"unintended vehicle behaviour" Sure Polyphony. If that's the case, explain the sonic boom audio that occurs when the vehicle blasts off to space then? 🤔😂
I honestly think they’ve done a decent job on trying to make the game ‘realistic’ - that is the idea. Trail braking and understeer is very hard to get right in real life, so it should be hard to do on a driving simulator game. Unfortunately for me on controller, its less playable 😢. As an A rated driver - I have found adapting very difficult, but I will still keep trying.
@tom2443 Usually when you approach a corner you do all of your braking in a straight line and steer through the corner without applying the brakes again. Trail braking is the act of lightly applying the brakes through the corner to allow for more rotation and getting on the throttle earlier.
It’s probably more like iRacing where you don’t use 100% brake pressure. I found that using 80% or less can help with rotation. The cars are still set up for understeer though.
It did feel like at 100% pressure, even with ABS, the car seemed to slide as if the front bumper of the car was being used to brake rather than the actual tires - or that the brakes were slowing down at an uneven pace if it were too far in one direction or the other
@@_fudgepop01I haven’t tried the update and I don’t have a PlayStation wheel (sim racing without mods is crazy) but in a real car that doesn’t have downforce there is never a situation where you want to slam the brakes as far as you possibly can
@@kantina4765 Based on your statement, you shouldn't be even commenting here then. "I've nothing, I've no idea, no clue, I don't know even where I'm, but let me share my two cents... "
@@marcrafa_rp go ahead and smash the brake as hard as you can buddy, assuming you ever even drive on track that is. Seems unlikely given your overly confident reply, you never want to apply 100% braking force (which isn't even possible in a real car might I add).
I like the update. I find myself playing AC or ACC more often just because of the weird things that are required from you in GT7 to be fast. The snappy turn-in that all of the fast players do is unintuitive and clumsy if you're used to how a car is supposed to handle. One of my main complaints about this game has been the unrealistic amount of speed someone can carry through a corner, and its finally been fixed. +1 in my book. 5:45 is a perfect example - you shouldnt be able to crank the steering at that speed and not expect understeer. Good job devs
@sonyx5332 it's a game that self professes to be "the real driving simulator". You've always been able to do silly things on GT, which you just couldn't get away with in real life (nor could you in AC/ACC)
@@sonyx5332 true but we want to have fun racing and before the update being behind the wheel felt like shit it felt like driving a boat or something with almost every car there was no feedback. Iracing and ACC ffb are insane compared to pre-updated but now it has his own FFB and its insanely good tbh you finally feel the tires how you should
I love the new options there are at, or just past, the limit to play with. Dabs of handbrake and power slides feel so much better in 4wd and rally cars, while neutral steer/4 wheel slides can be controlled with the throttle or brake nicely. Overall the new physics are great, much closer to real life and much more intuitive. But also, except for a few boaty FR cars, it's all much more fun to me.
Budget wheel user here. Limited testing so far, but I feel I have much more control of the car after the update. Oversteer doesn't feel so random anymore and I find I can save the car more reliably. TC 1 was necessary for me pre update, but TC 0 feels pretty good now
Humorously, by giving the AI 19 of these buses, I was able to watch a Frenchman ascend to a speed of 202 *million* kilometers per hour. The instantaneous acceleration from 0 to 18% of the speed of light slowed down the flow of time itself for the frenchman, as the law of relativity is accurately modeled in this simulator. Oh, and so are sonic booms of vehicles exceeding Mach 1 speed.
@@Novaerian i recorded it, it's been floating on the GT discord server and I've posted it to Twitter too... Unfortunately I have shit upload so a proper recording of the entire launch will take a while, especially because it lags the replay so much 1 in game second becomes 3 real life seconds I wasn't kidding when I talked about relativity.
I just wish one thing. I wish PD were transparent with their patch notes. I wish they've explained the physics, how does it work and what is it we should expect. Yet alas, all the documentation releases are as ambiguous and unclear as they ever were.
i almost don't want to tweak the suspension at this point, i just got the hang of it, making drift builds ect, i don't feel like relearning it and the physics are undoubtedly worse
Interestingly, you can even see this suspension bug even in the trailer when the Impreza appears, its front axis suffers a sudden compression before the jump, and you can see the front right tyre instantaneously compressing in one frame of that trailer.
The new physics to me feel a lot more like other sims and less like an arcade.. I feel like i can manipulate the cars in the same way i do a real life car on a track. I think the cars now feel like they have a sense of momentum and a weight.
I totally agree. we are already nerfed with their slow turn speed, lock to lock speed (even at max 10 setting) and after the update the cars feel even more slow to turn. coupled with the ridiculously slow accelerator input (only on controller and cant turn off🤬) now the cars feel like they weigh 1000 tons. I'm getting real tired with PD and their sub par controller updates or lack there of, they cant even bother to throw in more setting options. they act like everyone should be on a wheel and F anyone else. If this doesn't change I'm quitting GT7 and trying ACC 🤬
Tip for max controller input at race start - on countdown to race 3 2 1 just press pause before and auto drive will apply 100% for you instead of the slower acceleration you see when holding R2 yourself.@@VinniStaglianno
If you forget that it is a game and instead adjust yourself to driving a real car - you will be fine. The cars are much more responsive in a natural way and much less responsive in the digital way. Now you need to work with the car, collaborate with it, instead of just constantly pushing and commanding it. Love the update. Enjoying driving so much now.
@@8ealerBS this new update sucks if We wanted Experience the “Reality” we would it in Real life with Real car… not in video game, They need to fix it again… 90% of cars are useless you can’t just Turn with them
As a controller user I hate this update. They went way too hard making the cars soft, it's like they put trampolines in instead of shocks. The cars just bounce all over the road and pitch back and forth way too much, and don't even get me started on the understeer, just horrendous. Also some cars PP level is now just an exclamation mark and I can't use it unless I detune it, like my 800+PP C7 ZR1
They just didn’t need to update it, add the new cars n’ shit, no need for a physics change, drifting feels god awful now, the snap oversteer you get on controller is biblical, fucking stupid.
The physics improved in my opinion even for controller use, cars feels better to drive, tyres get more realistic grip as well, and not to mention how much better the ditt physics become as well after the update, they also improve shifting, some sounds, and exhaust notes and supercharger sounds is even cleaner now,
@TBIRD0625 as a controller user you should go to NFS series instead of GT and let it for who wants a game simulator close to the real life as much as possible. No complaint about who wants to just drive an arcade game, however go for the correct game for your purpose.
The new physics are SO GOOD, I have an Omega profile sim rig and Fanatec DD+, this is what I've wanted from GT7 for years, finally I can catch sliding intuitively before it snaps as now I can feel the weight transfer of the car, I can feel the grip at EACH WHEEL. And the dirt physics are so damn good now, it's like playing Colin Mcrae Rally only more VISCEREL. The FFB is more detailed with much more subtle queues now rather than the onenote FFB of previous GT7, rewarding people with high power wheels that can turn up the FFB and feel the detail, time to buy Fanatec DD+ guys, you will not regret it, anyone complaining on controller or G29 , time to upgrade, 8nm direct drive is the minimum to appreciate this update, and you will have to set FFB to 80-100%. For DD+ My FFB settings are: FFB:50 (100 for CSL DD)(GT7 set to 8) FUL:50 NDP:50 NFR:15, NIN:10, INT:OFF, FEI: 100, FOR:100, SPR:OFF, DPR:100
It's really odd, it encourages you to use throttle and/or brakes more to turn the car. The braking is really unnatural feeling, stamp and release needs a different pattern than before. The nose just doesn't want to turn. Feels like they remodelled diffs as well
@@lucasallen9587 I'm trying to beat my gold license test times and I've found that in racing cars I can't come close while in road cars I smash the records Btw , for most of the license tests, the gold time has been pushed back by a second
One thing I truly wonder is Polyphony moving towards real life feel like iRacing watching GT3 on iRacing the physics obviously aren’t similar but the handling seems like they’re moving in that direction.
Everything seems to have much more noticeable understeer now, which is taking some getting used to, for me. It almost feels like this update was designed purposely to try and mix up the metas for daily races
I think it's for added realism. You want the cars to drive close to reality, is the whole point, not "GT way" for some kind of Call of Duty type "balancing". There are arcade racers for that lame crap.
Somehow I don't feel this way. The initial turn seems to be easier to achieve in the new model if you don't brake. It's more dynamic now, in my opinion.
I find that not applying 100% brakes on corner entry leads to far more oversteer than when I go full on. If ever I want to induce understeer I just mash the brakes. On throttle feels more progressive to induce oversteer. I'm using medium ABS, no TC or stability control, and all on controller.
It’s weird because they took a step in sim direction, but still managed to have goofy quirks. The lack of turn in bite on FR cars is a concern, the trail braking still feels off compared to other sims, and Still the PP system drives me insane with actively encouraging Aero understeer
one step forward two steps back as always. I dunno what it is with PD but their interpretation of "sim" has always bordered on comical. ACC, AMS, LMU, iRacing.. all much better representations of what a racecar will actually do.
I like the update - feels more realistic to me. Went from average 2,2% in time trail to 1.8% so far. Didn’t change my driving stile at all and can ride on the edge more comfortable🤔
Personally I don't find it any different. I play a lot, but I am probably lower mid tier at best, and still use a controller. To be honest these physics changes never seem to feel any different for me.
