about Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka as a kid watching HBO's Autopsy. Whatever you think they did, it's actually so much worse. The idea that families of victims are paying anything is disgusting.
What a blunder from the government's part. I hope they think very hard about this nonsense and decide to give the families their money back. It is ridiculous. The only thing that would make this even more scandalous is if the inmates received any money from this.
Thinking about the wellbeing and best interests of the public doesn't seem to be a factor in our current government's calculus. They are not interested in appeasing public outrage, but do seem to enjoy belittling and underestimating a great number of citizens.
@@RodBatten Personally, I think that it is bureaucracy at its "finest", but it certainly does make it seem like they just don't care about people. It's sad.
Why did the government stop the demand for payment? This is the same government that allowed the parole board to transfer Bernardo to minimum security and NO ONE said a word about it to the families. Where was the respect for the victims?
There's such an irrational anti-American bias in Canada that your words, however logical or rational, will be automatically ignored by our politicians.
MPs emails are usually public information, so you can write there. Also you can try writing to your state senator and have them try to push against Canada. Whatever goes down in the USA tends to trickle up north to Canada.
Call your Liberal MP...let them know what you think...call them once a month. The families should get back the $19000 plus additional costs for the suffering they must endure everytime they need to argue for the murders to not get parole.
Sadly, this doesn't even come close to cracking the top five ways that the Canadian "justice" system utterly failed the Mahaffy and French families. The following is a short chronological list. I would order them by vileness but it is all so vile, I don't even know where to begin ranking this: 1. Failing to catch the Scarborough R word even with a description of the car, perpetrator DNA off victims and DNA from the criminal. This would have put the husband (I will use husband and wife as I dont' want to even type the name of the two criminals involved) behind bars before the girls were ever kidnapped. 2. Failing to investigate the death of Tammy Homolka properly and writing it off as an accidental overdose. Second chance to stop this couple before the girls were kidnapped. 3. Failing to find the multiple VHS tapes of the crime during the execution of a search warrant of the couples house. From all accounts during the trial, the tapes prove both the husband and wife were full participants in the crimes. 4. Then there is the lawyer who went into the house after the search and removed the VHS tapes so the police wouldn't find them (the husband told the lawyer where to find them). In the US I believe the lawyer would have been obligated to turn over the tapes. Not sure that is the case in Canada. Instead, this guy held on to them for 17 months even though he was horrified by them. 5. And let's not forget the sweetheart 12 year deal the crown made with the wife. She seems to have the ability to wrap men around her finger. 6. The justice system did make her serve the whole 12 years. Of course once she was out, the system was going to let her apply for a pardon so she could travel out of the country with her new husband (the brother of her lawyer). Only after incredible pressure from the French/Mahaffy families and the public did the politicians finally act to stop this from happening. The politicians couldn't even do this on their own. I am sure there is more but these are the immediate lowlights I can remember of the total failure of the system. To be honest, charging the $4,000 is one of the nicer things the system did to the families. Our justice system handled and continues to handle this so poorly it is amazing the full amount wasn't ordered.
PMJT isn't clearly like the rest of us, this is a display of blatant disregard of compassion and empathy....is he that sick mentally to actually do this. It is like spitting in their faces and mocking their suffering. He needs to resign!!!
For some reason, fleas are remarkably bad at not sucking blood. It's difficult to understand how they're so bad at leaving other people's blood alone. I guess it's just a mystery.
According to our government, victims families making informed submissions to the Parole Board is somehow not in the public interest but protecting the privacy rights of convicted murderers is.
Hey chat. What if we all contact our MPs and let them know how outraged we are about this. Put pressure on the govt to make this right. It’s an embarrassment
This has nothing at all and whatsoever to do with ‘the government’, or with Trudeau. The courts are a completely separate branch of government distinct from Parliament.
Agreed it was misleading, when a judge makes the final decision and Runkle (sorry) kinda makes it sound like Trudeau himself was ordering it when in was a lawyer in a cubical somewhere in Ottawa...
So disappointing, perpetrators of crime have more rights than victims despite all the self serving words of those who would speak for the Canadian Justice system. I have always believed that the legal profession and our politicians look down upon the rest of us. There is no compassion or empathy in their eyes.
This is absolutely disgusting. The victim’s families had their lives ruined already, they didn’t need to be punished even further.
Agreed
Then don't start frivolous law suits, that your lawyers know you will loose...then cry about it to put blame on "the government" instead of grifting , irresponsible lawyers. Go to the casino and tell them you want your money back because its "unfair".
