Rent 2005: A Bad Show Turned Bad Film
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- Опубликовано: 31 янв 2019
- Rent the 2005 movie improves but also worsens a source material already riddled with issues.
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Benny is the ONLY good guy in the entire story. Roger is toxic and so is Maureen. Mimi tries to get other guys to do heroin and also tries to seduce other men despite knowing she has AID's. Joanne is an asshole to Mark just because he's her ex even though SHE DUMPED HIM. Collins grandstands but offers no substantial way to deal with the AID's pandemic and uses his dead lobers name to hotwire an ATM. Angel makes money by killing a dog and laughs about it. Mark is the most insufferable of them all. Ignoring his loving family and the future that others help him get to just so he can be self righteous and make what amounts to a home movie. Benny was at least supportive, reasonable, respectful and you could tell he was always trying to do the right thing.
Naw even Benny sucks. The show and movie starts out with him going back on his promise that his old roommates could live in his building rent free to get them to stop a protest for him, and then locked the building when they refused to.
The more I think about "Rent" the more I realize how hypocritical Gen Xers are with complaining about Millennials. We're all messed up.
The whole "_______ generation is ruining the country" thing needs to die.
@@NotAVampyre Agreed.
This is the first negative review of RENT I’ve enjoyed, mostly because you don’t come from a condescending angle. I personally enjoy the movie despite it’s flaws because it introduced me to the source material, which is in my opinion, pretty. The message I took from it wasn’t that they were necessarily good or bad people, it’s that they’re just people. I think the entire idea behind it was to spend a year in these characters lives, see their love for eachother and see them as humans- flaws and all. Some people criticize it for using AIDs or HIV as a backdrop, but I don’t see it that way, I think the reason it takes a backseat to the story of their bond and love for one another is to simply show that despite some of them living with the virus, it wasn’t like they were any different from anyone else. I think one of the reasons so many LGBT people love this material is because it was one of the first times a huge musical or media adaptation really just humanized the people in it who had AIDs instead of making it all about how awful it is to have it. Anyways, sorry for the novel. But your points are well brought up! You got your message across without being mean or snarky and that really speaks to me as someone genuinely criticizing it instead of trying to tear it apart due to hating the source material. Cheers
Thank you for weighing in!
I think part of my separation from Rent is that it's not my first pro LGBT+ work. I've seen some of the positive points people take away from the show and movie in other forms, so I end up judging subsequent ones on a harder grading scale because just being humanizing of marginalized groups isn't something I'm looking for or need at this point. I kinda want more than that. But, I can't ignore that for a lot of people Rent made them feel seen finally and that they're not alone.
I honestly never got the appeal of RENT. But the movie (as well as Fox's attempt to perform it recently) made me more... turned off...
It's a fun romp and I understand the appeal, but I can't ignore its flaws.
The entire story of Rent is a bunch of people making really bad decisions.
Something that has always bothered me is that Mimi says she's 19. Then, later in the movie (unsure if this is also stated in the stage show) Mimi says how she dated Benny like 2 years ago... has anyone else noticed this???
Oh, I don't think I noticed that because in the musical it was something like 3 months ago! That's an interesting change, though I bet the people working on it weren't considering how old she was 2 years ago
Weeeeell, the age of consent in New York is 17, but you're right, it's sketchy...
@@gozerthegozarian9500Even if legal, that doesn't necessarily mean socially acceptable.
I recently watched this movie without having watched the original musical and I hated it.
The characters are annoying and unlikeable, the plot is all over the place, and the overall structure was horrible.
The songs were, at best, as forgettable as sitting in a classroom all day, and at worst, as unbearable as scratching a chalkboard with fingernails.
I'll check out the 2008 recording soon but I'm not getting my hopes up.
Yeah, that matches my experience trying to watch this movie before experiencing the stage show
Didn't they kill there landlord dog
Angel did. Didn't know it was Benny's do though. Angel was commissioned to do it by a neighbor of Benny's
I've never clicked so fast...Anyway, the one thing I never got is why is Joanne so snarky with Mark. Yeah, he's a jerk, but it's not like he was the one wrecking her and Maureen's relationship. It's like in "Friends" with the wife of Ross's ex. She had always ticked me off as SHE was the homewrecker yet treated Ross like crud.
I can understand why she's snarky. It's her gf's ex. The ex that her gf called because Joann herself couldn't fix something. Just knowing that your partner is still talking to their previous lover is uncomfortable and makes you wonder, especially if you're doubting your own relationship. Mark was also being snarky with Joann, so the feelings were mutual.
NotAVampyre Good point. When you think about it this is all Maureen's fault. Her relationships are just outright toxic.
