I honestly barely remember the show - my main gripe is that THE LIONS SHOULD HAVE BEEN SACRIFICED INSTEAD OF ALLURA!!! The symbol of peace sacrificing itself for the greater good + the lions leave anyway?!?!?! IT'S SO OBVIOUS AND MADE SO MUCH MORE THEMATIC SENSE!!!!! Also I remember the marketing was super misleading on a lot of things when it came to this show :(
Especially since the show started with them finding the lions it would have been so satisfying and have a message of like "voltron isn't the lions, it's the people" kinda. yk?
I like this ending and it’s good, but I remember that in the beginning how they said that Voltron was this super strong thing for good, and I just think that if in the future they need Voltron it wouldn’t have Voltron if Voltron sacrifices themselves
They did my man Shiro dirty. Man got demoted to supporting cast and then got the He got married ending with a nameless character. Lance got screwed over the most. He basically never got over Allura's death and spends the rest of his days just not doing anything new or meaningful with his life.
I only watched S1 and I felt Lance's ending was by FAR the worst and most forced. Why was he so broken up about it, forever? Made him seem super pathetic and whiney when he never had that at the beginning of the series
They made Shiro gay... but they fridge the gay, 6 feet under when they killed Adam... And has the gall to show Shiro marrying another man in the end. I mean, good for Shiro for moving on, but where's the slow burn? Their relationship timeline? It would be fine if they show him dating at the finale. NOPE, they just straight jump to a wedding!
@@trickthemisfit3256it was a CYA measure to cover for the bad press they had rightfully earned for hyping up Adam's importance. I can't say I believe there was a huge section of fans who were THAT devastated that he died as Tumblr claimed but it was still pretty shitty to mislead ppl like that. Like Negative Legend,I didn't even realize Adam had died or had even appeared in the show a second time before the memorial.
ok but you forgot that the producers hyped up adam SO MUCH in a con panel before season 7 so the backlash over his 3 second screentime before his death was.... very much deserved and understandable😭
@@TailsFani'm talking about every adam appearances (including the memorial where shiro sees his name) and his relationship and/or significance to shiro in general
I was thinking this too. If they hadn't confirmed Adam and Shiro's relationship until after S7, people still would have been upset about the small screen time and quick death I think, but not nearly to the degree that it blew up into.
Yeah I specifically remember seeing a trailer that basically said "You'll get to know Adam, Shiro's boyfriend this season!" Being mildly confused because it felt completely out of left field but pleasantly optimistic despite also feeling a bit icky about the marketing kind of feeling like a "LOOK! GAYS! *Jangles keys* LGBTQ community come watch it we have gay people! You like that!" Then my mild confusion turned into severe disappointment because bury your gays, and also because Adam, hyped up as he was by the marketing team had virtually no screen time. Like dude what, you can't just hype this man up so hard and promise that we'll get to know him then have him have 30 seconds of screen time in the entire season! Let alone kill him off after what? Ten/Fifteen of those seconds? That's nuclear levels of whack right there.
I personally didn't like Lance/Allura not just because it was rushed, but because they did not feel like a healthy couple. First, Allura only started showing interest in Lance after her breakup with Lotor, a time where she was extremely emotionally vulnerable. It felt like she was using him as a distraction instead of dealing with the betrayal. Second, Lance's character seemed to regress back to the more toxic traits he had in season 1. In the carnival episode he says "I've always been good at winning prizes," while smirking to Allura. Implying he sees her as a prize that he's won, instead of as a person. He never has a chance to really reflect on this and realize that he was in the wrong. And third, the show seemed to be leading towards the two breaking up. Their climactic kiss scene happens in the first episode of the season, which is an odd choice for what is meant to be the final couple. Then, in the same episode Lance has his "prize" line, we have that vision of Lotor convincing Allura to use the dark magic, showing she still has conflicting feelings towards him. And later, Lance sides with Allura's father and criticizes her for her method of defeating Honerva. In any other show, this would be the point where the main couple fight and break up. I personally think it would be really refreshing to have none of the heroes (especially the female lead) paired off with each other. But no, they had to do the obvious option. Anyway, thank you for coming to my ted talk. (Also, it's been a few years since I've watched the show, so please correct me if I got any details wrong. I was like 16 at the time, so I probably missed some things lol.)
Basically how I felt, I like I can never say anything because I did ship klance but not in the toxic way, just the I like this ship and I'm saving some fan art way since I barely used social media at the time and didn't have Tumblr I would only hear through the grapevine how toxic it was 😅 and I genuinely would've been fine with Lance and Allura but I can never get that one scene were the mice tell Allura Lance likes her and she looks disheartened because she doesn't and likes Lotor out of my head, Lance felt like a rebound for Allura because she was emotionally vulnerable after having her heartbroken, like you said Lance doesn't appear to have learnt anything and it just feels like going backwards for a relationship that lacked development, Lance stops flirting with her in like season 3 and this would've been the time to maybe show Allura having romantic feelings towards Lance, you could then throw Lotor in as like a spanner in the works type thing but then have Allura realise Lance has been there the whole time and she's loved him for a long time instead of her just somewhat randomly agreeing to a date with him in the last season. 🥲
I'm glad someone else clocked that about where in the season that kiss happened. I was never that invested in the pairing but I knew then and there they weren't gonna last
I wish they would have been besties at the beginning of the series. Lance teaching her to chill(have some fun) and her teaching him to also chill(be a bit more responsible) lol
@LikaLaruku There was and you're right it didn't but Voltron Force (2011) did somewhat reconfirm it and it did seem to be mutual attraction, Lance and Allura still feels one sided to me since they never seemed to show Allura liking Lance back. That one episode in season 6 where the mice tell her Lance is into her and she seems disheartened because she doesn't feel that way solidified to me she didn't only then to flip 2 seasons later with no real build up to them being in love. 😅
lance and allura was so annoying to me too bc i feel like the end just tried to rob allura of all her agency when she started with so much and was such a good character but then she became a plot point to die to get to the ending like srsly 🙄 i hate the trope of ‘woman who has been rejecting man throughout the entire show is finally *worn down* by him by the ending’ idk tho
@@noname-mi2weit's funny you say that because once they actually did get together, Lance was shoved into the background and given all the development of a shounen battle anime love interest. I was one of those people who thought the Lance stans whining in the early seasons were being paranoid, but season 8? Bruh. Even Hunk got a more satisfying ending.
The bad part about Shiro and Adam for me wasn't what was in the show, but instead the promotional material. There were banners of Shiro and Adam together for promotion which was kind of upsetting considering Adam immediately got killed off and tbh the way I remember the whole ordeal really didn't have an impact on Shiro as a character. Now, that's no reason for the amount of hate and harassment people working on Voltron got at the time, but that's what was the salt in the wound for me personally.
Pretty sure there was a whole official tweet made about how season 7 would be introducing Shiro’s love interest Adam, and really made it sound like it’d be a big focus, too. Superrr queerbait-y
Hey! Person who never interacted with the fandom, but who watched the show here. Voltron felt weirdly traumatizing for me -- which feels like it should be insane to say, but every time i see it in a thumbnail or title, my mood is immediately killed and i actually have trouble engaging with the content. For me, it was watching the fun, high-potential story about a space found family (with promised diverse and LGBT rep from the show runners) devolve into a group of people that genuinely seemed to dislike each other. Hunk and Pidge and Lance were downright mean to eachother starting in s4, and never improved. Keith was written out if the show for two seasons, and then his arc about learning how to accept love instead of rumning from it... happened in a TWO YEAR OFFSCREEN TIMESKIP. You covered what happened to Shiro lol. And Allura randomly fell for Lance despite outright rejecting him for the whole show, knowing about his feelings and still choosing Lotor, and then just dued because of undefined space magic? Plus Lotor's character assassination was just yikes. Shiro gets married to an unnamed background character with no dialogue lines. Lance, the Cuban, becomes a FARMER -- which he expressed zero interest in -- instead of achieving his dream of being a successful pilot??? That felt actually racist. As a writer, the decisions made starting in s4 baffled me, then bored me, then pissed me off, and finally made me feel empty about this ragtam space family i adored in the first two seasons. It felt like i was watching spiteful writers slowly kill off my favorite characters in every way that they could. It legitimately felt like someone at the top actually hated the viewers so much, they tried to do the worst things they could get away with to the narrative. I remember literally ADHD ranting to my sister for 90 minutes straight after the ending about all of the dropped character arcs, the plot holes, the terrible shipping, and the insulting ending. I've never quite felt that level of pissed since, but i imagine its probably how GoT fans felt after their ending.
"no dialogue lines", that's false. Shiro's future husband (Curtis) has MANY dialogue lines, try rewatching it and looking for him in both season 7 and season 8.
@@TailsFan I should be clearer, my bad. I meant he and Shiro didn't share any dialogue lines building their relationship. He has a lot of throwaway dialogue lines about the ship's condition, I think he made a comment in a few of the meetings about the war effort, and I have a vague memory of him having a single line with Axca about something.
SAMEEEEEEE I really hated that they didnt explore more Black paladin Keith crisis more, like they brought shiro back the next season I didnt even miss him xd
@@taylerwatts4343 I'll give you that, they didn't bond as a couple but he actually had some pretty big moments, like when he used his skills as Communications Officer to know when Zethrid's lackey was posing as Keith on the radio and Voltron was in trouble.
I think Smidges brother not being dead was one of the most frustrating aspects of the show for me. It added to the character bloat and they did nothing interesting with it. Actually having to confront that loss would have been something... but nope we have an easy out.
@@itsstargirl18 Some Patreon members get early access to the videos. The video was probably uploaded 4 months ago but as an unlisted video. When you make an unlisted video public, it'll set the time of it going public as the upload time.
By the 7-8th season I said point blank to my friends That i did not BELIEVE these characters were friends or even coworkers. They talked and acted like they were supposed to be close but their interactions felt shallow and that they had nothing going for them. The previous fun things of either fun jabs at one another or even the rivalry of Kieth n Lance (smth that gave them the chemistry ppl clinged onto so much) was just missing and made for all of them to be bland and uninteresting when put in a room
I had the same feeling too. The show went downhill for me with season 3 onwards with the increased focus on plot elements that made character focus take a back seat. The character focus was reduced to small moments here and there instead of being the focus of entire episodes. By the time we got to season 7, the moments there just fell flat for me. Them reminding each other of their friendship when they were lost in space, or Keith encouraging the team when ultra Voltron was depowered and stuck, these just didn't have the impact they should've had.
the show had the gall to have a scene between keith and lacen that can be interpreted as romantically coded and keith saying how proud he is of how far lance has come when they haven't properly spoken to each other in like 4 seasons. like, as a klancer, i'll take what i can get, but it was in no way earned and left such a sour taste in my mouth
I literally screamed when Keith was killed off. Awful choice by the writers that really hinders what could’ve been an amazing series finale. Same with Lance.
I feel like the marketing of the show had a large part in the backlash. Rainbow Netflix headers and constant ship-bait RUclips compilations on the official channel made a lot of people feel like what was fine or inoffensive in the show was actually just. Real attempts at baiting. Plus, calling Adam Shiro’s lover is almost a stretch. We see them have like, one conversation that barely points toward what relationship they have. The only way a lot of people knew what was supposed to be going on with them was the announcement and rainbow marketing for the season.
The discourse over Allura’s sacrifice didn’t have to do with whether she was a good character or not. It’s disheartening and mean to see a dark skinned woman finally get portrayed in a series and her ending is that she gets to be a sacrifice for everyone else’s sake. A fate that is shared by many many many black women. It’s so hard for me to recall black women in animated series getting any sort of recognition or important role. Watchers finally get one and she ends up dying in the most cliche way possible. And I’m not talking cliche in the animated series sense. I’m talking cliche in the “oh of course the black women dies. Of course she doesn’t get a happy ending. What else should I expect.” The death wasn’t meaningful in any way, at least to me. It was just sad because I’ve seen this story already countless times in real life and now I’m just seeing it again.
Real and true, I hope Negative sees this and it helps them understand the POC woman perspective a bit more. I enjoyed it in story but from a critical eye it's fair to be judged.
Yes, even to this day we don't get many characters like her and throughout the whole show it was just heartbreak after heartbreak for her nonstop, they should have given her a light at the end of the tunnel for all the pain she's been through, but it was just another sacrifice in the end.
It’s difficult to explain their reasoning without knowing they had at one point intended for a big finale movie, only for the show’s lack of money and Uber-toxic fandom putting the kibosh on it. When the LA Voltron happens, Allura will probably be a blonde again.
I might be remembering this wrong, but wasn't Lotor basically raised by his governess? That's where he got the accent from. He spent pretty much 0 time with his family since they sent him away - or at least that's what was implied?