Shameful. Embarrassing. What has Canada become?
What we let it become-a haven for woke lunatics who are empowered by a judicial system that prioritizes ideology over justice.
Cuba Jr.
Trudeau's government is legit evil. I don't use the term lightly. Spineless and corrupt.
A nation run by criminals for criminals.
A china cuba commie hybrid. Castro and the rest of the pigs need to be put in a pen.
OMFG! What a shameful demonstration of a government against the people it serves! The fact they would even ask, let alone a judge reward, such a judgment! I just have no words!!!!!!!
This government does not serve the people at all.
The government is like an HR department for a corporation. It's not there to serve and protect you; it's there to serve and protect itself.
The judge needs the bums' rush
@@tomwhent8073 This government serves it's people....on a menu
What happened to Canada?
This country is beyond broken.
$4000 doesn't even cover one night at a hotel for Trudeau...
Thank you for covering this Ian. I am disgusted by our Government & the Judicial system, that thinks this is a proper , fair way to treat victim's families 🤬
Once someone is convicted that person’s privacy should not supersede a victims right to know, and to sue a victims family for costs is just plain cruel. I used to look to Canada as a model of a well run country but it’s clearly changing.
Yes, it is sad the way this country is going.
Even more sad is that the Lions who would fight such madness are long in their graves.
What else do you expect from a half arsed half cuban frog?
This is what did it? Not them giving a dude who ate another guy on a bus a whole new identity and releasing him into the public with no stipulations?
It changed in November of 2015.
The government should be paying them. This is a total disgrace. Thank you for addressing it. Do we need a fundraiser? I think so!!
Yes we as Canadians should help the victims families...
From National Post - a go fund me has been taken down at the request of the victims lawyers.
“I know your intentions are genuine and heartfelt, but in the end the (government) was forced to walk its position back and waive the cost order, so no money is owing. Further, out of principle I do not charge the families for my legal services. Everything is pro bono. I do not want, nor will I accept any money or payment for what I do,” he wrote to Rollins Thursday morning.
@@Motions.in.Lemonaid Glad to hear that and applaud Mr. Rollins. A powerful blessing in the worst of possible situations.
@@matthewwoods6480 Looks like some help is on hand, per the message below. Thanks heavens. Thank you.
He wastes more money on a hotel room...such a creep
Older Canadians know all to well what kind of a violent offering Paul is
Even we in the US haven't forgotten the horrible crimes of Paul & Karla. Shudder!
why are convicted murderers getting "unescorted temporary absences" from prison, ever?
Unescorted isn't always a bad thing. Give the public a chance to say Hi.
just another example of bureaucracy failing basic sense and morality. kafka is crying somewhere.
Victim families should never have to pay legal costs. Period. Families have indeed suffered enough. 💯
The government should be paying them. This is a total disgrace.
The fact they needed to file a lawsuit simply for information to contest parole is terrible, & that's before being denied & billed.
This type of criminal should never be eligible for parole in the first place. They should be kept in Max security. Would the judge want these guys living next door? !
@@jlys5037When someone is granted PAROLE, they should be taken in by a member of the Parole Board, for the period of their Parole. Shouldn’t be a problem, as they have been deemed fit to return to Society.
As an Australian this demonstrates that Canada is no longer a country that is values aligned with us. Our previous government was such a heartless self serving entity that it was swept from office. Hoping that Canadian's can pressure for change too.
As bad as it is here its still no where near the level as Australia. Also Canadian a trying to stand up to this garbage while the overwhelming majority of Australians aren’t. You can be arrested for cursing, voicing your opinions, etc in Australia.
@@AlexanderMason1 as someone who regularly 'voices my opinion' and even 'protests' I can say that you are not correct. And we are actively push8ng back against harsher protest laws. Hate speech inciting violence however is an arrestable offence.
What are you talking about? As a Canadian, this demonstrates our country is absolutely 100% aligned with yours in Australia. Did you think we forgot the camps you made and the teenagers you chased down to lock up without cause or trial? We're both marching down the authoritarian brick road together, scarecrow.
@@sicsempertyrannishonk7197 that government is no longer. Murdoch manipulation of the news is waning.
@@AlexanderMason1 "You can be arrested for cursting, voicing your opinions etc in Australia" lol
come here and say that.
If our PM can blow money left, right and centre that doesn’t serve the public (only their interests) … the Canadian Government should be paying this!
This is DISGUSTING!!!!