Very very much so. She is terribly selfish and immature.
@@NotAVampyre Really makes one wonder what Mark and Joanna even see in her. And does Joanna have AIDS too? What's gonna happen when she dies? Maureen's gonna live to regret taking her for granted when its too late.
Rent was never a bad show but the movie is ok
Why do you say that?
It was never a bad Broadway show by anyone standards in fact its identified as one of the greatest.
I asking why you don't think it's a bad show. What others say means little
@@NotAVampyre well the title of your video conveys that it is universally known that rent is not very good. I think the show is good because it was very mainstream and relatable at the time. Since rent came out in 1996 it came out right after the AIDS epidemic; which had started 80s.creator Jonothan Larson (although he didnt have it himself), had many friends with this same disease and so he used as inspiration, so he incorporated Angel who also had AIDS so the show is relatable in that aspect. Jonothan Larson also incorporated music that had emotion and captivated the audience. For example, the song seasons of love, trys to imply that so much is done in a year and it should be measured in love.
The title is reflective of my thoughts on the show and acts as a continuation of the series I did on Rent, the first video being about how much I dislike the musical.
And you're still not really giving me reasons why the musical itself is good. By pointing out how mainstream it used to be, you're only again stating that other people loved it, and the personal lives of the people involved in the production don't matter wheb assessing the work itself.
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Anyways, disregarding the quality of RENT as a stage show and how it transferred to film, I basically resort to the default mindset of "If it's based on/adpated from something else, chances are it will be at least a little inferior." Not that it's always the case, and it's wonderful when it exceeds my expectations, but trasnferring a story from one medium to another does mean that some sacrifices just have to be made, and the trick is to just make sure it doesn't diminish the integrity of the overall product.
But regardless of that, I think the mindset of adapting stage shows to film and the like, is less, "Any major money-making show needs to be a movie to make even MORE money!" (even though I definitely don't rule out the factor that money IS just about always involved), and is more about making the show more accessible to audience who don't live close to any major theatres and can't afford to go to Broadway. But that is just my interpretation.
I didn't watch RENT live, but from what I've been hearing, it was rather lackluster. That in-and-of-itself wasn't what was most disappointing for me. The real disappointing thing was that if it had been succesful, maybe TV broadcasters would be open to doing some live productions that other (more mature-themed) musicals would be fit for (and even by extent, improve upon the mistakes of the more infamous musical film adaptations; The Newsies is an example where it started out as a badly-received film, but became a lot more successful on Broadway, and had a really good live production filmed by Brett Sullivan). Live TV might be less about playing it safe and actually doing something good for shows that deserve it.
I really, really want TV musicals to succeed. But, something I've noticed is that Fox especially has recently been picking up shows that don't agree with their "family values!" policy. WIth Rocky Horror, they made their version so sexless and edgeless you have to wonder why it was chosen in the first place. Grease was okay. Then with Rent all of the swears are removed and the lesbian love moments seem awkward like wanting to be sexy but not wanting to upset the big wigs. It's not like there isn't a plethora of shows that aren't so outwardly trying to be raunchy and address related taboo, but Fox keeps going for them and failing by making shows like Rocky Horror and Rent TV friendly. NBC hasn't had the best track record, but at least they're picking musicals that don't specifically conflict with the status quo of broadcast television.
You also have a point that often the shows with bad movie adaptations are the ones most deserving of remakes, even if it's just live performances. But, like you point out, entertainment always tends towards tried and conventional adaptations over something risky. Except NBC with Hair though. That is an exception to this rule, but not a full deffence of them since they're previously guilty of sticking to the most popular options like Sound of Music and Hairspray
I will always have a soft spot for Rent because it brought us Hamilton but Rent is quite dated and has not aged well. The movie took so long to get made that the musical had already started to tarnish.
At the time I write this comment, I saw a performance of RENT 2 days ago, and it was amazing. I don't see how the movie would be any more enjoyable with these unnecessary changes.
I watched this video last night, and I'm only curious about something u didn't mention in this video. A lot of people feel that Chris Columbus was the wrong choice to direct this film, do u agree or not? BTW, Chris Columbus is best known for directing the 1st 2 Home Alone films, Mrs. Doubtfire, and the 1st 2 Harry Potter films
Honestly I'm not sure. I'm not good at noticing directing styles and critiquing them. I'm inclined to trust others on this since I've heard people I know understand filmmaking criticize his directing style when trying to adapt it for a musical.
@@NotAVampyre Hmm that's a fair point, but do u like the other films he's done, or at least the ones I mentioned?
