HOPE I DIDN'T MAKE A MISTAKE IN DOING THIS...BUILD UPDATE

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  • Опубликовано: 7 окт 2024

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  • @RAW_Reality
    @RAW_Reality 3 года назад +10

    The somewhat ironic thing is that the Crescendo actually does 8210w @12.9v when on a .5ohm load with a great electrical system installed, so it's not even that you're getting more wattage with the 2 amps doing 1ohm each, just that they're able to meet that demand easier...
    Putting it another way; it's like spouts on a dam. Two spouts running at 60% open is 20% better than 1 spout running 100% open. The 2db improvement reflects that.
    The reason your Hz went up is because it's tonally easier to produce higher frequencies (which cheaper boards rely on), allowing more wattage to be used. People tend to "forget" that amps are dependent on resisters, and resisters not only determine the wattage able to go through the amp but also what tones go through them inherent to the wattage. If the same Crescendo amp used the resisters from the Stetsom amp, it'd also be rated at 8k for 1ohm, and give the same rise in Hz frequency output because of it.
    This effectively means this was _almost_ a lateral move, going from 8k@.5 (harder) to 8k@1ohm (easier), other than it saving you ~$110 and gaining 2db because of the easier path (less resistance). And your clamp draw is more during 2 amps being used for obvious reasons.
    If you wanted more wattage to your subs, that's not what you've done here (no offense). Simply, just allowed the overall system to be more efficient per individual amp at the cost of being harder on your overall electrical.

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад +1

      Brilliant thank you smucky well said! I didn't think of it but my frequency did change slightly as well. May need to adjust port and sealed section slightly to compensate in the future. Efficiency gain I'll take it! :)

    • @RAW_Reality
      @RAW_Reality 3 года назад +1

      @@JacobViral2 Happy to help where I can... And yeah, aeroports are a blessing for just such an occasion. I actually have 3 different lengths that I can swap out of my enclosure, depending if I'm wanting more lows or more of an SQ stage; kinda like having a slide whistle as a box, though for my daily basis usage, I tend to keep it as close to my Fs as possible (factoring in box rise).

    • @lowhertzhighspl
      @lowhertzhighspl 3 года назад +1

      Wow would I like to discuss my set-up with this guy!! I have a question.. when using Ohm's Law to find what output voltage to set gain at, lowering impedance (wiring down) increases power but in math when multiplying any decimal number below 1 (ex. 0.7) it results in an answer smaller than if used a higher number/impedance. Meaning, plugging in lower impedance number needs to increase voltage, not lower it as Ohm's Law does, right?

    • @RAW_Reality
      @RAW_Reality 3 года назад +1

      @@lowhertzhighspl You're overcorrecting some in saying that, but as a general statement, yes, that's correct. I say "overcorrecting" because you're using an ohm like a percent, whereas percents are finite numbers and ohms have variables. And, just like multiplying with percentages, saying something is "20% better" _isn't_ multiplying by .2, it's multiplying by 1.2 (or, instead of multiplication, addition is usually simpler and equal to, whereas you can use the +20% that way or as a verification).
      Hopefully, you're not using a run-of-the-mill calculator, and instead something like the one on the keisan.casio.c0m website.

    • @gregl5677
      @gregl5677 3 года назад

      You giving great info. Me an unintelligent.. my brain to me: yep those definitely are words.

  • @mattjonesturbo1
    @mattjonesturbo1 3 года назад +2

    More power and more efficiency without the worry of getting hot= win win in my opinion

  • @asmith8904
    @asmith8904 3 года назад +8

    I would have sold the new 6K and went with one 17K Bass Clef !

