I have 5 MK3S+’es. 3 of them bought used, after the release of the MK4. It does not matter if a full build plate finished in 4 or 7 hours, if I am at work or sleeping for 8 hours.
I think their next core x-y printer equivalent to the MK4 would be based on the AFS printer with the Z a bit taller than the AFS and probably / hopefully with an integrated enclosure. It'll have the MK4S screen as they have started injection molding it. Should probably launch in the next 6-8 months I feel if they have to catch up with other brands and be relevant in this market.
My prediction for the successor to the Mk4 would be a smaller version of the XL, as already used in the AFS, but complete with housing, but unlike the XL with only one print head. And I'm hoping for a Prusa Mini Mk2. Personally, I don't think the i3 design is obsolete. Even Bambu Lab, who have the slogan “No more bedslingers” still on their homepage, have released two bedslingers, namely the A1 and the A1 Mini.
I think Prusa will sleep for a while now. They got their different price point covered, and their printers are stable. I would love to see a MMU with 14 colors, or an IDEX from Prusa.
There was an MMU1 -> MMU2 upgrade kit. I received one for free from Prusa and I think they sent the upgrade kit to everybody who pre-ordered the MMU1. It didn't keep much from the MMU1 though only the motors and there was one motor left over (MMU1 had 4 but the MMU2 only needed 3).
I purchased the OG prusa mk2 just as it was released, it was a great deal because the print was better then a printer 2x-3x the cost. The mk3 was a great upgrade brining in the best QoL changes (removable bed/silent stepping). Unfortunately the mk4 is an outdated bedslinger design and the XL seems to be going after the same market that MakerBot failed in the we 2000s. I still wish Prusa nothing but the best but I do feel that they are now longer the best bang for the buck for new users and at the same time they have lost the mod/experiment community.
Bambu came out in 2022, not 2023, and disrupted the market. Prusa was hit hard by that release. I do think Prusa needs a CoreXY that isn't as expensive as the XL, maybe IDEX. If you look at the RatRig V-Core 4, that's where things should be. That said, because they are reliable printers, I'm upgrading my MK3S+ to an MK3.5, and also ordered an MK4S while I wait to see the reliability of the new RatRig and Voron's next release/update.
@@andreas.grundler Yeah, trust me its worth it, but autumn will be better because of the tourists everywhere. I live one hour behind Prague in Czech republic. And damn, love this country
mmu2 with filament cutter?????? I think that is a mistake, it was a really problematic product, I think an expensive prototipe at best. The main problem was the uncutted and deformed filament tips...
Just to throw this out there (USA prices): Prusa MK4S + MMU3 + Enclosure (assembled) = $1,660 Prusa MK4S + MMU3 + Enclosure (dis-assembled) = $1,380 Bambu X1C incl. AMS and Enclosure (assembled) = $1,450 Bambu P1S incl. AMS and Enclosure (assembled) = $850 Bambu A1 incl. AMS (assembled, no enclosure) = $490 Consider whether the Prusa price premium is worth it for your situation. Everyone will be different.
For the price of an enclosed mk4 assembled and mmu3(assembly needed) you can have an p1s(assembled)with ams and A1(minor assembly) with ams lite and A1 mini(minor assembly) for around the same price. (850+490+350 = $1690) 12-24(with ams expansion) colors vs 5, much larger build volume and more capabilities(coreXY and bedslinger) at scale.
on the other hand, you can ditch the enclosure for the prusa, as it is quite pricey and really not needed appart from very specific cases (i see many people on bambu printers printing without the top cover, and the gate open...), and the price difference is not quite the same. As for the AMS, bambu clearly have the way cheaper option. All in all, the prusa are more expensive, but not as much as your comment make it seem. For me it is still a no brainer : i want a printer that is super reliable, prints high quality, and is reasonably fast, while beeing silent. So there are few options like the prusa. I considered the bambu at some point, but was turned off by the cloud stuff, the closed nature of the printer (my mK2.5s had an issue with a nozzle at some point, well i bought an extruder kit from e3d and it is still on.) I heard that the bambu printers are quite noisy, so that's another issue for me. In the end, i would be able to compromise on some aspects if it were not fore the entirely proprierary nature of the bambu machines. If i ever need a super fast printer, at the cost of noise, my goto is currently the vorons. I know they are way more work to build, so it won't suit people that want a plug and play machine, but they are super fast and infinitely reparable. As for prusa for cheaper; there are nice quality clone by sovol that are way cheaper than prusa, and at least on par with the MK3 from what i'v seen. But i do agree that they need to find a way to keep this quality but at a lower price, like 100 or 200$ less.
