This is low level post Japanese karate. When the punch and the hip move together with hips open at impact. High level is older and the hips close the movement at impact.
yes, this is completely plausible. Please seek at Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu practitioners derived from Horikawa Kodo line. or Aunkai's Minoru Akuzawa, they will have interesting bodyfeel which I doubt you have experienced
@@KarateDojowaKu He discusses how most people lead with their bodies before the punch and (from my experience while sparring) you watch the hip rotation to "guess" where the next attack will be coming from. With both the Okinawan and Micheals technique, the rotation is the last step in the process. So the arm and fist move and the inertia rotates the hip. Search: Michael Jai white punching technique. BTW My son and I love all your content.
@@KarateDojowaKu It’s a video where Michael Jai White was training Kimbo Slice. He was telling Kimbo to “go straight”. He described it as a car without Brake Lights.
Thanks for watching my videos! I think Kikuno sensei also mentioned that he isn't thinking about rotating the hip. Very different from Shotokan.@@BoYcLuE
Georges St-Pierre has always been adamant about the fact that he's a karate practitioner and he's widely recognized as one of the best MMA fighters in history.
@@koso.research16 It seems like a combination of everything. As far as I know, our souke, Matsuzaki Horyu Sensei, is a student of Ueshima Sannosuke Sensei. Ueshima Sensei founded the Kushin Ryuu school in 1932, which was a combination of Okinawan karate, Shaolin kung fu, and Konshinryuu Juhojutsu and joined the Dainippon Butokukai before the organization was disbanded after World War 2. The second Souke of Kushin Ryuu, Matsuzaki Sensei, came to Indonesia and founded the Indonesian Kushin Ryu karate-do (KKI) school. We studied Katas from Shuri Te, such as Pinan 1-5, Naifuanchen 1-3, Passai, Matsumura passai, and Kushanku. Katas from Naha Te such as Sanchin, Seieichin, and Rokkisu. Katas from Tomari Te such as Chintou, Wankan/Nankan, Wansu/Nansu, Rohai and Motobu Naifuanchi.
Any technique that generates a lot of power but which is also difficult to see is a highly effective technique. This is usually a Karate specialty among all the other martial arts.
@@KarateDojowaKu A strike I mean in this case. If you can land it without the enemy being able to defend against it and cause maximum damage with it I'd call that an effective striking technique. Wouldn't you...?
Interesting you bring that up. I watch a fair amount of boxing and muay thai. Most of the time it's not a power punch that knocks someone out. It's a well timed punch that catches someone off guard. There's something about being prepared to take a hit or deflecting a blow versus getting essentially sucker punched. I wonder if the brain and body have some type of subtle defense mechanism they implement to prevent 'lights out'. I wonder if that defense mechanism just can't be on at all times and frequently has to shut down to rest (and has to shut down more frequently as a fight goes on?). Hitting someone with a semi powerful punch that is accurate and unexpected is more powerful then a power punch that hits a prepared target or glances off a prepared target. If you think about it that's how all the greats get finally knocked out. The person they are fighting just catches them at the right time and lights out.
That is exactly what our Sensei explains us about the power generation and tension. Any move he makes (no matter how fast) feels like a piece of concrete is striking you. Amazing!
Hi Yusuke! I just wanted to let you know that I am a double black belt Karate Sensei and I love your channel content. You not only demonstrate awesome Karate techniques which have helped me improve, but you also share amazing theroy and history behind Karate which is so entertaining to watch! I am also a Karate Sensei with a youtube channel where you were one of my inspirations so thank you so much for that! I also subscribed to your channel!! OSS, Arigato!
@@KarateDojowaKu Oh sorry, took me a while to see the response. No, I don't practice Karate, I kinda want to, though. I practice Aikido but I love traditional martial arts in general, there's so much to learn and try!
I've seen what he was talking about with throwing the punch, then the body follows, throwing the opponent off. My taekwondo instructor's son discovered he had a lot of success with a backfist that did this during sparring, but at the time, he was still figuring out why it worked. Now, watching this video, I understand better.
There are quite a few MMA guys with a Karate background who have integrated those skills into a mixed form, but the three that come to mind who had a very clear Karate style in the ring were. GSP is a kyokushin guy, third degree I believe, and very much tries to embody the conduct of a karate-ka. Stephen Thompson - kempo guy, and notably used a lot of Yoko-geri strikes to good effect, something you don't often see in the MMA ring. Lyoto Machida of course is a prominent Shotokan practitioner, though that has transformed into "Machida Karate", and his gyaku-zuki usage is clear as day, especially used as a counter against an advancing opponent. He also famously took down Randy Couture with a Tobi Geri that sent one of his teeth flying across the ring. The Tobi Geri was immediately referred to as the Crane Kick from Karate kid, because ... naturally. My MMA knowledge is like 10 years out of date though, so I'm sure there will be more recent examples.
@@KarateDojowaKu I practiced Shotokan at a Dojo for several years when I was younger before moving, then really just maintained kihon and kata on my own to keep the exercise benefits. I don't compete, and haven't been involved in any form of kumite for years. So I guess the answer's as much a 'no' as it is a 'yes. 😁 Kikuno sensei's certainly interesting to watch. You can really see a lot of his karate in the ring, and that's always nice to see.
as someone who belongs to a dojo that switched from karate to krav maga and kick boxing for more street self defense, this really helped me understand that the transition not only makes sense, but that the foundation of karate can also work so much in our favor. I feel very lucky that my karate Sensei is the one teaching these new styles to us because I know he has a solid foundation behind his techniques. as his students we have caught on to mma quickly, so he's kind of lucky too. beautiful and informative video, Sensei!
I still can't believe that you brought him and explained his technique in english. I don't know what to say to thank you haha. Please, can you demonstrate the rigth way to execute the naihanchi to get this kind of punch? And, if it is possible, could you ask him to explain a little bit more detailed the aspects of this punch? I watched this video at least 5 times and still don't get the main aspects of the technique... Thanks a lot
I suggest you to check out Watanabe Shinji he is a Kudo Shihan with a youtube channel dedicated to explain this kind of tecnique and the relationship between Kata and actual fights. He is 61 and still a competitor in Kudo in the adult division (not senior) thanks to Kata✌🏻
This is at the heart of the misunderstood and much maligned internal Chinese arts. Especially those of Hsing-i, BaJi and Ba Qua. The hand moves before as the body follows behind. This is most important for those of us who, despite all efforts to the contrary, have aged. Great video and I await the next installments.
@@KarateDojowaKu I have some but only in the basics. Finding teachers who have a deep understanding is very difficult. May I recommend this instructor, if you are ever able to go back to Okinawa, is Kiyoshi Arakaki of Muso Kai. His karate has many of these principles that we are discussing and his art is centered on the kata Naihanchi. Really enjoy your channel
Naihanchi was also the preferred kata of Choki Motobu who won a fight in his 50ies against a western boxer and was famous for his real fighting abilitys.