Great videos series, I really enjoyed it. The problem with Allura's sacrifice isn't that she was a women of color. It's because women of color having to die/sacrifice themselves for the other characters is a common trope in popular media that happens a lot. The same way how it's a trope for a black person being killed in a horror movie, or how if there's a gay love story it will end with one of them dying. It's a trope that's been used too many times. (Also in buzzfeed interviews after season 8, the show runners said how they had wanted to kill off Hunk and have Acxa take over the yellow lion but got told no. Take that as you will.) Anyway, thanks for making it! Can't wait to see your next video.
So many, many problems on this show could've been solved by people working on the show learning when to shut up. Absolutely no one deserves the amount of harrassment that they got from shitty fans, full stop. But it's not a coincidence that Josh Keaton stopped getting hate mail and threats to call CPS the minute he stopped discussing shipping.
I think a reason why there was so much out cry for Alluras death is that, we do not get enough WOC genuine perspectives, esp at that time. I remember Steven Universe having good rep too but thats it. I know it is a fictional setting, but still, seeing a main character like her was nice. I'm white myself, but growing up I was surrounded by people of many backgrounds and cultures. And seeing all the different backgrounds and diversity with the characters and show was awesome! Allura stood out to me though, she was cool but such a sweetheart, so kind and caring, and one of the few darkskin girls i actually saw on screen, that wasn't a background or side character. While a lot of the fandom was about shipping ( basically just keith, lance and shiro), Allura was always respected. People loved her, she was the iconic space girl. But her death was like a punch to the gut, I understand it was a sacrifice, but there is so much more to it than that. Why not the lions? Why not Shiro, the leader of the group? It just didn't make sense, she didn't deserve it. Maybe if the buildup was developed more, but it just came so out of left field. It also is not okay since how so many woc just get killed off, and sacrificed. And its just, its sad. It is really really sad, Allura brought the team together, she was awesome, and they just killed her. It sucks to see something like this. Women of color have be brutilized and hurt and killed for other character. Yes the representation is awesome in the show! It is beautiful! But why her? It feels like there was no plan. Just kill the girl. Its been years and I still think of how terrible this show ended. I wasn't even into the fandom that much, but I know we all felt how wrong it was Sorry for the mini rant, Allura is my fav voltron character and her death is just, heartbreaking.
Shipping may have ruined the show, but Keith will forever be my punching bag for the show turning into "The Adventures of Keith, starring Keith (and the rest too, I guess)"
@@pencilbuddyinc7782 We didn’t even know his dad’s name! or anything about him or his relationship with his own mother that’s how bad his story arc is.
His leadership arc being utterly destroyed by going off and doing the Blades thing and basically living in his own mini-show was so bad. That should have been a small arc where he returns and comes into his own as a leader, and interacts with the rest of his team, which is the whole point of the "power of friendship and teamwork robot space fighter" show!
"Oh yeah Keith, you're part of this super important team of people who are the chosen ones to pilot these super robots that make a bigger robot that's the ONLY thing to potentially save the whole galaxy, and if anyone is unable to pilot a lion or form the robot then the odds of winning this seemingly unwinnable war get SUPER BAD, and with you being the new Black Paladin, you have the awesome responsibility of being the leader and - oh, he's already gone...cool."@@prokyonidae
The thing with Adam is that Netflix and the showrunners made a big deal about him. When season 7 came out they had shiro and Adam all over. They were literally the thumbnail of the show for that season. The advertising was shiro and Adam with some rainbows in the background. Then the man just suddenly dies off screen. Why did they make such a big deal about Adam if they were just going to do him dirty like that?
I remember keeping up with Voltron and feeling completely disheartened by the finale. The desire for big stakes and battles left little room for the characters I grew to love.
I can't believe all the Paladins died! The mecha fan in me loves the fact that their ship randomly transforms into another giant robot, but you are not wrong that it undercuts what should be the primary focus. Now that I think about it, that would of been the perfect time to toss in a refrence to "Vehicle Force Voltron". Would of been a clever nod to classic Voltron fans. Not sure how'd you would rationalize humans being able to their own Voltron, but they clearly didn't care about making believable power scaling.
@ShadowEclipex They could have pulled a Pacific Rim and have humanity build their own Voltron. Granted vehicle Voltron Force would have been a... Controversial decision especially considering that there'd be a section of fans who would find vehicles to be a let-down compared to the five sentient robot lions. Remember the backlash that power rangers turbo went through.
@ShadowEclipex That doesn't mean that the concept of "vehicle Voltron Force" couldn't have been done well and could have actually been good. The problem I feel that would have faced the series would have been the lack of the old cast being involved and acting as mentors to the new team.
i can't believe all the paladins died. it was such a bold move to end the show with the entire main cast dying like that, i don't think i've ever seen another show do that before
The game show & space madness episodes were weird. They never question their team/family/friend dynamic before but all the sudden they didn't see each other as friends?!
Let's just say as a black woman/femme (people that look like me) in fiction don't tend to have a happy ending in canon or fanfiction. Their ships are usually underdeveloped by the writers or invalidated by the fandom. And it's hard to have most of the fandom headcannon a black woman/femme as asexual or a 'I don't need no man' type of person even if they're canonly not this way. Also Allura sacrificing herself for the team it's very reminiscent of the 'Magical Negro' trope (think Bonnie in the vampire diaries) Allura's use of magic help move the plot along more than once and when needed she died for the plot as well. With all of this being said characters like this are seen as black because most black fans see themselves in their stories
I was so excited to have a dark skinned pastel woman in a show. When she died, I paused the show and sobbed my eyes out. I made the mistake of going online to see how other people felt, but everyone was too focused on Lance's ending and Shiro's new husband to care. I even saw an artist I admired say that she was happy Allura died, because she shipped her with Lotor. Her lack of compassion for WOC's perspective really hit me hard. In the end I feel like it's my own fault for getting attached to a character that a random company made. I think it's a good lesson to everyone, that if you want content that properly represents you, you should find an indie creator that looks like you.
saying you're happy allura died because you shipped her with lotor is actually insane. i ship them too, but i would've preferred it if they were both alive??? allura wasn't my favourite character, but since she was the "girly girl" of the group i always felt protective of her since those types of characters always tend to get a lot of undeserved shit, and the way she was handled throughout the show made me so angry. if anyone in the show deserved a happy ending it was her!!
Allura was a good representation for BIPOC girls who were watching the show. I mean, she was a badass magical space princess with a cool story (until a certain point) and design! I loved how both black and indigenous women could relate to her due to, even her people was genocided, she found a reason to keep fighting and turn the universe into a better place. Her death was just unfair
I was only in the community on Instagram just happily liking art and watching the show so I didn’t have the crazy toxic stan experience most people did. But I was a huge Klance shipper. It just made sense to me. I loved all the potential the story had and the character dynamics and the creativity it sparked in people. I think the moment I realized the show was going nowhere was when they killed of Lotor. Like the set up for him was really fun but it just never payed off. To me I’ll always love the first few seasons. But I’ve never been able to bring myself to watch the last 2. They’re just really not entertaining when you know where the show ends up. I’m still pissed they killed of Allura, it should have been the LIONS. Since Voltron gets retired anyways they should have gotten their happily ever after. I don’t even care if Allura and Lance became end game (kinda always figured it was gonna go that way since it’s just very heteronormative for the bossy lady to like the man child). I wanted all these characters to actually feel connected. But by the end? It didn’t make sense why any of these characters liked one another.
As someone who shipped plance,it was so funny how the Plance part of the fandom was the only part where they were literally calm even after the finale :P
I get that young queer people are desperate for representation, but we need to stop babying them. A teenager should know that it's not ok to harass people because of cartoon relations
For real, though. There's a ton of queer filmmakers and artists who devote their time to representative works. DreamWorks....? Don't expect that from them 😂😂😂 come on, kids.
Like if the show wanted , just make keith gay, not with lance or shiro, but like it could explore at least his character more, and let shiro be free to not shoulder that. And give keith a catboy love interest on his adventures with mom?! And yeah keith should gave gotten that fun galra love interest catboy for real,not lothor ok, and shiro, i just can him stay dead if the other paladins and keith get developement
@@henotic.essencewe got kipo and the age of wonderbeasts from them. They had Ben who was gay and ended up getting a boyfriend. And it made sense it wasn’t just thrown in there for the sake of quick queer representation. Ben was a kid on the surface and Troy was in the burrow city so when they got together it made sense. Bc they both were going to live in the borrow/with the human/mute group. We might even get more if kipo gets greenling for more content. So there is hope for dreamworks lgbt representation.
You're absolutely right but two things can be true at once. There was an unprecedented amount of fandom harrassment well before these last two seasons but the higher ups who thought they were eating by hyping up a guy with 90 seconds of screen time were only throwing more fuel over a nuclear reactor meltdown. And even worse, the execs at DW and/or WEP weren't the ones having to deal with these rabid fans up front and personal--the VAs did. Lauren Mongomery and Joaquim dos Santos did. So too did any other person who was known to work on the show. It wasn't pretty for any of them.
I remember when I realized that they were making Sendak the main villain for an entire season, and my immediate reaction was "Really? This guy's the big bad?" Then all the paladins just died the next season.
I was forced to watch the first season of Voltron because my friends were desperate for us to rp ships from the show. From the very beginning, Voltron's pacing felt too... quick. They barely lingered on an emotional moment or let you process anything. It felt like I was watching a show for kids. I wish I could have enjoyed the show, but I really couldn't. Watching your deep dives just helped me reflect on that. I was curious to hear how the show went after the first season. More power to the folks that loved the series
I mean...even for a show made for kids, it was pretty bad writing wise 😂 pretty much every kid show after ATLA has had planning and pacing and most have never blundered them the way this show did. I'd say _Star Vs. the Forces of Evil_ comes closest to matching VLD but... honestly, that show at its peak was genuinely good, with strong characters and motivations before the creator decided to turn it all about shipping to the point that even shippers themselves got annoyed. VLD OTOH...even at its best, the characters all had very thin characterization and motivations and never got much more than what we saw of them in the pilot. Between than and the online toxicity, what was left to keep anyone around at the end of it?
One of the best parts of this show in my opinion is that you had a father, mother, and son who all got their chance to be the main antagonist. Can anyone name another show that did that?
"When you make everything big, then they all just feel the same." This is also, incidentally, one of the main problems with the Michael Bay Transformers movies. Giant Robots corrupt people more than Quintessence ever could, it seems. 🍵
As much as I like Lotor as a character it really annoys me that the show fails to be keep my attention when he is not around. If it wasn't for this character the series might have just remaind a standard good vs evil plot with a monster of the week formula.
same, stopped watching when he wasn't in the show anymore. It was such a waste of time to get invested into a character that arguably had such a fire introduction and was brimming with potential, just to get him killed off.
@@opaloparu6048 It's like the problem I had with Catra in She-Ra. I love Catra's story but I hate the fact the writers were over reliant on her to cause drama and progress the plot. (1) Sometimes it feel like Catra is the only villain taking the war seriously and making progress to win it. (2) Catra kept going back and forth on being a good and bad guy. So many times Catra told Adora I'm done with you and yet she always keep coming back to help her. (3) Catra has also done to many things to be redeemed. If the writers wanted her to redeem herself they should have made join the heros as soon as possible. Also wasn't it annoying how empty the Horde felt empty? When I was watching the show I kept wondering where are all generals leading armies into battle.
@@lesterwilliamsjr649 haven't really watched she-ra, but yeah, in my opinion, I don't think much was really concluded. The Galra had been ruling for thousands of years, I wish there was a portion of the show dedicated to rebuilding or something. Like that doesn't just all disappear because of allura's sacrifice, or the finale was so crazy that it just makes a different timeline where everything is fine and dandy? Idk, the more I think about the ending it confuses me. Even more than finding the possible motivation Lotor might've had for farming the altean's quintessence unethically. I'm sorry, but the twist reveal of the colony will NEVER make sense to me. If you think about it for 5 seconds it's like "Oh my- that's horrible!" but the more and more you think about it, the less sense it makes. I'll probably elaborate in another comment to go over everything that in my opinion just doesn't fit.
Last two seasons of Voltron felt like it tried be an anime war drama like mobile suit Gundam. But, it took inspiration from Gundam F91, seed destiny, and Age which those are probably the worst of the Gundam franchise.
@bearerofbadnews1375 There was a much worse season of Gundam and it was iron-blooded orphans season 2. The ending is what really ticked off the entire fandom because it basically ends with all of our heroes (minus some of the female characters) dying and the villains actually surviving and who won. The villains themselves weren't even good villains in fact they have to be the most annoying villains in the entire Gundam series. Gundam 00 Season 2 also had the exact same problem where the story of the first season was wrapped up and our heroes had basically won. Only for a second season to happen and reverse a lot of the things that were achieved at the end of the first season and receive one of the worst endings in Gundam.
