Federico Staksrud v Tyson McGuffin at the Selkirk Kansas City Open
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Watch the Men's Singles Semi Finals match: (1) Federico Staksrud v (3) Tyson McGuffin at the Selkirk Kansas City Open
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So how are any of Tyson’s serves even legal under new rules? Lol
He cheats
They aren’t. He’s been playing a lot of MLP where anything goes.
Honestly, he makes contact at or below his waist so I don’t think the release should really be enforced that harshly, now if he was hitting the ball high that’d be a different stiry
@@adamheath4599rules are rules though. Other competitors changed their serve because of this rule and don’t serve quite as well because of it. Tyson wouldn’t serve as well if he followed the rules. In ANY sport, it flies in the face of the competitive spirit to allow any player to break a rule. You have to change the rule for everyone or enforce it for everyone. But Tyson has always pushed the boundaries on his serves and honestly imo it’s bad sportsmanship and can’t be good to attract viewers. I was hesitant to watch this game as these guys are both hot heads, and after Tyson threw a fit about the ref enforcing a rule, I’m done
@@jmunt he follows the important rule, hitting below waist and wrist position. The hip toss rule is just to make the first rule easily enforceable for the referee.
Also, to disprove your other point. In the nba, there’s a lot of traveling/carrying but refs don’t call it unless it’s egregious.
So genuinely -- and I'm doing my best to not be in any way hyperbolic here -- but if the PPA rule requires the ball to both be dropped from no higher than waist level and not tossed up in any fashion, Tyson doesn't hit a single legal serve in the first five minutes I've watched of this match. Not one. Slow them down -- every single one is dropped from shoulder height at minimum, and most are released up, or at least his palm is sideways to up each time.
His CONTACT point seems fine -- that's where I'm avoiding hyperbole. Yes, it's aggressive. Yes, it's borderline. But if you slow them down, he's at belly-button or lower height, and the paddle isn't above the wrist and all that.
It's frankly silly. Unless I'm wrong about that particular rule. In which case, ignore this.
The one point of defense I'd give to Tyson is that he is squatted down a lot at the start which makes his torso and head much lower. It's pretty tough to determine his torso level when he's squatted down like that. Like you said, his point of contact appears legal on most and I do think it's likely he's serving a lot illegally but it's more of a grey area than at first appearance.
@@JonTriesStuff -- but the rule is the ball has to be dropped from hip height. If he wants to squat, he's just lowering his hips, which means he has to drop the ball from an even lower height. You can't say "my hips WOULD be here if I weren't squatting, so that's where I'll release the ball" -- it has to be at hip level. He's not close.
His contact point seems fine. But his release point (which is a PPA-only rule, of course) is WAY too high.
@@grousehouse Exactly. It doesn't matter how low he squats. The ball can't be dropped from above the waist. If you pause and press . and , you can cycle frame by frame. Every serve is dropped from essentially chest level.
You are completely wrong. There's no rule about the toss being below the waist. The ball just needs to hit below the waist.
@@XxKiLLaKoop420 - it’s a PPA-specific rule that the ball must be dropped from waist/hip height. You can hear the ref tell McGuffin this after the second time he calls him on it at around the 3:20 mark.
So … maybe “completely wrong” is a mild exaggeration. 😂
Its wild that you can slam your paddle on the court and damage the court without being penalized.
What time stamp does he do this at?
@@taita7778 8:35 it was federico staksrud
Staksrud didn't damage the court, but rather scuffed it with his paddle. Still should have been penalized!
@@pl1532 That could still be construed as damage
According to the rules every single ball drop on serve was illegal for Tyson
PPA needs to get their act together and enforce the rules. The players will quickly adapt.
How on earth Tyson's serve is legal? My serve is much cleaner than his, but I got called out on my server. Right now, I only do drop serves just in order to shut down someone
👏👏yes… his serve is clearly illegal
What's a drop serve? Do you mean a bounce serve?
@@voiceofreason9238 Yes, and the two terms are interchangeable.
This is a major T fueled match up
That was a great match! Love the energy.
Watch the Tyson serve at 12:11 in slow motion. It definitely looks worse than it is in real-time but he's making contact below the waist. The release point is high though.
In new ppa rules the release itself also must be at/below the waist, not just the contact point. He’s not even close on any of his serves
I wonder if his full upright position is considered and not his body position at point of contact with the ball. An official would have to make a mental mark when saying the score then the server can squat, lunge, step, scoot, hop or whatever. It is an evolving game.
@@jmunt Didn’t PPA also stipulate that the ball could not be tossed upwards on the serve? Tyson was adhering to that rule before the MLP season started, but obviously went back to his old serve with their slack rules where anything goes. They need to get on the same page! The players will quickly adapt.