Now in regards to RENT translating some sung conversations into plain old dialogue, I thought it worked fine, cause when making a movie based on a stage musical, sometimes a conversation that is entirely sung might work on stage, but can seem awkward on film, for example when Mark introduces himself at that meeting/seminar or wherever he was, if he had sung while doing that in the movie, I'd be like, "hmmm should be he really be singing his name like that"? Anyway, I having watched RENT as an adult a couple years ago, I felt I had a better grasp on the story than when I was a kid. I thought they showed enough of Maureen and Joanne's relationship. I also think they made Benny morally ambiguous, at least in the beginning of the movie, cause u saw moments of them getting the feeling Benny really was their friend, especially when Mark and Roger said "Joanne" when Benny asked who Maureen's new "boyfriend" was LOL. Roger and Mimi's back and forth thing worked well enough, I never found it confusing, and the montage of Without You did a good job of explaining why Roger wasn't willing to pursue Mimi at first, even One Song, Glory added some weight to his character. I don't recall Joanne being rude to Mark in the movie tho, I remember them getting along. Then again I've never seen RENT on Broadway
There's an alternate ending to the movie, where they still present Mark's movie on the projector and they're singing the No Day But Today/Without You medley, but it ends where the movie started, with all the main characters on stage singing, including Angel. This ending implies that all the characters were already dead. It's on the DVD, have u seen this ending? U can look it up on RUclips if u haven't
I did absolutely loved the movie but I have seen the show before so that might have influenced it.
You're insightful and retain your hopefulness.
I've found I need to be hopeful otherwise I can't function.
All the tenants in the beginning refuse to pay rent in protest against Benny because he wants to evict the homeless from a nearby lot to build a cyber studio.
A studio in an arts district.
i love it
Holy sht. Autoplay in 2023. Rent is horseshjt. The story here is gold. Please reboot it the right way.
Just finished the movie for my first time. It's not bad but I hated it lmao I can't stand musicals. So many freaking songs 😂 Tango Maureen & the Goodbye Michael song are the only ones I remember. Couldn't follow the lyrics from one to the next, just became forgettable where I couldn't follow any of the movie. Like the guitar guy & Mimi had no relationship buildup, there was barely any focus on them, I thought he was her sponsor 😂 So I had 0 investment in their relationship. Like it felt rushed, where as Angel & Collins had an actual storyline. Plus, how are they gonna pay rent? The ginger is the only one with a job. Is he just gonna be everyone's sugar daddy? & why did they start singing at the end instead of bringing Mimi to a hospital? Like, Angel went to the hospital... He could afford it somehow & he just played a bucket on the streets. Idk, maybe I missed something but yeah, the endless singing was incredibly distracting 😂 Oh, & I thought it crushed the Oscars, so my expectations were very high, now I just saw it got 0 noms. Now, I feel like I'd have enjoyed it more if I didn't expect so much 😞
This would have been one of my favorite movies wirh these narratives.
the musical is amazing ....the movie is meh
I was almost quite literally raised on Broadway, (in more way than one), and my mother saw this upon its opening and said it was one of the worst Broadway shows she’s ever seen. She said that with the exception of Idina Menzel that the entire production was painfully amateur and that no one could project or enunciate properly. Also, I’m Roma and adopted from Europe and I don’t appreciate the endless Antiziganism in this show.
Antizigansim? I don't know if I've heard the term before, so I'm curious.
I respect your opinion, but personally I liked the movie and still do!
I don't want to offend you but some of the things you said, for example asking why roger was mad at Mimi is actually something explainabke . NO HATE
Rent is not bad. Live is not bad. Movie is not bad. Your opinion is bad if you think it's bad. Dont @ me.
"Your opinion is bad if it disagrees with mine"- you
@@NotAVampyre yes, that is exactly what I am saying. 🤣😭 I wrote this comment while I was drunk and binge watching your degrassi videos I obviously need help
I hate this vid, some people love rent, like me, if you have an opinion keep it to yourself,
1. They are bohemians
2.benny’s roommates are mark and Maureen
3. It’s take me or leave me not take me for who I am
4.you can see angel wave at mimi after “rent”
5.if you don’t like rent don’t make a big deal of it
6. If you don’t like Adam pascal don’t hate on him, he is a great singer
7.because they are bohemians
8.i don’t like you as much as you don’t like this movie
I mean, you didn't have to watch the video. You like rent, I don't. Why should I not share my opinion and yet it's fine if you do it?
Like, chill out dude. I don't care if you like rent or hate me for not liking it. I'm just explaining why I came to the conclusion I'm at for people who want to hear it.
Loki Poki, “If you don’t like this video, then don’t make a big deal out of it.” 🤣