    • @tonylanclos3756
      @tonylanclos3756 3 года назад +1

      Two of them 17k

    • @loganmilam4065
      @loganmilam4065 3 года назад +3

      budget friendly is his goal lol those are like 3k lol

    • @mr.2k81
      @mr.2k81 3 года назад +1

      Agree

    • @djjewstavete2325
      @djjewstavete2325 3 года назад

      Awesome video and what you choose bro,where did you get your green belt instead the black belt pls

    • @easylooker
      @easylooker 3 года назад

      Doesn't want to take out a mortgage to buy an amp

  • @tonycarver3801
    @tonycarver3801 3 года назад +7

    I feel like you made the right decision, it’ll be more efficient and less stressful on your electrical wired at 1ohm. Plus you gained on the meter.

  • @consciousconscience912
    @consciousconscience912 3 года назад +1

    I went from a hifonics Brutus 4K to 2 Taramp 3k’s and I like it change. The Brutus was great but the Taramps are mean as hell!!!

  • @brendangardner7639
    @brendangardner7639 3 года назад +1

    You gained you made the right choice I'm also thinking of doing the same thing soon I have a Korean 4k at .5 and want to do two smart 5ks at 1

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад +1

      Thanks and nice that’s a good change 4K to 10k, so basically 8 vs. 10. 👍

  • @TrendyBromando
    @TrendyBromando 3 года назад +1

    Made the right choice definitely for running amps at 1 ohm for daily music. Half ohm for spl burps

  • @1ohmwrecker
    @1ohmwrecker 3 года назад +1

    I did a similar thing as you. Went from half bridge to full bridge with 35% more power. Yeah, its louder. But there's just something I miss about the half bridge. Its just hard to explain.

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад

      I agree with you Scott I really like the korean amp, but the difference outweighed that for me.

  • @famousmoon
    @famousmoon 3 года назад +1

    .5 is a whole diffrent ball park then 1ohm , but I mean it's all about your personal preference as long as your happy with it, me personally I don't like 1ohm or up even tho it works safely lol. I love the diffrence on how subs hit at .5 vs 1

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад +1

      I agree man I was 0.5 ohm korean life for years and this change is gonna be different for me but makes me feel safer for sure.

  • @catch22frubert
    @catch22frubert 3 года назад +1

    I mean, if you were looking to gain on the meter, you definitely made the right decision. Honestly, I feel like 2 Taramps Smart 5k's or MD 8k's might do more power, but I know you would probably need two MD 12k's to really see any difference on the meter. Once you hit a 160+, things start to get difficult and expensive. Honestly, it looks like you have plenty of room to do a 6th order in there, but I'm not sure if it would be louder than you are now. I think a 6th order might just give you a wider bandwidth and make it a better demo vehicle, not a better competition vehicle. I have no idea what you are trying to do with the build. If you are trying to win trophies, leave it as is. If you want it to be a better demo truck, then maybe think about designing a 6th order just to see how it stacks up against the 4th order.

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад

      Thanks catch, the brazilian 8k line of any brand is about the same for full bridge so I'm sure your right with 2 12ks a big jump again lol. My overall goal was to get as loud as possible at the mid 40hz range near peak hence the high ratio 4th order.

  • @seans1102
    @seans1102 3 года назад +1

    I think you made the right decision on the amps only thing i would do is add more lithium to get the voltage drop up and honestly add more port area. Or another possible option is add a second alternator.

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад +1

      Thanks for the idea sean! Right now budgets not set for upgrades but in future for sure additional battery support but sticking one big single alt.

  • @glg_roosterguwop222
    @glg_roosterguwop222 3 года назад +3

    The two amps was the best choice 👌🏿

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад +1

      thanks for watching I agree GLG!

  • @ostube6035
    @ostube6035 3 года назад +4

    Go-Rilla keep up the good work Jacob :-)

  • @TheCustomEverythingChannel
    @TheCustomEverythingChannel 3 года назад +2

    Yea man ya did a good swap I like it

  • @willkimbell3981
    @willkimbell3981 3 года назад +2

    More efficiency, more power, more DBs...of course it was RIGHT CHOICE! I guess how long the amps last will be the big deciding factor right?