@@richardsheets7380 The rule is body position not where the player would be if they were fully upright.
Damages the court at 8:40 smh
Both paddles are hot
Wild that Tyson even has the nerve to ask for a head ref. Dude is dropping the ball from eye level and making contact damn near at his chest.
Personally, I think we should be able to serve however we want. Spin, slice, overhead, all of it. BUT, rules are rules lol
Overhead? Fk that. You'll never get a return back.
If overhead serves are allowed, John Isner will have a new career. I believe the serve is intentionally crippled in PB so players are supposed to work their way up the kitchen to earn a point. Not into new rules and stuff, but the simplest way is probable allowing only drop-serve from shoulder high.
@@HeavyAndLow haha no, YOU will never get a return back. I have zero issues returning overhead serves lol
@@chubun6631 I can't imagine a world where John Isner is actually good at pickleball, regardless of serve rules. If people return his serve in tennis they can do it in PB.
@@chubun6631 Volley serve should be released at waist level with palm facing the ground. It's simple and easy to enforce. Noncompliance is a fault.
Tyson's serve is such BS, just look at 0:28. Good for the referee.
These new paddles are wayyy too poppy and are making the game boring to watch. Barely any back and forth
There's just not a bunch of back and forth in pro pickleball singles. The pros hit hard and with tons of spin regardless of paddle.
strange rules, Tyson bends his knees so low that any ball will be above his waist lol
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Tyson's serve looks illegal AF. Why is he allowed to do that?
how did fed not receive any sort of penalty in the first game? clearly swearing, DAMAGING THE COURT, and then throwing his paddle? as a tennis player, this is appalling.
You can do that too in tennis as long as you don't damage the racket to the point that it needs to be changed. Even if you do that, if you play the next point with the damaged racket and then change there's no warning for racket abuse.
“How are Tysons serves even legal?! Waa waa”. MLP has the superior serve rules. Stop crying. Congrats Tyson!
Whether you agree with a rule or not, when a rule is specifically designed to nerf part of a game, and when one player is allowed break that rule and has the most powerful serve because of it, that is an unfair advantage against all the players actually following the rules. It’s like letting one pitcher use pine tar while no one else is allowed to. Rules are rules. Every sport has rules that people would rather not be there. But in NONE of them are players allowed to get away with breaking a rule so egregiously as this. Either change the rule for everyone or enforce it for everyone. This is an embarrassment to the integrity of the game.
I can’t continue to watch a match with a player who is allowed to blatantly break a rule that has such a large impact on the outcome of games. The ref tried, I really can’t blame him. I blame whatever culture is at play that has stripped refs of the power to stand up to a player who is popular. PPA either needs to change the rule, or set some clear boundaries for players that rules will be actually enforced and can face ejection for disrespecting a referee who is simply doing his job. Embarrassing. Imagine any other player in any other sport arguing like this, not arguing with a call that can be reviewed, but arguing that the rule itself is dumb and choosing to ignore it. Imagine a pitcher gets caught with pine tar, and the I’ll calls them out on it, and they get mad at the ump and then just use half the pine tar they were using before. That would never fly. PPA needs more respect for itself and for the integrity of competition, and both players and refs need to be told that rules will be fully enforced no matter how popular or angry a player is.
I remember a recent pro match where a ref and a chair were brought in because the opponent complained about the illegal serve contact point. While seated, the chair ref (my term) could more easily and consistently see the serve at contact point.
Not that I care, but everyone of Tyson's serves are too high and illegal
paddles make it less fun to watch way to much pop and spin for singles
this is what confuses me, they play doubles together as a team, but then play against each other in singles on the same tour
Its a different tour they play together in MLP this is PPA
how are any Tyson’s serves is legel wtf????? thats fking cheat man
Glad they’re finally calling out Tyson for his illegal ass serves
Having your squeaky nine year-old chirping nonsense from the bench after every point should not be allowed. Turns it from a pro match to a weird family feud re-run.
cope
Tyson is a great player, but his serve is not clean and his paddle is questionable. PPA, do your job and ensure even playing field.
Paddles are checked every tournament.
What a boring match
You thought that was boring? The number 1 and 3 players in the world giving it their all emotionally and physically hitting crushing shots with accuracy and volleying this shots with precision. Right down to the wire when Tyson’s son is cheering him on and he hasn’t been to a singles final this year. I’ll assume you mean there was too much power involved. You sir need to go watch amateur women play. You remind me of the meme of the fat guy in the couch eating chips and calling the Olympic athletes a loser when they mess up. Go away please.
what a boring comment