On controller, I really have to focus now, very intense with faster cars, but road cars are a nice, soft change of pace. Braking is def different though, im overspeeding all the time now.
So hard braking causes understeer, and abusing the grass and curbs upsets the cars? Wow, no wonder all the boo hoos from the masses who would rather “game” the game than drive a more realistic model
the force feedback changes are causing massive issues depending on what controller/wheel you are using. I had to change my ff and g29 wheel & pedal sensitivity to improve my tyre wear by 20%. did a test on suzuka with vantage gr3, 5 laps, 5x tyre, 5x fuel. the difference was the last lap with nearly 0 front tyre both left and right before vs 30% remaining on front left and 15% remaining on front right after the changes. not very realistic at all considering i'm doing the exact same lap, time, line and input on each comparison. I suspect there are other changes here but they are just mysterious and complicate the argument whether or not the physics are broken. so many variables here. I do think the physics have good changes, it feels more predictable now and on a g29 its much easier to predict a loss of control and regain control from a slide or spin.
I play with a controller, which of course is a tad different. The main issue i'm encountering is that you now need more precise inputs on braking, and well, that's definitely the hardest thing to do on the controller. My laptimes have taken quite a dive since this new update. Also, i mainly drive gt3's, so... yey. Another issue i had was the weekly race with the new lambo (gallardo iirc), that was hilarious, i couldn't complete a single lap without the car massively snapping on me on the exit of corners. And of course with the braking inputs now needing to be more precise, i didn't have a good time going into many of the corners either. I didn't really bother with trying to get to grips with the car either, just win the race, get the credits and move on. So definitely some shared responsibility between me and the new update when it comes to my performance there. I don't know, up to now, I can only give this update a big thumbs down. I don't drive roadcars, so them getting better doesn't really affect me, but the gt3's performing worse really bugs me, as that is 90% of my racing. Again, it may be different on a steering wheel as pedals do allow more precise control, but with a controller, it really got a lot harder imo. My avg laptimes on nurnburgring 24h are atm still 4 seconds slower than they used to be, and I do end up kissing the barrier and mowing the lawn a lot more often now. It just got waaay too snappy for me to be able to overcome with the controller. Maybe after enough time i'll get the hang of it, but right now, it's pretty terrible.
On the Logitech G Pro Wheel - it's SO MUCH BETTER ... It simply feels much more natural to steer and to brake, and the connection between wheel and breaking fits the experience i have from driving a real car. Its much more natural to negotiate over- and understeering. And if you hit the grassnow - fast and in a corner ... you're f... . As in real life ;). I have even found it easier to configure the settings and now i get the results i expect.
@@mr_kiwind pretty sure 10 and 10, because of how low torque the wheel is, and if I turn down the sensitivity I just start losing the feel for whats happening with the car. I don’t have problems with clipping but will turn down the sensitivity for high downforce cars(grp1) or I start shaking down the straight lol
next week is bathurst as race C and i’ve seen lots of people saying that driving an MR in sector 2 is gonna be a death sentence. I’d like to see more feedback from others as the changes obviously effects wheel users much more than the controller users
I've tried both and it has definitely ruined the game for controller users too, it's much harder on controller now. My wheel also has no FFB after the update lol
@@nine182can confirm I did both time trial challenges. Eiger with Subaru near impossible for me to get silver yet on the Ferrari time trial I’m half a second clear of the gold time. The “understeer” makes it very difficult to race with a controller.
Yes, Porsche is practically undriveable in Bathurst. Turn 2 and downhill is very hard to do on controller. The rear snaps all the time since you need to trail brake between 20 and 30% which is very hard to do if you only have 10 mm of movement on the controller with zero feedback which you get using a wheel. 1 mm too much input means your rear goes and 1 mm below means you miss the corner. To be that precise you need massive talent or practice. I did around 6h in Gr. 3 and still can’t handle the cars with low A+ DR. Can only imagine how bad it is for average player. Trail braking in some turns is just way too hard on pad like watkins glen right hander uphill. Even if the rear doesn’t go you need to release the brake very very gentle and i am not able to do it consistently. It took the fun out of the game for me for now. Hope either i improve massively or PD adjusts things.
Controller player here. Personally the understeer and kerbs are absolutely disgusting and have frankly ruined the game for me. It feels clunky, slow and unforgiving. Edit: and altogether not fun.
I just hope they fix the issue of suspension stiffness cars I really enjoy driving like the 911 gt3 rs and the M3 '89 they all keep kitting the fender and now matter what I do in the settings it still happens, I've tried video tunes, nothing, I've tried increasing ride hight, cars look ugly and still nothing, tried stiffening the suspension, nothing, the only thing that worked was lowering the anti-roll numbers down, and it still happened here and there, honestly I feel like this was a good change for dirt and wet conditions but for dry conditions cars feel really under steery. I'm kinda at 50/50 with this update
I completely agree! All of the cars that I painstakingly tuned, now bounce around like a beach ball at high speeds and shake like crazy when cornering. I know there's a happy medium in theee somewhere, but I'm not excited to try and find it again. However, some cars do feel better and racing feels more comfortable with those cars. It'll take time for me I guess.
The FD3S (i run SS tires @ 600pp) hits the front bumpstops under heavy braking and the rear does this weird thing where itll lift the inner tire and immediately snap oversteer. It physically hops in the air so bad it’s visable in the replay. This happens especially on a downhill corner. Ive tried to tune around it but it’s broken. Before 1.49 and after its the same. Best way is to use stock suspension but it still does it. Feels like it would be a great car if it wasnt bugged. The ‘89 Vette does this but to a smaller degree
@@matos_x_ my Bugatti swapped GTR and Hurrican wobble like crazy at high speeds and my maxed out Gallardo is almost undrivable in certain situations. My GTR and Hurrican were perfect. I'll keep playing with the suspension I guess.
@@WOLFER. I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT (still testing, but cars habdle do much better)! Raise the body height so it's not slammed. Max Anti-Roll Bar, max compression, and max expansion. Changing those settings settled my cars down A LOT and they don't bounce all over and handle better in turns. This is my starting point, and I'll fine tune from there. But this was promising.
AI is even worse now, they are constantly making mistakes and missing corners, and crashing regularly. The new WTC 600 race is harder than a lot of the chilies races!
@@corrodedAgreed, I won that race by only 5 secs driving a very modified R33 GT-R. On medium difficulty.. Had no chance on hard, not sure I can do it, will be a challenge.
@@michaelkillerman bud, u do you. Please don't talk to me about real world. Been there, done that.....not basing my statement of off what other "real sim racers" have said and now just latching on and repeating. Go do it, then talk. U can get around a wet track on non wets, not competitively.... But u can. The chav who made the comment about getting around the track on slicks is probably 50 sec off the pace of a driver using the right tyre....... Doesn't mean he didn't get around the track.
I saw a video earlier today where people are just driving on dry tyres in the wet weather....it doesn't seem to effect grip that much anymore maybe worth a super GT look 👀
I was so confused on what happened, one day I’m killing it and have complete control of my car and the next I’m spinning out crazy and randomly, a lot of adjusting to this new update
i've only spent 8-9 hours in GT since the new physics, and very little of that in the wet, but I must say, I'm enjoying the new handling a lot. Not sure if it just happens to suit my driving style, but more importantly, I feel like the FFB has improved a lot. The FFB seems to be much more informative, enabling me to correct out of a mistake more easily b/c I have a greater understanding about how the tyres and suspension are reacting to the track. I did experience the understeer quite a bit too while getting used to the Eiger Nordwand, but it didn't seem overly prevalent on other tracks. Maybe those hairpins just tend to make Eiger a bit more of a front limited track. (the ft tyre wear outpaced the rears noticeably due to the fronts sliding a lot)
I like this new feel, it feels like a more logical approach to driving. Rather than learning how to drive in GT7, its more like if you drive good irl that understanding is transferable to GT7. The braking is where this is really evident
A lot of people comparing the physics to that of real cars. I have to disagree. They are completely exaggerated. I own an Rx8 and two mx5's. In the interest of the fairest possible test, I have driven both of them in the new update, completely stock. Both now understeer aggressively at speeds that their real life counterparts would have no issues with, and both oversteer aggressively as soon as you trailbrake. IRL trailbraking is not that sensitive in the majority of cars. 10-15% braking pressure is all you need to pitch the nose in to the apex, in the game, it now feels like you are locking the rear diff while cranking the steering lock on and holding braking pressure late into the corner, just from a normal amount of trail braking. It's absurd! The oversteer/understeer characteristics were poor before the update but this is a massive overcorrection. People saying it's more realistic just because it's hyper sensitive now. Newsflash, more sensitivity doesn't always mean it's more realistic. Gr cars seem to be barely affected but road cars are utterly hopeless now.
I am a rare gt7 player using the tilt function of a PS4 controller to drive and I conducted a little scientific experiment, driving a gr.3 around deep forest. My findings are that my time after the update was _three seconds_ off my old time. It wasn't the car; I just couldn't drive the thing anymore. Bonkers amounts of understeer and paradoxically a far looser rear end on the power. Driving the honda F1 thingy demonstrates the steering changes very well. My personal take is that this update is a net negative really, but only in its implementation. It makes the game a lot less accessible for those not willing/able to fork out the money for a wheel, and I feel like the understeering on the brakes is the key part of this. It feels like there is a huge reduction in mechanical grip specifically.
