Music press was also critical those days. I got to hear about Nirvana through these Magazines and bought Nevermind as a recommendation on the 1st day it was released before I had even heard bleach. The same with the MTV unplugged I got that on release and Incesticide also. These Vinyl records are mint and quite valuable.
Man you described this so well. I was that suburban kid, like many who grew my hair long, got a cheap guitar and sat hunched over a tape recorder playing Nirvana songs over and over again learning the chords ( and trying discern what the hell he was signing) and thinking maybe I could do this too.... but I never really believed I could be anything more than a poser or cheap imitation sadly.
I wasn't a huge Nirvana fan, and yet I found myself transfixed by Cobain as he and the band performed on "MTV's Unplugged". His talent, for me, was then undeniable.
It's refreshing to see the music with good themes and messages be criticised for the lack of musical quality rather than the messages. I agree with it. I'm 17, I dream of changing everything just like every other teen does. This video is a good reference for me, who didn't live through the times and can only count on older people to tell me how they were. It's motivating to hear people talk about how the modern landscape is seemingly unable to be rocked quite the same as it used to be thanks to the internet. It makes my contrarian ass wanna try LOL good video :) Very useful!
People back in the late 80s probably had the same sentiments and never thought it would be better until someone finally did, so as long as we young people try to get stuff out there, there’s hope
Although they take little technical skill to play, Nirvana's songs are more musically more complex than are given credit, even if the melody is catchy. Anyone who knows anything about Western music theory and has tried to work out Nirvana's chord patterns will find that he uses unorthodox chord progressions that aren't intuitive to most songwriters; this especially goes for Lithium, which this video claims that anyone could come up with on their own, which I disagree.
Ah, yes. Grunge. Where music went from "We're having fun, partying, getting the girls, and it can happen to you too!" to "The world sucks, music sucks, everything sucks, and I suck too...."
@@gsly6081 Yes, I'll give it that. Even grunge is leagues better than the mass-produced modern pop music that is all written by the same two or three songwriters.
@@andrewszigeti2174 True. And also the cool thing about Nirvana is that it was Kurt Cobain's songs mostly. Nowadays there are tons of popular artists that only play the character while there's a team of songwriters behind their songs.
@@andrewszigeti2174 It's not that it doesn't happen anymore. But the problem is the mainstream acts that are mostly controlled by the industry. The artists reach thousands of people but they are just characters most of the time. Not true musicians that speak their mind and their struggles through their sound or lyrics. So aside from the music being plastic, it also doesn't connect the same way as other artists that put the effort in their songs. Maybe most people don't care but i think sometimes they should.
Honestly had an opinion about the differences between 1980's and 1990's music. I think I distilled it down to the term "hangover." As in other words, the opulence from the 1980's resulted in such a burnout in the 1990's that the culture shifted to the more "grungy" type of run down vibe. It also permeated in hip hop as well (with the whole "gangsta" rap scene, which was really hip hop's version of burnout/hangover from the 1980's loud/booming style).
I can't believe I'm one of the first 500 people to see this. I thought it was a much more established music documentary channel until I noticed the views. Nice work, you made some great points in your analysis.
that weird political rant at the end was odd. nirvana DID discuss political themes, taking a progressive stance in interviews, performances and in lyrics, such as in been a son or rape me for example and by no means was nirvanas popularity purely a product of how good their music sounds, just like in the punk scene, grunge was marked by that teenage rebelion spirit, and kurt himself was also very idolized by people
As much as I love Nirvana, I have to give most of the credit for changing music in this era to the Pixies. They really created the sound for 90's, Cobain even said their biggest influence was the Pixies. What Nirvana really did, and there biggest impact on music, was bring this sound to the mainstream. They brought alt music and it's sound to the forefront of music, and it really just changed everything.
Wish I could’ve bought a theme paper from you in college. My english prof would’ve given me an A then turned me in to the ethics committee for plagiarizing.
