Production starts, a collaboration with Lufthansa. The year 2024 can come. Take off from Lilium, float over the streets, fields, forests. I look forward to it.
@@edculpin1333 Nope. Not sufficient for the promised performance on the payload range diagram. Plus, this is new terrain for the aviation authorities. They will be very very hesitant.
Shouldn't someone on earth make a multirotor evtol that can lift the weight of a person and take it a few miles before production? There is no proof on earth that's even possible. They should make at least one before production because what are they producing? I think it's extremely fishy that nobody in the world has done it. Maybe it's not possible. Maybe they could prove it with math but they need to show the variables.
Excellent result guys. Adding newly discovered efficiencies of tubercles to leading edges of lifting surfaces (and turbine blades) to reduce drag, increase lift & extend range.
"Our aircraft has the diameter that it takes to go to 95% of the helipads in the world". Can we see simulations of approach and departure needed for typical and marginal helipads? What are the eventuality procedures with a fan or battery failure? Many of us are struggling to believe that Lilium can land and depart in a city heliport. But the business model is for city heliport access. So potential shareholders and customers do need to understand any limitations.
This is exceptional. This is precisely the safety and engineering excellence we expected from the methodical flight testing you all gave us over the years. I look forward to the commercial economy class flights by 2030
@@Ozbird-72 Wrong. Professional flight test engineers and pilots are evaluating a remotely piloted demonstrator. Right: No flight testing of a manned aircraft so far.
@@avigator There is no data available on those "unmanned" tests of a prior version of this vehicle. Only videos from short flights, with no Info on weight, endurance achieved, safety procedures etc. Sorry, this is not the way you certify an aircraft. All it is today is a huge model aircraft.
Question: How many km would a Lilium manage over the lifespan of the battery, and how many flights would this be? Based on fast charging for quick turnaround, or slow charging to optimize battery longevity? A battery swap where the lowar part of the hull is swapped between flights seems a great way to get quick turnaround, or make flights semi-non-stop with very short stops for battery swaps, allowing to fly at maximum cruise for longer A to B travels.
good question! thought about the same based on their last video available on their utube channel, their business case is for 800 cycles (1C/1h and 2C/30mins seems today considered for charging but faster charging may not be excluded in future i think), so with a 175km trip target, it gives 800x175km total range, or 800 flights of 175km, ~ 2 flights per day over 1 year. They using similar design criteria for battery energy than EV, meaning keeping SOC between 20 and 80% and ensure their min peak power demand and min energy is met at any time of the flight within this SOC range (the min energy remain for me a real unknown as not yet really specified and agreed with authorities...so this may affect their 175km range target). In general this 40% of li-ion battery capacity unused, which a bit of a dead weight, fades over time with aging and they seem to have by test some preliminary data to show that after 800 cycles and the consequent loss of capacity, they can meet their min power peak and min energy requirement. for comparison, that remain ~ 50% less than EV for battery cycles which is ~1500cycles. as its a new techno for aviation, how things will improved to be followed...
@@berone1642 350 km a day for just over a year (less than 2 years at least) and then scrap the battery. Not very green...nor affordable. With such an envelope, an efficient gas turbine powered light craft may end up greener and cheaper and achieve way more flight hours and greater average speeds. Virtue signaling is going to be expensive. Only worth it if you get to get closer to your destination that current light craft strips and heliports. Say, you live in upper Manhattan NYC. It would make sense to make an eVTOL port in the middle of Central Park. Will that happen? Nope. On the river boardwalks? Maybe. On top of buildings? If ever, decades away. One craft falls off, many deaths on the ground or in buildings below. If you are an exceedingly rich ex-politician in Martha's Vineyard, it's just a less noisy helicopter fast lane in the garden. But only to get you to an airport. It won't take you shopping or to a business destination that is not already a heliport location today. What are heliports to do when suddenly "everyone" starts buying eVTOLs? They'll have limitations put on them already. So they can ban helicopters which forces them out of sevice before their economic life is over. Only new city in Arabia muggy have a way to integrate these properly. If you're a rich rancher now you can already use a heli to inspect the land, hunt, or visit the neighbours. OK this thing you'd charge at home. But you can't fast charge at the neighbours so you can spend only spend 40% SOC to fly there for lunch providing you can slow charge there at 7 kW.