Far be it from humble, little me to tell a very fine driver, such as yourself, Mr Steve, but I think your ABS level might be about +5% too much... Shrink that red rectangle when braking straight? You'll be overheating your front tyres a smidge, which won't help with understeer? Your brake trace looks to drop from 100% straight to 90% when you start trailbraking Just a thought 👍
ABS works weirdly in this game. You can brake at 50% and there's still a red rectangle. The way the fastest people drove is by slamming the brakes to 100% until the turning starts. I never could do that kind of driving so I'm glad they changed it
Coming from F1 to GT7 used to be so easy using the same techniques, now like you said immediate under-steer, no trail braking so hard to get it rotated, like said, you cant be at the limit, you really got to choose between braking and steering. As you mentioned best way to round is to under drive the car =/ just came here to confirm. Great Video!
UPDATE your fanatec firmware guys! My DD Pro wheelbase had less torque and was too sensative after the update. But it also seemed to be purveying the wrong detail at the wrong time which was making my lap time worse. The firmware seems to go hand in hand with this GT7 update. I still dialled down the sensativity a little but it was much more fun to drive after the firmware update. This 1.49 update was so hyped, I think it was not the right time to introduce a physic change. Physics was fine as it was, VR Hud needs an update, Cars need updating, Tickets need an update, Sophy needs an update(and lose those arcade emojis!). I think the competition is about to get heated within sim racing titles and Polyphony need to listen to their audience.
I feel like that update was made with the top players in mind. Being at the top meant they had to understand how to abuse the physics and it would lead to some completely crazy driving styles you could witness simply by watching the replays from the weekly time trial's top scorers. People were often four wheel sliding through corners at blistering speed which always looked very insane, unrealistic and straight up broken. I feel like the update was made to adress that issue specifically (among other things). However, those driving styles also required pretty much a mastery of the physics model to be exploited properly, which most people didn't have anyway. I play casually on a controller and I felt like the physics were nearly as perfect as it gets for someone like me, allowing me to express myself pretty easily without absolute mastery of the system. It was obviously a little too forgiving, catching up oversteer especially felt pretty generous, but perfect for my limited skill set and hardware. Now I feel like all this was sacrificed in order to give us something more "realistic" that can't be as easily exploited (however will inevitably end up being because some people are always trying to push things to the limit especially in a competitive setting) which is good for fair competition at the top but pretty jarring for the rest of us. I would get why GT7 would go that route as it is trying to prove its relevance as a legitimate driving "simulator" which present itself as a bridge between virtual and real life racing, but I can't say that I'm personnaly finding the change too enjoyable so far to say the least... Now everything that isn't a road car feel difficult to rotate, all tyres feel a lot more grippy overall and so it is way harder to catch oversteer (I'm really struggling to drift now, which is sad because it's something I really enjoy doing on my controller) and the road cars's suspensions are now all pretty wobbly, which is very strange and maybe unexpected perhaps - it basically feels like all the values were lowered, especially the anti-roll bars and the frequency; if you crank those up, it seems to get more manageable though you still have to deal with the increased tyre grip. This can be easier to manage on a wheel but requires an immense level of finess and dexterity on a controller inherently not designed for such subtle levels of input. I feel like most people being fairly casual players explains why the changes have been received somewhat poorly so far, or at least with, let's say, "mixed enthusiasm".
The braking distances are longer because you can't stamp on the brakes any more, you need to adjust braking force not allowing ABS to kick in to much. I love it. Check the braking force bar and adjust to it. After you learn, it feels great and the car want to turn as well. Change in ABS behavior was mentioned in patch notes.
@@naico144 don't brake at full pressure heading into a corner: give it around 85ish percent brake pressure and bleed it off as your speed decreases (to stop the ABS from interfering), more so once you begin to turn the car. You can hold about 5-10% brake pressure as you move into the corner to eek out some extra rotation (trail braking). It works quite well.
@@theminec ohhh I see, thanks. I always had this doubt about the game, but is it faster with or without ABS now? Before I think it was faster with ABS on right?
@@naico144 it used be faster with abs, correct. Now, I think most people are going to be using ABS weak, and no ABS will be viable. Idk which will be faster though.
Well that proves that my wheel is the issue. I'm driving on 10/10 ffb all the time and it was quite nice before the upgrade but now I just feel nothing at all quite often. 😂 Can't adjust anything on my wheel though.
My cars are the opposite. Road cars limited to 600pp, sport tires. Now theyre 608-615pp. To adjust i cut power, depending on the car theyre all down 30-60hp. This plus rolling resistance is higher and theres no more top end. Sadge 😢
@@matos_x_It's so hilariously bi-polar in some cases, for the RS5 DTM car I had to lop 20 horsepower off, add a full hundred points of downforce to the rear, switch to hard tires, and finally (this is the big one) add 93 extra kg of ballast to get it back down to 800pp. Compare that to the CLK GTR, which I added 15 horsepower to, switched to softs, pulled all of the ballast out of, and took 30 points of downforce off the rear. In both cases the car has zero turn-in, worse top speed, and at least for the CLK, a significantly snappier rear end on throttle.
@@jsleeio Pre-patch, in full performance spec, I ran even _less_ rear downforce than the current setup, and it was still dead stable off of corners unless I did something really stupid to upset it. Also note that the 'less rear downforce' bit is literally 5 points (I dramatically overestimated what the difference was and had to double-check) , and the increased power should've been offset by the switch to softs instead of mediums. Literally every aspect of its performance got worse.
This update isn’t even good for the G29, i went from winning all my races to now loosing and my car spinning out just by been off the grass a tiny tiny bit and for some reason ai and players have been crashing more often than usual after the update.
I don't understand why they felt the need to change the physics this late in the game - all they stand to do is alienate people that play casually and don't have time to relearn how to drive. 🤔
Really odd bug i found on the new track. Pitting during a race will mean you clear a sector in the pitlane. This will cause your optimal laptime to be unobtainable for the race based on your best sector times.
The Dodge Viper in real life has massively fat front tires and heavier negative camber which increase understeer. So do GT3 cars, most are 2.5-3 degrees negative plus they have super stiff suspension making weight transfer less perceptible. New physics suggests previous set up may need to be tweaked. The 97 M3 is super predictable around Eiger and rear-end stepping out and easily corrected, just like the car is IRL. And I don't have a sim rig, just the PS4 controller.
I know this is supposed to be a Sim but they also know this game is supposed to be fun right? This update just seems to make driving even harder and worse.
it feels like it'll take a few updates to make this game good on the controller which is a shame, otherwise it seems like a good step in a right direction
Love the track, hate the physics mostly, mixed bag over all. Some cars became uncontrolable under brakes compared to before, spinning out on straights without steering input. PP ratings changed requring re-tuning to keep them in their PP ranges, costing up to 5 seconds in lap times. On the plus side, rally/dirt handling improved significantly and is actually fun now. Wheel/FFB settings are apparently glitched for some wheels, but can't confirm for the lack of a wheel.
As a casual controller user, the update has killed the game for me. I loved just being able to pick up a controller, jump into a competitive race and still be competitive whilst still having a decent experience. Im not wanting to spend £200+ just to be able to play a game. Of course it's marketed as a "driving simulator" but it's a massive shame for me that it feels like they've completely lost the spirit of gran turismo and what made me fall in love with the game. I hope they do something to make controller playability a better experience as i can't see myself playing the game again which is gutting.
These constant changes to physics to further hamper and reduce pace for people who are actually good at the game is ridiculous. They always want to slow down the fast people for the sake of saving the bums.
I'm on the side of loving the new physics, it fits my driving style way better and it has completely brought me back to the game! You're killing it SUPER GT!! Keep it up!!!
As someone who doesn't play and only watches, this seems like an amazing update. The dry seems to just be adjusting yourself to this being the new normal, and some tweaking will, of course, be done still. Wet seems incredible. Dirt, too, although that's hard to notice at times with the fixed camera, makes everything look less smooth/good. I love the idea of people with different lines and strategies that work with different cars battling in the wet. Looking forward to that, I'd love to see more variation like the Mitsubishi recently. It's so nice to see different cars in action. Cheers
I have no experience track racing in real life but i have some experience in offroad racing and I always thought there was too much going on with the wheel but now I have to say I like how the car lands and settles on the dirt now but the gliding feels like you are on a frozen lake covered in powder snow and I'm not really feeling the bumps and camber of the track, feels a bit dull. It's kind of like feeling up your partner with oven mitts on if that makes sense. So somewhere in between would be the sweet spot for me realism wise. Kudos on the Jordan livery btw.
You say "it's hard to steer" with a nice set, imagine steering with the joystick, it's a nightmare.... i go slow and have a sharp turn, i let go of the gas and add no brake since i was already slow, but the car goes straight, it doesn't even flinch... and i myself have driven sporty cars like RX-8, i gotta say that reality is much different from the game, in reality even if you go fast, the car turns any way you want...
Jumps feel miles better, and direction changes are much faster. I disagree with Steve on the GT dirt physics previously, it was ass. First time I've enjoyed GT dirt really.