@@KarateDojowaKu Because you are a wonderful person and you also know how to reach the recipient of the information. Also, you had published videos about Jeet Kune Do and I liked it, so I wanted to meet Togo Ishii in order to exchange knowledge. Thank you very much. I like the way you create videos. You are creative.
Very interesting explanation, and definetely useful skill… it would be very cool to know, how he had practised this (what were the minor goals to get the whole technique working) I love these videos… thanks for sharing!
Segal is a bit of a mystery man, but it is know that in addition to his Aikido he also learnt either kung fu or karate, possibly both which actually would have been in the spirit of the original Aikido as you had to be a black belt in another art to be trained by the founder.
I trained Shuri-Ryu Karate' many years ago (Nearly 59 now) and I kept training some for decades as I moved around (no Shuri-Ryu schools when I was in the Air Force where I was). I am slowly getting back into Karate and love your channel and your videos. They inspire me. I trained under the late Hanshi Ridgely Abele, Ph.D. back-in-the-day, who was a direct student of Robert Trias at the Hombu Dojo in Phoenix, Arizona. I was a 5th Kyu Green Belt nearly ready for my Brown Belt test back then. So your videos from Okinawa are especially interesting to me. Thanks for all that you do. God bless.🙂
Nice to see you doing videos with japanese martial art youtubers. There are many great ones but we never hear of them in the west because they rarely do videos with English speaking youtubers
Non-telegraphic punches that use body weight means you don't need speed or excessive power. All technique. That is definitely worth learning for self defense.
Is this the idea behind the pushing against the wall technique we practiced in class? I love how you bring these different techniques you learn from others to class! Also, is this how you hurt your shoulder? 😅It was a hell of a punch!
Thanks for the questions! The wall practice is different since you're using your body to push the fist. His technique has the fist pull the body in. The shoulder...it's from something else😂
Does Kikono Sensei punch with the bottom 3 knuckles or the large top 2? My experience is that top two causes much more tension in the upper body and energy gets trapped in the upper body rather than grounding down through the heel. Of course rooting/no pelvic tilt is necessary to ground the energy from lower back to the rear foot heel, but power dispersion starts with where and the punch connects
This description of body connection and relaxed tension while maintaining 'shape' and movement is not as widely known as being part of many martial systems. I often see that it has been lost in translation and so people copy the shape movement without the understanding of what it is meant for. Sensei's comment about the correct level of pressure testing with a partner (pushing on you to check your connection) is equally important in making progress with training this way with this intention. It is not collusion in the way where people have 'lost their way' or do not understand the purpose of the shapes and movement (kata). One big thing in common terminology I wish would change with martial systems is that what is covered in this video: full body connection, whole body moves as one (one thing moves, everything moves) is 'the only technique'. Striking or grappling is an expression of the technique.
My senseis used to say, you don't need a wind up or or the shoulder and hip movement to generate a strong punch. And then they would go around 'gently' pushing or punching the older students ( teens) in the shoulder. The amount of momentum like a great shove,but with their strong fists,it translated into a much more dangerous force. Eerily similar to this. They didn't explain the technique though,or maybe my memory is foggy. The point they were trying to make was,don't waste energy on unnecessary movement and don't telegraph the attack.
I would want to do some serious Uechi Ryu conditioning before he hit me to get my body used to being pommeled to that degree. I hate when people say that ANY martial art won't "work" in MMA when, in truth, I think they mean that a "kata" won't work in an MMA fight. Any martial art technique, when applied, doesn't usually look like the kata to an untrained eye. Even Mike Tyson's punching came from similar techniques and he was one of the hardest hitters in boxing. ALSO, most martial arts are not static systems, they are dynamic and often grow with each fight and each student. MMA is also very limited by it's "rules"...Karate, especially Okinawan styles, were not founded in the principles of "rules in fighting".
@@KarateDojowaKu I practiced Aikido for years in the 90s. This is why I'm so familiar with people talking trash about a particular martial art. I used it myself with great effectiveness working security at nightclubs in Memphis, TN. In many cases, I was able to restrain people without harm to myself OR the aggressor...and in those cases, the aggressors are often Customers as well. This is why, when people started trashing it, I knew they were just speaking from a place of ignorance. The same can be said for people who would say that Karate is no good for MMA...many of them simply lack knowledge and understanding.
The last strike you received he used a vertical fist(my favourite). I’ve been studying Uechi-Ryu for 40 years, and although we use a similar concept this video explained it perfectly. Great job and I felt that chest shot here in Canada! Ouch!
@@rolandgdean Drunks in the bar aren't pro fighters though. That's what people mean when they say it doesn't work. Most people anyway. And even if it could work many of its techniques aren't allowed in mma, so we've got a case where underground fights have shown it doesn't work against experienced boxer/wrestlers, and in the UFC even if they had a chance they couldn't use their techniques.
Believe me, seeing just how fast you are is enough to prove that Karate training is worth it. Any street bully is going to have trouble just reaching you, so yes. 😊
Is there more info on this!? I am really interested, but I don't think I fully understand the dynamics. I think I mostly understand the drill from Naihanchi, but I would really love to see the concept applied to a whole bunch of different punches as they would be applied in a fight. He says that the hips don't lead (interesting) but the hand does, but then he also says the strength comes from the bodyweight. So, is it that the connected feeling allows the hand to move first and then the body follows along, and when it follows along it provides the force? That would make sense to me, but then his sold punch from naihanchi-dachi wouldn't have been strong, and it clearly was.
"First hand and then body" is some kind, against the "mainstream" where everybody teach to generate the power from hips rotation - the first body and the hand is at the end. "First hand then body" is taken from the fencing. But they don't need power, they only need speed and non-telegraphing attack. Bruce Lee used it if he want to reach someone before the opponent was able to block. But, I'm not sure if this wasn't with cost of loosing power. Because when he did some "power punches" he didn't apply this "Hand first then body" technique.
I've always thought Karate to be effective - once you get proficient at it. I think why people say this is that Karate is super technical and it takes time to get good at it to the point that you can apply it in combat ready fashion. An average person would likely be better served with boxing/kickboxing/Muay Thai if they wanted fighting proficiency fast. If you wanted to focus on pure martial ability - Karate would not be my art of choice. That said there are many benefits that come with Karate. Discipline, the reward that comes with mastery ok a skill, the journey itself.
Well it depends on how the individual throws the one-inch punch or a boxers punch, but generally speaking, those two generate the power by pushing the fist out using other body parts. This punch in the video uses the fist to pull the other body part with it.
I would be curious to see if there are Karate Senseis who are knowledgeable about and are skilled at leading hand hook punch techniques. I did Shindo Jinen Karate, which later became Ryobukai. It was a synthesis of all karate styles up until that point, founded by Yasuhiro Konishi. In that style, the leading hand hook is practiced. The rear hand straight punch to the body can be dangerous to throw since the head is exposed to check hooks. The leading hand hook in the Karate style i practiced is much shorter than it is in boxing, making it more non-telegraphic. We usually don't see Karate practitioners talk about hooks.