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад +1

      I agree Alan time will tell but yea good choice

  • @TheDoozie43
    @TheDoozie43 3 года назад +2

    I’d be curious to see how two Korean board amps at the same wattage would compare. Obviously that’s an expensive and unlikely undertaking lol. Nice work Jacob!

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад +2

      If I had two korean 8k amps vs. these, I would be willing to bet the Brazillian would win slightly as their rated at 12.6 vs. most korean is 13.8-14v but who knows depends on the amp direction tested. Thanks Ryan!

  • @chickenpimp5190
    @chickenpimp5190 3 года назад +1

    I'd say it was the right choice but only time will tell. If the new amps endure the torture then you know you did good.

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад

      I am hoping the amps handle it longterm, your right time will tell thanks chicken!

  • @ametuerbasshead5163
    @ametuerbasshead5163 3 года назад

    Can't blame you about to do the same thing.Was running a Korean amplifier at .5 and about to switch to 2 Brazilians at 1 ohm each.

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад

      Yea man it works out and thanks ametuer.

  • @TheDoozie43
    @TheDoozie43 3 года назад +1

    Get your watts up @ 1ohm I always say. Those ferrules are great! I even use them on remote wires lol.

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад

      Even remote wires lol nice

    • @TheDoozie43
      @TheDoozie43 3 года назад +1

      @@JacobViral2 I’m a bit ocd I guess lol. Every wire going in except for 1/0 to 1/0 brass terminal lugs on power and ground. iLL Kustoms makes them. Shrink tube over the set screw and you’re good! Clean.

  • @jacoblittle3209
    @jacoblittle3209 3 года назад +1

    I hope it was a good idea because I just ordered one of those stetsom 8ks to replace my Toro tech R6. So I should be going from 8k peak to 8k rms. Hope that it's as good as you say

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад +2

      nice Jacob goodluck with the new setup, it'll do good if you take care of it :)

  • @easylooker
    @easylooker 3 года назад

    You made the right decision

  • @holeshotinspectionllc2412
    @holeshotinspectionllc2412 3 года назад +1

    Nothing wrong with gaining🤙

  • @rexnhogz
    @rexnhogz 3 года назад +1

    the Korean at .5 was probably less efficient. I been thinkin about gettin mine off .5 because the amperage draw is nuts. you mite gain a bit with a cap bank after the lithium ??

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад +1

      Yea going from .5 to 1 ohm life again can definitely tell less heat and more comfortable with longer demos. I'm sure extra lithium and cap would help numbers but not too worried about afew tenths with spending abunch of money atm.

  • @bassboyful
    @bassboyful 3 года назад

    you made the right decision MAN 😎😎😎😎

  • @colbydolby6559
    @colbydolby6559 3 года назад

    Potato pototo...its going to be interesting to see how well and how long the stetsoms hold up. Any old shack can stand in the sun Jacob.

  • @Van1018s
    @Van1018s 3 года назад +1

    I personally very much prefer Korean amps. That being said I feel you made the right decision. The numbers say you made the right decision. And no doubt with the amount you demo this is a more reliable set up.

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад +1

      I agree Michael I've been korean only for years and this number difference helped me say nvm I'm keeping it here as my budget allows that atm. Thanks man!

    • @Van1018s
      @Van1018s 3 года назад +1

      @@JacobViral2 for the total wattage you have you’re killin it. You obviously are quite knowledgeable. Just finish that amp rack….please. Put some of that shiny tape on it. Lol. I know you’re an spl guy. Completely respect that. I came from an IASCA sound q background. So I’m old. Lol. Really hope to see you at slamfest. I’ll be showing my latest build there. Been working on it for 9 months. I have a job to so it’s not like that’s 8-10 hours a day, but I’ve got at least 500 hours into it. Hoping for a 65 at 38hz🤞

  • @gianstevens7918
    @gianstevens7918 3 года назад

    I'm not sure if your peak may have gone up because Brazilian amplifiers are often different in filtration circuit, they have no or very high lpf's. Interesting, don't think you made a mistake if you're going for the score. Stetsom amps are very cheap, vulnerable amplifiers and very prone to damage however they have a nice and high class D switching frequency which makes them sound good considering they're Brazilian amps.

