Of course it was not your comment (about "two-footed" landing), and I didn't make that up. 'ILoveFigures' wrote that, and I was responding to her. There is a 'in reply to ILoveFigures' note under my comment. Except you, I have read no one who said that Akiko should have been downgraded for all her triples. And it's possible to get just base value for an element, it's not always +, or -.
I just reread and actually realized what you wrote. What two-footed landing? Where do you see any two-footed landing? It was marked as an underrotation, not as a two-footed landing. You should watch more carefully, and also look at protocols more carefully. As for the the edge calls, the negative GOEs were quite small - only three -1 (and even two +1) for the first one, and one -2 (the rest ranging from -1 to +1) for the second one. So, those were not considered to be major problems/mistakes.
Exactly, the points added together, thank you! At 27, a retiring age for most elite skater, when they start to score less and less) Akiko still got her best score ever + more points = NEW personal best. But I guess judges could have done more. After they scored Mao, and realized Mao got .05 more in total points, they should have re-scored Mao to give her less points. Or simply add .051 to Akiko score sheet, or subtract a few points from Asada score sheet.
You also have to remember that out off the 7 triples Akiko did here, only 4 of them were clean. 2 edge calls (and rightfully so) and a two-footed landing are considered major mistakes. Just for the fun of it, try to look away from the jumps in the performances of the top 3 ladies. I also would like to remind that Mao, eventhough some of her jumps weren't there, she never gave up on the performance, which was properly reflected in her PCS.
Judges rewarded Akiko with a personal best!!!! at 27, this is her best score ever!!!!!!. What else do you want??? What judges can not do is also give Akiko the points she missed in short, to make sure she win the competition. Are there are rules stating that the ****Winner of the long program should get: LP points + SP points + (points missed in the short) + (in case those are not enough + more points in order to win)?
Girl...thats not my comment. I said nothing about two-footed landing. Are you making things up now? and no... "people" didn't say that, they said Akiko should have been downgraded for all of her triples..lol. In the new system, you are rewarded for what you performed. Skating 101...If you did an element, triple/double/spin you get a base value + GOE. Unless you underrotated, fell, wrong edged..etc then -GOE. If you pop completely or skip an element you get no points and no GOE of course.
Really, adding .051 points to Akiko total should make sense to you. You' been suggesting that all this time. W the point system,skaters get GOE as they jump, the total score is averaged out at the end. Perhaps as they score Akiko during her performance, they could have thrown in addtional points since they did't know how Asada was gonna perform. But Akiko's new personal best (regardless of one downgrade) is a clear indication that judges gave her the better end of the bargain
And as for Akiko's mistake, quite many people think that she shouldn't have been downgraded for her 3Lo, while Mao should have been downgraded also for two of her other jumps (one in the Sp, other in the FS). That's another problem. And, actually that's a rarity that doubled triples are rewarded with positive GOE, no matter what is the rule (honestly, I don't remember at the moment).
...and i guess they could have announced to the audience. Well.. eventhough we gave Akiko more points then she could ever bargained for in her free skate(even with a mistake, one downgrade) we realized Mao is .05 more in total points (because Mao was way ahead in the short program. We decided to add .051 to Akiko score. So... the winner of the competition tonight is Akiko, yay!
I think we all know it. But in this system it's the points that are counted together, not the places. And the thing is that the difference between Mao's and Akiko's FS should have been larger than the 9.35 points that Akiko lost to Mao in the short program. I think the fact that here Mao got a score so close to what she got for her free skate at COC where she had lesser mistakes is quite preposterous in itself.
I looked at the protocols more carefully, and you are right. At COC Mao lost almost 4 points less on the base value of her elements, but with the negative GOEs, she lost quite close to what she lost here. Still, as kaorumikeko wrote, a few of Mao's other jumps where not so good as they were given credit for. And, as I already wrote, The difference in PCSs between her and Akiko should have been lesser. Both in the SP and FS (imho).
I know all of that. I saw the short program, I know that Mao won it, and that Akiko was fifth. And also that what Akiko got for her FS is her personal best. I am repeating myself again, but, if you know all of this, then you should also know that in COP the points of the two programs are counted together, not the places. Again - I think that the difference between Akiko and Mao in the free skate should have been at least a bit larger than what Akiko lost in the SP.
---boguswoman81-girl...Regard of Akiko's age, 27 means she is no longer at her peak physic for a skater, which means they usually score less around this age. In addition, this is not world/olympic competition where skaters are usually at their peak condition. Yet Akiko still got her best score ever + some. This show judges was giving her more than she could ever bargained for. Gifted? not what im trying to say, but if that what you understood, then yes! it was gifted!