@bearerofbadnews1375 Gundam must be curse or something because the first half of their shows are just soo good meanwhile the second to third half are the WORST. The main story is almost always finished up and there is an already written satisfying ending with there being no need for a continuation. The most recent Gundam series had the exact same problem where the first half was good, while the 2nd and 3rd half was the worst.
As someone who watched the "original" Voltron, i.e. the Frankensteining of two different anime into a dubbed cartoon, seeing the whole Netflix series unfold was both heartening and depressing. They touched on so many good ideas and concepts for the characters and the IP itself, but flailed horrendously at the most basic tenants of good storytelling that it made everything past season 3 a serious drag to get through. Shiro's multiple passes of false and compromised identity, Keith's unwillingness to be a leader, and Lance, Pidge, and Hunk only getting the most sporadic of character focus compared to them and Allura made even the most epic set pieces feel like distractions rather than capstones. The characters really didn't "go" anywhere compared to where they started, and everything that happened could have been compressed into five seasons at MOST. I don't think the IP will be able to mount a return any time soon thanks to how it all panned out.
I think the Adam problem was also we never heard shiro said he was missing anybody. And Keith never mentions Adam ether. Bro came out of nowhere and died that same ep
Shows like Steven Universe, She-Ra ATPOP, and Voltron LD all have something common that I really don't like which is they ignore the reality of war by suggesting that it's easy to forgive an enemy that someone was fighting a war against. If your going to have an action series that has a war its important to have a villain that is punished as a result of there actions in the war.
I think that personally the reason why the ending felt so bad was the just complete lack of stakes and poor execution There were good ideas but by the end they would either rush to the good stuff with nothing in between or drag out the stuff that was less interesting/important They couldn’t seem to find that balance past season 3
Another element of what made that episode of them drifting through space so bad is how it had a whole scene where the paladins yell at each other and question if they're even a team after all this time. You mentioned in an earlier part that earlier seasons weren't doing a good job of treating the core cast as a team, and this episode was just the ultimate example of it. It's like.... really? This late into the show, and we still aren't supposed to know if the team actually even care for each other? How.
God, right? This was the type of episode that should have aired by the end of season 3 at the latest. Hell, given how Shiro was completely missing from that episode, I have to wonder if this was originally meant to be earlier in the show but TIIC were so attached to this idea that they stuck it in anyway. Either way, the fact that such a question was needed that late into the series....big oof.
Yeaaaaahhhh…no, the ending is never gonna not suck and it retroactively made it impossible for me to ever watch the early seasons. It’s not necessarily because Allura died; as you said, sacrificing herself is incredibly noble. It’s that Haggar was so ludicrously overpowered through the whole last season, easily conquering everything and everyone over and over and it came completely out of nowhere. Everyone lost all season long to such a degree that the eventual last-second victory felt like defeat too. I have nothing but bad feelings towards the show (and btw, this is coming from someone who was totally outside the whole toxic fandom, so that’s nothing to do with it).
I've never watched this show, however I do remember hearing of the Adam incident. Apparently, the producers bragged about having gay rep in the show and how the LGBT+ community was going to get a big treat. But when the episodes aired and it turned out it was the "Burry Your Gays" trope, people got understandably mad. Then the producers turned around and started crying that this was all Dreamworks would allow them to do. But then Dreamworks came out and basically said "WE SPECIFICALLY TOLD YOU NOT TO DO THIS!!!"
I remember that and it was hilarious The VLD reaction was so bad that the She-Ra creators put out a tweet saying they'd already completed the show and to not get mad at them (not that they needed to, everyone was pretty happy with Catradora)
For Negative Legend regarding Allura's death if it is considered "Racist" or not: So as an AFAB queer nonbinary person of color, the claims of racism is not THAT unfounded, considering that Allura is a GREAT women of color character on screen and I do agree that it could have been way more impactful if there were other women of color characters! But the fact is she is the only one, and it feels weird to see her be the one who never gets her happy ending yet arguable did the most work to save the entire universe. Like ok once again women of color are doing the most work and once again they get the arguably unhappy ending. (Doesn't help she is also a woman of color with "magic that no one can comprehend but can help support the cast who aren't women of color either). I do not think it is direct, intentional racism as some have accused the writers of, and it would be unfair to the writers to assume they would be that malicious about it. HOWEVER, I do think there is unconscious racism going around, because we could have had more women of color in the show that aren't antagonists for a show of *checks notes* 7-8 seasons, but instead the only main one is the one who died and never got a happy ending where she isn't dealing with war and isn't dealing with Altean extinction and whatnot. Hunk and Lance who have darker skin tones compared to Keith and Shiro (who are both men of color) and Pidge (who is the only white character on the team) didn't get their deep character story arcs either, so there could be unconscious colorism bias happening. Do I think its that severe of a claim? No, but its still sus that they had all these chances for deep women of color characters like Allura but never did. Then again the writing of show is just NOT GREAT. They fridged a gay character that they hyped massively as severely important to the story, alot of other characters were implied queer but only if you squint really hard, as mentioned Hunk and Lance who have darker skin tones are also characters that were treated more as a joke side character without their own heavy story arcs. And like, to use your identity as a comparison, like, let's say its a queer white character in a cast of straight characters and yes they had a deep character arc but they're still the only one who died sacrificing themself so all the straight characters have their happy endings. I can't claim on your behalf if you would be miffed, but as a queer person I would at least say man I wish there was more queer characters so the ending doesn't feel as sad or as terrible as someone of a marginalized group. Anyways there are my two thoughts as someone who dropped the show around season 5-6 and was not involved in the fandom outside of perusing Tumblr on a surface level whenever the show trended. And I am just one person with one set of experiences, so don't take my word as the gospel please but rather just one view of everything that went down. PS: These are just my thoughts, if you have conflicting thoughts please be respectful about them, this is mostly my opinion based on my own life experiences as A SINGULAR AFAB nonbinary queer person of color, so my thoughts may not align with yours, I just don't want to be hate crimed when I wanted to share my thoughts with Negative Legend in the comments. Thank you very much for understanding, and I thank you for your time and consideration if you did read this whole comment!
Honestly, if they hadn't included that bizarre "here's where they are now" clip show at the end, I still wouldn't have liked the ending per se (Allura's sacrifice needed to be set up better imo; it felt like an arbitrary solution for the sake of an easy gut punch since they either broke or stopped explaining the rules so often in S7 & 8 that I had no sense of what the possible solutions on the table even were anymore) but I wouldn't have hated it to the degree that I did. That last image with the lions flying off into space with the Allura constellation in the background was a decent enough note to end on, and a beautiful image if nothing else. Shiro's wedding, on the other hand, rang so incredibly hollow and insulting to me that I couldn't even view it as a superficial win.
Having all of the Paladins die immediately after Shiro confesses his love for Keith and gets sent to space super hell was an interesting writing decision.
I got that reference and I’ve never watched a minute of that show, it was THAT big of a deal 😂 I also think it goes to show how Voltron went that lowkey why does that unironically sound like something they’d have done to Shiro 💀 I mean, THEY KINDA DID, and Shiro didn’t even have to say it himself bc god forbid a war veteran and POW have emotions,, but through a shared trauma and noble devotion he managed to bond closely with the Black Lion, who gave up her former Paladin for him, who saved his life where anyone else would’ve died. It was genuinely the most meaningful connection of any two characters I felt in the show, and had such potential. He made that meaningful connection and then got killed off, and when he comes back, THEY ERASED THAT BOND. In order to have their nostalgic OG team the writers literally say off-screen that it was wiped. We didn’t even get a “thank you for everything” to Black, and clearly Shiro can’t even recall anything about that bond, bc he just. Doesn’t mention it. Ever. You can so clearly tell he wasn’t meant to be in the show at some points lmao and they,, somehow,, didn’t plan for a well-developed character to be LIKED on a kid’s show that COULD NEVER JUST WRITE HIM OUT (like, if this was GOT, it wouldn’t be a biggie lmao) 💀 Keith also tells Shiro he loves him, his brother, his salvation, and then that clone dies horribly (agonisingly mind-controlled and probably thinking he’d killed his friends. He hurt Keith) with no further mentions. They don’t even bring up that fight. Holy quiznakking fu*k they treated him worse than soggy rag doll that a Doberman puppy got its teeth on Oh and did I mention the fact he seems to have no one left for him on Earth. No mentions of family, or friends outside of pre-established characters. There was that one guy,, idk what his name was,, uhhh Adidas idk but I don’t know if they were close from that one interaction we got 🤔 Anyways that guy got murdered lmao
The weird magic and the eldritch stuff was just weird. Everything felt like a stretch and didnt mean anything. The way they just dropped Lotor. He still mentioned, but he feels more like a plot device later on after his death. Lance was a rebound, no debate in that. They never really addressed Lotor's ideology in why did what he did. Like did he even need the quintessence from Alteans? You can harvest that stuff through other means. I would have been interesting to see how he justified his actions. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few debates are interesting to see how each side tries win philosophically.
I personally have a theory, which I put in one of my fics, that Lotor wasn't actually wanting to hurt them and he took "compatible" Alteans because Haggar found out about his little "side project" and blackmailed him into giving her some of the Alteans so she wouldn't tell the Emperor and get the whole thing destroyed. They never even tried to get Lotor's side of the story.
I also lowkey forgot that Adam had any amount of significance so when Shiro had his scene at the memorial, I was so confused. And am I the only one who thought the IGF-Atlas robot's design was so goofy lookin?? 😂😂
I can't believe all the Paladins died. But it was a fitting ending. As someone who watched the show not knowing about the fanbase, I loved the show. Then again, I was like, 10 when the show ended and back then I didn't have very good understanding of quality.
The fandom was crazy. But criticizing the messy and forced writing + the fact that the show runners patted themselves on the back and advertised queer rep only to give us the mess that was Adam and Shiro is valid. The original creator left the show at one point and it shows. Dos Santos and Montgomery fumbled a lot
Honestly, as someone who watched the whole show and didnt rlly interact with the fandom (i did see all the shipping stuff online for some time and it annoyed me and i came to realize that it would benefit my mental health more to just, not interact with pretty much any fandom, ever, so i disappeared from social media haha), I barely remember anything from the show, nothing rlly impacted me, for me it was just some silly show abt giant space robots and space magic later ig, where, as u said, when the tension is constantly tried to be kept high, it just fizzles out. I think the most fun things for me were the fight scenes, and my favorite characters were Pidge and Hunk, so, yeah I think looking back on it, the show had potential with all the lore and some worldbuilding, especially character development, but in the end it just, tried to dive in the pool but face planted onto the ice it feels like for me Stay hydrated and fed y'all, keep those meat vessels pumping :o]
I can't believe the paladins died. But honestly, on a more serious note, I thought the best way to end it wouldn't be to have Allura sacrifice herself, but to SACRIFICE THE LIONS. It would show the universe doesn't need them anymore, and Allura would get to live and stay with Coran, who I argue was like her quirky father figure or uncle. Allura deserved to be happy after all she went through. and it would maybe show that Voltron itself was made of some very powerful space mumbo jumbo that had the capability of basically restarting the universe and its different diverging timelines.
I love this show with a passion. Watching each season made me happy. To see how the characters got treated so bad made me sad. I love these characters so much. I just wanted them to be treated right.
I actually thought that the ending kinda fell short, like they shoved some of the paladins into places they didn't rely belong. Lance for example, they shoved him in a farm. He did not belong there!!! And Kieth, still figuring out who he is?!? He was doing that for the entire series.
I can tell you just how bad it got. I was watching it with my sis who had just dipped her toes in anime and when this show came out both of us were ecstatic. We made sure to watch it season by season until slowly my sis became less and less enthusiastic and it was around season 3. I kept watching cause I wanted to see the end but by season 5 it was such a chore. My sis stopped even glancing at the tv when it was on and I never binged it in one sitting again. Whenever I tried to explain the plot to her I would get lost and she would scoff. By the end I was more confused than upset and then my sis became a normie again. Very sad
So I've said this several times on several platforms but the one thing that goes unnoticed with Voltron among the sea of complaints is that the first and last seasons where dropped LESS than two years apart. I can only imagine basically everyone was overworked through the entire production, thus the writing quality went down hill as part of "the crunch".
Season one dropped June 2016. S8 dropped December 2018. Slightly more than 2 years, but an absolute insane time crunch for that amount of episodes. It's honestly a miracle that the show was ever as good as it was with such a tight schedule.
Most effed up thing in the original: Lotor had a crush on Allura because she looked like his mom, a human whom was r***d by his father. Most effed up thing in this series: Haggard was originally Lotor's grandmother, so in this series she had to sleep with her own son to produce Lotor.
@@magicovento the dub of 80s voltron had haggar be a love interest for zarkon(although technically not ever stated to be his mother). The original Japanese had haggar be zarkons mother.