The liberal gov gave Omar khadar 10 million dollars a convicted terrorist, taxpayers dollars just handed over to criminals
Same Prime Minister that fired his Justice Minister when she insisted on upholding the laws around corporate corruption... but your average Canadian doesn't give a poop...
I was horrified when I heard that Bernardo was being moved out of max penitentiary. I didn't know about this. This is ridiculous! Is there anything we can do?
Boot both the Liberals and NDP out of Office for being such spineless bullies...?
I’m actually going to sit down and write a letter to my MP.
Everyone else that see this should.
So many civil servants to terminate for high treason.
Why am I only seeing this on THIS RUclips channel!?!? Why the hell has the national press not bothered to pick this story up as well.!? This disgusts me as a human being and a Canadian. Wow. So CANADA.
Victims rights to should always supersede those of a convicted criminal! And in the case of costs victims should never be penalized. This should be enshrined in law! The fact that it is not is reflective of our Canadian Liberal justice system. Shameful!
Paul and Karla attempted to abduct me from a mall a few days before he was arrested. I was almost his last victim. I'm completely disgusted that these families are being victimized again
I think the victim’s families should be reimbursed asap. That Trudeau has the gall to demand money from them is outrageous!
someone will do a gofundme, no biggie. What surprises me is that people expect the government to have their back in the first place.
@@themudpit621 you speak wise words sir. What was I thinking? 🤦🏽♀️
Disgraceful for any governmental agency to do this to these traumatized victims. As the mother of a murdered son, I would absolutely lose my shit if I were billed for anything whatsoever in regards to my sons brutal murder. I cant even imagine what rationale would go through the person's mind who ultimately signed such an order. What in the ever loving world would make a person think for even a minute that those families should have to pay a penny? I hope all of Canada is outraged and voices a sense of horror and anger at this outcome. It's just outrageous. It's not like those families had asked for anything frivolous or unthinkable. It's bad enough that they weren't entitled to that information. Their loved ones were brutally stripped of the rest of their lives. And the policemen were serving their community for God's sake. When someone commits such crimes as this, why do they have any rights to privacy? You take away their freedom, their rights in many other respects, but somehow these murderer's right to privacy is a higher priority than the family's right to know? No people, this is just wrong. To hell with these men's rights to anything. They sure werent worried about the rights of their victims. And so now to add insult to injury, you send them a bill? Has government lost all sense of reasoning? I just dont understand how things like this even happen.
And it's not the amount of money that I find appalling, it's the sheer callousness that anyone would weigh this decision and conclude in this manner. What the bloody hell is wrong with you people?
Sorry for the rant, this really hit a nerve with me. A little too close to home. I stand 100% behind these families trying to get the info they requested. They earned the right to know how these men spent their time in prison. They EARNED that right when these men chose to take away all the rights of their victims.
Nobody should ever have to go through what you went through.
My deepest condolences go out to you for your loss.
I'd gently suggest, only if it wouldn't be too much an emotional burden, that if you were to copy this rant as is along with a brief explanatory paragraph for context to your local MP, it would send a powerful statement to someone in government just how much an egregious abuse of trust this is. They won't get the message otherwise
This was the last straw for me, and the fact that the Liberal gov would think this was acceptable absolutely makes me sick.
The last straw? That sounds ominous.
What are you gonna do? Vote NDP?
@@62CristoforoI hope not, they are the only party that would make Trudeau look good.
Are you moving to a better country? The only country left that has any real freedom is the US, but it won't be for too much longer now because of all the idiots that keep voting D. It's amazing how effective the propaganda is, that people in other countries think the D's are the good guys. And thus with every vote we lose more and more of our freedom as the entirety of civilization crumbles. Quite frankly, I'd prefer everyone stay in their own country and try to fix it, rather than come to mine and make it worse.
@@62Cristoforo The NDP have no chance whatsoever of forming a federal government. Vote NDP and Trudeau and company will feel everything is good cause they will be back in power.
This was a judge not the government
WOW! Shocking. This is totally a public issue.
Completely disgraceful! Such a shame. 😔
So they gave the murderer a nicer room, and charged his victims to pay for it?
From the Sun: "Danson said the families who have already paid the ultimate price did not pay the $4,000 and will not.
“Knowing how awful this looked and given my outrage, they backed off in the Federal Court of Appeal,” he said. "
Canadian, here. I well remember the horrors that Bernardo inflicted not just on his direct victims but on every person in that time. Young women disappearing, evidence of hideous acts perpetrated against them and every female between the ages of 12 and 30 living in fear - as did their parents. This parole hearing resulted in Bernardo (at least) being secretly moved from maximum security prison in ostensible preparation for being released back into society. He is a monster and should NEVER be released to terrorize the populace again. That the government had the unmitigated gall to charge the families of the victims for wanting to know what happened, and WHY the penalties were being reduced is shameful. Absolutely shameful.