Your consummate command of the English lexicon nearly evokes within me a semblance of esteem for the melodic oeuvres of Nirvana... nearly, I dare say. Sincerely, A Priggish Smiths Fan
This is the real history of teen spirit. Kurt Cobain said he treated the guitar like a drum. He would focus on rhythm and the melody would come afterwards. He actually wrote teen spirit in 1988 after they recorded bleach, but it was just a riff and a chorus, there was no verse. The song was inspired by a jamming session he had with dale crover and buzz osborne in 1988. Kurt played the chords to a beat Dale crover was spontaneously playing on the drums. Kurt had brought a left handed guitar and took it to buzz osborne to test it and hear what it sounded like. Kurt recalled that when he jammed that day with dale and buzz he came up with the riff against Dale's beat and filed it away. He described the teen spirit chords as the raunchy riff. He said it was easy to create riffs when he played with dale crover because dale was the greatest drummer ever. The riff style is totally buzz osborne. Buzz was a major influence on kurt's guitar playing and its development. listen to the melvins!!. The two notes in the verse were based on a french police siren kurt heard whilst on tour in europe with the band TAD in 1989. Nirvana were on tour in Europe and they played one gig in Issy-les-Moulineaux, France on the evening of December 1st 1989 at the Espace Icare. The show featured Nirvana, Bloody and Heavy and Tad. During the morning and afternoon before the show, kurt was walking through the streets of Issy-les-Moulineaux and he heard a french police siren which was just two tones. Kurt described the siren as two notes. The two notes in the verse are the french police siren as he heard it and remembered it. Kurt said that he thought that the siren was musical in someway and used it in teenspirit by recreating it on the guitar. Kurt Cobain was big into soundscapes and sound collages (watch montage of heck). He played the french police siren in teen spirit on the guitar because he was against sampling. He always said he wanted to keep his music "pure" Listen to the police siren here. ruclips.net/video/oLDKy1JmcCE/видео.htmlsi=mPtv1JySDqJ4UujP The genius of Cobain was that writing music was never a science, nor an analysis or a study. It was always a natural spontaneous act. Like a child, he would imitate and experiment with what he saw or heard. That is always missed in technical studies of his music. He always found it hard to believe that his lyrics and style of guitar playing were being taken seriously. He would laugh it off. He always said that his music came to him in a matter of seconds or minutes..you had to be quick or you would lose it. The real geniuses of teen spirit are Kurt Cobain, Butch Vig and the legendary Andy Wallace.
I don’t want to take anything away from Nirvana but I would say they, more specifically, saved rock/pop music. Because in its own little corner, rap, electro, house music, and tons of other genres were doing awesome things. But as for radio, yeah, things changed dramatically after Nevermind.
2 minutes in and I'm already laughing/scoffing at the overstated, over-analysed narrative. Nirvana did not spring up out of nowhere. They were a product of an extremely rich underground music scene and counter culture that was bubbling under the surface since the late 70's/early 80's. The criticisms of the 80's 'materialism' or what ever it was referred to here is laughable considering that consumerism and materialism has only grown exponentially and astronomically since then.....to the point where today it's all encompassing, all we are left with. Music today is just another product, another generic throw away accessory. Completely devoid of any human element. It's clear that people who try to criticize the 80's didn't live it. In the 80's and 90's people still had a soul, they weren't just consumerist, conformist robots that the last 20 years has produced. To put it simply...People were different back then, everything was different. technology, the internet and cell phones weren't around to steal all of the soul out of life and make people antisocial and impersonal and robotic. I can't stress enough how much technology as well as the many forms of social engineering/brainwashing by the establishment and academia has changed people for the worst since those days. Counter culture and underground music scenes have been almost completely eradicated. It was too powerful of a youth movement for the establishment to allow it to continue. I truly believe that. I just thank the universe that I grew up in that era because I would hate to be a young person in this world today.
I agree however although not a fan of ether, I do like how Taylor Swift and Ed Sheeran are undeniably great songwriters and performers and are mostly gimmick free.