Allurance ain’t even that bad tbh I just feel like people hate them because of wanting Klance to happen and have this weird animosity with Allura… they are actually cute but they could’ve been written better and that’s ok too
I was someone who watched the show without interacting with the fandom at all. I loved the show a lot, especially during the first couple seasons, then started seeing the strange choices made by the writers. Season 7 and 8 were the first that fell short for me and really disappointed me at the time with how characters' arches were handled. I never cared about romance and had no idea what was going on behind scenes. Finding out about all of the drama after enjoying the show without it was very, very entertaining.
WHAT??? I loved the paladins finally snapping at each other seeing the grief and baggage they carry from dealing with each other for so long The frustration and anger and utter sadness of it all it was one of my favorite episodes
I get what they were going for but seeing as we never really saw them come together as friends in the first place, it really didn't land for me. If anything, it felt like a 23 minute lampshade on the fact that they understood the assignment as well as I did Physics: which is to say,not at all.
watched voltron with my siblings during covid, my dad downloaded it before we cut our internet so it was just us going through the motions. I loved how allura was a soft and gentle poc fem without being meek or overly tomboyish, i liked that pidge seemed kinda gender fluid for a bit and the whole nerd family reuniting, i didnt guess the clone thing but i never see obvious twists coming, and i did genuinely think keith and lance had more chemistry than allura and lance heck i thought it would made more sense if she ended up with keith. i did giggle at a ton of the jokes so all in all my no fandom experience was an 8/10
I shipped Klance, and I guess I still do just less so than I did back when I was a teen. I always thought the Sheith vs Klance wars were dumb and it only got worse when people started sending death threats to the writers and actors. I was hoping they would make Klance canon because it just made so much more sense than anything else in my mind but when they didn't, I was sad but I didn't blow up over it. I was far more angry over Allurance being as poorly done as it was than anything. I felt so bad for the people who shipped Allurance because they definitely deserved better and so did the characters. Also I was just simply angry at the general shitshow that was the last few seasons. They tied everything up yes, but little of it made decent sense for any of the characters and it just left a bad taste in my mouth. But hey, thats why we have fanfiction! I feel like the first few seasons were great, especially when the fandom was new and people weren't fighting over their ships. I miss those times.
i mean...? and there is a difference in how dark skinned women and men are represented. Notably in the fact that dark skinned women are often not represented and when they are they die. always.
to be fair to klance shippers most were kids and many people working on he show very much so stoked the flames and essentially queerbaited the audience
I watched the first three episodes of season two, realised exactly where the show was going to go and decided to just leave and enjoy the version in my head instead. And *now* you're telling me that the Paladins all died? I can't believe I missed the Paladins dying. What a wild ride.
As someone who works in animation, I really appreciate your understanding of the process. Also it was totally wild how they killed off all the paladins and just cut to black to end the series. Complete silence as the credits rolled. Does it make up for the rest of the show? Not really, but still gotta give them props for it.
My husband and I both had bad experiences with fandoms, so we've sworn off of any fandoms for anything we get into. We just geek out about stuff with our personal friends. That being said, we started Voltron with excitement and loved it so dang much. But as the later seasons came, we were worn out by the story. By the last 2 seasons we were trudging along just for the sake of seeing the story through. What you said in the video helped put into words the frustration we had. Additionally, I was kinda bothered by how the characters responded to Allura's racism towards Keith. We both desperately wanted one of the other paladins to call her out on it and tell her it was messed up. We wanted more consequences to that kind of thinking. It was a great opportunity to show even people we were close to could have prejudices and we needed to do something about it. So yeah, that's my two cents lol
I stopped watching Voltron after season 6 and had only the most basic exposure to 7 & 8 from my friends who kept watching. I'm amazed that this show turned into Gurren Lagann levels of reality-warping space mecha magic by the end. Absolutely ridiculous and incredible way to go out, I cannot imagine dragging that level of scale escalation out for an entire season.
Hagar is a Hebrew name - in Abrahamic religions, Hagar was Abraham's second wide, who was cast out when her son was considered a threat to the son of his first wife. I could never figure out if Volton just used the name by chance, or if they were trying to do something with that.
I watched this as a kid that had no social media. I really liked this how because it was a cool story to me and I liked the characters as well. I watched the whole thing as it got released. This would be my childhood favorite show.
32:05 oh fun fact about that apology note JDS wrote after the s7 controversy: antis wrote that for him by sliding into his DMs claiming to be concerned fans just trying to help. the showrunners were so spooked they just folded to every scream at that point. i remember antis passing around screenshots of their conversations with JDS and laughing how easy he was to manipulate and have him literally quote them word for word in this very note. this shows fans really were something else.
As a person who watched the show when the fandom kinda died out I can say that I enjoyed it even tho I stopped at season 7 because it became boring and like 3 months later wachted season 8 the ending still made me cry EVEN THO THE BATTALS BECOME BORING
Watching this 3 part deep dive series each week made me so happy. Seeing the shorts of the vid coming Friday. Made me so excited 🤩 Then Seeing the vid come out on Friday absolute happiness. Thank you!
Oh don't worry, klance shippers never forgot the "brother" bit of Keith's "I love you" and have obsessively used it to claim sheith is inc*st ever since. Nevermind that it's super common in fiction and real life for friends to say their close friend is like a sibling only for their feelings to end up being romantic in the end. It's never suggested that Keith sees Shiro as a father either, that's your own interpretation. Grooming is not 'a relationship with an age gap' it's a specific type of manipulation. If Shiro didn't manipulate Keith in this way, then there would be no grooming. Learn what terms actually mean before you use them, don't twist them because you don't like a ship, that's become such a common thing in fandom now and always gets used to harrass people. Also I just want to add that a lot of the nasty tactics and rhetoric used by the more toxic fans (antis) came directly from radfems taking advantage of younger fans and teaching them that shit. Plus a fair amount of predators who wanted to create this environment of 'safe adults are the ones that like the wholesome ships' that let's them more easily actually groom minors, because nowadays minors look at what a person ships instead of actual red flags in their personality or behavior.
Thank you! I was about to give this video a like until she started with that crap, as if Keith and Shiro's interactions wasn't one of the main things that klantis willfully misinterpreted and spread to the rest of the fandom using said loaded terms, making it the toxic cesspool it became.
@@thisbarbieisahugefckingmess I'm just so sick of youtubers completely ignoring who the main instigators were. I'm sure there were a few sheith fans that went too far and got kinda crazy, but it was very much the klance shippers that went bonkers and harassed everyone (I received a number of sui-baiting anons myself and a friend had an entire blog made that was dedicated to hating her) and sent death threats to cast and crew because they were obsessed with making their ship canon. (And like I said, radfems in fandom also had a lot to do with it. It's not a coincidence that things like ace/bi/pan/trans exclusionism got really big in queer fandom spaces around the same time, along with the 'mlm shippers are all fetishizers' narrative.)
it's just, still weird, to be attracted to someone you met as a kid and to be with them now since they're legal now, it's the same shit people were criticizing Batman and Batgirl, both dynamic had only family bond and any romance shit knowing their history, would be just odd
@@nicoleflores2054 You're allowed to think it's weird and dislike it, just like the rest of us are allowed to disagree, but none of us have to care what you think. It's fiction, so the relationship is only unhealthy if it's written to be that way. Just because you met someone as a child, doesn't mean they have to only exist as a child in your eyes forever. I can't comment on the batman thing cause I don't give a shit about DC comics. But Shiro did not raise Keith, no matter what any antis like to claim. There is no inc*st and there is no grooming in that ship. It's actually a very vanilla and basic ship, the only reason it's considered "problematic" is due to klantis grasping at straws to slander it, because they couldn't handle the popularity of a ship they saw as "in the way" of klance.
I remember watching season 8 and thinking they broke too many power ceilings about four ceilings ago. Yeah. Plotline got wild in the end. But at least the ending was complete. I was happy for that.
I didn't interact with the fandom nearly as much and yet my interest in it died very early on because of exactly what you said- the epic proportions of everything all the time. I love a good battle but this show took the Dragon Ball approach and screamed their way into victory over and over and I felt nothing when they fell and crashed down. Keith and Peige were my favorite characters and I was looking forward to their developments and their adventures, but slowly it seemed that to get those we needed to jump through hoops of Sudden Plot Points that didn't do anything until we got what we wanted. Hunk was thrown aside way too easily and it was a damn shame, and I never managed to like Lance because it felt like any time he DID get developed, they swiped it under the rug.
I still can't believe I watched them all die at the end. Especially Shiro, but Especially Pidge... So yeah, I wasn't in the midst of all the Fandom madness while I watched voltron, and I also didn't care for the end. It felt really lacking, unsatisfying. For a show that tried to emulate Gurren Lagann so much, it failed to understand what made Gurren Lagann good. A bit ironic for any Gurren Lagann fan haha. Squandered potential/10
Considering you mentioned in an earlier part that you wished there were more mecha shows, I highly recommend Macross. Partly bc they have Macross characters hidden as easter eggs in Voltron and according to leaked design sketches, Shiro was originally supposed to marry a character from the original Macross series before he got changed to some nameless guy.
Apparently, Allura and Hunk (or Hunk was planned to be killed off) were gonna step down and Shiro would take the blue Lion, and Acxa the Yellow Lion. Acxa and Keith were gonna have an explicit romance, but this and her Paladin ascension were dropped. We probably could’ve avoided Allura’s sacrifice if these plans had followed through.
@@Junoisverysleepyindeed, that sounds just as bad? And it still would've been another PoC being sacrificed for the greater good, which would be the same exact issue.
I can't believe all the Paladins died. What a wild ending.
Why does this say it was posted 4 months ago
@@revoncorvidae7826could be patreon
@@revoncorvidae7826 Probably because it was available 4 months ago to channel members
@@revoncorvidae7826 TIME TRAVEL?!
Was this unlisted for patrons?
I honestly barely remember the show - my main gripe is that THE LIONS SHOULD HAVE BEEN SACRIFICED INSTEAD OF ALLURA!!! The symbol of peace sacrificing itself for the greater good + the lions leave anyway?!?!?! IT'S SO OBVIOUS AND MADE SO MUCH MORE THEMATIC SENSE!!!!!
Also I remember the marketing was super misleading on a lot of things when it came to this show :(
Omg!
That’d be a great ending
Especially since the show started with them finding the lions it would have been so satisfying and have a message of like "voltron isn't the lions, it's the people" kinda. yk?
@@greadams1858
Yes!
It’s perfect ending
I like this ending and it’s good, but I remember that in the beginning how they said that Voltron was this super strong thing for good, and I just think that if in the future they need Voltron it wouldn’t have Voltron if Voltron sacrifices themselves
@spotconlon-wy3tx considering the show hasn't been continued something like that wouldn't have really mattered.
They did my man Shiro dirty. Man got demoted to supporting cast and then got the He got married ending with a nameless character. Lance got screwed over the most. He basically never got over Allura's death and spends the rest of his days just not doing anything new or meaningful with his life.
I only watched S1 and I felt Lance's ending was by FAR the worst and most forced. Why was he so broken up about it, forever? Made him seem super pathetic and whiney when he never had that at the beginning of the series
They made Shiro gay... but they fridge the gay, 6 feet under when they killed Adam... And has the gall to show Shiro marrying another man in the end. I mean, good for Shiro for moving on, but where's the slow burn? Their relationship timeline? It would be fine if they show him dating at the finale. NOPE, they just straight jump to a wedding!
@@trickthemisfit3256it was a CYA measure to cover for the bad press they had rightfully earned for hyping up Adam's importance. I can't say I believe there was a huge section of fans who were THAT devastated that he died as Tumblr claimed but it was still pretty shitty to mislead ppl like that. Like Negative Legend,I didn't even realize Adam had died or had even appeared in the show a second time before the memorial.
Shiro got screwed over the lost lol.
ok but you forgot that the producers hyped up adam SO MUCH in a con panel before season 7 so the backlash over his 3 second screentime before his death was.... very much deserved and understandable😭
Are you talking about Shiro's flashback or his death scene?
@@TailsFani'm talking about every adam appearances (including the memorial where shiro sees his name) and his relationship and/or significance to shiro in general
I was thinking this too. If they hadn't confirmed Adam and Shiro's relationship until after S7, people still would have been upset about the small screen time and quick death I think, but not nearly to the degree that it blew up into.
Yeah I specifically remember seeing a trailer that basically said "You'll get to know Adam, Shiro's boyfriend this season!" Being mildly confused because it felt completely out of left field but pleasantly optimistic despite also feeling a bit icky about the marketing kind of feeling like a "LOOK! GAYS! *Jangles keys* LGBTQ community come watch it we have gay people! You like that!" Then my mild confusion turned into severe disappointment because bury your gays, and also because Adam, hyped up as he was by the marketing team had virtually no screen time. Like dude what, you can't just hype this man up so hard and promise that we'll get to know him then have him have 30 seconds of screen time in the entire season! Let alone kill him off after what? Ten/Fifteen of those seconds? That's nuclear levels of whack right there.