I also noticed that the over down force has been significantly reduced. The Peugeot HDI FAP LMP car used to have a max down force of 2000 on the rear. Now it's max is 1600. Another thing is the tyres give you more PP. My 600 car has sport hards, it was 599.67, after the update, it's 608.78. So i had to significantly reduce my horsepower to comply with 600 PP.
Is it just me or does someone else think they broke the whole game with this physics update? Somehow a lot of cars behave very weird. The suspention does some ridiculous stuff like hammering up and down on some cars like the mazda 3. And a lot of cars tend to understeer way too quick. Also a lot of cars have now completely different lp levels than they had before. Some cars even just have an attention sign instead of the lp points and you cant use your settings anymore that worked perfectly fine.
Everytime they do this I quit playing for several months until I find the desire to deal with retuning all my favorite custom builds. First time it was 6 months. Second time was 7 months. Edit. Call me crazy. The night if the update I played the game immediately after the update. The car I was racing just before the update added 3- 6 seconds onto every race. Ran them all twice with same results across the board. Went to bed pissed. Today. I play again. Same car. Same races. All races shaved 3-5 seconds off the times I set the morning(4am) of the update. Did they change something to fix the glitches from the update or am I experiencing something else? Car did feel more planted with less snap oversteer despite still being floaty and bouncy from the update. Weird. Oh and BTW use the new free PP points to lighten your car if possible. Grip is where you lost the points gained from the update.
Yes, I find I’m actually more confident and faster through corners now, on the BAC mono challenge my lap times went from 2:01 down to 1:59. But the feel in the wheel is even more numb than it used to be, terrible…
I had a break from GT7 - for about 3 months... when I came back, one of my favorite driving machines (Alfa Romeo 4C Gr.3) is just bloody awful now. And I'm on a controller.
@SuperGT, I noticed a massive tyre wear issue from using a g29 wheel. I changed the force feedback settings to the absolute minimum and lowered my steering and pedal sensitivity and now I have a 20% tyre wear improvement. I'm doing the exact same lap, time, line and did a comparison on suzuka with 5 laps, 5x tyre, 5x fuel in a vantage gr3. I can't comprehend what is causing the massive difference but there's alot going on here. This update probably means everyone will have a different experience and clinical testing needs to be done to get to the bottom of this mess! I have a feeling something is wrong with the tyre model which clouds the improvements of the more realistic handling physics.
I drove the new model last night and it's a FABULOUS upgrade. I was soooo hooked by the new physics, they feel completely natural to me and much more refined. Soooo immersion. And if you notice, there are visual upgrades in lighting! When the sun hits cars it's practically blinding now and sun REALLY comes into the cockpit. I think it's a hint at Ps5 Pro raytracing. GT8 is going to be INSANE
I don't quite like the new phyisics. Lot of my cars have changed pp ratings or just an exclaimation mark, so annoying. And it took me way too long to change all of them
@@alextanner115 I was skeptic the first hour but after playing for a bit its growing and growing. The braking is more presiced now if you brake correctly you are like glued on the corners. Its way easyer to manipulate the car like how it is in real life.
I feel like the new physics update messed up some of the missions, specifically the one with the slr McLaren. I could be bad (very likely) however I’ve looked at guides for how to complete with gold and even when getting the same racing lines and settings I come nowhere near passing either where the guide is nor passing the final car. My best attempt I was still a car and a half behind 1st. I have had no other issues with missions thus far and hope it is just a skill issue as this would suck for newer players or completionists if it is impossible with the new physics
Are you on a wheel or controller? Because on a controller, the grouped cars feel like trying to turn an aircraft carrier with a paddle. Absolutely zero turn-in, and no vibration feedback mid-corner. Road cars at least have _some_ turn-in, but have awful midcorner stability unless you're extremely careful with your trail braking, to the point that I'd say a fair few modified road cars are undriveable for most controller players.
@@griffinfaulkner3514G29 wheel, road cars feel non existent on comfort tiers so I had to compensate with sports tires and the car just spins out with little input
Massive improvement for me on my G29. Feels similar to all the hours I put in to Assetto Corsa original on PC years ago. GT games have never 'felt' as good to drive compared to the cars on original AC and this update is hugely similar to my feel. I know it's not necessarily the most realistic as iracing, ACC, rfactor 2 etc but for road cars at least, it's a huge step in the right direction. I've used AC twice to prepare for track days in an MX5 and it was hugely useful for not only understanding a track, but for controlling the car on the limit for oversteer, understeer, braking technique and throttle control. GT now feels a lot closer to doing this more effectively than ever. I do understand that to a huge chunk of the player base this could be frustrating. It's a step towards more full fat SIM characteristics for car control than ever before.
Physics suck azz. Forget the flying cars, regular cars sliding all over the place. That's not how real cars behave. And I'll never forgive them for nerfing the 787B.
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Super GT working overtime this week!! Love it
True lmao
About time. Been doing a video every fortnight at best for the part year. Even member content Is 0
I open RUclips and I see a new video from Super GT everyday this week
"unintended vehicle behaviour"
Sure Polyphony. If that's the case, explain the sonic boom audio that occurs when the vehicle blasts off to space then? 🤔😂
There is?
haha in fairness its just a byproduct of simulating the speed of sound
GT7 The Real Samba Bus Simulator
I honestly think they’ve done a decent job on trying to make the game ‘realistic’ - that is the idea. Trail braking and understeer is very hard to get right in real life, so it should be hard to do on a driving simulator game. Unfortunately for me on controller, its less playable 😢. As an A rated driver - I have found adapting very difficult, but I will still keep trying.
Absolutely agree.
What is trail breaking? Can someone explain plz?
@@tom2443 feathering and sustaining your brake pedal while you turn into a corner
@tom2443 Usually when you approach a corner you do all of your braking in a straight line and steer through the corner without applying the brakes again. Trail braking is the act of lightly applying the brakes through the corner to allow for more rotation and getting on the throttle earlier.
@@olib2officialfromroblox949 👍
It’s probably more like iRacing where you don’t use 100% brake pressure. I found that using 80% or less can help with rotation. The cars are still set up for understeer though.
@@rodolphopereiranetogo easier
It did feel like at 100% pressure, even with ABS, the car seemed to slide as if the front bumper of the car was being used to brake rather than the actual tires - or that the brakes were slowing down at an uneven pace if it were too far in one direction or the other
@@_fudgepop01I haven’t tried the update and I don’t have a PlayStation wheel (sim racing without mods is crazy) but in a real car that doesn’t have downforce there is never a situation where you want to slam the brakes as far as you possibly can
@@kantina4765 Based on your statement, you shouldn't be even commenting here then. "I've nothing, I've no idea, no clue, I don't know even where I'm, but let me share my two cents... "
@@marcrafa_rp go ahead and smash the brake as hard as you can buddy, assuming you ever even drive on track that is. Seems unlikely given your overly confident reply, you never want to apply 100% braking force (which isn't even possible in a real car might I add).
I like the update. I find myself playing AC or ACC more often just because of the weird things that are required from you in GT7 to be fast. The snappy turn-in that all of the fast players do is unintuitive and clumsy if you're used to how a car is supposed to handle. One of my main complaints about this game has been the unrealistic amount of speed someone can carry through a corner, and its finally been fixed. +1 in my book. 5:45 is a perfect example - you shouldnt be able to crank the steering at that speed and not expect understeer. Good job devs
This is exactly why i left this game for iracing before after testing the new updste im so back! Love it
@@Christaz9 at the end of the day, it is a video game and not a real car.
@sonyx5332 it's a game that self professes to be "the real driving simulator". You've always been able to do silly things on GT, which you just couldn't get away with in real life (nor could you in AC/ACC)
@@sonyx5332 true but we want to have fun racing and before the update being behind the wheel felt like shit it felt like driving a boat or something with almost every car there was no feedback. Iracing and ACC ffb are insane compared to pre-updated but now it has his own FFB and its insanely good tbh you finally feel the tires how you should
I love the new options there are at, or just past, the limit to play with. Dabs of handbrake and power slides feel so much better in 4wd and rally cars, while neutral steer/4 wheel slides can be controlled with the throttle or brake nicely.
Overall the new physics are great, much closer to real life and much more intuitive. But also, except for a few boaty FR cars, it's all much more fun to me.
Budget wheel user here.
Limited testing so far, but I feel I have much more control of the car after the update. Oversteer doesn't feel so random anymore and I find I can save the car more reliably. TC 1 was necessary for me pre update, but TC 0 feels pretty good now
I am with ya
I always knew I watched Thomas the Sambabus as a kid and no locomotive!
A new Mandela Effect right there...
Humorously, by giving the AI 19 of these buses, I was able to watch a Frenchman ascend to a speed of 202 *million* kilometers per hour.
The instantaneous acceleration from 0 to 18% of the speed of light slowed down the flow of time itself for the frenchman, as the law of relativity is accurately modeled in this simulator.
Oh, and so are sonic booms of vehicles exceeding Mach 1 speed.
I *need* to see this recorded, this is not a request, this is a demand 😂
@@Novaerian i recorded it, it's been floating on the GT discord server and I've posted it to Twitter too...
Unfortunately I have shit upload so a proper recording of the entire launch will take a while, especially because it lags the replay so much 1 in game second becomes 3 real life seconds
I wasn't kidding when I talked about relativity.