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад

      The additional power caused my peak to go from 49 to 50~51 for some reason. I try to always stay below 50.

  • @kevinl3892
    @kevinl3892 3 года назад

    Very impressive!

  • @95Sn95
    @95Sn95 3 года назад

    I think for what you're using it for being SPL I think it was a better choice. Your goal was SQ system maybe the half more ideal? wouldn't make any difference. But I think one of the big aspects is someone of your caliber audio and a lot of people look up to you going more budget oriented it makes the people that can't afford the expensive gear like crescendo not feel ashamed because they don't have the big dollar equipment and in my opinion diminishing returns the more you spend after a certain point. I honestly feel that if you took my cab 45 and put it up an amplifier with the same Wattage but twice the price say sundown or DC you would not be able to tell the difference. Reliability aspect I guess we'll see, I'm not saying a budget Chinese answer has all the same quality components as a expensive Korean but after a certain point you're just paying for the name quite often

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад +1

      Well said thanks waltz! Yea I am on a budget and this worked out for me.

  • @SATANALEX9
    @SATANALEX9 3 года назад

    The 2 Stetson 8ks are a better choice half the price of a 6k crescendo more power at half the price and just as easy to replace when it breaks the Brazilian amp market is coming out with amazing power amplifiers for half or a third of the price I have a Taramps smart 3k running 2 Sundown U-series 10 inch dual 4 ohm subs only paid $256.00 for the amp and it stacks up to amps 3 times the price with the same amount of watts.

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад

      Good point agreed thanks Alex

  • @OnlySubzz
    @OnlySubzz 3 года назад +1

    I run my Bc 8k at .5 daily no issue other then I smoked the 2 12 soundqubed hdx4 subs I got sundown Ns v5 1ws now they seem to want more power but I guess we will see.

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад

      If I had the 8k at half ohm I bet it would be a closer match. Nice amp man!

  • @nvx8k
    @nvx8k 3 года назад +1

    I think you made the right decision with the two amps how let’s add some ultracaps

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад

      thanks Fire, what does ultracaps help for as Im new to that.

    • @fornarnia8
      @fornarnia8 3 года назад

      @@JacobViral2 if watch this video on them. He's entertaining and it's pretty easy to get. ruclips.net/video/rYacdxNIveE/видео.html
      I have 5 banks of super caps and 80ah of lto on one 300amp alt and I really don't get any voltage drop at all on 15k

  • @kimmyn4608
    @kimmyn4608 3 года назад +2

    just love the korean sound tho,, brazilian is loud but my korean is nasty low

    • @Widowmaker2828
      @Widowmaker2828 3 года назад +2

      Brazilian can get just as low. I love both Korean and Brazilian.

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад

      For some reason I didn't see a difference in my low end output going from korean to Brazilian. Nothing changed but amp swap and can tell more power but nothing on frequency surprisingly. Thank Kimmy!

  • @loudishh4590
    @loudishh4590 3 года назад

    I personally would stick with the 2 Brazilian full bridge. If you run them clean they are good amps you just can’t wire sub ohm. Now on the other hand if it was like my situation having a Korean 9k at half ohm probably clamping 9-10k then no I would stick korean just for reliability. But man I love what you’re doing and definitely looking forward to ruckus in a few months!! Even if you don’t bring yours I got something for you to get a demo of!

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад +1

      Thanks Johnny! Yea I plan to make ruckus and hopefully bring the truck to give demos and get demos, see you there either way.