That may be true but it is the Okinawan Kempo where he actually learned these fighting techniques. To be a good fighter you have to give it your all no matter what art you are studying, just as he has along with a real Master to teach you the correct techniques. Okinawa has plenty of them.
There is no such thing as bad skill or style. There is only a bad fighter. Every style is effective. I trained Shotokan for 30 years, now I train Uechi Ryu.
@@KarateDojowaKu yes. In the video, "I Fought Micheal Jai White" at the 4 minute point he explained , "You can't tell how close something is when it's coming directly at you." That is a very similar lesson. It must be common knowledge, but it still seems a like a secret technique only fighters know.
And Machida made JKA Shotokan work in Pro MMA. His opponents often complained that Machida stood too far away for them to get a decent punch/kick in, which, to me, is laughable. I remember Joe Rogan once saying during the early days of the UFC when the Gracies dominated that karate would never work in MMA. How wrong he was.
What pushes my button from these so called experts that say Karate doesn’t work is there is no context to their claim. Doesn’t work for what? On the street, in the ring, a refereed Brazilian Jujitsu match or a game of Canasta? Karate will work for all above listed things. It depends on what part of the discipline of Karate is used, to fit the circumstances you face. OSS!
Well it’s half right. Karate does and does not work depending on how you train, what you are training for, what your intentions are in the dojo. For example if you only go to Karate classes for fun exercise and to socialise with friends, that’s fine but do yourself a favour and do not lie to yourself about being able to properly defend yourself either in a professional bout or in the outside world. If however, you train a style like Kyokushin or at the very least, adopt the Kyokushin method toward your training and I would say yes, turn your whole body into a weapon and it will in turn take care of you. For example a Kyokushin 1st Dan would probably fare better in a Street fight than your average Karate practitioner.
@@amazed2341 But if you ask him he got much more powerful after understanding karate as taught in Okinawa. Kushin dies not teach you the same understanding as okinawan Kempo, it's basically brawling without really understanding the technique from Kata and how it is used.
@@amazed2341 I've been around martial arts long enough to know about your style from Mas Oyama What was and is being taught. It certainly does not go into the debt of Okinawan techniques.
I'm not sure if; a) I'm being stupid and just don't understand b) everyone else is stupid and this has been taught as basic technique to me since brown belt 20 years ago I've no idea how this isn't common knowledge and practice? Either I was doing this with my instructor by fluke or this has been drilled into me for over 20 years and just seems basic now
@KarateDojowaKu I've always studied shotokan (the style is very much loosely shotokan rather than the traditional 5 kihon, 5 juiipon kumite sets) which I did until brown belt and went back to at 1st Dan until 2nd Dan, application certainly since I've been an instructor is always prioritised (at a suitable grade) over just doing the movement and learning. When your in the UK I'd be interested in discussing this further
Maybe it's just me, but I don't quite understand the obsession with MMA. MMA is a sport and that is different than learning how to defend yourself on the street or in a life/death scenario. If you practice a throat strike 10,000 times, you're going to have that muscle memory and react that way. If you cant breath, you cant fight.
MMA said they're deadly than Others because they knew how to fight, what funny thing is here in Malaysia and Indonesia, we were teached silat to hit organ for example eyes, nose, neck, heart, liver, kidney and groin. Silat olahraga (sport) they saw cant do that because its Just for scoring point to win not to defeat enemy. There's many variation of silat, in indonesia, they got more than 100 styles. While here in Malaysia, we only have 30. I would said the raid movies using silat harimau (Tiger) but the main actor learn silat betawi and silat tiga berantai when he grew up. Here in Malaysia, our Police force learned silat gayung which is nice combination of striking and grappling but there's 1 silat style were created to fight against siammese invasion called silat cekak hanafi. You guys know that Thailand were never invaded by West colonialism because Thailand is not strategic, thai knew so they changed their country using european military system and bought a lot of weapon from West. Meanwhile here in Malaysia, we are too seperated because each place here in Malaysia have their own kingdom. They were split after Malacca empire fell.
You can all deny it but the fact is Karate doesn't work. The traditional kihon, katas, and kumite dont work. Period. You can train them for years and they will not work in a fight. There are quite a few Karateka who transitioned to pro MMA, they did that by learning kickboxing and wrestling and by using THAT as a base they maybe could incorporate a few Karate moves or concepts. But the CORE moves they are using are from combat sports, the CORE training methods of traditional karate don't come up. Saying Karate works in a fight is like saying soccer works in a fight because some soccer player became an MMA fighter and was able modify his soccer kick for leg kicks.
Kickboxing whether Japanese/Oriental, Dutch or American are competition rule sets that are derivatives of Karate. I grew up Kickboxing ISKA and trained at three different styles of Karate that all competed ISKA. One taught Goju Ryu Kenkyukai, another Tiger Schulmann Kyokushin, & another Seidokaikan. Kihon, Kata, Kumite, Kakie & Kickboxing were used in syllabus for promotion.
This is the clip of Michael Jai White demonstrating the no telegraphed punch. This clip you posted is excellent. Kikuno Sensei I believe is describing taking the slack out of the faccia in order to have an elastic connected body. This is not dissimilar from the pile standing done in internal Chinese martial arts. Once the connection is established and felt it can be called upon and established in a quick manner without an exaggerated posture that was necessary to achieve it. Great video! ruclips.net/video/wdPP0TmqKiU/видео.htmlfeature=shared
Sure, you can find a couple of examples of talented people with karate backgrounds winning in MMA, but I can show you multitudes of wrestlers and boxers that do amazing in it. Karate sucks.
Part of it is self selecting, especially until recently. Not many nerds go into boxing or wrestling. I can't speak for wrestling, but boxing is incredibly hard, the training alone is orders of magnitude harder than any I got in karate or tkd. Most weak people are not going to last long and they would not want to get punched in the face. When you make karate into a full contact sport with no limits except for stupid things like groin shots or kicks to the spine you could have a good art. The problem with Japanese karate is most of it is watered down. It only became popular throughout Japan in the 1900s after they saw a heavyweight boxing match that was widely shown in cinemas (prewar). They didn't have a lot of boxers to teach them but they did have some Okinawans. There were a number or reasons it got watered down. One was Okinawan karate was never intended to be taught to large groups. It also had weight training and grappling. Some of the instructors didn't want the Japanese "knowing too much" but the main reason is the most popular guy felt he could teach large groups and mostly eliminate grappling and a few other techniques and get just as good results for the average person. He had some pushback, but the other guy was less popular so he won. A Korean Japanese who took the name Mas Oyama took the watered down Karate and made it a harder style designed for actual fighters, not university students. His students would often beat the Thais in Thailand, although the Thais did adapt to some of the techniques they were unused to over time.