Hella queerbaiting fr
I love Lance but... the way his character was treated by the writers just makes me so mad- ALSO WHY DID THEY MAKE HIM A FARMER
Or a diplomat. Seriously, he should have done something regarding talking.
Lance got Keith’s Sword for no reason! They should’ve made him the Black Paladin tbh
@LieutenantOzarAnThaceDoneDirty you are speaking true words my friend
This is literalt how I throght, My baby blue deserved so much more charictor development than he got.
@@TrixDaElf fr (Omg daughter of Poseidon???)
I personally didn't like Lance/Allura not just because it was rushed, but because they did not feel like a healthy couple. First, Allura only started showing interest in Lance after her breakup with Lotor, a time where she was extremely emotionally vulnerable. It felt like she was using him as a distraction instead of dealing with the betrayal. Second, Lance's character seemed to regress back to the more toxic traits he had in season 1. In the carnival episode he says "I've always been good at winning prizes," while smirking to Allura. Implying he sees her as a prize that he's won, instead of as a person. He never has a chance to really reflect on this and realize that he was in the wrong. And third, the show seemed to be leading towards the two breaking up. Their climactic kiss scene happens in the first episode of the season, which is an odd choice for what is meant to be the final couple. Then, in the same episode Lance has his "prize" line, we have that vision of Lotor convincing Allura to use the dark magic, showing she still has conflicting feelings towards him. And later, Lance sides with Allura's father and criticizes her for her method of defeating Honerva. In any other show, this would be the point where the main couple fight and break up. I personally think it would be really refreshing to have none of the heroes (especially the female lead) paired off with each other. But no, they had to do the obvious option. Anyway, thank you for coming to my ted talk. (Also, it's been a few years since I've watched the show, so please correct me if I got any details wrong. I was like 16 at the time, so I probably missed some things lol.)
Plus they always gave me sokka katara vibes, aka great chwmistry, but for gods sake dont make them a couple but just platonic.
Basically how I felt, I like I can never say anything because I did ship klance but not in the toxic way, just the I like this ship and I'm saving some fan art way since I barely used social media at the time and didn't have Tumblr I would only hear through the grapevine how toxic it was 😅 and I genuinely would've been fine with Lance and Allura but I can never get that one scene were the mice tell Allura Lance likes her and she looks disheartened because she doesn't and likes Lotor out of my head, Lance felt like a rebound for Allura because she was emotionally vulnerable after having her heartbroken, like you said Lance doesn't appear to have learnt anything and it just feels like going backwards for a relationship that lacked development, Lance stops flirting with her in like season 3 and this would've been the time to maybe show Allura having romantic feelings towards Lance, you could then throw Lotor in as like a spanner in the works type thing but then have Allura realise Lance has been there the whole time and she's loved him for a long time instead of her just somewhat randomly agreeing to a date with him in the last season. 🥲
I'm glad someone else clocked that about where in the season that kiss happened. I was never that invested in the pairing but I knew then and there they weren't gonna last
Allura showed interest in Lance before Lotor, but it’s pretty easy to miss.
I wish they would have been besties at the beginning of the series. Lance teaching her to chill(have some fun) and her teaching him to also chill(be a bit more responsible) lol
Lance and Allura still feels odd to me tbh, but I don’t care for Keith and Lance too. The lesson is no one wins.
I vaguely remember in the original series it was implied there was something between Allura & Keith, & it never went anywhere.
@LikaLaruku There was and you're right it didn't but Voltron Force (2011) did somewhat reconfirm it and it did seem to be mutual attraction, Lance and Allura still feels one sided to me since they never seemed to show Allura liking Lance back. That one episode in season 6 where the mice tell her Lance is into her and she seems disheartened because she doesn't feel that way solidified to me she didn't only then to flip 2 seasons later with no real build up to them being in love. 😅
lance and allura was so annoying to me too bc i feel like the end just tried to rob allura of all her agency when she started with so much and was such a good character but then she became a plot point to die to get to the ending like srsly 🙄 i hate the trope of ‘woman who has been rejecting man throughout the entire show is finally *worn down* by him by the ending’ idk tho
@@noname-mi2weit's funny you say that because once they actually did get together, Lance was shoved into the background and given all the development of a shounen battle anime love interest.
I was one of those people who thought the Lance stans whining in the early seasons were being paranoid, but season 8? Bruh. Even Hunk got a more satisfying ending.
@@KariIzumi1nope hunk did not get a satisfying ending at all. He got the fat man becomes chef because fat people like food ending
The bad part about Shiro and Adam for me wasn't what was in the show, but instead the promotional material. There were banners of Shiro and Adam together for promotion which was kind of upsetting considering Adam immediately got killed off and tbh the way I remember the whole ordeal really didn't have an impact on Shiro as a character.
Now, that's no reason for the amount of hate and harassment people working on Voltron got at the time, but that's what was the salt in the wound for me personally.
Pretty sure there was a whole official tweet made about how season 7 would be introducing Shiro’s love interest Adam, and really made it sound like it’d be a big focus, too. Superrr queerbait-y
@march7thsonetruewife unrelated but based pfp
@@blehsomeguy same to you, fellow man of culture
@@freshcupofangst i remember the showrunners constantly queerbating
Hey! Person who never interacted with the fandom, but who watched the show here. Voltron felt weirdly traumatizing for me -- which feels like it should be insane to say, but every time i see it in a thumbnail or title, my mood is immediately killed and i actually have trouble engaging with the content.
For me, it was watching the fun, high-potential story about a space found family (with promised diverse and LGBT rep from the show runners) devolve into a group of people that genuinely seemed to dislike each other.
Hunk and Pidge and Lance were downright mean to eachother starting in s4, and never improved. Keith was written out if the show for two seasons, and then his arc about learning how to accept love instead of rumning from it... happened in a TWO YEAR OFFSCREEN TIMESKIP. You covered what happened to Shiro lol. And Allura randomly fell for Lance despite outright rejecting him for the whole show, knowing about his feelings and still choosing Lotor, and then just dued because of undefined space magic?
Plus Lotor's character assassination was just yikes.
Shiro gets married to an unnamed background character with no dialogue lines.
Lance, the Cuban, becomes a FARMER -- which he expressed zero interest in -- instead of achieving his dream of being a successful pilot??? That felt actually racist.
As a writer, the decisions made starting in s4 baffled me, then bored me, then pissed me off, and finally made me feel empty about this ragtam space family i adored in the first two seasons.
It felt like i was watching spiteful writers slowly kill off my favorite characters in every way that they could. It legitimately felt like someone at the top actually hated the viewers so much, they tried to do the worst things they could get away with to the narrative.
I remember literally ADHD ranting to my sister for 90 minutes straight after the ending about all of the dropped character arcs, the plot holes, the terrible shipping, and the insulting ending. I've never quite felt that level of pissed since, but i imagine its probably how GoT fans felt after their ending.
"no dialogue lines", that's false. Shiro's future husband (Curtis) has MANY dialogue lines, try rewatching it and looking for him in both season 7 and season 8.
@@TailsFan I should be clearer, my bad. I meant he and Shiro didn't share any dialogue lines building their relationship.
He has a lot of throwaway dialogue lines about the ship's condition, I think he made a comment in a few of the meetings about the war effort, and I have a vague memory of him having a single line with Axca about something.
EXACTLY. COULDNT SAY IT BETTER MYSELF.
SAMEEEEEEE I really hated that they didnt explore more Black paladin Keith crisis more, like they brought shiro back the next season I didnt even miss him xd
@@taylerwatts4343 I'll give you that, they didn't bond as a couple but he actually had some pretty big moments, like when he used his skills as Communications Officer to know when Zethrid's lackey was posing as Keith on the radio and Voltron was in trouble.
I think Smidges brother not being dead was one of the most frustrating aspects of the show for me. It added to the character bloat and they did nothing interesting with it. Actually having to confront that loss would have been something... but nope we have an easy out.
Heh. Smidge.
How u r 4 months ago??
I agree! Even if he lived, her dad should have died. It would definitly helped develop her character
@@itsstargirl18 Some Patreon members get early access to the videos. The video was probably uploaded 4 months ago but as an unlisted video. When you make an unlisted video public, it'll set the time of it going public as the upload time.
I am fine he isnt, but he could have been used better, oh and 100% the dad should have died then. That could be good trauma bonding.
By the 7-8th season I said point blank to my friends That i did not BELIEVE these characters were friends or even coworkers. They talked and acted like they were supposed to be close but their interactions felt shallow and that they had nothing going for them. The previous fun things of either fun jabs at one another or even the rivalry of Kieth n Lance (smth that gave them the chemistry ppl clinged onto so much) was just missing and made for all of them to be bland and uninteresting when put in a room
I had the same feeling too. The show went downhill for me with season 3 onwards with the increased focus on plot elements that made character focus take a back seat. The character focus was reduced to small moments here and there instead of being the focus of entire episodes. By the time we got to season 7, the moments there just fell flat for me. Them reminding each other of their friendship when they were lost in space, or Keith encouraging the team when ultra Voltron was depowered and stuck, these just didn't have the impact they should've had.
the show had the gall to have a scene between keith and lacen that can be interpreted as romantically coded and keith saying how proud he is of how far lance has come when they haven't properly spoken to each other in like 4 seasons. like, as a klancer, i'll take what i can get, but it was in no way earned and left such a sour taste in my mouth
I literally screamed when Keith was killed off. Awful choice by the writers that really hinders what could’ve been an amazing series finale. Same with Lance.
I feel like the marketing of the show had a large part in the backlash. Rainbow Netflix headers and constant ship-bait RUclips compilations on the official channel made a lot of people feel like what was fine or inoffensive in the show was actually just. Real attempts at baiting.
Plus, calling Adam Shiro’s lover is almost a stretch. We see them have like, one conversation that barely points toward what relationship they have. The only way a lot of people knew what was supposed to be going on with them was the announcement and rainbow marketing for the season.
Rainbow? You do realize the colors of Voltron are based on Buddhist esoteric elements . It is of Japanese origin.
Not everything is American.
@@CT-uv8osno we mean actual literal rainbows not the voltron colors and Netflix listing the show under its lgbt+ category
@@CT-uv8os theyre referring to rainbow marketing
The discourse over Allura’s sacrifice didn’t have to do with whether she was a good character or not. It’s disheartening and mean to see a dark skinned woman finally get portrayed in a series and her ending is that she gets to be a sacrifice for everyone else’s sake. A fate that is shared by many many many black women. It’s so hard for me to recall black women in animated series getting any sort of recognition or important role. Watchers finally get one and she ends up dying in the most cliche way possible. And I’m not talking cliche in the animated series sense. I’m talking cliche in the “oh of course the black women dies. Of course she doesn’t get a happy ending. What else should I expect.”
The death wasn’t meaningful in any way, at least to me. It was just sad because I’ve seen this story already countless times in real life and now I’m just seeing it again.
Real and true, I hope Negative sees this and it helps them understand the POC woman perspective a bit more. I enjoyed it in story but from a critical eye it's fair to be judged.
Yes, even to this day we don't get many characters like her and throughout the whole show it was just heartbreak after heartbreak for her nonstop, they should have given her a light at the end of the tunnel for all the pain she's been through, but it was just another sacrifice in the end.
It’s difficult to explain their reasoning without knowing they had at one point intended for a big finale movie, only for the show’s lack of money and Uber-toxic fandom putting the kibosh on it. When the LA Voltron happens, Allura will probably be a blonde again.
@@Dynaman21the animated film would’ve brought Allura back since apparently she’s not really dead.
@@Dynaman21also, the thing that scrapped the movie was Dreamworks switching to Hulu.
MY BIGGEST BEEF WITH THIS SHOW IS THAT CORAN NEVER GOT TO SAY GOODBYE.
Same even after all this time
KORAN!!! I LOVED HIM SM 😢
I might be remembering this wrong, but wasn't Lotor basically raised by his governess? That's where he got the accent from. He spent pretty much 0 time with his family since they sent him away - or at least that's what was implied?
That's probably the case, but the show made no effort in making anything clear.
@@KariIzumi1 True that
Great videos series, I really enjoyed it.
The problem with Allura's sacrifice isn't that she was a women of color. It's because women of color having to die/sacrifice themselves for the other characters is a common trope in popular media that happens a lot. The same way how it's a trope for a black person being killed in a horror movie, or how if there's a gay love story it will end with one of them dying. It's a trope that's been used too many times. (Also in buzzfeed interviews after season 8, the show runners said how they had wanted to kill off Hunk and have Acxa take over the yellow lion but got told no. Take that as you will.)
Anyway, thanks for making it! Can't wait to see your next video.
So many, many problems on this show could've been solved by people working on the show learning when to shut up.