    • @loudishh4590
      @loudishh4590 3 года назад

      @@JacobViral2 yeah im looking forward to it. Hoping to gain a couple dbs by then 😁

  • @anthonyabner5753
    @anthonyabner5753 3 года назад +1

    Yeah we have a whole lot of budget bills. I can’t remember how long but somebody’s mother and father got a second mortgage to do his system I thought that was out rages

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад

      wow that's wild a mortgage for a big system lol thanks Anthony!

  • @fornarnia8
    @fornarnia8 3 года назад +1

    You gained 2 db. Seems like a clear winner.

  • @Joel-mv2jq
    @Joel-mv2jq 3 года назад +2

    I would have purchased another 6k

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад

      So 2 crescendo 6k amps at 1 ohm each vs. the 2 8k brazillians at 1 ohm? Maybe a close call difference for sure

  • @timcouch5005
    @timcouch5005 3 года назад

    Honestly I hate Brazilian or any kind of full bridge amplifier.... But for your situation and what you currently have for power I think that you made the correct decision.

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад

      I am and was the same way, but right now I'm on a budget and works for me. Thanks Tim!

  • @Basshead304
    @Basshead304 3 года назад

    I think the setup you have now with the 2 amps would be better

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад

      agreed thanks Brandon for the feedback!

  • @overpricedsundown
    @overpricedsundown 3 года назад +1

    Hey Jacob how long do you plan on running this current build?

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад

      No plans for this year or next to do any form of major changes plus budget is not on systems atm.

  • @georgesrisomsak9650
    @georgesrisomsak9650 3 года назад

    On second thought, I think you should trade in both your full bridge garbage amps for that super, ultra, mega fancy salt 2k that was just dyno'ed! Talk about value for your $!
    Sundown for LYFE!
    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @moneycat3789
    @moneycat3789 3 года назад

    good idea Jacob viral

  • @lee28.78
    @lee28.78 3 года назад +1

    keep it at 1 om

  • @georgecampos7119
    @georgecampos7119 3 года назад

    Hey Jacob at this point is your call on what you want. I think the 2 Brazilians is way better and compact.

  • @jasenlauver4862
    @jasenlauver4862 3 года назад +1

    Nice build, I just bought a salt 6k and two NS 4 12s. Do you think I will be alright running at a .5 on that amp? I have a 250 ho alternator a 56 ah headway bank, and a northstar sms 220 I have another northstar under hood, and another sms 220 not installed but for back up if you think I need it.

    • @redman4076
      @redman4076 3 года назад

      I'm going to laugh when it smokes melts and shits the bed all because you can't read the manual😂😂😂

    • @jasenlauver4862
      @jasenlauver4862 3 года назад

      I will have it up on vibration isolators that set up 1 1/2 inches about the floor with a DB works fan blowing across it. I wired Nightshades down o the bench and the came out to.4. They duel 2s. I was running a Def Bonce AAk 5.5k on the same electrical that I have now and dipping around 13.8 at full tilt and I know those are very power hungry amps. So I hope with the same electrical o the salt 6 it will do the same.

    • @jasenlauver4862
      @jasenlauver4862 3 года назад

      @60 Is A Slide Show ^

    • @dylanandersen9318
      @dylanandersen9318 3 года назад

      Definitely going to need more lithium.

    • @redman4076
      @redman4076 3 года назад

      @60 Is A Slide Show Lol you Sundown fanboys are such cry babies It absolutely blows my mind when you idiots act all surprised when your ish goes up in smoke Yes it will run at that impedance but you run the risk of it frying WHY RUN THAT RISK 🤦🏽‍♂️

  • @loganmilam4065
    @loganmilam4065 3 года назад +1

    i would've ran banda or a taramps bass, but besides that yes, full bridge is the future i love my full bridge amps they're a little easier to run too

    • @loganmilam4065
      @loganmilam4065 3 года назад +1

      My Banda 15k which is 2x the size as a taramps bass 15k was $1050 or close to it and does 10k at 2ohm 12v and 19k 1ohm 14v. I can literally run this amp down into the 12s and still probably clamp more then a Korean 7500/8k

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад

      Good feedback Logan and great amps as well nice!