@@D.D.-ud9zt I agree that Mas Oyama knew that karate was mostly useless and created Kyushin in the late 60's to address the issue. Also, Japan invaded and occupied Okinawa for 300 years, they didn't give two craps about Okinawan karate during that occupation.
@@KarateDojowaKu Right. Like the part where he punched you in the chest with virtually minimum effort but like you said, "felt like getting hit with a hammer." Michael Jai White compares that type of punch to a construction crane that you see assembling large buildings. The long arm of the crane is of course the arm, but there is a counterweight near the operator's booth; which is short in distance. The crane, when in motion, has the strength to carry a large load and swing all that weight (the power in the punch) while the counterweight (the shoulder stability) is nearly stiff yet mobile. Same thing as Sensei Kukino explained. Adding the twist to the punch increases the punching power and kinda makes the body as one unit that focuses on the target. Hence the powerful blow you've experience (I don't know how you are still talking after that hit, lol). So, it's maximum results, without exhaust one self by using minimum effort.
Not true, you certainly do not understand karate. You seem to be hung up on what techniques look like in Kata and expect them to look the same in fighting. They are the same but a fight is flowing so techniques melt from one to other and do not look so rigid as Kata. You obviously do not understand the Kata Training.
Karate is a martial art, it is an artform first and foremost. There is an aesthetic research in the movements and etiquette. You can use karate to fight, but it is not meant for fighting, it is meant for self defence. The best comparison you can make is comparing karate to a beautifully designed knife instead of comparing it to a combat knife. Its aesthetic is meant to be admired, not it's function. You could use the beautifully designed knife for combat, but it is not meant for combat, it is meant to be appreciated as a piece of art.
You know it takes zero dollars to not type anything. Especially when it's gonna be as incoherent and ignorant as this, people need to start charging you for wasting their time.
No it was originally used for fighting. It was only after it went to Japan from Okinawa that it became just an art, and the fighting got stripped away. Obviously you shouldn't just go out and get in street fights and self-defense is it's primary goal, but to act like it's just some aesthetic thing is to ignore it's history and only look at how certain people have changed it over time.
@@Connman90 For example, kata is a pure aesthetic form. It is the researcher of beauty and perfection in the movements. This is even true in the gohon, sanbon, ipon... kumite. Have you watched the masterclasses of Kanazawa? The aesthetics and etiquette are primordial.
@@Sams.Videos the original intent of Kata was as a way for solo practice of fighting movements. Now it has been changed into interpretive dance for competition.
Do you think his technique is real?
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This is low level post Japanese karate. When the punch and the hip move together with hips open at impact.
High level is older and the hips close the movement at impact.
Do not forget Lyoto Machida....
yes, this is completely plausible. Please seek at Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu practitioners derived from Horikawa Kodo line. or Aunkai's Minoru Akuzawa, they will have interesting bodyfeel which I doubt you have experienced
@@KelvindeWolfeCan you point me to some information or material for reference?
@@mikuspalmis. White crane Tode, Chitoryu and some of the Chen Taijiquan
You know if you say Okinawa the birth place of karate in front of a mirror Jesse will appear
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This reminds me of a punching technique described by Michael Jai White where the punch is direct and offers very little telegraghing.
What technique was he using?
@@KarateDojowaKu He discusses how most people lead with their bodies before the punch and (from my experience while sparring) you watch the hip rotation to "guess" where the next attack will be coming from. With both the Okinawan and Micheals technique, the rotation is the last step in the process. So the arm and fist move and the inertia rotates the hip. Search: Michael Jai white punching technique. BTW My son and I love all your content.
@@KarateDojowaKu It’s a video where Michael Jai White was training Kimbo Slice. He was telling Kimbo to “go straight”. He described it as a car without Brake Lights.
Thanks for watching my videos! I think Kikuno sensei also mentioned that he isn't thinking about rotating the hip. Very different from Shotokan.@@BoYcLuE
I see! Do you happen to have the link for that?@@KUROSHURA
Georges St-Pierre has always been adamant about the fact that he's a karate practitioner and he's widely recognized as one of the best MMA fighters in history.
What do you like about him?
@@KarateDojowaKu He's from my province. He is humble, and super hard working. That's his best qualities.
@@bremexperience He is indeed a true Karateka.
@@bremexperienceamazing!
@@Saku19 Wow, I see
He is not only a great fighter, but also a great teacher. Thank you for this video.
Yes, his explanations were very clear! Do you practice any karate style too?
@@KarateDojowaKu yes, I practice Kushin Ryuu style in Indonesia.
@@nurbaiti_hikaruwhat is kushin-ryu karate? I mean is it shuri-te or naha-te?
@@koso.research16 It seems like a combination of everything. As far as I know, our souke, Matsuzaki Horyu Sensei, is a student of Ueshima Sannosuke Sensei. Ueshima Sensei founded the Kushin Ryuu school in 1932, which was a combination of Okinawan karate, Shaolin kung fu, and Konshinryuu Juhojutsu and joined the Dainippon Butokukai before the organization was disbanded after World War 2. The second Souke of Kushin Ryuu, Matsuzaki Sensei, came to Indonesia and founded the Indonesian Kushin Ryu karate-do (KKI) school. We studied Katas from Shuri Te, such as Pinan 1-5, Naifuanchen 1-3, Passai, Matsumura passai, and Kushanku. Katas from Naha Te such as Sanchin, Seieichin, and Rokkisu. Katas from Tomari Te such as Chintou, Wankan/Nankan, Wansu/Nansu, Rohai and Motobu Naifuanchi.
Any technique that generates a lot of power but which is also difficult to see is a highly effective technique. This is usually a Karate specialty among all the other martial arts.
What do you mean by something being "effective"?
@@KarateDojowaKu A strike I mean in this case. If you can land it without the enemy being able to defend against it and cause maximum damage with it I'd call that an effective striking technique. Wouldn't you...?
Interesting you bring that up. I watch a fair amount of boxing and muay thai. Most of the time it's not a power punch that knocks someone out. It's a well timed punch that catches someone off guard. There's something about being prepared to take a hit or deflecting a blow versus getting essentially sucker punched. I wonder if the brain and body have some type of subtle defense mechanism they implement to prevent 'lights out'. I wonder if that defense mechanism just can't be on at all times and frequently has to shut down to rest (and has to shut down more frequently as a fight goes on?). Hitting someone with a semi powerful punch that is accurate and unexpected is more powerful then a power punch that hits a prepared target or glances off a prepared target. If you think about it that's how all the greats get finally knocked out. The person they are fighting just catches them at the right time and lights out.
That is exactly what our Sensei explains us about the power generation and tension. Any move he makes (no matter how fast) feels like a piece of concrete is striking you. Amazing!