Absolutely no one deserves the amount of harrassment that they got from shitty fans, full stop. But it's not a coincidence that Josh Keaton stopped getting hate mail and threats to call CPS the minute he stopped discussing shipping.
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HUNK being killed off wouldve been just one of the most transparently lazy decisions ever made...
I think a reason why there was so much out cry for Alluras death is that, we do not get enough WOC genuine perspectives, esp at that time. I remember Steven Universe having good rep too but thats it. I know it is a fictional setting, but still, seeing a main character like her was nice. I'm white myself, but growing up I was surrounded by people of many backgrounds and cultures. And seeing all the different backgrounds and diversity with the characters and show was awesome! Allura stood out to me though, she was cool but such a sweetheart, so kind and caring, and one of the few darkskin girls i actually saw on screen, that wasn't a background or side character. While a lot of the fandom was about shipping ( basically just keith, lance and shiro), Allura was always respected. People loved her, she was the iconic space girl. But her death was like a punch to the gut, I understand it was a sacrifice, but there is so much more to it than that. Why not the lions? Why not Shiro, the leader of the group? It just didn't make sense, she didn't deserve it. Maybe if the buildup was developed more, but it just came so out of left field.
It also is not okay since how so many woc just get killed off, and sacrificed. And its just, its sad. It is really really sad, Allura brought the team together, she was awesome, and they just killed her.
It sucks to see something like this. Women of color have be brutilized and hurt and killed for other character. Yes the representation is awesome in the show! It is beautiful! But why her? It feels like there was no plan. Just kill the girl.
Its been years and I still think of how terrible this show ended. I wasn't even into the fandom that much, but I know we all felt how wrong it was
Sorry for the mini rant, Allura is my fav voltron character and her death is just, heartbreaking.
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Yeah. There was no reason for them to kill Allura 😢
Shipping may have ruined the show, but Keith will forever be my punching bag for the show turning into "The Adventures of Keith, starring Keith (and the rest too, I guess)"
🤣🤣🤣
And they couldn't even do his plot lines/arches right XD
@@pencilbuddyinc7782 We didn’t even know his dad’s name! or anything about him or his relationship with his own mother that’s how bad his story arc is.
His leadership arc being utterly destroyed by going off and doing the Blades thing and basically living in his own mini-show was so bad. That should have been a small arc where he returns and comes into his own as a leader, and interacts with the rest of his team, which is the whole point of the "power of friendship and teamwork robot space fighter" show!
"Oh yeah Keith, you're part of this super important team of people who are the chosen ones to pilot these super robots that make a bigger robot that's the ONLY thing to potentially save the whole galaxy, and if anyone is unable to pilot a lion or form the robot then the odds of winning this seemingly unwinnable war get SUPER BAD, and with you being the new Black Paladin, you have the awesome responsibility of being the leader and - oh, he's already gone...cool."@@prokyonidae
i can't believe all the paladins died. it was a controversial decision but one that definitely cemented the series as legendary.
@@naquangreen2192 clearly u didnt watch the full vid
@@StarCandyyyy
I did 😂 the only character that did die was princess Allura.
@@naquangreen2192 boi u are dense 💀
The thing with Adam is that Netflix and the showrunners made a big deal about him. When season 7 came out they had shiro and Adam all over. They were literally the thumbnail of the show for that season. The advertising was shiro and Adam with some rainbows in the background. Then the man just suddenly dies off screen. Why did they make such a big deal about Adam if they were just going to do him dirty like that?
I remember keeping up with Voltron and feeling completely disheartened by the finale. The desire for big stakes and battles left little room for the characters I grew to love.
I can't believe all the Paladins died!
The mecha fan in me loves the fact that their ship randomly transforms into another giant robot, but you are not wrong that it undercuts what should be the primary focus. Now that I think about it, that would of been the perfect time to toss in a refrence to "Vehicle Force Voltron". Would of been a clever nod to classic Voltron fans. Not sure how'd you would rationalize humans being able to their own Voltron, but they clearly didn't care about making believable power scaling.
@ShadowEclipex
They could have pulled a Pacific Rim and have humanity build their own Voltron.
Granted vehicle Voltron Force would have been a... Controversial decision especially considering that there'd be a section of fans who would find vehicles to be a let-down compared to the five sentient robot lions.
Remember the backlash that power rangers turbo went through.
@ShadowEclipex
That doesn't mean that the concept of "vehicle Voltron Force" couldn't have been done well and could have actually been good.
The problem I feel that would have faced the series would have been the lack of the old cast being involved and acting as mentors to the new team.
i can't believe all the paladins died. it was such a bold move to end the show with the entire main cast dying like that, i don't think i've ever seen another show do that before
The game show & space madness episodes were weird. They never question their team/family/friend dynamic before but all the sudden they didn't see each other as friends?!
my blind love for pidge allowed me to love every season because she was in it
So real
Lmao i related a lot to her
REAL I LOVE THEM SM
me with both pidge and keith
Let's just say as a black woman/femme (people that look like me) in fiction don't tend to have a happy ending in canon or fanfiction. Their ships are usually underdeveloped by the writers or invalidated by the fandom. And it's hard to have most of the fandom headcannon a black woman/femme as asexual or a 'I don't need no man' type of person even if they're canonly not this way. Also Allura sacrificing herself for the team it's very reminiscent of the 'Magical Negro' trope (think Bonnie in the vampire diaries) Allura's use of magic help move the plot along more than once and when needed she died for the plot as well. With all of this being said characters like this are seen as black because most black fans see themselves in their stories
I was so excited to have a dark skinned pastel woman in a show. When she died, I paused the show and sobbed my eyes out. I made the mistake of going online to see how other people felt, but everyone was too focused on Lance's ending and Shiro's new husband to care. I even saw an artist I admired say that she was happy Allura died, because she shipped her with Lotor. Her lack of compassion for WOC's perspective really hit me hard. In the end I feel like it's my own fault for getting attached to a character that a random company made. I think it's a good lesson to everyone, that if you want content that properly represents you, you should find an indie creator that looks like you.
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saying you're happy allura died because you shipped her with lotor is actually insane. i ship them too, but i would've preferred it if they were both alive??? allura wasn't my favourite character, but since she was the "girly girl" of the group i always felt protective of her since those types of characters always tend to get a lot of undeserved shit, and the way she was handled throughout the show made me so angry. if anyone in the show deserved a happy ending it was her!!
Allura was a good representation for BIPOC girls who were watching the show. I mean, she was a badass magical space princess with a cool story (until a certain point) and design! I loved how both black and indigenous women could relate to her due to, even her people was genocided, she found a reason to keep fighting and turn the universe into a better place. Her death was just unfair
I was only in the community on Instagram just happily liking art and watching the show so I didn’t have the crazy toxic stan experience most people did. But I was a huge Klance shipper. It just made sense to me. I loved all the potential the story had and the character dynamics and the creativity it sparked in people. I think the moment I realized the show was going nowhere was when they killed of Lotor. Like the set up for him was really fun but it just never payed off. To me I’ll always love the first few seasons. But I’ve never been able to bring myself to watch the last 2. They’re just really not entertaining when you know where the show ends up. I’m still pissed they killed of Allura, it should have been the LIONS. Since Voltron gets retired anyways they should have gotten their happily ever after. I don’t even care if Allura and Lance became end game (kinda always figured it was gonna go that way since it’s just very heteronormative for the bossy lady to like the man child). I wanted all these characters to actually feel connected. But by the end? It didn’t make sense why any of these characters liked one another.
As someone who shipped plance,it was so funny how the Plance part of the fandom was the only part where they were literally calm even after the finale :P
Oh I remember Hance being chill too 😅
I get that young queer people are desperate for representation, but we need to stop babying them. A teenager should know that it's not ok to harass people because of cartoon relations
For real, though. There's a ton of queer filmmakers and artists who devote their time to representative works. DreamWorks....? Don't expect that from them 😂😂😂 come on, kids.
Like if the show wanted , just make keith gay, not with lance or shiro, but like it could explore at least his character more, and let shiro be free to not shoulder that.
And give keith a catboy love interest on his adventures with mom?!
And yeah keith should gave gotten that fun galra love interest catboy for real,not lothor ok, and shiro, i just can him stay dead if the other paladins and keith get developement
@@henotic.essencewe got kipo and the age of wonderbeasts from them. They had Ben who was gay and ended up getting a boyfriend. And it made sense it wasn’t just thrown in there for the sake of quick queer representation. Ben was a kid on the surface and Troy was in the burrow city so when they got together it made sense. Bc they both were going to live in the borrow/with the human/mute group. We might even get more if kipo gets greenling for more content. So there is hope for dreamworks lgbt representation.
You're absolutely right but two things can be true at once. There was an unprecedented amount of fandom harrassment well before these last two seasons but the higher ups who thought they were eating by hyping up a guy with 90 seconds of screen time were only throwing more fuel over a nuclear reactor meltdown. And even worse, the execs at DW and/or WEP weren't the ones having to deal with these rabid fans up front and personal--the VAs did. Lauren Mongomery and Joaquim dos Santos did. So too did any other person who was known to work on the show. It wasn't pretty for any of them.
@@henotic.essence Dreamworks animation worked on She-Ra - the really gay version.
I remember when I realized that they were making Sendak the main villain for an entire season, and my immediate reaction was "Really? This guy's the big bad?" Then all the paladins just died the next season.
I was forced to watch the first season of Voltron because my friends were desperate for us to rp ships from the show. From the very beginning, Voltron's pacing felt too... quick. They barely lingered on an emotional moment or let you process anything. It felt like I was watching a show for kids. I wish I could have enjoyed the show, but I really couldn't. Watching your deep dives just helped me reflect on that. I was curious to hear how the show went after the first season. More power to the folks that loved the series
I mean...even for a show made for kids, it was pretty bad writing wise 😂 pretty much every kid show after ATLA has had planning and pacing and most have never blundered them the way this show did. I'd say _Star Vs. the Forces of Evil_ comes closest to matching VLD but... honestly, that show at its peak was genuinely good, with strong characters and motivations before the creator decided to turn it all about shipping to the point that even shippers themselves got annoyed.
VLD OTOH...even at its best, the characters all had very thin characterization and motivations and never got much more than what we saw of them in the pilot. Between than and the online toxicity, what was left to keep anyone around at the end of it?
One of the best parts of this show in my opinion is that you had a father, mother, and son who all got their chance to be the main antagonist. Can anyone name another show that did that?
Im taking notes🤔
"When you make everything big, then they all just feel the same." This is also, incidentally, one of the main problems with the Michael Bay Transformers movies. Giant Robots corrupt people more than Quintessence ever could, it seems. 🍵
As much as I like Lotor as a character it really annoys me that the show fails to be keep my attention when he is not around. If it wasn't for this character the series might have just remaind a standard good vs evil plot with a monster of the week formula.
same, stopped watching when he wasn't in the show anymore. It was such a waste of time to get invested into a character that arguably had such a fire introduction and was brimming with potential, just to get him killed off.
@@opaloparu6048 It's like the problem I had with Catra in She-Ra.
I love Catra's story but I hate the fact the writers were over reliant on her to cause drama and progress the plot.
(1) Sometimes it feel like Catra is the only villain taking the war seriously and making progress to win it.
(2) Catra kept going back and forth on being a good and bad guy. So many times Catra told Adora I'm done with you and yet she always keep coming back to help her.
(3) Catra has also done to many things to be redeemed. If the writers wanted her to redeem herself they should have made join the heros as soon as possible.
Also wasn't it annoying how empty the Horde felt empty? When I was watching the show I kept wondering where are all generals leading armies into battle.
@@lesterwilliamsjr649 haven't really watched she-ra, but yeah, in my opinion, I don't think much was really concluded. The Galra had been ruling for thousands of years, I wish there was a portion of the show dedicated to rebuilding or something. Like that doesn't just all disappear because of allura's sacrifice, or the finale was so crazy that it just makes a different timeline where everything is fine and dandy? Idk, the more I think about the ending it confuses me. Even more than finding the possible motivation Lotor might've had for farming the altean's quintessence unethically.
I'm sorry, but the twist reveal of the colony will NEVER make sense to me. If you think about it for 5 seconds it's like "Oh my- that's horrible!" but the more and more you think about it, the less sense it makes. I'll probably elaborate in another comment to go over everything that in my opinion just doesn't fit.
Last two seasons of Voltron felt like it tried be an anime war drama like mobile suit Gundam. But, it took inspiration from Gundam F91, seed destiny, and Age which those are probably the worst of the Gundam franchise.
@bearerofbadnews1375
There was a much worse season of Gundam and it was iron-blooded orphans season 2.
The ending is what really ticked off the entire fandom because it basically ends with all of our heroes (minus some of the female characters) dying and the villains actually surviving and who won.
The villains themselves weren't even good villains in fact they have to be the most annoying villains in the entire Gundam series.