So many objective factual errors. As if Freak Scene, Gigantic and Big Black's The Model weren't indie staples for years before Nirvana. As if The Clash were ever particularly good. Musicological fantasy. 🤡
They were almost as overrated as the Beatles. I think relative lack of keyboards and the complete lack of British accents are what kept them from being THAT overrated.
I guess that's your opinion then 🤦🏻♂️ objective fact is The Beatles and Nirvana sold a shit tonne of records, were very popular in their heyday and have remained culturally relevant and revered into the modern time. You don't need to like it yourself to take a look around and realise both bands are rated by millions of adoring fans for decades. So check yoself fools. Nobody fuckin cares about your opinion and I don't care if you care about mine.
Oh look! I found someone who thinks being contrarian makes them unique! Look, I can do it too! You know what I hate, guys? Fun. Fun sucks. And sleep. I hate how all these poseurs go to sleep every night. Conformist losers. You know what I noticed? All these squares with teeth! Fuck that shit, I’m gonna pull my teeth out because I am unique. I’m not saying you’re both being dishonest, I’m just saying this reeks of the kind of contrived nonsense that most of us grew out of as 14 year olds.
Music press was also critical those days. I got to hear about Nirvana through these Magazines and bought Nevermind as a recommendation on the 1st day it was released before I had even heard bleach. The same with the MTV unplugged I got that on release and Incesticide also. These Vinyl records are mint and quite valuable.
Man you described this so well. I was that suburban kid, like many who grew my hair long, got a cheap guitar and sat hunched over a tape recorder playing Nirvana songs over and over again learning the chords ( and trying discern what the hell he was signing) and thinking maybe I could do this too.... but I never really believed I could be anything more than a poser or cheap imitation sadly.
Its important to remember that despite Cobains inner turmoil, he had a very very good sense of humor.
I wasn't a huge Nirvana fan, and yet I found myself transfixed by Cobain as he and the band performed on "MTV's Unplugged". His talent, for me, was then undeniable.
It's refreshing to see the music with good themes and messages be criticised for the lack of musical quality rather than the messages. I agree with it. I'm 17, I dream of changing everything just like every other teen does. This video is a good reference for me, who didn't live through the times and can only count on older people to tell me how they were. It's motivating to hear people talk about how the modern landscape is seemingly unable to be rocked quite the same as it used to be thanks to the internet. It makes my contrarian ass wanna try LOL good video :) Very useful!
People back in the late 80s probably had the same sentiments and never thought it would be better until someone finally did, so as long as we young people try to get stuff out there, there’s hope
Although they take little technical skill to play, Nirvana's songs are more musically more complex than are given credit, even if the melody is catchy. Anyone who knows anything about Western music theory and has tried to work out Nirvana's chord patterns will find that he uses unorthodox chord progressions that aren't intuitive to most songwriters; this especially goes for Lithium, which this video claims that anyone could come up with on their own, which I disagree.
Ah, yes. Grunge. Where music went from "We're having fun, partying, getting the girls, and it can happen to you too!" to "The world sucks, music sucks, everything sucks, and I suck too...."
Way better than egotistical plastic music.
@@gsly6081 Yes, I'll give it that. Even grunge is leagues better than the mass-produced modern pop music that is all written by the same two or three songwriters.
@@andrewszigeti2174 True. And also the cool thing about Nirvana is that it was Kurt Cobain's songs mostly. Nowadays there are tons of popular artists that only play the character while there's a team of songwriters behind their songs.
@@gsly6081 Yep, back in the good old days, where bands largely wrote their own music.
Yeesh, I feel old all the sudden.
@@andrewszigeti2174 It's not that it doesn't happen anymore. But the problem is the mainstream acts that are mostly controlled by the industry. The artists reach thousands of people but they are just characters most of the time. Not true musicians that speak their mind and their struggles through their sound or lyrics. So aside from the music being plastic, it also doesn't connect the same way as other artists that put the effort in their songs. Maybe most people don't care but i think sometimes they should.