And his chudan mae geri is incredible. Do one for kicks too!! 😃
This is so awesome. Great explanations! I even love to hear the cadence in the Japanese language; never gets old.
Glad you enjoy it! Which was your favorite part?
All the parts where you were getting hit LOL. But really, though, this way I could more clearly see his power^^.@@KarateDojowaKu
Haha, it hurt like crazy!@@lslewis
@@KarateDojowaKu 😄I bet😆
It's good to see this.
Hi Yusuke! I just wanted to let you know that I am a double black belt Karate Sensei and I love your channel content. You not only demonstrate awesome Karate techniques which have helped me improve, but you also share amazing theroy and history behind Karate which is so entertaining to watch! I am also a Karate Sensei with a youtube channel where you were one of my inspirations so thank you so much for that! I also subscribed to your channel!! OSS, Arigato!
Wow! Thanks so much! What karate style do you do?
@@KarateDojowaKu I am a Shotokan Sensei just like you! Oss 🥋
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The background soundtrack reminded me of Bloodsport haha
Thanks for the video, Kikuno sensei is great.
Haha, thanks! Do you practice karate too?
@@KarateDojowaKu Oh sorry, took me a while to see the response.
No, I don't practice Karate, I kinda want to, though. I practice Aikido but I love traditional martial arts in general, there's so much to learn and try!
I've seen what he was talking about with throwing the punch, then the body follows, throwing the opponent off.
My taekwondo instructor's son discovered he had a lot of success with a backfist that did this during sparring, but at the time, he was still figuring out why it worked. Now, watching this video, I understand better.
There are quite a few MMA guys with a Karate background who have integrated those skills into a mixed form, but the three that come to mind who had a very clear Karate style in the ring were.
GSP is a kyokushin guy, third degree I believe, and very much tries to embody the conduct of a karate-ka.
Stephen Thompson - kempo guy, and notably used a lot of Yoko-geri strikes to good effect, something you don't often see in the MMA ring.
Lyoto Machida of course is a prominent Shotokan practitioner, though that has transformed into "Machida Karate", and his gyaku-zuki usage is clear as day, especially used as a counter against an advancing opponent. He also famously took down Randy Couture with a Tobi Geri that sent one of his teeth flying across the ring. The Tobi Geri was immediately referred to as the Crane Kick from Karate kid, because ... naturally.
My MMA knowledge is like 10 years out of date though, so I'm sure there will be more recent examples.
Maybe Kikuno sensei will be your first Okinawan Karate user to know :)
Do you practice karate too?
@@KarateDojowaKu I practiced Shotokan at a Dojo for several years when I was younger before moving, then really just maintained kihon and kata on my own to keep the exercise benefits. I don't compete, and haven't been involved in any form of kumite for years. So I guess the answer's as much a 'no' as it is a 'yes. 😁
Kikuno sensei's certainly interesting to watch. You can really see a lot of his karate in the ring, and that's always nice to see.
There is Robert Whittaker too. And his style is Goju
as someone who belongs to a dojo that switched from karate to krav maga and kick boxing for more street self defense, this really helped me understand that the transition not only makes sense, but that the foundation of karate can also work so much in our favor. I feel very lucky that my karate Sensei is the one teaching these new styles to us because I know he has a solid foundation behind his techniques. as his students we have caught on to mma quickly, so he's kind of lucky too. beautiful and informative video, Sensei!
See also Kazumasa Yokoyama's teachings on Naihanchi and how it emphasizes diagonal axes and contracting and expanding the body to generate power.
The way he explained that stretching feeling has made want to practice this
I still can't believe that you brought him and explained his technique in english. I don't know what to say to thank you haha. Please, can you demonstrate the rigth way to execute the naihanchi to get this kind of punch? And, if it is possible, could you ask him to explain a little bit more detailed the aspects of this punch?
I watched this video at least 5 times and still don't get the main aspects of the technique...
Thanks a lot
He explains the Naihanchi
I suggest you to check out Watanabe Shinji he is a Kudo Shihan with a youtube channel dedicated to explain this kind of tecnique and the relationship between Kata and actual fights.
He is 61 and still a competitor in Kudo in the adult division (not senior) thanks to Kata✌🏻
Really good format and explanations!
Thanks!
This is at the heart of the misunderstood and much maligned internal Chinese arts. Especially those of Hsing-i, BaJi and Ba Qua. The hand moves before as the body follows behind. This is most important for those of us who, despite all efforts to the contrary, have aged. Great video and I await the next installments.
I also think those arts are misunderstood too! Great points. Do you have any experience in them?
@@KarateDojowaKu I have some but only in the basics. Finding teachers who have a deep understanding is very difficult. May I recommend this instructor, if you are ever able to go back to Okinawa, is Kiyoshi Arakaki of Muso Kai. His karate has many of these principles that we are discussing and his art is centered on the kata Naihanchi. Really enjoy your channel
Oh yes, I'm aware of him. I think he's located in the US right now?@@kwisatz_haderach1445
Yes, reminds me of Wing Chun 'structure' too.
Great stuff! :)
Thanks! Do you practice karate too?
Naihanchi was also the preferred kata of Choki Motobu who won a fight in his 50ies against a western boxer and was famous for his real fighting abilitys.
This is great! I like when there is proof that karate DOES work properly.
Thanks for this, Yusuke
No problem! What karate style do you practice?
@@KarateDojowaKu Goju Ryu karate, just yesterday (Sunday EST) I reached my shodan
Congrats!@@camiloiribarren1450
@@KarateDojowaKu thanks!! I’m excited.
It reminds me of western fencing, where you extend the sword and only after extension do you lunge forward.
Hi Yusuke! Unfortunately I couldn't make... I'm outta financial resources. Thank you for continuing karate around the world. OSS!
Thank you for the video. It is very wonderful. I hope you make a video with Togo Ishii
Hopefully in the near future!
Why do you want him on my channel?
@@KarateDojowaKu Because you are a wonderful person and you also know how to reach the recipient of the information. Also, you had published videos about Jeet Kune Do and I liked it, so I wanted to meet Togo Ishii in order to exchange knowledge. Thank you very much. I like the way you create videos. You are creative.
I loved this education, thank you so much.
A detailed Naihanchi tutorial would be cool.
Maybe next time! What style do you practice?
@@KarateDojowaKu I am not practicing one currently, but I would like to start Kyokushin soon. Still, I think any style has something to teach.
Master Kikuno is arguably the greatest Karate fighter to have fought in MMA. He really is a master now.
Very interesting explanation, and definetely useful skill… it would be very cool to know, how he had practised this (what were the minor goals to get the whole technique working)
I love these videos… thanks for sharing!
He says the majority of this practice is on the material that was covered in this video. What martial art do you do?
very very good explanation, I will follow the sensei's advice and focus on Naihanchi shodan more
Even steven segal mentions this way of punching in his videos with Jesse encamp.