You either didn't read my two previous posts a continuation of which my last post was, or just completely misunderstood me. Akiko lost to Mao only by 0.05 points. Judges could have given just a little less to Mao, and just a little more to Akiko for their FS (which would have been fare, imho) - just tenths (even hundredths, as you see) of a point would be more than enough - and Akiko would have won. But, as I said, judges only cared for Japan's most popular figure skating star Mao.
Like it or not, Akiko has been better than ever those last two seasons - at the age of 26 and 27. Yes, skaters have often already passed their peak at that age, but as seen with Akiko, it's not a rule. And I think that judges are sensible enough to understand and see that (unlike you, because obviously you think that if something happens in most cases then it's a rule that it's going to happen in all cases and to everyone).
but at COC Mao under-rotated 4 of the jumps she completed. This competition, although she doubled a few, none of her elements were downgraded. Under the point system, a skater get rewarded more for perfecting easier elements then failing on harder ones. People should understand this! Mao certainly learned from her years of going for multi 3axels, and multiple 3-3 combos. All she was getting was downgraded and points taken away.
People keep repeating that Mao won only by 0.05 points, as if it makes her win any fairer. But it only shows how easy it would have been to mark her so that she would be second - as she should have been. If we think of it a bit outside of the system (each mistake in SP is so important, blah, blah) - in both programs combined Akiko made only one serious mistake and one small in the FS, but Mao made four, and possibly even more. And Akiko could have won even within the system.
Why do you think that Akiko's PB couldn't be a tenth of a point (or actually more) larger than what she got? I could very well be, if the judges appreciated her a bit more. Akiko is not a world champion and a star that Mao is, that's why she gets lower PCSs than she actually deserves. Of course, it happens with other not so famous skaters too. But not so with Ashley Wagner - her FS PCSs in her GP events were 2 points higher than Akiko's. I don't think that she is a better skater than Akiko.
She placed 1st in the FREE SKATE, but she was too far behind to catch up. A figure skating competition consists of 2 parts, a short program and a free skate.
Sorry, but you are not making sense now. They could have scored differently even without knowing what the end result will be, if they didn't prefer Mao over Akiko so much. Akiko got more points than ever because she skated better than ever, not because something was gifted to her. As for Akiko's age - yes, she is older than Mao, but, in truth, it's more likely than not that Mao is going to retire from competing after Sochi too.
Im just taking advantage of our conversation to explain and compare the two skaters for everyone else to read. Incase they missed the short program, or doesn't know that judges actually rewarded Akiko with her best score ever. I do like Mao, but I have no problems if Akiko win here. I do want people to understand that you can't just win the whole competition by winning the long alone.
I didn't, but you did! lol. I did mention that at 27, even with one downgrade here, Akiko got a New personal best! no one can argue that judges didn't reward her enough for this performance. No worries, Im not disappointed with outcome of this competition.
Why are you replying to yourself now? Anyway, what you write here is just stupid. Obviously you are too blockheaded to understand what I have been writing. I like both Mao and Akiko, but I am not a huge fan of either of them. I just don't like the injustice done to Akiko in this case. But you are obviously a die-hard fan of Mao who thinks that she is hugely superior to Akiko even if she doubles (or singles) most of her jumps. I'll be glad if I am wrong, but that's how it seems to me.
I know, not only she was first in the free skate, she was rewarded with a personal best!!!! at 27, her best score ever!!!!! what else do people want? she can not just win base on her freeskate. Otherwise, why have the short?
By the way, I have nothing against Mao. I really like her, and liked her long before I noticed and started liking Akiko. But I am not a huge fan of either of them (I am no huge fan of any female skater), so I can be quite objective.
Plus, I also think that Akiko's PCSs should be at least a bit closer to Mao's. Her skating skills are not worse than Mao's, although Mao looks lighter. And I think that her interpretation and the choreography of this program is no worse than Mao's either. They got very similar marks for their performance/execution which is right.
so unfair,,,boo the judging system. The winners of the long program should also get additional points to make up for the mistakes in the short!!!!! they should make this a new rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!
固いはずの氷が湖の水面に見えてくるから不思議…
彼女の滑る喜びがあふれ出ているようなスケートが好きだ
Of course it was not your comment (about "two-footed" landing), and I didn't make that up. 'ILoveFigures' wrote that, and I was responding to her. There is a 'in reply to ILoveFigures' note under my comment.
Except you, I have read no one who said that Akiko should have been downgraded for all her triples. And it's possible to get just base value for an element, it's not always +, or -.