@@Cloxxki I share your point of view, it's not gonna be cheap and also replacing battery may be complex if any obsolescence issue arise where they will have to re-qualify and re-certify a battery pack. As you mentioned, with use of a turbine, you back to a chopper design, where Lilium amongst many others, believe in distributed propulsion architecture, the only way to use full electric, but downside is low range, it's not a tesla or any other ev claiming very long range which make their "success". if they were using a turbine+generator, weight 'ld be huged, "impossible design".
@@CloxxkiYou properly summed it up. Even if they manage to get an acceptable performance, the real problem is the infrastructure. In the catchment area, where you have a lot of potential passengers, there’s no space for new helipads. In areas where you have this space, you lack the people. 🤷♂️
I'd love to see a non VTOL version of this. While VTOL is really cool, frankly I think its a waste of very limited electric power. Just use a normal runway, and you can cut out lot of unnecessary parts for the rotation mechanism and probably tons of engines because now you only need a TWR of 0.2 or something vs a TWR > 1 which saves on mass and increases flight time, let alone manufacture and engineering complexity.
You can’t buy it today. You can pay for it today. Big difference. And if you want to go green for the distances this can fly, buy a Prius. This is a massive amount of resources that can yield better environmental gains elsewhere.
Brilliant & revolutionary aircraft. By 2050 I expect fully autonomous, 20, 50, 100+ seat & 500-5000 km models 🎉 once high density batteries in development are realized.
This is incredibly exciting and I can’t wait to see them flying. However 2026 is far too optimistic. It looks like they have their own avionics and being a completely new class of aircraft it is going to take years to certify. Just look at any other aviation company. Take Epic for example with the E1000 which used many already certified parts and products. I wish people with so called experience in the industry didn’t ignore the facts and put out unrealistic goals, ultimately putting the company and innovation at risk. A design office doesn’t mean you can deliver a jet. The clue is in the name.
First option: The Lilium Jet is not allowed to fly in icing conditions. Second option: They use an anti icing system and have to demonstrate its effectiveness in the certification process.
I'm pretty sure the video everyone wants to see are the mile stones needed to get to revenue and the funding needed to get to break even operations. Otherwise 2024 will see the stock go back to sub $0.60. Are they going to take pre-orders like Tesla to float them? Are they going to sell to more than one or two customers? So many more questions remain.
Shouldn't someone on earth make a multirotor evtol that can lift the weight of a person and take it a few miles before production? There is no proof on earth that's even possible. They should make at least one before production because what are they producing? I think it's extremely fishy that nobody in the world has done it. Maybe it's not possible. Maybe they could prove it with math but they need to show the variables.
When batteries eventually (could that 20 years) double energy density by weight vs today, would tha tbe used mainly to add to range? I think it would be used to make larger planes with the same range and faster planes of the same size. Who wants a 3-4 hour flight in a light slow plane, to replace a 1-1.5 hour flight in a regular small jet? That slowness limits the number of flights you can do annually.
Battery improvements don't take 20 years. You half wits keep complaining while using your shallow imaginations to glean your weak arguments. Battery advancements continually announce in a 6mo cycle as we speak.. (today). You're just incapable of paying attention.
@@avigator a ‘Jet’ engine must combust fuel in the airflow. These are turbofans, which employ zero combustion. The Germans invented the ‘Düsentrieb‘ in WW2. This is pure marketing misrepresentation which is shocking to see in a German startup
@@avigatorthat craft is not a jet by any definition. What definition would make it one? It's not powered by a jet engine and it's not a steam of fluid.
You may not be able to afford to buy a Lilium jet, but, almost everyone can afford to buy Lilium stock right now. LILM That’s what will buy my Lilium jet.