@@chickenheart3612 WTF 😂😂😂
nah i NEED to see a clip of this
@@Someoneudk890 fine, I'm gonna upload it to RUclips as public, it's gonna come in the next couple days if my ISP allows it.
I just wish one thing. I wish PD were transparent with their patch notes. I wish they've explained the physics, how does it work and what is it we should expect. Yet alas, all the documentation releases are as ambiguous and unclear as they ever were.
Yea. I think PD dont bother because most people either wont understand or wont care. That’s why we test
As is the whole game.
@@matos_x_ exactly
i almost don't want to tweak the suspension at this point, i just got the hang of it, making drift builds ect, i don't feel like relearning it and the physics are undoubtedly worse
Or they don't want to give their secrets away @@matos_x_
Interestingly, you can even see this suspension bug even in the trailer when the Impreza appears, its front axis suffers a sudden compression before the jump, and you can see the front right tyre instantaneously compressing in one frame of that trailer.
The new physics to me feel a lot more like other sims and less like an arcade.. I feel like i can manipulate the cars in the same way i do a real life car on a track. I think the cars now feel like they have a sense of momentum and a weight.
👍
before the update i felt like we all had to adapt to be fast now its like there can be diffrent driving styles that can work and not only one.
@@Christaz9 I feel like my real life track day / road driving weight shift throttle and breaking balancing is working now..
@@CharlieBeveridge Im driving with so much more confidence after this update :D
@@Christaz9 Same..
Turning corners with a controller is now a nightmare,especially with the new eiger track in reverse
I totally agree. we are already nerfed with their slow turn speed, lock to lock speed (even at max 10 setting) and after the update the cars feel even more slow to turn. coupled with the ridiculously slow accelerator input (only on controller and cant turn off🤬) now the cars feel like they weigh 1000 tons. I'm getting real tired with PD and their sub par controller updates or lack there of, they cant even bother to throw in more setting options. they act like everyone should be on a wheel and F anyone else. If this doesn't change I'm quitting GT7 and trying ACC 🤬
@VinniStaglianno how are you playing acc on controller? It's damn near unplayable on controller for me
@@VinniStaglianno
Use motion Sensor
Tip for max controller input at race start - on countdown to race 3 2 1 just press pause before and auto drive will apply 100% for you instead of the slower acceleration you see when holding R2 yourself.@@VinniStaglianno
@@VinniStagliannohope that helps
If you forget that it is a game and instead adjust yourself to driving a real car - you will be fine. The cars are much more responsive in a natural way and much less responsive in the digital way.
Now you need to work with the car, collaborate with it, instead of just constantly pushing and commanding it.
Love the update. Enjoying driving so much now.
The problem is you can't really do that on controller. Not all of us have the expendable income to devote to a setup for a single "game."
@@PlazDreamweaver I play on controller and it is better now actually. Never played on wheel though.
@@8ealerBS this new update sucks if We wanted Experience the “Reality” we would it in Real life with Real car… not in video game, They need to fix it again… 90% of cars are useless you can’t just Turn with them
As a controller user I hate this update. They went way too hard making the cars soft, it's like they put trampolines in instead of shocks. The cars just bounce all over the road and pitch back and forth way too much, and don't even get me started on the understeer, just horrendous. Also some cars PP level is now just an exclamation mark and I can't use it unless I detune it, like my 800+PP C7 ZR1
Yes this!
you’re not alone, It’s trash on fanatec wheel too
They just didn’t need to update it, add the new cars n’ shit, no need for a physics change, drifting feels god awful now, the snap oversteer you get on controller is biblical, fucking stupid.
The physics improved in my opinion even for controller use, cars feels better to drive, tyres get more realistic grip as well, and not to mention how much better the ditt physics become as well after the update, they also improve shifting, some sounds, and exhaust notes and supercharger sounds is even cleaner now,
@TBIRD0625 as a controller user you should go to NFS series instead of GT and let it for who wants a game simulator close to the real life as much as possible. No complaint about who wants to just drive an arcade game, however go for the correct game for your purpose.
The new physics are SO GOOD, I have an Omega profile sim rig and Fanatec DD+, this is what I've wanted from GT7 for years, finally I can catch sliding intuitively before it snaps as now I can feel the weight transfer of the car, I can feel the grip at EACH WHEEL. And the dirt physics are so damn good now, it's like playing Colin Mcrae Rally only more VISCEREL. The FFB is more detailed with much more subtle queues now rather than the onenote FFB of previous GT7, rewarding people with high power wheels that can turn up the FFB and feel the detail, time to buy Fanatec DD+ guys, you will not regret it, anyone complaining on controller or G29 , time to upgrade, 8nm direct drive is the minimum to appreciate this update, and you will have to set FFB to 80-100%. For DD+ My FFB settings are: FFB:50 (100 for CSL DD)(GT7 set to 8) FUL:50 NDP:50 NFR:15, NIN:10, INT:OFF, FEI: 100, FOR:100, SPR:OFF, DPR:100
It's really odd, it encourages you to use throttle and/or brakes more to turn the car. The braking is really unnatural feeling, stamp and release needs a different pattern than before. The nose just doesn't want to turn. Feels like they remodelled diffs as well
A random suggestion, but maybe try completing some of the gold license challenges with the new physics to see if they got impossibly harder.
They definitely did … I was flying through them until today now I can’t gold any new ones
@@lucasallen9587 I'm trying to beat my gold license test times and I've found that in racing cars I can't come close while in road cars I smash the records
Btw , for most of the license tests, the gold time has been pushed back by a second
@@anthonykazi543 that’s so weird but good to know
@@anthonykazi543 the one i was struggling with was a race car so it checks out
One thing I truly wonder is Polyphony moving towards real life feel like iRacing watching GT3 on iRacing the physics obviously aren’t similar but the handling seems like they’re moving in that direction.
In the new Sardegna challenge with the Gallardo the car randomly goes left or right in two parts of the track. This is with no steering input.
I found I had to tinker with the diffs quite a lot to make it behave kinda OK
There is a map where I use an old Ferrari and it's like I hit a random wall and cannot make a right turn
I had the same happen to me
@@petrossteadilious glad it's not just me. I thought I was going crazy at first. I kept restarting and examining the replay.
Yup, same thing for me as well
Everything seems to have much more noticeable understeer now, which is taking some getting used to, for me.
It almost feels like this update was designed purposely to try and mix up the metas for daily races
I think it's for added realism. You want the cars to drive close to reality, is the whole point, not "GT way" for some kind of Call of Duty type "balancing". There are arcade racers for that lame crap.
Somehow I don't feel this way. The initial turn seems to be easier to achieve in the new model if you don't brake. It's more dynamic now, in my opinion.
I feel exactly the opposite i can finally turn the car with my brakes and turns pretty good lol before the updade i felt like understeer was insane
high downforce cars do understeer even if RWD. Its much more realistic now
@@EazyDuz18 you actually can manipulate some cars for your liking tho. didnt was like that before which is a Big W
It’s bumpy as hell on the nordschleife now.
But it’s bloody fun to slide a lot of corners with new physics 😅
I find that not applying 100% brakes on corner entry leads to far more oversteer than when I go full on. If ever I want to induce understeer I just mash the brakes. On throttle feels more progressive to induce oversteer. I'm using medium ABS, no TC or stability control, and all on controller.
Yea same. Terrifiying snap oversteer going from 100% brake to anything slightly less than 100%.
It sounds like now things are super sim and a huge step up. Big learning curve now.
It’s weird because they took a step in sim direction, but still managed to have goofy quirks. The lack of turn in bite on FR cars is a concern, the trail braking still feels off compared to other sims, and Still the PP system drives me insane with actively encouraging Aero understeer
one step forward two steps back as always. I dunno what it is with PD but their interpretation of "sim" has always bordered on comical. ACC, AMS, LMU, iRacing.. all much better representations of what a racecar will actually do.
The sambabus bug is a thing of beauty 😍
I like the update - feels more realistic to me. Went from average 2,2% in time trail to 1.8% so far. Didn’t change my driving stile at all and can ride on the edge more comfortable🤔
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Here hello, GT Super viewers
Hello viewer, fellow viewer here 😂
Not today please
Well obviously. . . Stupid joke, get off the internet.
@@Datakrashcollective When will it stop? 😢
I will say the steering feels super slow on controller.
Yes I had to raise sensitivity to 7, before I was using 4
@@poyocrui used default since GTSport. So 7 is the way now?
@@poyocru you were on 4!!? I have on max 10 and its still too slow. after the update, the cars feel like they weight 1000 pounds. not happy.
I just went from always using 1 to 2 😅
@@VinniStaglianno Well I mean, the average weight of a car is somewhere between 2500 lbs and up to 5000+ lbs, so... 🤓
I feel like the physics have made it more difficult for drivers with lower driver rating and casual gamers
I agree, I just played and found it very hard to do a lap on daily B without spinning out
Personally I don't find it any different. I play a lot, but I am probably lower mid tier at best, and still use a controller. To be honest these physics changes never seem to feel any different for me.
On controller, I really have to focus now, very intense with faster cars, but road cars are a nice, soft change of pace. Braking is def different though, im overspeeding all the time now.
So hard braking causes understeer, and abusing the grass and curbs upsets the cars? Wow, no wonder all the boo hoos from the masses who would rather “game” the game than drive a more realistic model
That's right!