Segal is a bit of a mystery man, but it is know that in addition to his Aikido he also learnt either kung fu or karate, possibly both which actually would have been in the spirit of the original Aikido as you had to be a black belt in another art to be trained by the founder.
Love that guy thanks for another great vid
This was awesome! Hope you implement on your practice and tell us if you noticed changes. I’ll definitely do it!!!!
Best Karate Channel ever!
Very interesting. Thank you. 👍
Thanks for the comment! Do you do karate as well?
I trained Shuri-Ryu Karate' many years ago (Nearly 59 now) and I kept training some for decades as I moved around (no Shuri-Ryu schools when I was in the Air Force where I was). I am slowly getting back into Karate and love your channel and your videos. They inspire me. I trained under the late Hanshi Ridgely Abele, Ph.D. back-in-the-day, who was a direct student of Robert Trias at the Hombu Dojo in Phoenix, Arizona. I was a 5th Kyu Green Belt nearly ready for my Brown Belt test back then. So your videos from Okinawa are especially interesting to me. Thanks for all that you do. God bless.🙂
Nice to see you doing videos with japanese martial art youtubers. There are many great ones but we never hear of them in the west because they rarely do videos with English speaking youtubers
Non-telegraphic punches that use body weight means you don't need speed or excessive power. All technique. That is definitely worth learning for self defense.
Do not forget Lyoto Machida. He is Shotokan practicioner and MMA champion.
Is this the idea behind the pushing against the wall technique we practiced in class? I love how you bring these different techniques you learn from others to class! Also, is this how you hurt your shoulder? 😅It was a hell of a punch!
Thanks for the questions! The wall practice is different since you're using your body to push the fist. His technique has the fist pull the body in. The shoulder...it's from something else😂
Ahh I see! 😂 it’s hard for me to wrap my head around having the fist pull the body in, but as I saw his technique clearly works!
ofcourse it works when he hurt you so much and he proved it in fighting!
Makiwara practice using this stance and punch is very helpful. The makiwara will provide the "push" with the return flex on impact.
Does Kikono Sensei punch with the bottom 3 knuckles or the large top 2? My experience is that top two causes much more tension in the upper body and energy gets trapped in the upper body rather than grounding down through the heel. Of course rooting/no pelvic tilt is necessary to ground the energy from lower back to the rear foot heel, but power dispersion starts with where and the punch connects
It's nice to see that kata does have it's place. I ha e often wondered if it was a wasteof time but know that it is good to practice kata.
This description of body connection and relaxed tension while maintaining 'shape' and movement is not as widely known as being part of many martial systems. I often see that it has been lost in translation and so people copy the shape movement without the understanding of what it is meant for. Sensei's comment about the correct level of pressure testing with a partner (pushing on you to check your connection) is equally important in making progress with training this way with this intention. It is not collusion in the way where people have 'lost their way' or do not understand the purpose of the shapes and movement (kata).
One big thing in common terminology I wish would change with martial systems is that what is covered in this video: full body connection, whole body moves as one (one thing moves, everything moves) is 'the only technique'. Striking or grappling is an expression of the technique.
My senseis used to say, you don't need a wind up or or the shoulder and hip movement to generate a strong punch. And then they would go around 'gently' pushing or punching the older students ( teens) in the shoulder. The amount of momentum like a great shove,but with their strong fists,it translated into a much more dangerous force. Eerily similar to this. They didn't explain the technique though,or maybe my memory is foggy. The point they were trying to make was,don't waste energy on unnecessary movement and don't telegraph the attack.
Maybe your sensei was doing something similar! By the way, what karate style was that?
I'll have to review the last part related to not telegraphing. But the principles up to them are very interesting.
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Thank you!
@@KarateDojowaKu miss your tutorial video please make more❤😍
4:16 that was a hard punch to chest. Hopefully you didnt got injured.
I think it's fine! But yeah it was a deadly one!
@@KarateDojowaKu Good thing he was using little power then, or he might have caused serious damage, fractured sternum, and even damaged heart.
Fascinating, how does this translate to kicks? The same fundamentals?
I would want to do some serious Uechi Ryu conditioning before he hit me to get my body used to being pommeled to that degree. I hate when people say that ANY martial art won't "work" in MMA when, in truth, I think they mean that a "kata" won't work in an MMA fight. Any martial art technique, when applied, doesn't usually look like the kata to an untrained eye. Even Mike Tyson's punching came from similar techniques and he was one of the hardest hitters in boxing. ALSO, most martial arts are not static systems, they are dynamic and often grow with each fight and each student. MMA is also very limited by it's "rules"...Karate, especially Okinawan styles, were not founded in the principles of "rules in fighting".
Great points! Do you practice any karate style?
@@KarateDojowaKu I practiced Aikido for years in the 90s. This is why I'm so familiar with people talking trash about a particular martial art. I used it myself with great effectiveness working security at nightclubs in Memphis, TN. In many cases, I was able to restrain people without harm to myself OR the aggressor...and in those cases, the aggressors are often Customers as well. This is why, when people started trashing it, I knew they were just speaking from a place of ignorance. The same can be said for people who would say that Karate is no good for MMA...many of them simply lack knowledge and understanding.
The last strike you received he used a vertical fist(my favourite). I’ve been studying Uechi-Ryu for 40 years, and although we use a similar concept this video explained it perfectly. Great job and I felt that chest shot here in Canada! Ouch!
@@rolandgdean Drunks in the bar aren't pro fighters though. That's what people mean when they say it doesn't work. Most people anyway. And even if it could work many of its techniques aren't allowed in mma, so we've got a case where underground fights have shown it doesn't work against experienced boxer/wrestlers, and in the UFC even if they had a chance they couldn't use their techniques.
Believe me, seeing just how fast you are is enough to prove that Karate training is worth it. Any street bully is going to have trouble just reaching you, so yes. 😊
How Lyoto Machida isnt in he top comments is beyond me.
Is there more info on this!? I am really interested, but I don't think I fully understand the dynamics. I think I mostly understand the drill from Naihanchi, but I would really love to see the concept applied to a whole bunch of different punches as they would be applied in a fight.
He says that the hips don't lead (interesting) but the hand does, but then he also says the strength comes from the bodyweight. So, is it that the connected feeling allows the hand to move first and then the body follows along, and when it follows along it provides the force? That would make sense to me, but then his sold punch from naihanchi-dachi wouldn't have been strong, and it clearly was.
"First hand and then body" is some kind, against the "mainstream" where everybody teach to generate the power from hips rotation - the first body and the hand is at the end.
"First hand then body" is taken from the fencing. But they don't need power, they only need speed
and non-telegraphing attack.
Bruce Lee used it if he want to reach someone before the opponent was able to block.
But, I'm not sure if this wasn't with cost of loosing power. Because when he did some "power punches" he didn't apply this "Hand first then body" technique.
Great analysis! Do you do JKD?