Perhaps you missed the greater context. "But also there is a big demand to go green, and really private jets are under scrutiny, and we believe that bringing that aircraft into the world is going to help tremendously replacing those legacy aircraft. We are done with thermal engines". Do you honestly interpret that comment as being directed solely toward their aircraft? Lilium's stated goal was to be full electric from day 1. Why would he say that they are done with thermal engines if it was never an option to begin with? It's an incredibly bold statement to make, especially coming from a company that to this day hasn't shown a demonstration flight (to my knowledge) demonstrating full payload and range, let alone a crewed mission. They are/have been reliant on battery technology that doesn't exist. If this isn't the case, then showcase it. I'd be more than willing to change my mind if there was concrete evidence to substantiate their performance figures.
KAIST-LG Ensol-Batterie für Elektrofahrzeuge, Hin- und Rückfahrt Sokcho-Busan mit einer Ladung. 900 km mit einer einzigen Ladung fahren. Lilium unterstützt auch die Batterieentwicklung schnell.
For me it's weird that zero-CO2 emission solutions are called "green" when CO2 is ACTUAL: PLANT FOOD. Greenhouse (!) farmer add CO2 into their structure to improve crop yields, which enable many people in the West to eat, and be able to afford it. In other regions, famine is a real thing. If people there were allowed better farming opportunities (you can finance a car on low income in gridlock but not a farm amidst famine) and easy access to CO2, they might be given a fairer change at a fully belly.
Production starts, a collaboration with Lufthansa. The year 2024 can come. Take off from Lilium, float over the streets, fields, forests. I look forward to it.
To the moon 🌚
Needs to be certified first. With zero flight hours until now this won’t happen in 2024. With present battery technology it will never happen.
Citation needed? We can certify in 2025 using the battery technology that we have today.
@@edculpin1333 Nope. Not sufficient for the promised performance on the payload range diagram. Plus, this is new terrain for the aviation authorities. They will be very very hesitant.
Shouldn't someone on earth make a multirotor evtol that can lift the weight of a person and take it a few miles before production? There is no proof on earth that's even possible. They should make at least one before production because what are they producing? I think it's extremely fishy that nobody in the world has done it. Maybe it's not possible. Maybe they could prove it with math but they need to show the variables.
Excellent result guys. Adding newly discovered efficiencies of tubercles to leading edges of lifting surfaces (and turbine blades) to reduce drag, increase lift & extend range.
They increase drag and reduce lift and reduce the range. They would show it fly if it could
Let Go LILM!
I live in Lake Nona and we are ready for you!
I can buy the Lilium Jet today! Can finish paying after the next 40 years. Joking, well done, you fellas did a great job :)
Which great job are you referring to?
You can pay for one anyway. Lol
"Our aircraft has the diameter that it takes to go to 95% of the helipads in the world".
Can we see simulations of approach and departure needed for typical and marginal helipads? What are the eventuality procedures with a fan or battery failure?
Many of us are struggling to believe that Lilium can land and depart in a city heliport. But the business model is for city heliport access. So potential shareholders and customers do need to understand any limitations.
Wow, what an incredible result! Congratulations on your DOA! We look forward to following your journey into 2024
What’s “incredible” about getting a DOA?
I truly believe this is going to be THE revolutionary air mobility product around the world starting in 2026! Well done!
Go lilum ❤❤❤❤
😊😊😊😊😊
It is Lillium... with 2 L
@@Ozbird-72ohhh my god very important LLLL
Been waiting for this!!! Don't go backwards!
How should they go backwards?
This is exceptional. This is precisely the safety and engineering excellence we expected from the methodical flight testing you all gave us over the years. I look forward to the commercial economy class flights by 2030
Actually the flight testing so far is limited to a Lilium drone. This drone will literally get you nowhere.
They have been flying a little toy and letting us see short edited clips. What are you talking about?
There never was methodical flight testing, let alone a SINGLE manned flight...
@@Ozbird-72 Wrong. Professional flight test engineers and pilots are evaluating a remotely piloted demonstrator. Right: No flight testing of a manned aircraft so far.