Absolutely horrifying but thank you for bringing it to our attention
Another $4000 for the government to horrifically misspend.
We both seem to have really shitty governments.
Name one good government? It's not just Canada and the US.
@@MrNorker77 There are none. The US, UK, AUS, NZ, and CAN have all gone commie-socialist leaving nothing but garbage ruling the world.
@@MrNorker77what’s your point?
@@oleandra3759 _His point is that all governments regardless of nationality are "shitty governments."_ You're welcome.
This is gross. I am a Canadian who grew up in Scarborough and was a teenager when Bernardo was called 'The Scarborough Rapist'. It was a truly scary time and I would say the end of my innocence. My Mom had talked to me my whole life about how to keep myself safe, but that was the first time I really had fear that I might not make it home alive from my high school or part-time job at the mall. I would say keeping Bernardo behind bars 24/7 for the rest of his life is definitely in the public interest. While I agree that this is unjust, does the PM have the actual authority to intervene in and/or reverse a court decision? My understanding is he does not/cannot.
Somehow I suspect that if one of these families had the right government connections they would not be walking away with a bill.
Another example of how criminals have more rights than non criminals.
I cannot fathom the concept of unattended temporary absences. I didn't think there were supposed to be vacations from prison, especially for such incredibly violent offenders!
Usually UTA's are coordinated with some type of expected outside activity if not earned, rarely given near start of sentence and with conditions on them. Most of the ones I knew of were individuals given a UTA to attend a dying family member or funeral where the escort might bring more issue to the compassionate leave. Other reasons could be work/education which was common in youth cases. They are 'unattended' in that the person doesn't have a direct officer next to them but almost always have an itinerary and expected check in times. Also low tier personnel like I had been are usually tasked with phoning each place on the itinerary to cross check the person went where they said they would when they said they would.
@@axolotllan thank you for the information, I appreciate it. I can see this as being an acceptable thing for non-violent offenders. But for a murderer, I think the law should take into consideration that the innocent people he snuffed out will never get any "leave" of any sort from death. I don't think a violent offender like that should ever be let out for anything, let alone unattended. As we all know, people get shot at work, youth classes, schools, funerals, everywhere. And for someone who should die in prison anyway, I see no point in allowing them to go to classes or school or anything that might help the time go by any faster for them. Just completely opposed to it for violent offenders I guess, and don't understand how it can be considered safe or justified in those cases. I do appreciate the additional info though.
@@TenaciousSLG I understand, and yeah it can feel pretty unfathomable for violent offences. Most of my work was min security and teens so for me these things felt like part of trying to build trust and get these kiddos on track for better future choices. Though, I know from some friends who worked max security prisons with certain units some violent offenders are only consider risk to reoffend if not medicated for underlying conditions and are only permitted outings supervised or not if they provably take their meds. It's a hard line to hold as to whether the service of our system in strictly punitive or intended to have rehabilatative roots and goals and what we do to reduce recidivism where possible. Another reason an offender might be getting UTA's I forgot to mention is if they are approaching a parole and the board wants to gauge if they will adapt or whether they need a reclassification of terms and conditions as it were.
The right thing to do is make legislative change that prevents this from ever happening again.
is there anything we can do to put pressure on the government about this? it's just vile.
This government is always out of touch!!!!
I can’t imagine a government more out of touch with Canadians.
Dangerous Offenders should lose their right to privacy once convicted.
Can a GoFundMe be set up to help raise the money? All Canadians have an interest in keeping these monsters behind bars.
This disgusts me .As a Canadian and someone who lived thru the horror of the Bernardo/ Holmolka murders the family should not be charged a cent . This is wrong on so many levels !
One thing Ive learned living in Canada is that victims have to fight damn hard to get treated with the respect and compassion they deserve. The govt fighting the residential school survivors was an attestement to that.
A society which does not justly employ the death penalty has decided to be unserious about crime.
Seeing things like this make me ashamed to be Canadian
Holy crap, that's disgusting. It's not only the $4000 to the govt - they already had to pay their own lawyers. FFS.
As a U.S. viewer seeing the victims families become victims again by their own government is so very disturbing. Thanks Ian, for a very enlightening video regarding Canada's legal system.