That was my thought too... isn't that what "realistic" is supposed to be? Last time I saw a fast car hit grass at those speeds, it went bye bye 😅😂
the force feedback changes are causing massive issues depending on what controller/wheel you are using. I had to change my ff and g29 wheel & pedal sensitivity to improve my tyre wear by 20%. did a test on suzuka with vantage gr3, 5 laps, 5x tyre, 5x fuel. the difference was the last lap with nearly 0 front tyre both left and right before vs 30% remaining on front left and 15% remaining on front right after the changes. not very realistic at all considering i'm doing the exact same lap, time, line and input on each comparison. I suspect there are other changes here but they are just mysterious and complicate the argument whether or not the physics are broken. so many variables here. I do think the physics have good changes, it feels more predictable now and on a g29 its much easier to predict a loss of control and regain control from a slide or spin.
I love the feel for road car. The cup tunes and low PP feel amazing! Steering input is much improved.
I play with a controller, which of course is a tad different. The main issue i'm encountering is that you now need more precise inputs on braking, and well, that's definitely the hardest thing to do on the controller. My laptimes have taken quite a dive since this new update. Also, i mainly drive gt3's, so... yey.
Another issue i had was the weekly race with the new lambo (gallardo iirc), that was hilarious, i couldn't complete a single lap without the car massively snapping on me on the exit of corners. And of course with the braking inputs now needing to be more precise, i didn't have a good time going into many of the corners either. I didn't really bother with trying to get to grips with the car either, just win the race, get the credits and move on. So definitely some shared responsibility between me and the new update when it comes to my performance there.
I don't know, up to now, I can only give this update a big thumbs down. I don't drive roadcars, so them getting better doesn't really affect me, but the gt3's performing worse really bugs me, as that is 90% of my racing.
Again, it may be different on a steering wheel as pedals do allow more precise control, but with a controller, it really got a lot harder imo. My avg laptimes on nurnburgring 24h are atm still 4 seconds slower than they used to be, and I do end up kissing the barrier and mowing the lawn a lot more often now. It just got waaay too snappy for me to be able to overcome with the controller. Maybe after enough time i'll get the hang of it, but right now, it's pretty terrible.
On the Logitech G Pro Wheel - it's SO MUCH BETTER ... It simply feels much more natural to steer and to brake, and the connection between wheel and breaking fits the experience i have from driving a real car. Its much more natural to negotiate over- and understeering. And if you hit the grassnow - fast and in a corner ... you're f... . As in real life ;). I have even found it easier to configure the settings and now i get the results i expect.
T150 user here. I feel I have a lot more feeling for the tires and the oversteer is way less snappy. I love this update
What settings are you using for your T150? I mean the in-game level of max torque and sensitivity.
@@mr_kiwind pretty sure 10 and 10, because of how low torque the wheel is, and if I turn down the sensitivity I just start losing the feel for whats happening with the car. I don’t have problems with clipping but will turn down the sensitivity for high downforce cars(grp1) or I start shaking down the straight lol
next week is bathurst as race C and i’ve seen lots of people saying that driving an MR in sector 2 is gonna be a death sentence. I’d like to see more feedback from others as the changes obviously effects wheel users much more than the controller users
I've tried both and it has definitely ruined the game for controller users too, it's much harder on controller now. My wheel also has no FFB after the update lol
Oh fun..I can't imagine taking Eau Rouge on the edge now..
@@nine182can confirm I did both time trial challenges. Eiger with Subaru near impossible for me to get silver yet on the Ferrari time trial I’m half a second clear of the gold time. The “understeer” makes it very difficult to race with a controller.
Yes, Porsche is practically undriveable in Bathurst. Turn 2 and downhill is very hard to do on controller. The rear snaps all the time since you need to trail brake between 20 and 30% which is very hard to do if you only have 10 mm of movement on the controller with zero feedback which you get using a wheel. 1 mm too much input means your rear goes and 1 mm below means you miss the corner. To be that precise you need massive talent or practice. I did around 6h in Gr. 3 and still can’t handle the cars with low A+ DR. Can only imagine how bad it is for average player. Trail braking in some turns is just way too hard on pad like watkins glen right hander uphill. Even if the rear doesn’t go you need to release the brake very very gentle and i am not able to do it consistently. It took the fun out of the game for me for now. Hope either i improve massively or PD adjusts things.
Controller player here. Personally the understeer and kerbs are absolutely disgusting and have frankly ruined the game for me. It feels clunky, slow and unforgiving.
Edit: and altogether not fun.
I just hope they fix the issue of suspension stiffness cars I really enjoy driving like the 911 gt3 rs and the M3 '89 they all keep kitting the fender and now matter what I do in the settings it still happens, I've tried video tunes, nothing, I've tried increasing ride hight, cars look ugly and still nothing, tried stiffening the suspension, nothing, the only thing that worked was lowering the anti-roll numbers down, and it still happened here and there, honestly I feel like this was a good change for dirt and wet conditions but for dry conditions cars feel really under steery. I'm kinda at 50/50 with this update
I completely agree! All of the cars that I painstakingly tuned, now bounce around like a beach ball at high speeds and shake like crazy when cornering. I know there's a happy medium in theee somewhere, but I'm not excited to try and find it again.
However, some cars do feel better and racing feels more comfortable with those cars.
It'll take time for me I guess.
@@imotionsrt4 agreed
The FD3S (i run SS tires @ 600pp) hits the front bumpstops under heavy braking and the rear does this weird thing where itll lift the inner tire and immediately snap oversteer. It physically hops in the air so bad it’s visable in the replay. This happens especially on a downhill corner. Ive tried to tune around it but it’s broken. Before 1.49 and after its the same. Best way is to use stock suspension but it still does it. Feels like it would be a great car if it wasnt bugged. The ‘89 Vette does this but to a smaller degree
@@matos_x_ my Bugatti swapped GTR and Hurrican wobble like crazy at high speeds and my maxed out Gallardo is almost undrivable in certain situations. My GTR and Hurrican were perfect. I'll keep playing with the suspension I guess.
@@WOLFER. I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT (still testing, but cars habdle do much better)! Raise the body height so it's not slammed. Max Anti-Roll Bar, max compression, and max expansion. Changing those settings settled my cars down A LOT and they don't bounce all over and handle better in turns. This is my starting point, and I'll fine tune from there.
But this was promising.
I think the physics are great, I definitely feel a lot more under the car but I have had to revamp my driving style to accommodate
you missed the part where you can ride in the rain on racing softs now around wetness level 2 easily
this update had no quality control
AI is even worse now, they are constantly making mistakes and missing corners, and crashing regularly.
The new WTC 600 race is harder than a lot of the chilies races!
You should be able to..... Just not at pace.....
@@corrodedAgreed, I won that race by only 5 secs driving a very modified R33 GT-R. On medium difficulty.. Had no chance on hard, not sure I can do it, will be a challenge.
@@neilbezuidenhout9284 nope, thats not how it works in the real world
@@michaelkillerman bud, u do you. Please don't talk to me about real world. Been there, done that.....not basing my statement of off what other "real sim racers" have said and now just latching on and repeating. Go do it, then talk. U can get around a wet track on non wets, not competitively.... But u can. The chav who made the comment about getting around the track on slicks is probably 50 sec off the pace of a driver using the right tyre....... Doesn't mean he didn't get around the track.
I saw a video earlier today where people are just driving on dry tyres in the wet weather....it doesn't seem to effect grip that much anymore maybe worth a super GT look 👀
I don't really like how it makes my force feedback feel weaker since my qheel is already weak (on g923, max setting)
I was so confused on what happened, one day I’m killing it and have complete control of my car and the next I’m spinning out crazy and randomly, a lot of adjusting to this new update
It definitely made it more realistic and harder. Can’t just break whenever you want with the weight transfer. I love it.
I doubt anyone wants their car to break.
No. Pre update felt closer to real life track experience
@@sa3075 very good 😆
i've only spent 8-9 hours in GT since the new physics, and very little of that in the wet, but I must say, I'm enjoying the new handling a lot. Not sure if it just happens to suit my driving style, but more importantly, I feel like the FFB has improved a lot. The FFB seems to be much more informative, enabling me to correct out of a mistake more easily b/c I have a greater understanding about how the tyres and suspension are reacting to the track. I did experience the understeer quite a bit too while getting used to the Eiger Nordwand, but it didn't seem overly prevalent on other tracks. Maybe those hairpins just tend to make Eiger a bit more of a front limited track. (the ft tyre wear outpaced the rears noticeably due to the fronts sliding a lot)
I like this new feel, it feels like a more logical approach to driving. Rather than learning how to drive in GT7, its more like if you drive good irl that understanding is transferable to GT7. The braking is where this is really evident
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A lot of people comparing the physics to that of real cars. I have to disagree. They are completely exaggerated. I own an Rx8 and two mx5's. In the interest of the fairest possible test, I have driven both of them in the new update, completely stock.
Both now understeer aggressively at speeds that their real life counterparts would have no issues with, and both oversteer aggressively as soon as you trailbrake.
IRL trailbraking is not that sensitive in the majority of cars. 10-15% braking pressure is all you need to pitch the nose in to the apex, in the game, it now feels like you are locking the rear diff while cranking the steering lock on and holding braking pressure late into the corner, just from a normal amount of trail braking. It's absurd!