@@avigator There is no data available on those "unmanned" tests of a prior version of this vehicle. Only videos from short flights, with no Info on weight, endurance achieved, safety procedures etc. Sorry, this is not the way you certify an aircraft. All it is today is a huge model aircraft.
Good. Very good.
How do you know?
T0 THE MOON 🌚
I'm excited
Lilium is the future guys!
Believe me, brother 😂
Totally... You can now buy stock at 1 Dollar, wait a few days and then sell at 1,06 dollars... HUGE margin on a penny stock...
Question:
How many km would a Lilium manage over the lifespan of the battery, and how many flights would this be? Based on fast charging for quick turnaround, or slow charging to optimize battery longevity? A battery swap where the lowar part of the hull is swapped between flights seems a great way to get quick turnaround, or make flights semi-non-stop with very short stops for battery swaps, allowing to fly at maximum cruise for longer A to B travels.
good question! thought about the same
based on their last video available on their utube channel, their business case is for 800 cycles (1C/1h and 2C/30mins seems today considered for charging but faster charging may not be excluded in future i think), so with a 175km trip target, it gives 800x175km total range, or 800 flights of 175km, ~ 2 flights per day over 1 year.
They using similar design criteria for battery energy than EV, meaning keeping SOC between 20 and 80% and ensure their min peak power demand and min energy is met at any time of the flight within this SOC range (the min energy remain for me a real unknown as not yet really specified and agreed with authorities...so this may affect their 175km range target). In general this 40% of li-ion battery capacity unused, which a bit of a dead weight, fades over time with aging and they seem to have by test some preliminary data to show that after 800 cycles and the consequent loss of capacity, they can meet their min power peak and min energy requirement.
for comparison, that remain ~ 50% less than EV for battery cycles which is ~1500cycles. as its a new techno for aviation, how things will improved to be followed...
@@berone1642 350 km a day for just over a year (less than 2 years at least) and then scrap the battery. Not very green...nor affordable. With such an envelope, an efficient gas turbine powered light craft may end up greener and cheaper and achieve way more flight hours and greater average speeds.
Virtue signaling is going to be expensive. Only worth it if you get to get closer to your destination that current light craft strips and heliports.
Say, you live in upper Manhattan NYC. It would make sense to make an eVTOL port in the middle of Central Park. Will that happen? Nope. On the river boardwalks? Maybe. On top of buildings? If ever, decades away. One craft falls off, many deaths on the ground or in buildings below. If you are an exceedingly rich ex-politician in Martha's Vineyard, it's just a less noisy helicopter fast lane in the garden. But only to get you to an airport. It won't take you shopping or to a business destination that is not already a heliport location today.
What are heliports to do when suddenly "everyone" starts buying eVTOLs? They'll have limitations put on them already. So they can ban helicopters which forces them out of sevice before their economic life is over.
Only new city in Arabia muggy have a way to integrate these properly.
If you're a rich rancher now you can already use a heli to inspect the land, hunt, or visit the neighbours. OK this thing you'd charge at home. But you can't fast charge at the neighbours so you can spend only spend 40% SOC to fly there for lunch providing you can slow charge there at 7 kW.
@@Cloxxki I share your point of view, it's not gonna be cheap and also replacing battery may be complex if any obsolescence issue arise where they will have to re-qualify and re-certify a battery pack. As you mentioned, with use of a turbine, you back to a chopper design, where Lilium amongst many others, believe in distributed propulsion architecture, the only way to use full electric, but downside is low range, it's not a tesla or any other ev claiming very long range which make their "success". if they were using a turbine+generator, weight 'ld be huged, "impossible design".
@@CloxxkiYou properly summed it up. Even if they manage to get an acceptable performance, the real problem is the infrastructure. In the catchment area, where you have a lot of potential passengers, there’s no space for new helipads. In areas where you have this space, you lack the people. 🤷♂️
Question. Can it lift 150lbs and move it 5 miles? They should prove that before anything
Go Lilium!