Gundam 00 Season 2 also had the exact same problem where the story of the first season was wrapped up and our heroes had basically won.
Only for a second season to happen and reverse a lot of the things that were achieved at the end of the first season and receive one of the worst endings in Gundam.
@bearerofbadnews1375
Gundam must be curse or something because the first half of their shows are just soo good meanwhile the second to third half are the WORST.
The main story is almost always finished up and there is an already written satisfying ending with there being no need for a continuation.
The most recent Gundam series had the exact same problem where the first half was good, while the 2nd and 3rd half was the worst.
As someone who watched the "original" Voltron, i.e. the Frankensteining of two different anime into a dubbed cartoon, seeing the whole Netflix series unfold was both heartening and depressing. They touched on so many good ideas and concepts for the characters and the IP itself, but flailed horrendously at the most basic tenants of good storytelling that it made everything past season 3 a serious drag to get through. Shiro's multiple passes of false and compromised identity, Keith's unwillingness to be a leader, and Lance, Pidge, and Hunk only getting the most sporadic of character focus compared to them and Allura made even the most epic set pieces feel like distractions rather than capstones. The characters really didn't "go" anywhere compared to where they started, and everything that happened could have been compressed into five seasons at MOST. I don't think the IP will be able to mount a return any time soon thanks to how it all panned out.
I think the Adam problem was also we never heard shiro said he was missing anybody. And Keith never mentions Adam ether. Bro came out of nowhere and died that same ep
Shows like Steven Universe, She-Ra ATPOP, and Voltron LD all have something common that I really don't like which is they ignore the reality of war by suggesting that it's easy to forgive an enemy that someone was fighting a war against.
If your going to have an action series that has a war its important to have a villain that is punished as a result of there actions in the war.
it was insane how hunk died the worst out of them all
I will admit, I was really confused by your comment.
I think that personally the reason why the ending felt so bad was the just complete lack of stakes and poor execution
There were good ideas but by the end they would either rush to the good stuff with nothing in between or drag out the stuff that was less interesting/important
They couldn’t seem to find that balance past season 3
“This show became a war of attrition with its viewers” so beautifully put
Another element of what made that episode of them drifting through space so bad is how it had a whole scene where the paladins yell at each other and question if they're even a team after all this time. You mentioned in an earlier part that earlier seasons weren't doing a good job of treating the core cast as a team, and this episode was just the ultimate example of it. It's like.... really? This late into the show, and we still aren't supposed to know if the team actually even care for each other? How.
God, right? This was the type of episode that should have aired by the end of season 3 at the latest. Hell, given how Shiro was completely missing from that episode, I have to wonder if this was originally meant to be earlier in the show but TIIC were so attached to this idea that they stuck it in anyway.
Either way, the fact that such a question was needed that late into the series....big oof.
Yeaaaaahhhh…no, the ending is never gonna not suck and it retroactively made it impossible for me to ever watch the early seasons. It’s not necessarily because Allura died; as you said, sacrificing herself is incredibly noble. It’s that Haggar was so ludicrously overpowered through the whole last season, easily conquering everything and everyone over and over and it came completely out of nowhere. Everyone lost all season long to such a degree that the eventual last-second victory felt like defeat too. I have nothing but bad feelings towards the show (and btw, this is coming from someone who was totally outside the whole toxic fandom, so that’s nothing to do with it).
I've never watched this show, however I do remember hearing of the Adam incident.
Apparently, the producers bragged about having gay rep in the show and how the LGBT+ community was going to get a big treat. But when the episodes aired and it turned out it was the "Burry Your Gays" trope, people got understandably mad.
Then the producers turned around and started crying that this was all Dreamworks would allow them to do. But then Dreamworks came out and basically said "WE SPECIFICALLY TOLD YOU NOT TO DO THIS!!!"
I remember that and it was hilarious
The VLD reaction was so bad that the She-Ra creators put out a tweet saying they'd already completed the show and to not get mad at them (not that they needed to, everyone was pretty happy with Catradora)
For Negative Legend regarding Allura's death if it is considered "Racist" or not:
So as an AFAB queer nonbinary person of color, the claims of racism is not THAT unfounded, considering that Allura is a GREAT women of color character on screen and I do agree that it could have been way more impactful if there were other women of color characters! But the fact is she is the only one, and it feels weird to see her be the one who never gets her happy ending yet arguable did the most work to save the entire universe.
Like ok once again women of color are doing the most work and once again they get the arguably unhappy ending. (Doesn't help she is also a woman of color with "magic that no one can comprehend but can help support the cast who aren't women of color either).
I do not think it is direct, intentional racism as some have accused the writers of, and it would be unfair to the writers to assume they would be that malicious about it. HOWEVER, I do think there is unconscious racism going around, because we could have had more women of color in the show that aren't antagonists for a show of *checks notes* 7-8 seasons, but instead the only main one is the one who died and never got a happy ending where she isn't dealing with war and isn't dealing with Altean extinction and whatnot. Hunk and Lance who have darker skin tones compared to Keith and Shiro (who are both men of color) and Pidge (who is the only white character on the team) didn't get their deep character story arcs either, so there could be unconscious colorism bias happening.
Do I think its that severe of a claim? No, but its still sus that they had all these chances for deep women of color characters like Allura but never did. Then again the writing of show is just NOT GREAT. They fridged a gay character that they hyped massively as severely important to the story, alot of other characters were implied queer but only if you squint really hard, as mentioned Hunk and Lance who have darker skin tones are also characters that were treated more as a joke side character without their own heavy story arcs.
And like, to use your identity as a comparison, like, let's say its a queer white character in a cast of straight characters and yes they had a deep character arc but they're still the only one who died sacrificing themself so all the straight characters have their happy endings. I can't claim on your behalf if you would be miffed, but as a queer person I would at least say man I wish there was more queer characters so the ending doesn't feel as sad or as terrible as someone of a marginalized group.
Anyways there are my two thoughts as someone who dropped the show around season 5-6 and was not involved in the fandom outside of perusing Tumblr on a surface level whenever the show trended. And I am just one person with one set of experiences, so don't take my word as the gospel please but rather just one view of everything that went down.
PS: These are just my thoughts, if you have conflicting thoughts please be respectful about them, this is mostly my opinion based on my own life experiences as A SINGULAR AFAB nonbinary queer person of color, so my thoughts may not align with yours, I just don't want to be hate crimed when I wanted to share my thoughts with Negative Legend in the comments. Thank you very much for understanding, and I thank you for your time and consideration if you did read this whole comment!
Honestly, if they hadn't included that bizarre "here's where they are now" clip show at the end, I still wouldn't have liked the ending per se (Allura's sacrifice needed to be set up better imo; it felt like an arbitrary solution for the sake of an easy gut punch since they either broke or stopped explaining the rules so often in S7 & 8 that I had no sense of what the possible solutions on the table even were anymore) but I wouldn't have hated it to the degree that I did. That last image with the lions flying off into space with the Allura constellation in the background was a decent enough note to end on, and a beautiful image if nothing else. Shiro's wedding, on the other hand, rang so incredibly hollow and insulting to me that I couldn't even view it as a superficial win.
Having all of the Paladins die immediately after Shiro confesses his love for Keith and gets sent to space super hell was an interesting writing decision.
I got that reference and I’ve never watched a minute of that show, it was THAT big of a deal 😂 I also think it goes to show how Voltron went that lowkey why does that unironically sound like something they’d have done to Shiro 💀
I mean, THEY KINDA DID, and Shiro didn’t even have to say it himself bc god forbid a war veteran and POW have emotions,, but through a shared trauma and noble devotion he managed to bond closely with the Black Lion, who gave up her former Paladin for him, who saved his life where anyone else would’ve died. It was genuinely the most meaningful connection of any two characters I felt in the show, and had such potential. He made that meaningful connection and then got killed off, and when he comes back, THEY ERASED THAT BOND. In order to have their nostalgic OG team the writers literally say off-screen that it was wiped. We didn’t even get a “thank you for everything” to Black, and clearly Shiro can’t even recall anything about that bond, bc he just. Doesn’t mention it. Ever. You can so clearly tell he wasn’t meant to be in the show at some points lmao and they,, somehow,, didn’t plan for a well-developed character to be LIKED on a kid’s show that COULD NEVER JUST WRITE HIM OUT (like, if this was GOT, it wouldn’t be a biggie lmao) 💀
Keith also tells Shiro he loves him, his brother, his salvation, and then that clone dies horribly (agonisingly mind-controlled and probably thinking he’d killed his friends. He hurt Keith) with no further mentions. They don’t even bring up that fight.
Holy quiznakking fu*k they treated him worse than soggy rag doll that a Doberman puppy got its teeth on
Oh and did I mention the fact he seems to have no one left for him on Earth. No mentions of family, or friends outside of pre-established characters. There was that one guy,, idk what his name was,, uhhh Adidas idk but I don’t know if they were close from that one interaction we got 🤔 Anyways that guy got murdered lmao
The weird magic and the eldritch stuff was just weird. Everything felt like a stretch and didnt mean anything. The way they just dropped Lotor. He still mentioned, but he feels more like a plot device later on after his death. Lance was a rebound, no debate in that. They never really addressed Lotor's ideology in why did what he did. Like did he even need the quintessence from Alteans? You can harvest that stuff through other means. I would have been interesting to see how he justified his actions. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few debates are interesting to see how each side tries win philosophically.
I personally have a theory, which I put in one of my fics, that Lotor wasn't actually wanting to hurt them and he took "compatible" Alteans because Haggar found out about his little "side project" and blackmailed him into giving her some of the Alteans so she wouldn't tell the Emperor and get the whole thing destroyed. They never even tried to get Lotor's side of the story.
I also lowkey forgot that Adam had any amount of significance so when Shiro had his scene at the memorial, I was so confused. And am I the only one who thought the IGF-Atlas robot's design was so goofy lookin?? 😂😂
Yeah the proportions really threw me off. They really built it like and IG baddie 🤣
Adam didn’t have any significance. At all
Imagine the 80s kid who saw the original 80s show's reaction to all this fandoms drama
Yeah it's bogus.
I can’t believe all the paladins died. Made me cry so hard
After watching this, I think I would love a recap on Steven Universe from you honestly.
Ooooo that would be great!!
I can't believe all the Paladins died. But it was a fitting ending. As someone who watched the show not knowing about the fanbase, I loved the show. Then again, I was like, 10 when the show ended and back then I didn't have very good understanding of quality.
The fandom was crazy. But criticizing the messy and forced writing + the fact that the show runners patted themselves on the back and advertised queer rep only to give us the mess that was Adam and Shiro is valid. The original creator left the show at one point and it shows. Dos Santos and Montgomery fumbled a lot
Who do you mean by “the original creator”? Dos Santos and Montgomery have been the showrunners throughout the whole show.
Honestly, as someone who watched the whole show and didnt rlly interact with the fandom (i did see all the shipping stuff online for some time and it annoyed me and i came to realize that it would benefit my mental health more to just, not interact with pretty much any fandom, ever, so i disappeared from social media haha), I barely remember anything from the show, nothing rlly impacted me, for me it was just some silly show abt giant space robots and space magic later ig, where, as u said, when the tension is constantly tried to be kept high, it just fizzles out.
I think the most fun things for me were the fight scenes, and my favorite characters were Pidge and Hunk, so, yeah
I think looking back on it, the show had potential with all the lore and some worldbuilding, especially character development, but in the end it just, tried to dive in the pool but face planted onto the ice it feels like for me
Stay hydrated and fed y'all, keep those meat vessels pumping :o]
“Tried to dive in the pool but face planted into the ice” is such a fantastic way of putting it lol
I can't believe the paladins died. But honestly, on a more serious note, I thought the best way to end it wouldn't be to have Allura sacrifice herself, but to SACRIFICE THE LIONS. It would show the universe doesn't need them anymore, and Allura would get to live and stay with Coran, who I argue was like her quirky father figure or uncle. Allura deserved to be happy after all she went through. and it would maybe show that Voltron itself was made of some very powerful space mumbo jumbo that had the capability of basically restarting the universe and its different diverging timelines.
I love this show with a passion.
Watching each season made me happy.
To see how the characters got treated so bad made me sad.
I love these characters so much. I just wanted them to be treated right.
I actually thought that the ending kinda fell short, like they shoved some of the paladins into places they didn't rely belong. Lance for example, they shoved him in a farm. He did not belong there!!! And Kieth, still figuring out who he is?!? He was doing that for the entire series.
I can tell you just how bad it got. I was watching it with my sis who had just dipped her toes in anime and when this show came out both of us were ecstatic. We made sure to watch it season by season until slowly my sis became less and less enthusiastic and it was around season 3. I kept watching cause I wanted to see the end but by season 5 it was such a chore. My sis stopped even glancing at the tv when it was on and I never binged it in one sitting again. Whenever I tried to explain the plot to her I would get lost and she would scoff. By the end I was more confused than upset and then my sis became a normie again. Very sad
So I've said this several times on several platforms but the one thing that goes unnoticed with Voltron among the sea of complaints is that the first and last seasons where dropped LESS than two years apart. I can only imagine basically everyone was overworked through the entire production, thus the writing quality went down hill as part of "the crunch".