@@AudreyRobinel If you ditch the enclosure then you can get an A1 with ams lite or $490 vs the assembled mk4 with mmu3 for $1370 That is 3 Bambu A1 for the same price as a single(assembled) mk4 with mmu3 which you still have to assemble. Love, hate or be indifferent to them the Bambu machines are hard to beat at any price point for what they do. They are machines that work out of the box with zero tinkering, little assembly, print fantastically and a good value. And since we are in 2024 and this misinfo has persisted since 2022, you can run any bambu printer offline with SD, lan only and even ftp, the cloud is a nice addition but not the only condition to run them. And your example isnt of Open source. I too can buy a knock off parts place it on a BL printer but the first party parts prices are better than the knockoffs.... And lastly I could name at least 20 things that is proprietary/not open source, you may interact with, but I doubt you have the same response. Microwave, stove, washing machine, dryer, cell phone, computer, tv, car, smart watch, wireless ear buds, internet things, smart home things, apps on your phone, regular printer ....etc
@@No0o0o0o0o0 or just compare the printers? without plenty of added stuff that most people don't use? Again it is not the same price, but not as far as you make it sound, for different products. I am not saying bambulabs are not well priced, but that prusas are not as expensive as you try to make it sound. About open source and all; well you may not care about open source, but i do. I can't have an open source microwave, but i can have an open source printer. And the most important part is that whatever break on my prusa, i can change it, swap if for something else. If the firmware is unhappy with it, i can change the firmware and add whatever i want. You can't do that with bambu. You can only swap for parts that are drop in replacements. You do as you want, but i want this on my printers. I want this on my computer if possible, but barring that, i'll get what is as close as possible : a framework laptop. if i could buy motherboards with coreboot, i would. My router in my home is OpnSense, free software. My NASes are TrueNAS and OpenMediavault. My app server is a debian (free software) VM running on proxmox (free software), and hosting docker files (free software). My OS is Linux (free Software). I can't buy an open source car, but i can at least buy one that is not super proprierary, without right to repair. So i won't buy a tesla for instance. Even if bambu stays closed source, they are actively preventing any modification from the user. it's a good thing that they dropped the clound thing, if i listen to what you say, and if so, it makes it a potential viable option. Anyways you do as you want, you don't seem to care about open source, open hardware, etc. But i am a computer scientist by trade, and i do care. I have a lot of open hardware devices at my house. And my IOT is also full local, full open source software (home assistant). perhaps that you started 3D printing recently, but i started around a decade ago, with printrbot. If their machines were not open as they were, my printrbot would be long dead. However, it stuck with me for a long time. And i can still make it work if needed. My CNC is opensource and open hardware. My Aquariums are run by open hardware and open source software. My soldering iron is open source too (pinecil). It. Matters. To. Me. Now coming back to the printers, well the printrbot lasted a pretty long time, and was still very good at printing flexibles. I have had a MK2, now MK2.5S and it proved it's reliability, and again support was top notch every time i had a question. I doubt the same can be said for bambus. That being said, if as you say, they remove the cloud bullshit, and if i can use whatever slicer i want, they can be an option again. For me they are simply killing creality like printers with the A1, but by the time i reach the X1/X1C/P1S, i may as well go for the MK4. I get that they are more expensive, but well, if i'm in for 800, i may as well be in for 1000 and have the most reliable printer. I will be going for the kit, so the prices are even closer. But i don't say they don't have a place, if you want the fastest printer for the lowest amount of money, they are probably the go to out of diy kits. But you sacrifice stuff for this. it may not matter to you, but it matters to others. And what matter to me may not be relevant for you, i get it. Anyways, have fun doing what you are doing, as long as you are happy with the bambu, that's fine! On the other hand, i'm happy with a bit slower but more reliable, and repairable/open source and silent.
It had an extremely rocky start and was borderline unusable at launch. However, everything changed when they added input shaping to it. My unit has done around 25k toolhead swaps and it's only crashed once.
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I want a prusa xl mini, about the size of the mk4 with 2 or 3 nozzles
just 2 nozzle is perfectly adequate for scratching most of my multimaterial need
I want a 300mm3 xl mini. They should just come out with a whole prusa core xy family of sizes
I want the Prusa XL to get all the updates that the 4S got.
I have 5 MK3S+’es. 3 of them bought used, after the release of the MK4.
It does not matter if a full build plate finished in 4 or 7 hours, if I am at work or sleeping for 8 hours.
I think their next core x-y printer equivalent to the MK4 would be based on the AFS printer with the Z a bit taller than the AFS and probably / hopefully with an integrated enclosure. It'll have the MK4S screen as they have started injection molding it. Should probably launch in the next 6-8 months I feel if they have to catch up with other brands and be relevant in this market.
Definitely want to see a more normal sized core-x-y printer!
My prediction for the successor to the Mk4 would be a smaller version of the XL, as already used in the AFS, but complete with housing, but unlike the XL with only one print head. And I'm hoping for a Prusa Mini Mk2.