Great stuff 🔥🔥
Why does the Lilium story remind me of the folktale «The Emperor's New Clothes»? 🤔
I'd love to see a non VTOL version of this. While VTOL is really cool, frankly I think its a waste of very limited electric power. Just use a normal runway, and you can cut out lot of unnecessary parts for the rotation mechanism and probably tons of engines because now you only need a TWR of 0.2 or something vs a TWR > 1 which saves on mass and increases flight time, let alone manufacture and engineering complexity.
This would be called a STOL airplane...
Like how much would it cost?
Herzlichen Glückwunsch zur Zulassung! Tolles Konzept!
Welche Zulassung?
Welche Zulassung?
Seems like Lilium is doing the right things with their raised capital. Truly believe in them. Invest now in the Tesla of the air! :-)
How do you know?
Amazing, please upload more video from production
1:33 for premium market i can understand .. for mass market what are the plans ? Do you have a roadmap .
Yeah I understand those things.
It’ll be interesting to see the system they figure out.
It truly is brilliant design ❤
How do you know?
You are a truly brilliant believer!
Can it hoover? Standing in the air?
I'll buy one for the carpet.
I bought shares to I'm hoping it will clean up.
@@tonyblighe5696 dito
Yes, for about 3 seconds... After this, the low battery warning sounds
Eine Frage an Sie,
Wir dieses Luftfahrzeug auch mit einen Rettungsfallschrim in der Rumpfstruktur ausgestattet?
Mfg
You can’t buy it today. You can pay for it today. Big difference. And if you want to go green for the distances this can fly, buy a Prius. This is a massive amount of resources that can yield better environmental gains elsewhere.
There isnt a difference. Just like you embarrassing yourself today or yesterday has no difference.
@@EarthCreature.To pay for some product, which does not exist or to actually buy a product doesn’t make a difference? Really? 🤔
@@EarthCreature.It's called vaporware
@@EarthCreature. - Don’t see your point and can’t relate to your example as you seem to.
How much is it?
Brilliant & revolutionary aircraft. By 2050 I expect fully autonomous, 20, 50, 100+ seat & 500-5000 km models 🎉 once high density batteries in development are realized.
😂 You don’t know a lot about aerospace engineering, do you?
This is exiting, but I want to see more flight demos!
More flight demos of the Lilium drone? Why do you want to see that?
@@avigator Because I enjoy them, why else? Also looking forward to flights of the production prototype.
This is incredibly exciting and I can’t wait to see them flying. However 2026 is far too optimistic. It looks like they have their own avionics and being a completely new class of aircraft it is going to take years to certify. Just look at any other aviation company. Take Epic for example with the E1000 which used many already certified parts and products. I wish people with so called experience in the industry didn’t ignore the facts and put out unrealistic goals, ultimately putting the company and innovation at risk. A design office doesn’t mean you can deliver a jet. The clue is in the name.
Exactly. They put their fortune on batteries which don’t exist today.
Germany had Steinhoff, Wirecard, Signa and now waiting for Lilium to implode. I am counting the days. 🙃✌🏾
Production starts without going through even the most basic flight tests? WOW, they have balls made of tungsten...
What about icing?
How does that work?
First option: The Lilium Jet is not allowed to fly in icing conditions.
Second option: They use an anti icing system and have to demonstrate its effectiveness in the certification process.
Does it use NACS or CCS charging standard?
We are currently using CCS
@edculpin1333 Noted. There are adapters anyway. Thanks.
It uses the global VC BS standard... A lot of BS for VCs...
릴리움 응원해🎉😊🎉😊
I'm pretty sure the video everyone wants to see are the mile stones needed to get to revenue and the funding needed to get to break even operations. Otherwise 2024 will see the stock go back to sub $0.60. Are they going to take pre-orders like Tesla to float them? Are they going to sell to more than one or two customers? So many more questions remain.
Shouldn't someone on earth make a multirotor evtol that can lift the weight of a person and take it a few miles before production? There is no proof on earth that's even possible. They should make at least one before production because what are they producing? I think it's extremely fishy that nobody in the world has done it. Maybe it's not possible. Maybe they could prove it with math but they need to show the variables.