What a rare find, I love your documentaries
Honestly had an opinion about the differences between 1980's and 1990's music. I think I distilled it down to the term "hangover."
As in other words, the opulence from the 1980's resulted in such a burnout in the 1990's that the culture shifted to the more "grungy" type of run down vibe. It also permeated in hip hop as well (with the whole "gangsta" rap scene, which was really hip hop's version of burnout/hangover from the 1980's loud/booming style).
SO TIRED!!!
STILL RECOVERING from "Let's Get Physical"!! 😂😂
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How Nirvana's Nevermind changed popular music is the correct title I say that respectfully ✊
I can't believe I'm one of the first 500 people to see this. I thought it was a much more established music documentary channel until I noticed the views. Nice work, you made some great points in your analysis.
that weird political rant at the end was odd. nirvana DID discuss political themes, taking a progressive stance in interviews, performances and in lyrics, such as in been a son or rape me for example
and by no means was nirvanas popularity purely a product of how good their music sounds, just like in the punk scene, grunge was marked by that teenage rebelion spirit, and kurt himself was also very idolized by people
He's right though on how it's affected youth culture.
As much as I love Nirvana, I have to give most of the credit for changing music in this era to the Pixies. They really created the sound for 90's, Cobain even said their biggest influence was the Pixies. What Nirvana really did, and there biggest impact on music, was bring this sound to the mainstream. They brought alt music and it's sound to the forefront of music, and it really just changed everything.
Except Kurt and the band were political lmao
Wish I could’ve bought a theme paper from you in college. My english prof would’ve given me an A then turned me in to the ethics committee for plagiarizing.
The music was the message . . . well said.
Your consummate command of the English lexicon nearly evokes within me a semblance of esteem for the melodic oeuvres of Nirvana... nearly, I dare say. Sincerely, A Priggish Smiths Fan
Cool video and ideology. Respect to your content here✊
[00:14] Rick Beato, you listening?
This is the real history of teen spirit. Kurt Cobain said he treated the guitar like a drum. He would focus on rhythm and the melody would come afterwards. He actually wrote teen spirit in 1988 after they recorded bleach, but it was just a riff and a chorus, there was no verse. The song was inspired by a jamming session he had with dale crover and buzz osborne in 1988. Kurt played the chords to a beat Dale crover was spontaneously playing on the drums. Kurt had brought a left handed guitar and took it to buzz osborne to test it and hear what it sounded like. Kurt recalled that when he jammed that day with dale and buzz he came up with the riff against Dale's beat and filed it away. He described the teen spirit chords as the raunchy riff. He said it was easy to create riffs when he played with dale crover because dale was the greatest drummer ever. The riff style is totally buzz osborne. Buzz was a major influence on kurt's guitar playing and its development. listen to the melvins!!.
The two notes in the verse were based on a french police siren kurt heard whilst on tour in europe with the band TAD in 1989. Nirvana were on tour in Europe and they played one gig in Issy-les-Moulineaux, France on the evening of December 1st 1989 at the Espace Icare. The show featured Nirvana, Bloody and Heavy and Tad. During the morning and afternoon before the show, kurt was walking through the streets of Issy-les-Moulineaux and he heard a french police siren which was just two tones. Kurt described the siren as two notes. The two notes in the verse are the french police siren as he heard it and remembered it. Kurt said that he thought that the siren was musical in someway and used it in teenspirit by recreating it on the guitar. Kurt Cobain was big into soundscapes and sound collages (watch montage of heck). He played the french police siren in teen spirit on the guitar because he was against sampling. He always said he wanted to keep his music "pure"
Listen to the police siren here.
ruclips.net/video/oLDKy1JmcCE/видео.htmlsi=mPtv1JySDqJ4UujP
The genius of Cobain was that writing music was never a science, nor an analysis or a study. It was always a natural spontaneous act. Like a child, he would imitate and experiment with what he saw or heard. That is always missed in technical studies of his music. He always found it hard to believe that his lyrics and style of guitar playing were being taken seriously. He would laugh it off. He always said that his music came to him in a matter of seconds or minutes..you had to be quick or you would lose it.