The oversteer/understeer characteristics were poor before the update but this is a massive overcorrection. People saying it's more realistic just because it's hyper sensitive now. Newsflash, more sensitivity doesn't always mean it's more realistic.
Gr cars seem to be barely affected but road cars are utterly hopeless now.
the physics suck. every car bumps and jumps around for no reason, has no grip and has no snap. that's not how real cars drive.
I am a rare gt7 player using the tilt function of a PS4 controller to drive and I conducted a little scientific experiment, driving a gr.3 around deep forest.
My findings are that my time after the update was _three seconds_ off my old time. It wasn't the car; I just couldn't drive the thing anymore. Bonkers amounts of understeer and paradoxically a far looser rear end on the power.
Driving the honda F1 thingy demonstrates the steering changes very well.
My personal take is that this update is a net negative really, but only in its implementation. It makes the game a lot less accessible for those not willing/able to fork out the money for a wheel, and I feel like the understeering on the brakes is the key part of this. It feels like there is a huge reduction in mechanical grip specifically.
Far be it from humble, little me to tell a very fine driver, such as yourself, Mr Steve, but I think your ABS level might be about +5% too much... Shrink that red rectangle when braking straight?
You'll be overheating your front tyres a smidge, which won't help with understeer?
Your brake trace looks to drop from 100% straight to 90% when you start trailbraking
Just a thought 👍
ABS works weirdly in this game. You can brake at 50% and there's still a red rectangle. The way the fastest people drove is by slamming the brakes to 100% until the turning starts. I never could do that kind of driving so I'm glad they changed it
Coming from F1 to GT7 used to be so easy using the same techniques, now like you said immediate under-steer, no trail braking so hard to get it rotated, like said, you cant be at the limit, you really got to choose between braking and steering. As you mentioned best way to round is to under drive the car =/ just came here to confirm. Great Video!
They changed the circuit experience prize at road Atlanta for 2 mil to 1 mil...
It was never 2 million.
UPDATE your fanatec firmware guys! My DD Pro wheelbase had less torque and was too sensative after the update. But it also seemed to be purveying the wrong detail at the wrong time which was making my lap time worse. The firmware seems to go hand in hand with this GT7 update. I still dialled down the sensativity a little but it was much more fun to drive after the firmware update.
This 1.49 update was so hyped, I think it was not the right time to introduce a physic change. Physics was fine as it was, VR Hud needs an update, Cars need updating, Tickets need an update, Sophy needs an update(and lose those arcade emojis!). I think the competition is about to get heated within sim racing titles and Polyphony need to listen to their audience.
What is the current Fanatec update?
Gr.2 grip is insane you can go under 2min30sec at Suzuka on slicks with torrential rain (I have a video that proves it)
I feel like that update was made with the top players in mind. Being at the top meant they had to understand how to abuse the physics and it would lead to some completely crazy driving styles you could witness simply by watching the replays from the weekly time trial's top scorers. People were often four wheel sliding through corners at blistering speed which always looked very insane, unrealistic and straight up broken. I feel like the update was made to adress that issue specifically (among other things). However, those driving styles also required pretty much a mastery of the physics model to be exploited properly, which most people didn't have anyway. I play casually on a controller and I felt like the physics were nearly as perfect as it gets for someone like me, allowing me to express myself pretty easily without absolute mastery of the system. It was obviously a little too forgiving, catching up oversteer especially felt pretty generous, but perfect for my limited skill set and hardware. Now I feel like all this was sacrificed in order to give us something more "realistic" that can't be as easily exploited (however will inevitably end up being because some people are always trying to push things to the limit especially in a competitive setting) which is good for fair competition at the top but pretty jarring for the rest of us. I would get why GT7 would go that route as it is trying to prove its relevance as a legitimate driving "simulator" which present itself as a bridge between virtual and real life racing, but I can't say that I'm personnaly finding the change too enjoyable so far to say the least... Now everything that isn't a road car feel difficult to rotate, all tyres feel a lot more grippy overall and so it is way harder to catch oversteer (I'm really struggling to drift now, which is sad because it's something I really enjoy doing on my controller) and the road cars's suspensions are now all pretty wobbly, which is very strange and maybe unexpected perhaps - it basically feels like all the values were lowered, especially the anti-roll bars and the frequency; if you crank those up, it seems to get more manageable though you still have to deal with the increased tyre grip. This can be easier to manage on a wheel but requires an immense level of finess and dexterity on a controller inherently not designed for such subtle levels of input. I feel like most people being fairly casual players explains why the changes have been received somewhat poorly so far, or at least with, let's say, "mixed enthusiasm".
The braking distances are longer because you can't stamp on the brakes any more, you need to adjust braking force not allowing ABS to kick in to much. I love it. Check the braking force bar and adjust to it. After you learn, it feels great and the car want to turn as well. Change in ABS behavior was mentioned in patch notes.
How do you those changes?
@@naico144 don't brake at full pressure heading into a corner: give it around 85ish percent brake pressure and bleed it off as your speed decreases (to stop the ABS from interfering), more so once you begin to turn the car. You can hold about 5-10% brake pressure as you move into the corner to eek out some extra rotation (trail braking). It works quite well.
@@theminec ohhh I see, thanks. I always had this doubt about the game, but is it faster with or without ABS now? Before I think it was faster with ABS on right?
@@naico144 it used be faster with abs, correct. Now, I think most people are going to be using ABS weak, and no ABS will be viable. Idk which will be faster though.
Well that proves that my wheel is the issue. I'm driving on 10/10 ffb all the time and it was quite nice before the upgrade but now I just feel nothing at all quite often. 😂
Can't adjust anything on my wheel though.
This update took my mc 20 build from 870pp to 780 it’s tragic
My cars are the opposite. Road cars limited to 600pp, sport tires. Now theyre 608-615pp. To adjust i cut power, depending on the car theyre all down 30-60hp. This plus rolling resistance is higher and theres no more top end. Sadge 😢
@@matos_x_It's so hilariously bi-polar in some cases, for the RS5 DTM car I had to lop 20 horsepower off, add a full hundred points of downforce to the rear, switch to hard tires, and finally (this is the big one) add 93 extra kg of ballast to get it back down to 800pp. Compare that to the CLK GTR, which I added 15 horsepower to, switched to softs, pulled all of the ballast out of, and took 30 points of downforce off the rear. In both cases the car has zero turn-in, worse top speed, and at least for the CLK, a significantly snappier rear end on throttle.
@@griffinfaulkner3514 did you actually just complain about getting more oversteer after adding power and reducing rear downforce? 🤦♂
@@jsleeio Pre-patch, in full performance spec, I ran even _less_ rear downforce than the current setup, and it was still dead stable off of corners unless I did something really stupid to upset it. Also note that the 'less rear downforce' bit is literally 5 points (I dramatically overestimated what the difference was and had to double-check) , and the increased power should've been offset by the switch to softs instead of mediums.
Literally every aspect of its performance got worse.
@@griffinfaulkner3514 You may need to adjust LSD settings
Just touch the brakes in a straight line & some cars turn left or right without any form of feedback this is RUBBISH
Players with steering wheels: 🗿
Players with controllers: 😡
This update isn’t even good for the G29, i went from winning all my races to now loosing and my car spinning out just by been off the grass a tiny tiny bit and for some reason ai and players have been crashing more often than usual after the update.
I don't understand why they felt the need to change the physics this late in the game - all they stand to do is alienate people that play casually and don't have time to relearn how to drive. 🤔
But that fixed camera is still so jarring...
My kingdom for a proper bonnet cam.
i love fixed chase cam it helps me have better focus for taking corners
@@Thorfinn0607 Same, other games kinda make it so that bonnet/bumper/cockpit view is always superior because of that extra field of view.
What kind of insane person uses third person view in a simulation/semi-simulation racer? It complately destroys the point.
Is this a common complaint? What games don't have fixed cameras without using some sort of eye tracker?
The latest update (and subsequent patch) has made me put the game back on my shelf and never play it ever again.
On controller...the car literally has no front end especially FF cars
An FF car with literally no front end is literally impossible.
@@c0ldc0ne the front just fell off
@@vsm1456 like red bull in china 2012 or so?
I know im a nerd but why am i the only guy who knows what 'literally' means? 😆
@@lorddoobsworth144 its more like an exaggeration joke
Really odd bug i found on the new track.
Pitting during a race will mean you clear a sector in the pitlane. This will cause your optimal laptime to be unobtainable for the race based on your best sector times.
I feel like i'm watching an assetto corsa lobby
The Dodge Viper in real life has massively fat front tires and heavier negative camber which increase understeer. So do GT3 cars, most are 2.5-3 degrees negative plus they have super stiff suspension making weight transfer less perceptible. New physics suggests previous set up may need to be tweaked. The 97 M3 is super predictable around Eiger and rear-end stepping out and easily corrected, just like the car is IRL. And I don't have a sim rig, just the PS4 controller.
I know this is supposed to be a Sim but they also know this game is supposed to be fun right? This update just seems to make driving even harder and worse.
it feels like it'll take a few updates to make this game good on the controller which is a shame, otherwise it seems like a good step in a right direction
Love the track, hate the physics mostly, mixed bag over all.
Some cars became uncontrolable under brakes compared to before, spinning out on straights without steering input.