I just reread and actually realized what you wrote. What two-footed landing? Where do you see any two-footed landing? It was marked as an underrotation, not as a two-footed landing. You should watch more carefully, and also look at protocols more carefully. As for the the edge calls, the negative GOEs were quite small - only three -1 (and even two +1) for the first one, and one -2 (the rest ranging from -1 to +1) for the second one. So, those were not considered to be major problems/mistakes.
Exactly, the points added together, thank you! At 27, a retiring age for most elite skater, when they start to score less and less) Akiko still got her best score ever + more points = NEW personal best. But I guess judges could have done more. After they scored Mao, and realized Mao got .05 more in total points, they should have re-scored Mao to give her less points. Or simply add .051 to Akiko score sheet, or subtract a few points from Asada score sheet.
What's the name of the song she is dancing to?
You also have to remember that out off the 7 triples Akiko did here, only 4 of them were clean. 2 edge calls (and rightfully so) and a two-footed landing are considered major mistakes. Just for the fun of it, try to look away from the jumps in the performances of the top 3 ladies. I also would like to remind that Mao, eventhough some of her jumps weren't there, she never gave up on the performance, which was properly reflected in her PCS.
Should have placed 1st
Judges rewarded Akiko with a personal best!!!! at 27, this is her best score ever!!!!!!. What else do you want??? What judges can not do is also give Akiko the points she missed in short, to make sure she win the competition. Are there are rules stating that the ****Winner of the long program should get: LP points + SP points + (points missed in the short) + (in case those are not enough + more points in order to win)?
Girl...thats not my comment. I said nothing about two-footed landing. Are you making things up now? and no... "people" didn't say that, they said Akiko should have been downgraded for all of her triples..lol. In the new system, you are rewarded for what you performed. Skating 101...If you did an element, triple/double/spin you get a base value + GOE. Unless you underrotated, fell, wrong edged..etc then -GOE. If you pop completely or skip an element you get no points and no GOE of course.
Really, adding .051 points to Akiko total should make sense to you. You' been suggesting that all this time. W the point system,skaters get GOE as they jump, the total score is averaged out at the end. Perhaps as they score Akiko during her performance, they could have thrown in addtional points since they did't know how Asada was gonna perform. But Akiko's new personal best (regardless of one downgrade) is a clear indication that judges gave her the better end of the bargain
the song from 4:27 and on??? pleasseeeee
And as for Akiko's mistake, quite many people think that she shouldn't have been downgraded for her 3Lo, while Mao should have been downgraded also for two of her other jumps (one in the Sp, other in the FS). That's another problem. And, actually that's a rarity that doubled triples are rewarded with positive GOE, no matter what is the rule (honestly, I don't remember at the moment).
...and i guess they could have announced to the audience. Well.. eventhough we gave Akiko more points then she could ever bargained for in her free skate(even with a mistake, one downgrade) we realized Mao is .05 more in total points (because Mao was way ahead in the short program. We decided to add .051 to Akiko score. So... the winner of the competition tonight is Akiko, yay!
I think we all know it. But in this system it's the points that are counted together, not the places. And the thing is that the difference between Mao's and Akiko's FS should have been larger than the 9.35 points that Akiko lost to Mao in the short program. I think the fact that here Mao got a score so close to what she got for her free skate at COC where she had lesser mistakes is quite preposterous in itself.
I looked at the protocols more carefully, and you are right. At COC Mao lost almost 4 points less on the base value of her elements, but with the negative GOEs, she lost quite close to what she lost here. Still, as kaorumikeko wrote, a few of Mao's other jumps where not so good as they were given credit for. And, as I already wrote, The difference in PCSs between her and Akiko should have been lesser. Both in the SP and FS (imho).
Akiko, you are fantastic!
suzuki. you's best...
I know all of that. I saw the short program, I know that Mao won it, and that Akiko was fifth. And also that what Akiko got for her FS is her personal best. I am repeating myself again, but, if you know all of this, then you should also know that in COP the points of the two programs are counted together, not the places. Again - I think that the difference between Akiko and Mao in the free skate should have been at least a bit larger than what Akiko lost in the SP.
akiko numero 1...mao asada in pensione...
---boguswoman81-girl...Regard of Akiko's age, 27 means she is no longer at her peak physic for a skater, which means they usually score less around this age. In addition, this is not world/olympic competition where skaters are usually at their peak condition. Yet Akiko still got her best score ever + some. This show judges was giving her more than she could ever bargained for. Gifted? not what im trying to say, but if that what you understood, then yes! it was gifted!