  • @brick2077
    @brick2077 3 года назад +1

    8ks are the better choice

  • @HardKnocks160s
    @HardKnocks160s 3 года назад

    Crescendo 13k-17k would give u a nice big gain

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад

      Oh man I considered the 17k but don't got the funds so this works. I'm sure it would break a 165 as mentioned before with the 17k at half.

    • @HardKnocks160s
      @HardKnocks160s 3 года назад +1

      @@JacobViral2 easily I know I would

  • @moneycat3789
    @moneycat3789 3 года назад

    And Jacob viral can you teach people how to wire their subs into different ohmage

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад

      I made afew videos under this playlist on that: ruclips.net/p/PLkYp1Fj-99b0pFNxaohIxCaer8VxQVZ2j

  • @Thumper68
    @Thumper68 3 года назад

    Gains are gains.

  • @moneycat3789
    @moneycat3789 3 года назад

    Put two Fuses on the power and grown

    • @overpricedsundown
      @overpricedsundown 3 года назад

      You dont need fuses when the battery is close to the amp.

  • @moneycat3789
    @moneycat3789 3 года назад

    No way stay with the volkons

  • @adamsinclair6739
    @adamsinclair6739 3 года назад +1

    Sorry but you need to go back to carpentry class

  • @moneycat3789
    @moneycat3789 3 года назад

    Jacob viral how much pounds does those subs way

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад

      HDX4 18 weighs around 65lb

    • @moneycat3789
      @moneycat3789 3 года назад

      @@JacobViral2 Jacob viral how did you manage to get those 65lbs subs in the box

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад

      @@moneycat3789 Just pick them up, use a few 2x4 and scrap wood pieces to leverage underneath the magnet after inserted, then push at the bottom with one hand while screwing with a drive on other. :)

  • @fusiondensity3287
    @fusiondensity3287 3 года назад

    First

  • @georgesrisomsak9650
    @georgesrisomsak9650 3 года назад

    So... You saved $, gained space, gained efficiency, and power output, easier on electrical, run cooler, and play louder...
    Here's my input. Full bridge is the future. Korean boards running into a dead short to get power from them puts the amp at risk, they run hot, blow up, draw tons of power, to make a small gain in wattage. Using current to get watts to your coils makes heat, and is the old fashioned way of making big power. I run Korean boards strapped at 2(1 ea, nominal), they don't make shit for power. Inefficient, heavy fat ass large bitches that are going away to make room for better.
    Amp labelers, (aka "manufacturers") don't want the truth out. Truth is, all the stories of full bridge blowing up and catching on fire, and not able to play lows are strait up old wife's tales. I have several full bridge amps, run them hard af, and all I have got so far is reliability, big power and extra $ in my pocket.
    Give it a few years if we all make it that far. The old tech Koreans will be holding the shit bag at that point. You wait and watch. Just the facts. Old school half bridge Korean stuff is dinosaur technology, out dated and behind the times for decades now. Korean half bridge ampd make "manufacturers" $. Full bridge makes huge, clean power, and saves you $, and saves $ again on electrical. Just the facts. I'm a lover of old school car audio, big time. I grew up in it. But times change, as well as technology. Time to get current, you half bridge sales driving, old bastards! I used to be a promoter of half bridge. Then I tried a few new amps, and couldn't be happier. Glad to not give my $ away. It's old technology, It's been due for retirement.

    • @JacobViral2
      @JacobViral2  3 года назад +1

      lots of words mentioned, I appreciate it george!

    • @georgesrisomsak9650
      @georgesrisomsak9650 3 года назад +1

      @@JacobViral2 I appreciate your videos. I have got a tremendous amount of ideas and learned quite a bit from your channels. We all appreciate what you do bass brudda!