PP ratings changed requring re-tuning to keep them in their PP ranges, costing up to 5 seconds in lap times.
On the plus side, rally/dirt handling improved significantly and is actually fun now.
Wheel/FFB settings are apparently glitched for some wheels, but can't confirm for the lack of a wheel.
As a casual controller user, the update has killed the game for me. I loved just being able to pick up a controller, jump into a competitive race and still be competitive whilst still having a decent experience.
Im not wanting to spend £200+ just to be able to play a game. Of course it's marketed as a "driving simulator" but it's a massive shame for me that it feels like they've completely lost the spirit of gran turismo and what made me fall in love with the game. I hope they do something to make controller playability a better experience as i can't see myself playing the game again which is gutting.
Finally a proper update lol. Some pretty funny glitches tho.
Is it a proper update?
I don't know if they fixed the dumb AI and their tyre choice.
Reading the patch notes, it seems like they haven't.
@@ALIEN_SEAGULL Well, it’s the most “proper” update in a while. As in, the most new content, cars etc.
These constant changes to physics to further hamper and reduce pace for people who are actually good at the game is ridiculous. They always want to slow down the fast people for the sake of saving the bums.
@@angelmunoz8488It seems to me that they are trying to make the game more realistic. Closer to other simulators
@@nicolasoliveira4903 they completely ruined the FFB for a lot of wheels
I'm on the side of loving the new physics, it fits my driving style way better and it has completely brought me back to the game! You're killing it SUPER GT!! Keep it up!!!
It’s those Michelin tyres 😂
As someone who doesn't play and only watches, this seems like an amazing update. The dry seems to just be adjusting yourself to this being the new normal, and some tweaking will, of course, be done still. Wet seems incredible. Dirt, too, although that's hard to notice at times with the fixed camera, makes everything look less smooth/good. I love the idea of people with different lines and strategies that work with different cars battling in the wet. Looking forward to that, I'd love to see more variation like the Mitsubishi recently. It's so nice to see different cars in action. Cheers
I have no experience track racing in real life but i have some experience in offroad racing and I always thought there was too much going on with the wheel but now I have to say I like how the car lands and settles on the dirt now but the gliding feels like you are on a frozen lake covered in powder snow and I'm not really feeling the bumps and camber of the track, feels a bit dull. It's kind of like feeling up your partner with oven mitts on if that makes sense. So somewhere in between would be the sweet spot for me realism wise. Kudos on the Jordan livery btw.
You say "it's hard to steer" with a nice set, imagine steering with the joystick, it's a nightmare.... i go slow and have a sharp turn, i let go of the gas and add no brake since i was already slow, but the car goes straight, it doesn't even flinch... and i myself have driven sporty cars like RX-8, i gotta say that reality is much different from the game, in reality even if you go fast, the car turns any way you want...
agreed that dirt physics feel better
Jumps feel miles better, and direction changes are much faster. I disagree with Steve on the GT dirt physics previously, it was ass.
First time I've enjoyed GT dirt really.
Yep now it feels like your in more control of the car. @corroded
I also noticed that the over down force has been significantly reduced.
The Peugeot HDI FAP LMP car used to have a max down force of 2000 on the rear.
Now it's max is 1600.
Another thing is the tyres give you more PP.
My 600 car has sport hards, it was 599.67, after the update, it's 608.78. So i had to significantly reduce my horsepower to comply with 600 PP.
Bad update, who tested this? Wtf they butchered Eiger too. Shame.
Is it just me or does someone else think they broke the whole game with this physics update? Somehow a lot of cars behave very weird. The suspention does some ridiculous stuff like hammering up and down on some cars like the mazda 3. And a lot of cars tend to understeer way too quick. Also a lot of cars have now completely different lp levels than they had before. Some cars even just have an attention sign instead of the lp points and you cant use your settings anymore that worked perfectly fine.
I expect they'll roll the physics back partially in the next update.
Everytime they do this I quit playing for several months until I find the desire to deal with retuning all my favorite custom builds.
First time it was 6 months. Second time was 7 months.
Edit. Call me crazy. The night if the update I played the game immediately after the update. The car I was racing just before the update added 3- 6 seconds onto every race. Ran them all twice with same results across the board. Went to bed pissed.
Today. I play again. Same car. Same races. All races shaved 3-5 seconds off the times I set the morning(4am) of the update.
Did they change something to fix the glitches from the update or am I experiencing something else?
Car did feel more planted with less snap oversteer despite still being floaty and bouncy from the update. Weird.
Oh and BTW use the new free PP points to lighten your car if possible. Grip is where you lost the points gained from the update.
This update is god awful for any controller players it broke the fully customizable suspension for a ton of cars
The FFB feels terribly numb now, especially on lower grip tires.
Sport tires are near impossible to drive round slow speed corners!! Can’t slide too
I will be furious if they don't fix this. There is zero feeling whatsoever, just a vague rubberbandy push back when you turn really hard
@@nuckels188 yeah I’m not sure why more people don’t highlight this!!
Yes, I find I’m actually more confident and faster through corners now, on the BAC mono challenge my lap times went from 2:01 down to 1:59. But the feel in the wheel is even more numb than it used to be, terrible…
@@nuckels188this finally found someone with this issue 🙃 its so unrealistic making the game unenjoyable!!
This game is now completely unplayable for me......
The new physics have completely screwed it up.
I hated it yesterday but after getting used to it, I definitely think it's more realistic... it actually feels dangerous to go fast
Well this explains why my Audi just didnt turn at all at the Nordwand Weekly Event.
I had a break from GT7 - for about 3 months... when I came back, one of my favorite driving machines (Alfa Romeo 4C Gr.3) is just bloody awful now. And I'm on a controller.
@SuperGT, I noticed a massive tyre wear issue from using a g29 wheel. I changed the force feedback settings to the absolute minimum and lowered my steering and pedal sensitivity and now I have a 20% tyre wear improvement. I'm doing the exact same lap, time, line and did a comparison on suzuka with 5 laps, 5x tyre, 5x fuel in a vantage gr3. I can't comprehend what is causing the massive difference but there's alot going on here. This update probably means everyone will have a different experience and clinical testing needs to be done to get to the bottom of this mess! I have a feeling something is wrong with the tyre model which clouds the improvements of the more realistic handling physics.
I drove the new model last night and it's a FABULOUS upgrade. I was soooo hooked by the new physics, they feel completely natural to me and much more refined. Soooo immersion. And if you notice, there are visual upgrades in lighting! When the sun hits cars it's practically blinding now and sun REALLY comes into the cockpit. I think it's a hint at Ps5 Pro raytracing. GT8 is going to be INSANE
I don't quite like the new phyisics. Lot of my cars have changed pp ratings or just an exclaimation mark, so annoying. And it took me way too long to change all of them
Feels like I have to fight the car’s steering the entire time, not a fan
feels more realistic after this update i hope they keep it like that best update since Realease
@@Christaz9 I’m sure given time I’ll get used to it, just a bit jarring having to approach corners so differently . Hopefully it’ll grow on me 🤷♂️
@@alextanner115 I was skeptic the first hour but after playing for a bit its growing and growing. The braking is more presiced now if you brake correctly you are like glued on the corners. Its way easyer to manipulate the car like how it is in real life.
All sim racing they never change physics. I like thier challenge mind.
I don't think the new physics are better. No need to have been changed.
I feel like the new physics update messed up some of the missions, specifically the one with the slr McLaren. I could be bad (very likely) however I’ve looked at guides for how to complete with gold and even when getting the same racing lines and settings I come nowhere near passing either where the guide is nor passing the final car. My best attempt I was still a car and a half behind 1st. I have had no other issues with missions thus far and hope it is just a skill issue as this would suck for newer players or completionists if it is impossible with the new physics
Physics are great in the group cars but awful in the road cars
agree
Are you on a wheel or controller? Because on a controller, the grouped cars feel like trying to turn an aircraft carrier with a paddle. Absolutely zero turn-in, and no vibration feedback mid-corner. Road cars at least have _some_ turn-in, but have awful midcorner stability unless you're extremely careful with your trail braking, to the point that I'd say a fair few modified road cars are undriveable for most controller players.
@@griffinfaulkner3514G29 wheel, road cars feel non existent on comfort tiers so I had to compensate with sports tires and the car just spins out with little input
Massive improvement for me on my G29. Feels similar to all the hours I put in to Assetto Corsa original on PC years ago. GT games have never 'felt' as good to drive compared to the cars on original AC and this update is hugely similar to my feel. I know it's not necessarily the most realistic as iracing, ACC, rfactor 2 etc but for road cars at least, it's a huge step in the right direction. I've used AC twice to prepare for track days in an MX5 and it was hugely useful for not only understanding a track, but for controlling the car on the limit for oversteer, understeer, braking technique and throttle control. GT now feels a lot closer to doing this more effectively than ever. I do understand that to a huge chunk of the player base this could be frustrating. It's a step towards more full fat SIM characteristics for car control than ever before.
A setup that no one would ever do for a race.
The problem is that they have to make sure whatever parameter or combination thereof is causing the issue isn't causing other imperceptible issues
The behaviour at 5:45 is correct and much more indicative of what would happen in real life
I hate the new physics
Physics suck azz. Forget the flying cars, regular cars sliding all over the place. That's not how real cars behave. And I'll never forgive them for nerfing the 787B.