When batteries eventually (could that 20 years) double energy density by weight vs today, would tha tbe used mainly to add to range? I think it would be used to make larger planes with the same range and faster planes of the same size.
Who wants a 3-4 hour flight in a light slow plane, to replace a 1-1.5 hour flight in a regular small jet? That slowness limits the number of flights you can do annually.
Battery improvements don't take 20 years. You half wits keep complaining while using your shallow imaginations to glean your weak arguments. Battery advancements continually announce in a 6mo cycle as we speak.. (today). You're just incapable of paying attention.
people trashing existing range are stupid. 90 miles gets anyone in america near a city to their local major airport
Does anyone in America have a helipad for takeoff and landing on their ground?
It can't fly 1 full mile. They should prove it can if it can.
Any UBER gets you there as well...
@@Ozbird-72 A 90 mile Uber? Who's driving 180 miles? At that cost, Lilium will be comparable, and much faster obviously.
@@kingsleyzissou5881they can't fly 90 miles. They don't even have a craft just a toy drone. Their toy can't even stay up 5 minutes without a load.
Hey, it’s Not A Jet !!
it is
It depends on the definition of a jet engine.
@@avigator a ‘Jet’ engine must combust fuel in the airflow. These are turbofans, which employ zero combustion. The Germans invented the ‘Düsentrieb‘ in WW2. This is pure marketing misrepresentation which is shocking to see in a German startup
@@avigatorthat craft is not a jet by any definition. What definition would make it one? It's not powered by a jet engine and it's not a steam of fluid.
@@TheBagOfHolding Well, it uses thrust vector control.
You may not be able to afford to buy a Lilium jet, but, almost everyone can afford to buy Lilium stock right now. LILM
That’s what will buy my Lilium jet.
😭
"We are done with thermal engines". How can you take someone seriously when they say things like this?
Well, they use an electric powered ducted fan not a thermal engine.
Perhaps you missed the greater context.
"But also there is a big demand to go green, and really private jets are under scrutiny, and we believe that bringing that aircraft into the world is going to help tremendously replacing those legacy aircraft. We are done with thermal engines". Do you honestly interpret that comment as being directed solely toward their aircraft? Lilium's stated goal was to be full electric from day 1. Why would he say that they are done with thermal engines if it was never an option to begin with? It's an incredibly bold statement to make, especially coming from a company that to this day hasn't shown a demonstration flight (to my knowledge) demonstrating full payload and range, let alone a crewed mission. They are/have been reliant on battery technology that doesn't exist. If this isn't the case, then showcase it. I'd be more than willing to change my mind if there was concrete evidence to substantiate their performance figures.
@@dubesAccepted. The Lilium aircraft will not replace any business jet. Main reason: Lack of range.
Who even calls them thermal engines? He probably just got done smoking something.
상장패지나 막아라
It's just another jet. It won't do anything different than any other jet. Kinda boring
It's not real.
This will never fly , commercialisation moved from 2023 to 2026 then 2040 . Keep diluting shareholders and filling your pockets
It has already flown.
@@MegaAltonator are you dumb . FLY WITH PASSENGERS
@@TravelDocSurg It doesn t hurt to use your brain.
@@jonpetter8921😂😂😂
Funny to read your pessimism, still you’re here on this video. We have some proud believers here though. You don’t have to try to change our minds 😜
KAIST-LG Ensol-Batterie für Elektrofahrzeuge, Hin- und Rückfahrt Sokcho-Busan mit einer Ladung.
900 km mit einer einzigen Ladung fahren.
Lilium unterstützt auch die Batterieentwicklung schnell.
For me it's weird that zero-CO2 emission solutions are called "green" when CO2 is ACTUAL: PLANT FOOD.
Greenhouse (!) farmer add CO2 into their structure to improve crop yields, which enable many people in the West to eat, and be able to afford it. In other regions, famine is a real thing. If people there were allowed better farming opportunities (you can finance a car on low income in gridlock but not a farm amidst famine) and easy access to CO2, they might be given a fairer change at a fully belly.