Hand first is a weapons principle.
he is emphasizing "heaven earth man" with that stretch of the fascia underneath the skin.
take a look at I-chuan, it teaches this way of stretching the body.
*probably already mentioned below:* this is very similar to the movements in Tekki Sandan
What karate gi does Dominique Vandenberg wear?
Is it similar to Naka sensei's punching technique?
It's very different.
I've always thought Karate to be effective - once you get proficient at it. I think why people say this is that Karate is super technical and it takes time to get good at it to the point that you can apply it in combat ready fashion. An average person would likely be better served with boxing/kickboxing/Muay Thai if they wanted fighting proficiency fast. If you wanted to focus on pure martial ability - Karate would not be my art of choice. That said there are many benefits that come with Karate. Discipline, the reward that comes with mastery ok a skill, the journey itself.
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Have you asked him what’s the difference between this and say the one inch punch or a boxers punch?
Well it depends on how the individual throws the one-inch punch or a boxers punch, but generally speaking, those two generate the power by pushing the fist out using other body parts. This punch in the video uses the fist to pull the other body part with it.
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Thanks! Do you practice karate too?
@@KarateDojowaKu I do, working on a mixture of Shorin Ryu, Shotokan, Kyokushin, with other martial art influences
Bro can you do Cobra Kai workout please ❤
Karate combat is proof karate still works, if there is a problem witj modern karate it has become more technicle
That's also a good example! What karate do you practice?
Most modern karate is sport oriented to see how many trophies you can win and feel like Superman. Okinawan Karate is for self defense not sport.
I would be curious to see if there are Karate Senseis who are knowledgeable about and are skilled at leading hand hook punch techniques. I did Shindo Jinen Karate, which later became Ryobukai. It was a synthesis of all karate styles up until that point, founded by Yasuhiro Konishi. In that style, the leading hand hook is practiced. The rear hand straight punch to the body can be dangerous to throw since the head is exposed to check hooks. The leading hand hook in the Karate style i practiced is much shorter than it is in boxing, making it more non-telegraphic. We usually don't see Karate practitioners talk about hooks.
are you going to get his technique on kicks? He used to knock out people with body kicks when he fought in mma.
As far as I know Kikuno was doing Kyokushin and Judo before getting to Mma. I think that he started okinawan kenpo after
That may be true but it is the Okinawan Kempo where he actually learned these fighting techniques. To be a good fighter you have to give it your all no matter what art you are studying, just as he has along with a real Master to teach you the correct techniques. Okinawa has plenty of them.
was he the one who fought tony ferguson?
I think so!
Okinawa kenpo 💪🏻
Real
I cannot agree more.
i wish i could do this but i cant think of any way of doing this in a wheelchair
The next sensei's approach might be better for someone on a wheelchair!
Spear drills help to learn this.
There is no such thing as bad skill or style. There is only a bad fighter. Every style is effective. I trained Shotokan for 30 years, now I train Uechi Ryu.
Okinawan karate the original karate
would you ever fight in MMA or even at K1 someday?
My interest is more in finding a wider variety of marital arts, so at the moment not sure.
He's 130 pounds, but the reality is even the 125 pound guys walk around at a cut looking 150, so he's just too small.
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Thanks!
No Munich or Germany?
Next year!
Where are you located?
A stop in Germany would be great, ideally Hamburg :-)… would be easy to connect with London-Stop :-)
@@KarateDojowaKu In Germany, state Bavaria
Do you love Goyo ryu
Of course!
@@KarateDojowaKu do you Yusuke think if you strike first in fight offence Is better that deffence in that fight
09:10 I think I watched a video from Micheal Jae White explaining the same technique.
Excellent video.
Nice! Was he doing a jab?
@@KarateDojowaKu yes. In the video, "I Fought Micheal Jai White" at the 4 minute point he explained , "You can't tell how close something is when it's coming directly at you." That is a very similar lesson. It must be common knowledge, but it still seems a like a secret technique only fighters know.
@@KarateDojowaKuJ. White is a karateka too, he did goju and kyokyushin so it's not surprising he knows this
And Machida made JKA Shotokan work in Pro MMA. His opponents often complained that Machida stood too far away for them to get a decent punch/kick in, which, to me, is laughable. I remember Joe Rogan once saying during the early days of the UFC when the Gracies dominated that karate would never work in MMA. How wrong he was.
I do Okinawa kenpo
Thing is karate isn’t that good until they actually do continuous sparring or full contact
What pushes my button from these so called experts that say Karate doesn’t work is there is no context to their claim. Doesn’t work for what? On the street, in the ring, a refereed Brazilian Jujitsu match or a game of Canasta? Karate will work for all above listed things. It depends on what part of the discipline of Karate is used, to fit the circumstances you face. OSS!
Well it’s half right. Karate does and does not work depending on how you train, what you are training for, what your intentions are in the dojo. For example if you only go to Karate classes for fun exercise and to socialise with friends, that’s fine but do yourself a favour and do not lie to yourself about being able to properly defend yourself either in a professional bout or in the outside world.
If however, you train a style like Kyokushin or at the very least, adopt the Kyokushin method toward your training and I would say yes, turn your whole body into a weapon and it will in turn take care of you. For example a Kyokushin 1st Dan would probably fare better in a Street fight than your average Karate practitioner.
Great points!
You forgot to mention that before Okinawan Karate he was kyokushin!
Yes but learned the real techniques from Okinawan Kempo that is why he switched.
@@josef-peterroemer5309 he was already successful in MMA and knockdown karate before that
@@amazed2341 But if you ask him he got much more powerful after understanding karate as taught in Okinawa. Kushin dies not teach you the same understanding as okinawan Kempo, it's basically brawling without really understanding the technique from Kata and how it is used.
@@josef-peterroemer5309 that is not true at all.
@@amazed2341 I've been around martial arts long enough to know about your style from Mas Oyama
What was and is being taught. It certainly does not go into the debt of Okinawan techniques.
I'm not sure if;
a) I'm being stupid and just don't understand
b) everyone else is stupid and this has been taught as basic technique to me since brown belt 20 years ago
I've no idea how this isn't common knowledge and practice? Either I was doing this with my instructor by fluke or this has been drilled into me for over 20 years and just seems basic now
Different styles move the body in different ways. What was the style or martial art you practiced before?
@KarateDojowaKu I've always studied shotokan (the style is very much loosely shotokan rather than the traditional 5 kihon, 5 juiipon kumite sets) which I did until brown belt and went back to at 1st Dan until 2nd Dan, application certainly since I've been an instructor is always prioritised (at a suitable grade) over just doing the movement and learning. When your in the UK I'd be interested in discussing this further
its similar to Micheal Jai white punches
Maybe it's just me, but I don't quite understand the obsession with MMA. MMA is a sport and that is different than learning how to defend yourself on the street or in a life/death scenario. If you practice a throat strike 10,000 times, you're going to have that muscle memory and react that way. If you cant breath, you cant fight.