You either didn't read my two previous posts a continuation of which my last post was, or just completely misunderstood me. Akiko lost to Mao only by 0.05 points. Judges could have given just a little less to Mao, and just a little more to Akiko for their FS (which would have been fare, imho) - just tenths (even hundredths, as you see) of a point would be more than enough - and Akiko would have won. But, as I said, judges only cared for Japan's most popular figure skating star Mao.
Like it or not, Akiko has been better than ever those last two seasons - at the age of 26 and 27. Yes, skaters have often already passed their peak at that age, but as seen with Akiko, it's not a rule. And I think that judges are sensible enough to understand and see that (unlike you, because obviously you think that if something happens in most cases then it's a rule that it's going to happen in all cases and to everyone).
but at COC Mao under-rotated 4 of the jumps she completed. This competition, although she doubled a few, none of her elements were downgraded. Under the point system, a skater get rewarded more for perfecting easier elements then failing on harder ones. People should understand this! Mao certainly learned from her years of going for multi 3axels, and multiple 3-3 combos. All she was getting was downgraded and points taken away.
People keep repeating that Mao won only by 0.05 points, as if it makes her win any fairer. But it only shows how easy it would have been to mark her so that she would be second - as she should have been. If we think of it a bit outside of the system (each mistake in SP is so important, blah, blah) - in both programs combined Akiko made only one serious mistake and one small in the FS, but Mao made four, and possibly even more. And Akiko could have won even within the system.
Why do you think that Akiko's PB couldn't be a tenth of a point (or actually more) larger than what she got? I could very well be, if the judges appreciated her a bit more. Akiko is not a world champion and a star that Mao is, that's why she gets lower PCSs than she actually deserves. Of course, it happens with other not so famous skaters too. But not so with Ashley Wagner - her FS PCSs in her GP events were 2 points higher than Akiko's. I don't think that she is a better skater than Akiko.
Mao Asada is 22, while Akiko Suzuki is 27. Probably that's one of the reasons why the Japanese Federation is not supporting her that much.
She placed 1st in the FREE SKATE, but she was too far behind to catch up. A figure skating competition consists of 2 parts, a short program and a free skate.
Sorry, but you are not making sense now. They could have scored differently even without knowing what the end result will be, if they didn't prefer Mao over Akiko so much. Akiko got more points than ever because she skated better than ever, not because something was gifted to her. As for Akiko's age - yes, she is older than Mao, but, in truth, it's more likely than not that Mao is going to retire from competing after Sochi too.
Im just taking advantage of our conversation to explain and compare the two skaters for everyone else to read. Incase they missed the short program, or doesn't know that judges actually rewarded Akiko with her best score ever. I do like Mao, but I have no problems if Akiko win here. I do want people to understand that you can't just win the whole competition by winning the long alone.
I didn't, but you did! lol. I did mention that at 27, even with one downgrade here, Akiko got a New personal best! no one can argue that judges didn't reward her enough for this performance. No worries, Im not disappointed with outcome of this competition.
But judges just were not inclined to give Akiko the win. They only cared about Mao and her reputation.
the ONLY female asian skater who is not a jump machine but AN ARTIST with the big "a"
Yes im not stupid. But Mao should have had a longer free skate score which would have put suzuki 1st.
Why are you replying to yourself now? Anyway, what you write here is just stupid. Obviously you are too blockheaded to understand what I have been writing. I like both Mao and Akiko, but I am not a huge fan of either of them. I just don't like the injustice done to Akiko in this case. But you are obviously a die-hard fan of Mao who thinks that she is hugely superior to Akiko even if she doubles (or singles) most of her jumps. I'll be glad if I am wrong, but that's how it seems to me.
I know, not only she was first in the free skate, she was rewarded with a personal best!!!! at 27, her best score ever!!!!! what else do people want? she can not just win base on her freeskate. Otherwise, why have the short?
By the way, I have nothing against Mao. I really like her, and liked her long before I noticed and started liking Akiko. But I am not a huge fan of either of them (I am no huge fan of any female skater), so I can be quite objective.
----bosguswoman81....why don't youjust add 10 more points to Akiko free skate. I won't tell anyone :)
She got robbed !!
Plus, I also think that Akiko's PCSs should be at least a bit closer to Mao's. Her skating skills are not worse than Mao's, although Mao looks lighter. And I think that her interpretation and the choreography of this program is no worse than Mao's either. They got very similar marks for their performance/execution which is right.
so unfair,,,boo the judging system. The winners of the long program should also get additional points to make up for the mistakes in the short!!!!! they should make this a new rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and to me - this is the worst program Akiko has put out in the last couple of years