Season one dropped June 2016. S8 dropped December 2018. Slightly more than 2 years, but an absolute insane time crunch for that amount of episodes. It's honestly a miracle that the show was ever as good as it was with such a tight schedule.
Most effed up thing in the original: Lotor had a crush on Allura because she looked like his mom, a human whom was r***d by his father.
Most effed up thing in this series: Haggard was originally Lotor's grandmother, so in this series she had to sleep with her own son to produce Lotor.
I--
Whut
What??? Can you explain it better???
@@magicovento the dub of 80s voltron had haggar be a love interest for zarkon(although technically not ever stated to be his mother). The original Japanese had haggar be zarkons mother.
They could've killed someone in Lance's family or someone else family to show the cost of war and get the feels without killing Adam
Allurance ain’t even that bad tbh I just feel like people hate them because of wanting Klance to happen and have this weird animosity with Allura… they are actually cute but they could’ve been written better and that’s ok too
Agreed.
It's mostly Lance fans feeling the payoff was underwhelming.
Honestly the ending was crazy and they did a lot of characters dirty. They should have just ended at season six or season two
Ending at season two would have been the perfect ending.
@@granixo I totally agree
I was someone who watched the show without interacting with the fandom at all. I loved the show a lot, especially during the first couple seasons, then started seeing the strange choices made by the writers. Season 7 and 8 were the first that fell short for me and really disappointed me at the time with how characters' arches were handled. I never cared about romance and had no idea what was going on behind scenes. Finding out about all of the drama after enjoying the show without it was very, very entertaining.
WHAT??? I loved the paladins finally snapping at each other seeing the grief and baggage they carry from dealing with each other for so long
The frustration and anger and utter sadness of it all it was one of my favorite episodes
I get what they were going for but seeing as we never really saw them come together as friends in the first place, it really didn't land for me. If anything, it felt like a 23 minute lampshade on the fact that they understood the assignment as well as I did Physics: which is to say,not at all.
watched voltron with my siblings during covid, my dad downloaded it before we cut our internet so it was just us going through the motions. I loved how allura was a soft and gentle poc fem without being meek or overly tomboyish, i liked that pidge seemed kinda gender fluid for a bit and the whole nerd family reuniting, i didnt guess the clone thing but i never see obvious twists coming, and i did genuinely think keith and lance had more chemistry than allura and lance heck i thought it would made more sense if she ended up with keith. i did giggle at a ton of the jokes so all in all my no fandom experience was an 8/10
I shipped Klance, and I guess I still do just less so than I did back when I was a teen. I always thought the Sheith vs Klance wars were dumb and it only got worse when people started sending death threats to the writers and actors. I was hoping they would make Klance canon because it just made so much more sense than anything else in my mind but when they didn't, I was sad but I didn't blow up over it. I was far more angry over Allurance being as poorly done as it was than anything. I felt so bad for the people who shipped Allurance because they definitely deserved better and so did the characters. Also I was just simply angry at the general shitshow that was the last few seasons. They tied everything up yes, but little of it made decent sense for any of the characters and it just left a bad taste in my mouth. But hey, thats why we have fanfiction! I feel like the first few seasons were great, especially when the fandom was new and people weren't fighting over their ships. I miss those times.
"Allura was the only dark skinned person in the goup" Hunk just doesn't exists I guess.
Honestly he was barely there 💔 he was my fav but most of his “character” was very superficial, especially in later seasons 💔💔💔
i mean...? and there is a difference in how dark skinned women and men are represented. Notably in the fact that dark skinned women are often not represented and when they are they die. always.
I'mma be honest, haven't watched a single episode of the show, but watching your analysis on it has been entertainting as hell lmao-
12:01
I love the klance shippers are locked in a bed room.
There’s blood all over the place🤣
It represents them perfectly
to be fair to klance shippers most were kids and many people working on he show very much so stoked the flames and essentially queerbaited the audience
I can’t believe all the Paladins died, such a sad ending
I watched the first three episodes of season two, realised exactly where the show was going to go and decided to just leave and enjoy the version in my head instead. And *now* you're telling me that the Paladins all died? I can't believe I missed the Paladins dying. What a wild ride.
I CANT BELIEVE ALL THE PALADINS DIED, DAM
Can't believe it only had 3 seasons
I can't believe all the Paladins died, what a way to end the show, gasping for air
Honestly im just grateful it had a conclusion rather than being left unfinished
30:27 is very important, and not just with Voltron, but EVERY franchise that cannot end it's story
As someone who works in animation, I really appreciate your understanding of the process. Also it was totally wild how they killed off all the paladins and just cut to black to end the series. Complete silence as the credits rolled. Does it make up for the rest of the show? Not really, but still gotta give them props for it.
That ending was giving _The Sopranos_ Haha
The NOT so grand finale(according to most people)
We appreciate how well you've articulated your own insights. Keep working hard.
My husband and I both had bad experiences with fandoms, so we've sworn off of any fandoms for anything we get into. We just geek out about stuff with our personal friends.
That being said, we started Voltron with excitement and loved it so dang much. But as the later seasons came, we were worn out by the story. By the last 2 seasons we were trudging along just for the sake of seeing the story through. What you said in the video helped put into words the frustration we had.
Additionally, I was kinda bothered by how the characters responded to Allura's racism towards Keith. We both desperately wanted one of the other paladins to call her out on it and tell her it was messed up. We wanted more consequences to that kind of thinking. It was a great opportunity to show even people we were close to could have prejudices and we needed to do something about it. So yeah, that's my two cents lol
I stopped watching Voltron after season 6 and had only the most basic exposure to 7 & 8 from my friends who kept watching. I'm amazed that this show turned into Gurren Lagann levels of reality-warping space mecha magic by the end. Absolutely ridiculous and incredible way to go out, I cannot imagine dragging that level of scale escalation out for an entire season.
Hagar is a Hebrew name - in Abrahamic religions, Hagar was Abraham's second wide, who was cast out when her son was considered a threat to the son of his first wife. I could never figure out if Volton just used the name by chance, or if they were trying to do something with that.
Haggar was a carryover from the original Voltron. If the crew from 1985 was aware of this when picking dub names, I really couldn't say.
Holy shit I was not expecting all the palidens to go out like that honestly had my in tears
I can't believe all the paladins died! Oh my goodness. It was crazy. At least Shiro and Keith revived through the power of love. 🤣💕
I watched this as a kid that had no social media. I really liked this how because it was a cool story to me and I liked the characters as well. I watched the whole thing as it got released. This would be my childhood favorite show.
32:05 oh fun fact about that apology note JDS wrote after the s7 controversy: antis wrote that for him by sliding into his DMs claiming to be concerned fans just trying to help. the showrunners were so spooked they just folded to every scream at that point. i remember antis passing around screenshots of their conversations with JDS and laughing how easy he was to manipulate and have him literally quote them word for word in this very note. this shows fans really were something else.
Dude... I never could have predicted the Paladins died, such a crazy ending
As a person who watched the show when the fandom kinda died out I can say that I enjoyed it even tho I stopped at season 7 because it became boring and like 3 months later wachted season 8 the ending still made me cry EVEN THO THE BATTALS BECOME BORING
Watching this 3 part deep dive series each week made me so happy.
Seeing the shorts of the vid coming Friday.
Made me so excited 🤩
Then Seeing the vid come out on Friday absolute happiness.
Thank you!
Oh don't worry, klance shippers never forgot the "brother" bit of Keith's "I love you" and have obsessively used it to claim sheith is inc*st ever since. Nevermind that it's super common in fiction and real life for friends to say their close friend is like a sibling only for their feelings to end up being romantic in the end. It's never suggested that Keith sees Shiro as a father either, that's your own interpretation. Grooming is not 'a relationship with an age gap' it's a specific type of manipulation. If Shiro didn't manipulate Keith in this way, then there would be no grooming. Learn what terms actually mean before you use them, don't twist them because you don't like a ship, that's become such a common thing in fandom now and always gets used to harrass people.
Also I just want to add that a lot of the nasty tactics and rhetoric used by the more toxic fans (antis) came directly from radfems taking advantage of younger fans and teaching them that shit. Plus a fair amount of predators who wanted to create this environment of 'safe adults are the ones that like the wholesome ships' that let's them more easily actually groom minors, because nowadays minors look at what a person ships instead of actual red flags in their personality or behavior.
Thank you! I was about to give this video a like until she started with that crap, as if Keith and Shiro's interactions wasn't one of the main things that klantis willfully misinterpreted and spread to the rest of the fandom using said loaded terms, making it the toxic cesspool it became.
@@thisbarbieisahugefckingmess I'm just so sick of youtubers completely ignoring who the main instigators were. I'm sure there were a few sheith fans that went too far and got kinda crazy, but it was very much the klance shippers that went bonkers and harassed everyone (I received a number of sui-baiting anons myself and a friend had an entire blog made that was dedicated to hating her) and sent death threats to cast and crew because they were obsessed with making their ship canon. (And like I said, radfems in fandom also had a lot to do with it. It's not a coincidence that things like ace/bi/pan/trans exclusionism got really big in queer fandom spaces around the same time, along with the 'mlm shippers are all fetishizers' narrative.)
it's just, still weird, to be attracted to someone you met as a kid and to be with them now since they're legal now, it's the same shit people were criticizing Batman and Batgirl, both dynamic had only family bond and any romance shit knowing their history, would be just odd
@@nicoleflores2054 You're allowed to think it's weird and dislike it, just like the rest of us are allowed to disagree, but none of us have to care what you think. It's fiction, so the relationship is only unhealthy if it's written to be that way. Just because you met someone as a child, doesn't mean they have to only exist as a child in your eyes forever. I can't comment on the batman thing cause I don't give a shit about DC comics. But Shiro did not raise Keith, no matter what any antis like to claim. There is no inc*st and there is no grooming in that ship. It's actually a very vanilla and basic ship, the only reason it's considered "problematic" is due to klantis grasping at straws to slander it, because they couldn't handle the popularity of a ship they saw as "in the way" of klance.
@@arielxlazarus ...sure, well, can't do anything about it.
I remember watching season 8 and thinking they broke too many power ceilings about four ceilings ago. Yeah. Plotline got wild in the end. But at least the ending was complete. I was happy for that.
Bro I can’t believe all the paladins died like no more Voltron team. Sad
I didn't interact with the fandom nearly as much and yet my interest in it died very early on because of exactly what you said- the epic proportions of everything all the time. I love a good battle but this show took the Dragon Ball approach and screamed their way into victory over and over and I felt nothing when they fell and crashed down. Keith and Peige were my favorite characters and I was looking forward to their developments and their adventures, but slowly it seemed that to get those we needed to jump through hoops of Sudden Plot Points that didn't do anything until we got what we wanted. Hunk was thrown aside way too easily and it was a damn shame, and I never managed to like Lance because it felt like any time he DID get developed, they swiped it under the rug.
I still can't believe I watched them all die at the end. Especially Shiro, but Especially Pidge...
So yeah, I wasn't in the midst of all the Fandom madness while I watched voltron, and I also didn't care for the end. It felt really lacking, unsatisfying. For a show that tried to emulate Gurren Lagann so much, it failed to understand what made Gurren Lagann good. A bit ironic for any Gurren Lagann fan haha.
Squandered potential/10
Considering you mentioned in an earlier part that you wished there were more mecha shows, I highly recommend Macross. Partly bc they have Macross characters hidden as easter eggs in Voltron and according to leaked design sketches, Shiro was originally supposed to marry a character from the original Macross series before he got changed to some nameless guy.
By Macross you mean Robotech?
At least where i'm from we call it Robotech.
And yes, it's amazing, all 3 of the classic series.
Apparently, Allura and Hunk (or Hunk was planned to be killed off) were gonna step down and Shiro would take the blue Lion, and Acxa the Yellow Lion. Acxa and Keith were gonna have an explicit romance, but this and her Paladin ascension were dropped. We probably could’ve avoided Allura’s sacrifice if these plans had followed through.
I think we all would have hated that even more oh my god.
@@Junoisverysleepyindeed, that sounds just as bad? And it still would've been another PoC being sacrificed for the greater good, which would be the same exact issue.
There was also plans to kill all the paladins and replace them with the MFE pilots
@@KariIzumi1 yeah, i mean, why couldn't they sacrifice Acxa herself? ☠☠☠
@@magicovento why kill anyone off, though? I mean I can give a pass on Shiro given the canon source but they ain't have to hurt anyone else
Adam: *exists*
Writers: Ice em