I think it's just one way to measure one's strength too
MMA said they're deadly than Others because they knew how to fight, what funny thing is here in Malaysia and Indonesia, we were teached silat to hit organ for example eyes, nose, neck, heart, liver, kidney and groin. Silat olahraga (sport) they saw cant do that because its Just for scoring point to win not to defeat enemy.
There's many variation of silat, in indonesia, they got more than 100 styles. While here in Malaysia, we only have 30. I would said the raid movies using silat harimau (Tiger) but the main actor learn silat betawi and silat tiga berantai when he grew up. Here in Malaysia, our Police force learned silat gayung which is nice combination of striking and grappling but there's 1 silat style were created to fight against siammese invasion called silat cekak hanafi. You guys know that Thailand were never invaded by West colonialism because Thailand is not strategic, thai knew so they changed their country using european military system and bought a lot of weapon from West.
Meanwhile here in Malaysia, we are too seperated because each place here in Malaysia have their own kingdom. They were split after Malacca empire fell.
You can all deny it but the fact is Karate doesn't work. The traditional kihon, katas, and kumite dont work. Period. You can train them for years and they will not work in a fight. There are quite a few Karateka who transitioned to pro MMA, they did that by learning kickboxing and wrestling and by using THAT as a base they maybe could incorporate a few Karate moves or concepts.
But the CORE moves they are using are from combat sports, the CORE training methods of traditional karate don't come up.
Saying Karate works in a fight is like saying soccer works in a fight because some soccer player became an MMA fighter and was able modify his soccer kick for leg kicks.
Thanks for your input!
So how about you fight him first
Kickboxing whether Japanese/Oriental, Dutch or American are competition rule sets that are derivatives of Karate. I grew up Kickboxing ISKA and trained at three different styles of Karate that all competed ISKA. One taught Goju Ryu Kenkyukai, another Tiger Schulmann Kyokushin, & another Seidokaikan. Kihon, Kata, Kumite, Kakie & Kickboxing were used in syllabus for promotion.
Karate doesn't work. I tried to use it to fix my car and now I have two broken headlights and sore hands! 😅
This is the clip of Michael Jai White demonstrating the no telegraphed punch. This clip you posted is excellent. Kikuno Sensei I believe is describing taking the slack out of the faccia in order to have an elastic connected body. This is not dissimilar from the pile standing done in internal Chinese martial arts. Once the connection is established and felt it can be called upon and established in a quick manner without an exaggerated posture that was necessary to achieve it. Great video!
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Sure, you can find a couple of examples of talented people with karate backgrounds winning in MMA, but I can show you multitudes of wrestlers and boxers that do amazing in it. Karate sucks.
Part of it is self selecting, especially until recently. Not many nerds go into boxing or wrestling. I can't speak for wrestling, but boxing is incredibly hard, the training alone is orders of magnitude harder than any I got in karate or tkd. Most weak people are not going to last long and they would not want to get punched in the face. When you make karate into a full contact sport with no limits except for stupid things like groin shots or kicks to the spine you could have a good art. The problem with Japanese karate is most of it is watered down. It only became popular throughout Japan in the 1900s after they saw a heavyweight boxing match that was widely shown in cinemas (prewar). They didn't have a lot of boxers to teach them but they did have some Okinawans. There were a number or reasons it got watered down. One was Okinawan karate was never intended to be taught to large groups. It also had weight training and grappling. Some of the instructors didn't want the Japanese "knowing too much" but the main reason is the most popular guy felt he could teach large groups and mostly eliminate grappling and a few other techniques and get just as good results for the average person. He had some pushback, but the other guy was less popular so he won. A Korean Japanese who took the name Mas Oyama took the watered down Karate and made it a harder style designed for actual fighters, not university students. His students would often beat the Thais in Thailand, although the Thais did adapt to some of the techniques they were unused to over time.
@@D.D.-ud9zt I agree that Mas Oyama knew that karate was mostly useless and created Kyushin in the late 60's to address the issue. Also, Japan invaded and occupied Okinawa for 300 years, they didn't give two craps about Okinawan karate during that occupation.
it's the same thing Michael Jai White teaches. Maximum results, minimum effort.
Are you talking about the last telegraphing point?
@@KarateDojowaKu Right. Like the part where he punched you in the chest with virtually minimum effort but like you said, "felt like getting hit with a hammer." Michael Jai White compares that type of punch to a construction crane that you see assembling large buildings. The long arm of the crane is of course the arm, but there is a counterweight near the operator's booth; which is short in distance. The crane, when in motion, has the strength to carry a large load and swing all that weight (the power in the punch) while the counterweight (the shoulder stability) is nearly stiff yet mobile. Same thing as Sensei Kukino explained. Adding the twist to the punch increases the punching power and kinda makes the body as one unit that focuses on the target. Hence the powerful blow you've experience (I don't know how you are still talking after that hit, lol). So, it's maximum results, without exhaust one self by using minimum effort.
He won by mostly not using karate.
Not true, you certainly do not understand karate. You seem to be hung up on what techniques look like in Kata and expect them to look the same in fighting. They are the same but a fight is flowing so techniques melt from one to other and do not look so rigid as Kata. You obviously do not understand the Kata Training.
Kikuno knocked out UFC' 's Kevin Souza at Garyunjima in 2017 by using pure Okinawan Kenpo no excuses.
Karate is a martial art, it is an artform first and foremost. There is an aesthetic research in the movements and etiquette. You can use karate to fight, but it is not meant for fighting, it is meant for self defence. The best comparison you can make is comparing karate to a beautifully designed knife instead of comparing it to a combat knife. Its aesthetic is meant to be admired, not it's function. You could use the beautifully designed knife for combat, but it is not meant for combat, it is meant to be appreciated as a piece of art.
You know it takes zero dollars to not type anything.
Especially when it's gonna be as incoherent and ignorant as this, people need to start charging you for wasting their time.
@@caviteboy304 Go educate yourself about martial arts. Read some books and practice the artform. Then we'll talk again.
No it was originally used for fighting. It was only after it went to Japan from Okinawa that it became just an art, and the fighting got stripped away. Obviously you shouldn't just go out and get in street fights and self-defense is it's primary goal, but to act like it's just some aesthetic thing is to ignore it's history and only look at how certain people have changed it over time.
@@Connman90 For example, kata is a pure aesthetic form. It is the researcher of beauty and perfection in the movements. This is even true in the gohon, sanbon, ipon... kumite. Have you watched the masterclasses of Kanazawa? The aesthetics and etiquette are primordial.
@@Sams.Videos the original intent of Kata was as a way for solo practice of fighting movements. Now it has been changed into interpretive dance for competition.
Traditional karate is MMA. The art was ruined in japan
Have you used this is sparring and have you landed it if so >? Thx love the channel