Personally, I don't think the i3 design is obsolete. Even Bambu Lab, who have the slogan “No more bedslingers” still on their homepage, have released two bedslingers, namely the A1 and the A1 Mini.
I think Prusa will sleep for a while now. They got their different price point covered, and their printers are stable.
I would love to see a MMU with 14 colors, or an IDEX from Prusa.
This was super cool as a complete casual wanting to learn about the history of Prusa!
There was an MMU1 -> MMU2 upgrade kit. I received one for free from Prusa and I think they sent the upgrade kit to everybody who pre-ordered the MMU1. It didn't keep much from the MMU1 though only the motors and there was one motor left over (MMU1 had 4 but the MMU2 only needed 3).
Thank you for the correction and leaving a comment! :)
Prusa MINI 2 !!!!
Grab yourself a bond tech extrude and an E3D Reno hot-end and you're gonna have a beast of a machine. No need to wait!
I purchased the OG prusa mk2 just as it was released, it was a great deal because the print was better then a printer 2x-3x the cost. The mk3 was a great upgrade brining in the best QoL changes (removable bed/silent stepping).
Unfortunately the mk4 is an outdated bedslinger design and the XL seems to be going after the same market that MakerBot failed in the we 2000s.
I still wish Prusa nothing but the best but I do feel that they are now longer the best bang for the buck for new users and at the same time they have lost the mod/experiment community.
Really hoping they release a "regular" sized enclosed CoreXY like a shrunken XL/taller AFS with dual extruders or 2-3 toolheads
Bambu came out in 2022, not 2023, and disrupted the market. Prusa was hit hard by that release.
I do think Prusa needs a CoreXY that isn't as expensive as the XL, maybe IDEX. If you look at the RatRig V-Core 4, that's where things should be.
That said, because they are reliable printers, I'm upgrading my MK3S+ to an MK3.5, and also ordered an MK4S while I wait to see the reliability of the new RatRig and Voron's next release/update.
XL S Upgrade please ❤
The Prusa was my first 3d printer 🤠
I've met him, its local company. Czech republic
I live in Germany near the Czech border. A trip to Prague would only take 3 hours by car. A beautiful city for a day trip.
@@andreas.grundler Yeah, trust me its worth it, but autumn will be better because of the tourists everywhere. I live one hour behind Prague in Czech republic. And damn, love this country
I have a friend that still has a mendel i1 or i2
Now imagine creality
That'd be a new record for the longest video on RUclips, I'm sure.
I absolutely died when I heard the price of the afs...
It's an enterprise print farm with automatic printbed loading/swapping so they're gonna charge enterprise prices ig 😂
@@4473021 not a bad point BUT HOLY HECK
What music do you use in your videos?
mmu2 with filament cutter?????? I think that is a mistake, it was a really problematic product, I think an expensive prototipe at best. The main problem was the uncutted and deformed filament tips...
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Just to throw this out there (USA prices):
Prusa MK4S + MMU3 + Enclosure (assembled) = $1,660
Prusa MK4S + MMU3 + Enclosure (dis-assembled) = $1,380
Bambu X1C incl. AMS and Enclosure (assembled) = $1,450
Bambu P1S incl. AMS and Enclosure (assembled) = $850
Bambu A1 incl. AMS (assembled, no enclosure) = $490
Consider whether the Prusa price premium is worth it for your situation. Everyone will be different.
For the price of an enclosed mk4 assembled and mmu3(assembly needed) you can have an p1s(assembled)with ams and A1(minor assembly) with ams lite and A1 mini(minor assembly) for around the same price. (850+490+350 = $1690)
12-24(with ams expansion) colors vs 5, much larger build volume and more capabilities(coreXY and bedslinger) at scale.
@@No0o0o0o0o0 bingo.
on the other hand, you can ditch the enclosure for the prusa, as it is quite pricey and really not needed appart from very specific cases (i see many people on bambu printers printing without the top cover, and the gate open...), and the price difference is not quite the same. As for the AMS, bambu clearly have the way cheaper option.
All in all, the prusa are more expensive, but not as much as your comment make it seem. For me it is still a no brainer : i want a printer that is super reliable, prints high quality, and is reasonably fast, while beeing silent. So there are few options like the prusa. I considered the bambu at some point, but was turned off by the cloud stuff, the closed nature of the printer (my mK2.5s had an issue with a nozzle at some point, well i bought an extruder kit from e3d and it is still on.)
I heard that the bambu printers are quite noisy, so that's another issue for me. In the end, i would be able to compromise on some aspects if it were not fore the entirely proprierary nature of the bambu machines. If i ever need a super fast printer, at the cost of noise, my goto is currently the vorons. I know they are way more work to build, so it won't suit people that want a plug and play machine, but they are super fast and infinitely reparable.