I'm so glad you covered this. Absolutely unbelievable that the family of the victims would be treated this way.
Very sad state of affairs.
Only in Canada.....zero justice to be had......disgusting.
Love you Ian. F Trudope and this crazy country.
Tredeau pays out a people who committed terrorists acts but screws the family's of victims without a second thought. Disgusting .
I was living in Burlington, seconds from a crime scene at that time. My girls were small and I am disgusted by this. I am seriously concerned about Canada's judiciary system.
Its not enough, the WEF demands that all murder victims families pay more money and also go to jail.
Listening to this, I’m horrified that the victims and their family members have to pay in such a manner. This is shameful! Where I live, victims of crime and family members can and do, make claims for restitution.
This is horrifying to me and I am glad that you brought this to our attention. Who would you recommend we write to about this? So shameful.
You could try doing an information request like the families did. As a member of the public you would literally be helping make the case for the victims that it is a public interest case.
@@Ato0theJ Thank you so very much for your reply.
As a kiwi seeing Canada as our commonwealth cousin, how is this case of any public service? Thanks for covering this Ian so devastated for the families this is so unjust 😢
Canada does not have a justice system. We have a legal system where justice is not seen.
One of these Munro brothers was paroled and shipped to Italy. Another, not involved in the killing of Officer Sweet, claimed to be "partly Aboriginal" in an effort to avoid a dangerous offender designation himself after stomping a domestic partner. Nasty, horrible wastes.
The fact that the "partly aboriginal" claim was even a tactic speaks volumes about how perverse things have become. If you claim that genetics magically made you predisposed to committing violent acts, you're suggesting that you are _inherently_ dangerous, not _less_ dangerous. For all I know, maybe it wasn't even an appeal to reason, but rather a lazy exploitation of existing double standards within the bureaucracy... as if that's somehow less of a shame.
@@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC Well, there are very valid reasons for judges and justices of the peace to pay "particular attention" to the circumstances of Indigenous offenders. There is a great deal of case law surrounding the issue in Canada. Also a couple of sections in the Canadian Criminal Code. It's not about "genetics". I do, however, think that just saying the words "I'm partly Aboriginal" is pretty lazy. On everyone's part. Especially in Ontario, where that happened, where there are significant resources for delving into a person's Indigenous background and circumstances.
Horrifying and tragic. I am always happy when a professional has patience for the details. Don't worry about me.
Bad outcome after bad outcome. It's very difficult to have any respect for our legal system at this point.
Not Canadian but i remember this. It was horrifying to Americans too. What the Canadian Government is doing is so very wrong.
The government is saying "Don't use your rights, shut up and do what we want or we'll make you pay."
We have a word for that. We named a dinosaur after it.
Seems like they missed the part about Canadian citizens being horrified if they demanded costs from the victims…
There should be an Online Petition to get that money back.
I remember learning about Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka as a kid watching HBO's Autopsy. Whatever you think they did, it's actually so much worse. The idea that families of victims are paying anything is disgusting.
What a blunder from the government's part. I hope they think very hard about this nonsense and decide to give the families their money back. It is ridiculous. The only thing that would make this even more scandalous is if the inmates received any money from this.
Thinking about the wellbeing and best interests of the public doesn't seem to be a factor in our current government's calculus. They are not interested in appeasing public outrage, but do seem to enjoy belittling and underestimating a great number of citizens.
@@RodBatten Personally, I think that it is bureaucracy at its "finest", but it certainly does make it seem like they just don't care about people. It's sad.
The "government" does what the half arsed half cuban frog tells them. Pin the travesty on him 100%
Outrageous behavior on the part of the courts. Unforgivable. Absolutely unforgivable.
The insult is that they lost the case.
This is disgusting. Our government just gets more and more embarassing everyday.
Why did the government stop the demand for payment? This is the same government that allowed the parole board to transfer Bernardo to minimum security and NO ONE said a word about it to the families. Where was the respect for the victims?
Very horrifying
It is very unlikely to see their brothers do the correct thing especially when it comes to Canadians.
Why do they not buy Bernardo a fine neck tie to wear around his new jail cell?
😢 disgusting $4000 or ANY AMOUNT awarded. 😮
Wow. I´m not a canadian, but holy wow. Nope, this was disgusting. I remember these murders. Thanks for covering it, Ian
Life appears to be really cheap in Canada. People like Bernardo should have a life sentence with NO chance of parole.
"Life appears to be really cheap in Canada"
Always has been, ever since the country's inception.