The real geniuses of teen spirit are Kurt Cobain, Butch Vig and the legendary Andy Wallace.
Catchy melodies with distortion will always be popular
Hmm maybe but to complete the package you need powerful vocals.
that summary at the end of this video was ridiculous.
Nirvana was almost categorically political in their very existence.
I don’t want to take anything away from Nirvana but I would say they, more specifically, saved rock/pop music. Because in its own little corner, rap, electro, house music, and tons of other genres were doing awesome things.
But as for radio, yeah, things changed dramatically after Nevermind.
I think music in the eighties was very camp and upbeat, people got bored with it and Nirvana was really original.
2 minutes in and I'm already laughing/scoffing at the overstated, over-analysed narrative. Nirvana did not spring up out of nowhere. They were a product of an extremely rich underground music scene and counter culture that was bubbling under the surface since the late 70's/early 80's. The criticisms of the 80's 'materialism' or what ever it was referred to here is laughable considering that consumerism and materialism has only grown exponentially and astronomically since then.....to the point where today it's all encompassing, all we are left with. Music today is just another product, another generic throw away accessory. Completely devoid of any human element. It's clear that people who try to criticize the 80's didn't live it. In the 80's and 90's people still had a soul, they weren't just consumerist, conformist robots that the last 20 years has produced. To put it simply...People were different back then, everything was different. technology, the internet and cell phones weren't around to steal all of the soul out of life and make people antisocial and impersonal and robotic. I can't stress enough how much technology as well as the many forms of social engineering/brainwashing by the establishment and academia has changed people for the worst since those days. Counter culture and underground music scenes have been almost completely eradicated. It was too powerful of a youth movement for the establishment to allow it to continue. I truly believe that. I just thank the universe that I grew up in that era because I would hate to be a young person in this world today.
Well actually he speaks about these points later in the video
Your seems like a pretty grungy attitude! I agree with most of what you said.
Mainstream has absorbed counterculture.
The counter culture is unironically right wing now
The counter-culture is unironically the r*ght-wing now
I’ve never seen someone less built for fame than Kurt.
Good work, add some music as examples. It’s a little boring.
I agree however although not a fan of ether, I do like how Taylor Swift and Ed Sheeran are undeniably great songwriters and performers and are mostly gimmick free.
So many objective factual errors. As if Freak Scene, Gigantic and Big Black's The Model weren't indie staples for years before Nirvana. As if The Clash were ever particularly good. Musicological fantasy. 🤡
They were almost as overrated as the Beatles. I think relative lack of keyboards and the complete lack of British accents are what kept them from being THAT overrated.
I couldn't agree more. People think I'm trolling when i say that the beatles and nirvana are 2 of the 5 most overrated bands ever.
I guess that's your opinion then 🤦🏻♂️ objective fact is The Beatles and Nirvana sold a shit tonne of records, were very popular in their heyday and have remained culturally relevant and revered into the modern time. You don't need to like it yourself to take a look around and realise both bands are rated by millions of adoring fans for decades. So check yoself fools. Nobody fuckin cares about your opinion and I don't care if you care about mine.
Oh look! I found someone who thinks being contrarian makes them unique!
Look, I can do it too!
You know what I hate, guys?
Fun. Fun sucks.
And sleep.
I hate how all these poseurs go to sleep every night. Conformist losers.
You know what I noticed?
All these squares with teeth!
Fuck that shit, I’m gonna pull my teeth out because I am unique.
I’m not saying you’re both being dishonest, I’m just saying this reeks of the kind of contrived nonsense that most of us grew out of as 14 year olds.
I found the cool table.
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Nirvana couldn't be more "pop music"
jajaja clowns...Tool changed music
Wrong.