As for prusa for cheaper; there are nice quality clone by sovol that are way cheaper than prusa, and at least on par with the MK3 from what i'v seen.
But i do agree that they need to find a way to keep this quality but at a lower price, like 100 or 200$ less.
@@AudreyRobinel If you ditch the enclosure then you can get an A1 with ams lite or $490 vs the assembled mk4 with mmu3 for $1370
That is 3 Bambu A1 for the same price as a single(assembled) mk4 with mmu3 which you still have to assemble.
Love, hate or be indifferent to them the Bambu machines are hard to beat at any price point for what they do.
They are machines that work out of the box with zero tinkering, little assembly, print fantastically and a good value.
And since we are in 2024 and this misinfo has persisted since 2022, you can run any bambu printer offline with SD, lan only and even ftp, the cloud is a nice addition but not the only condition to run them.
And your example isnt of Open source. I too can buy a knock off parts place it on a BL printer but the first party parts prices are better than the knockoffs....
And lastly I could name at least 20 things that is proprietary/not open source, you may interact with, but I doubt you have the same response.
Microwave, stove, washing machine, dryer, cell phone, computer, tv, car, smart watch, wireless ear buds, internet things, smart home things, apps on your phone, regular printer ....etc
@@No0o0o0o0o0
or just compare the printers? without plenty of added stuff that most people don't use?
Again it is not the same price, but not as far as you make it sound, for different products.
I am not saying bambulabs are not well priced, but that prusas are not as expensive as you try to make it sound.
About open source and all; well you may not care about open source, but i do.
I can't have an open source microwave, but i can have an open source printer. And the most important part is that whatever break on my prusa, i can change it, swap if for something else. If the firmware is unhappy with it, i can change the firmware and add whatever i want. You can't do that with bambu. You can only swap for parts that are drop in replacements.
You do as you want, but i want this on my printers. I want this on my computer if possible, but barring that, i'll get what is as close as possible : a framework laptop.
if i could buy motherboards with coreboot, i would. My router in my home is OpnSense, free software. My NASes are TrueNAS and OpenMediavault. My app server is a debian (free software) VM running on proxmox (free software), and hosting docker files (free software). My OS is Linux (free Software).
I can't buy an open source car, but i can at least buy one that is not super proprierary, without right to repair. So i won't buy a tesla for instance.
Even if bambu stays closed source, they are actively preventing any modification from the user.
it's a good thing that they dropped the clound thing, if i listen to what you say, and if so, it makes it a potential viable option.
Anyways you do as you want, you don't seem to care about open source, open hardware, etc. But i am a computer scientist by trade, and i do care. I have a lot of open hardware devices at my house. And my IOT is also full local, full open source software (home assistant).
perhaps that you started 3D printing recently, but i started around a decade ago, with printrbot. If their machines were not open as they were, my printrbot would be long dead. However, it stuck with me for a long time. And i can still make it work if needed.
My CNC is opensource and open hardware.
My Aquariums are run by open hardware and open source software.
My soldering iron is open source too (pinecil).
It. Matters. To. Me.
Now coming back to the printers, well the printrbot lasted a pretty long time, and was still very good at printing flexibles.
I have had a MK2, now MK2.5S and it proved it's reliability, and again support was top notch every time i had a question. I doubt the same can be said for bambus.
That being said, if as you say, they remove the cloud bullshit, and if i can use whatever slicer i want, they can be an option again.
For me they are simply killing creality like printers with the A1, but by the time i reach the X1/X1C/P1S, i may as well go for the MK4.
I get that they are more expensive, but well, if i'm in for 800, i may as well be in for 1000 and have the most reliable printer. I will be going for the kit, so the prices are even closer.
But i don't say they don't have a place, if you want the fastest printer for the lowest amount of money, they are probably the go to out of diy kits. But you sacrifice stuff for this. it may not matter to you, but it matters to others.
And what matter to me may not be relevant for you, i get it.
Anyways, have fun doing what you are doing, as long as you are happy with the bambu, that's fine!
On the other hand, i'm happy with a bit slower but more reliable, and repairable/open source and silent.
letsssssss gooooo
mk4 is not i3
Is the XL really S tier?
Why not ?
@@michawasiljew6620 There has been quite a few issues since launch and a lot of issues still persist.
It had an extremely rocky start and was borderline unusable at launch. However, everything changed when they added input shaping to it. My unit has done around 25k toolhead swaps and it's only crashed once.
Name a competitor in a similar price range. They're currently the only game in town. Now companies will start copying.
Yes I own one and it's awesome
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Are you on the run? Really annoying!
huh?
Overpriced regardless of anything waaaaay overpriced and people pay
this is just your personal opinion