This can not be true, victims forced to pay the govt? Which govt, Ontario i assume, ? The govt gives no care for the good citizens
The Canadian legal industry (no justice involved anymore) is broken beyond repair.
Absolutely disgusting. Watching from US, but makes me want to ask if there is anyone we can write to about this travesty?!
There's such an irrational anti-American bias in Canada that your words, however logical or rational, will be automatically ignored by our politicians.
MPs emails are usually public information, so you can write there. Also you can try writing to your state senator and have them try to push against Canada. Whatever goes down in the USA tends to trickle up north to Canada.
Horrific
Call your Liberal MP...let them know what you think...call them once a month. The families should get back the $19000 plus additional costs for the suffering they must endure everytime they need to argue for the murders to not get parole.
This makes me feel icky.
Sadly, this doesn't even come close to cracking the top five ways that the Canadian "justice" system utterly failed the Mahaffy and French families. The following is a short chronological list. I would order them by vileness but it is all so vile, I don't even know where to begin ranking this:
1. Failing to catch the Scarborough R word even with a description of the car, perpetrator DNA off victims and DNA from the criminal. This would have put the husband (I will use husband and wife as I dont' want to even type the name of the two criminals involved) behind bars before the girls were ever kidnapped.
2. Failing to investigate the death of Tammy Homolka properly and writing it off as an accidental overdose. Second chance to stop this couple before the girls were kidnapped.
3. Failing to find the multiple VHS tapes of the crime during the execution of a search warrant of the couples house. From all accounts during the trial, the tapes prove both the husband and wife were full participants in the crimes.
4. Then there is the lawyer who went into the house after the search and removed the VHS tapes so the police wouldn't find them (the husband told the lawyer where to find them). In the US I believe the lawyer would have been obligated to turn over the tapes. Not sure that is the case in Canada. Instead, this guy held on to them for 17 months even though he was horrified by them.
5. And let's not forget the sweetheart 12 year deal the crown made with the wife. She seems to have the ability to wrap men around her finger.
6. The justice system did make her serve the whole 12 years. Of course once she was out, the system was going to let her apply for a pardon so she could travel out of the country with her new husband (the brother of her lawyer). Only after incredible pressure from the French/Mahaffy families and the public did the politicians finally act to stop this from happening. The politicians couldn't even do this on their own.
I am sure there is more but these are the immediate lowlights I can remember of the total failure of the system. To be honest, charging the $4,000 is one of the nicer things the system did to the families. Our justice system handled and continues to handle this so poorly it is amazing the full amount wasn't ordered.
Wow, just wow. Those poor people. 😞
The missing VHS tapes and the lawyer's involvement always seemed crazy. This alone would make an excellent video.
Yeah, seeking costs here was an incredibly dumb idea on the government's part. Geez.
PMJT isn't clearly like the rest of us, this is a display of blatant disregard of compassion and empathy....is he that sick mentally to actually do this. It is like spitting in their faces and mocking their suffering. He needs to resign!!!
Weren't all the heinous facts taken into account during their original sentencing?
Government consistently outdoes themselves at failing to serve. They keep getting better at failing and we get better at tolerating it.
For some reason, fleas are remarkably bad at not sucking blood. It's difficult to understand how they're so bad at leaving other people's blood alone. I guess it's just a mystery.
Great video! The government ia so damn cheap.
Utter ridiculousness
Somehow I’m not surprised by this. Our government sucks!!!
According to our government, victims families making informed submissions to the Parole Board is somehow not in the public interest but protecting the privacy rights of convicted murderers is.
Return my portion to the families.
Just when I think this govt couldn't disgust me more, they did this. I'm thankful it was waived because seriously.....
Thank you for covering these issues Sir
Thank you for covering! I remember the Bernardo case. I agree, government should cover it. They wasted more on PM’s vacations!
Hey chat. What if we all contact our MPs and let them know how outraged we are about this. Put pressure on the govt to make this right. It’s an embarrassment
Contact your MPs and file your own information requests!
This has nothing at all and whatsoever to do with ‘the government’, or with Trudeau. The courts are a completely separate branch of government distinct from Parliament.
Agreed it was misleading, when a judge makes the final decision and Runkle (sorry) kinda makes it sound like Trudeau himself was ordering it when in was a lawyer in a cubical somewhere in Ottawa...
Apparently the government withdrew on appeal in January.
So disappointing, perpetrators of crime have more rights than victims despite all the self serving words of those who would speak for the Canadian Justice system. I have always believed that the legal profession and our politicians look down upon the rest of us. There is no compassion or empathy in their eyes.