@@AngxHoff it's great and amazing and I love watching him. Yuzuru is GOAT. ....Sorry, am I supposed to not like him and fight you on it? So sad you don't get to troll on some stranger's comment? 🙄
I've been a figure skating fan for decades. What we are seeing with Ilia Malinin is another quad contest like in the 90s. Not that I mind quad jumps, but I hope that we get to a saner period where quads will only be one part of a skater's program, and not the main part. We need to get back to all-round programs which show artistry and physicality.
You've seen him do it once and you already claim that this will be another quad contest. Give the kid a break. Don't spoil the celebration of another human feat.
@@carlgauuss399 this is the start. If other skaters see him being successful with the number of quad jumps he does, then they will be tempted to do the same thing.
4Lo is such a monster of a jump, it doesn't have a toe assist unlike with theoretically harder jumps like the Lutz and Flip, and it's a lot more difficult to cheat the jump. It isn't a surprise it is such a rare jump unlike the Lutz and Flip that can be cheated easier.
The loop is quite possibly one of the easiest of the jumps because it does not change axis like a toe loop Axel or Salchow. All you do is turn on the edge hook, vault off the toe pick and your pull in and you're you're up and running.... Anybody that thinks a loop is difficult must be listening to other idiots on the internet... Just look at what double jump most beginners get first, it is the loop because it is the easiest of the double jumps., You just sit on that back outside edge lean a bit hook half turn and VAULT(that's right, I said vault) off the toe pick pull in rotate nothing changes, your arms and legs is just come in and out....
@hopenlegacy1975 Yes you are correct. however some coaches would still correct it. Coaches such as Mishin, Orser and Rafael, would still correct his technique, even if it meant it would be less consistent while the was adjusting to the new technique. But I agree most coaches wouldn't change it if he's winning and the judges don't care. Funnily enough when he popped his 4-flip at NHK that toe pick was the most correct technique I had ever seen from him.
@@russki1978 Ok, what's that supposed to mean? I even remember seeing Trusova do a quad loop. The quad loop is the exact same jump as all these blade assisted supposed quad flips and Lutzes.
I watched last years GP season and after seeing Ilia Malinin I predicted he would be the one to land the 4A if Yuzu didn't manage it by the olympics. He was incredible
Edge jumps are my favourite. Even the supposedly easy Salchow. 4Lo always takes my breath away. I was just as speechless the second time it was debuted when I saw Adelia landed it for the ladies. Interestingly, I prefer bigger Axels or ones with complicated entries so 3A is enough for me to appreciate. But that doesn't stop me from celebrating Ilia's 4A or Hanyu's almost 4A. Thanks for the video!
A mi no me importa si Yuzuru Hanyu hace saltos, su sola presencia parado en el escenario es suficiente para llenarlo, una verdadera estrella, un verdadero artista que brilla con luz propia.
I've never heard about Ilia before and now I feel kind of ashamed since that 4A was beautiful... I've watched figure skating before and have been a fan of Yuzu, Chavi, Shoma Uno, Roman Sadovsky, Michal Březina and Cha Junghwan, but since most of them retired (including my ultimate favourite skater Yuzu), I've not been keeping up with skating as much and am now kind of regretting.... I'll have to get to know Ilia better, cause just from this axel I saw talent and charm...
to be fair this is Ilia's first senior season and the 4a was from his very first competition of this season so if you don't follow juniors/US skating then there's nothing to feel ashamed of. Ilia is a relatively new face.
Ilia is really making history but he is not getting the recognition he should. Like some people who don’t know a lot about figure skating say Valieva, Yuzu and Trusova already landed one And there were pretty few news about it (maybe because it was not a very big competition).
@@burrito255 : Yeah, he is very famous now! He is only 17 years old, has not won any major title (like world, 1 Olympic Gold like Nathan, or 2 Olympic Gold like Yuzuru) but a lot people know him.
I’m old enough to remember when Browning completed the first quad. I also remember before him Boitano trying and failing. Reportedly Christopher Bowman landed it in practice many times (not sure ever in competition though). I also recall at the time the belief that other quad jumps were possible, but a quad axel may never be competed. 30+ years later, here we are.
Also some you can see they use the pick of the skate to take off and others they don’t. The toe loop and flip and Lutz are pick-assisted and the loop, axel, and salcow are edge jumps. The axel is the easiest to spot because it’s the only one where the skater takes off facing forward; every other jump has them taking off facing backwards. I know the Lutz is where they spin the opposite direction then what is normal, and the others are just knowing which lands on the same leg and which switches. I think the flip and the salcow switch and the loops land on the same foot.
@@SirCharlesLikesChurros I’m not quite sure because I’m not figure skater, but people say that either the Lutz is the hardest because you turn the opposite way you normally would or they say the axel because there is that extra half turn
Very cool. In 1984 on an early morning practice; Douglas Leigh my coach says to me let's try quad loop. My triplets had been effortless that day and extra tight in rotation. My heart started to flutter. But I heard Doug say easy and follow through. The other skaters watched and in my first attempt, landed my first quad. The quad loop. It was a pretty cool feeling. Took alot out of my take off and landing knee. Watching this brings back memories. Very cool post.
If it happened in competition instead of exhibitions, the first triple Axel could have been landed back in 1974 ruclips.net/video/jfWIMJmD12Y/видео.html
@@3Axel1996 Indeed Gordon McKellan. His triple axel was listed in the Guinness Book of Records for a while in the 1970's although it stated he did not land it in competition. We could say he landed the first 'public' triple axel.
David Jenkins landed the first triple axle ever in 1957. Maybe it wasn't in competition, but it was a hell of a lot better than Verne Taylor's triple axle in 1978... ruclips.net/video/w2unFSmlNjI/видео.html
It's pretty wild to see the huge gap in time between them all! And now everyone is asking Ilia when he's doing the quint! I am extremely certain that he could do one if he wanted to, but he put it pretty well in an interview, he basically said he needs to be realistic about what can consistently be done in a competition and what he actually needs to do to win
nice video! i didn't know that the lutz was the 3rd quad landed, i thought it was the hardest quad apart from the axel. anyways really excited for further jump progress and possibly quints... (i think it'll take a while though)
Yes, the lutz is technically harder than loop and flip but if you're good at it the lutz take off gives more height and power, that's why we saw it a bit more 4Lz than 4Lo or 4F!
@@theluciadd the base values do reflect the level of difficulty of the jumps. The code of points was developed before the 4 hardest quads were attempted and landed... So it is possible that the quad Lutz was landed first because the skaters trained for it due to the base value being higher. There was an incentive to learn it.
@@theluciadd What isn't noted is that loop takes a lot of physical energy, even if it's easier to learn than Lutz. with triples it's not an issue, but a 4Lo is relatively exhausting so it's difficult for program. In addition, Mroz probably looked at the jumps and decided to train 4Lz, as it was worth more than 4Lo and not too much more difficult. The reward was higher for the jump, so it was more worthwhile to train.
@@theluciadd they are, on average at least and it's also the order you learn the jumps in (sal, toe, loop, flip, lutz, axel) but it's not 100%. some skaters prefer edge jumps, some prefer toe jumps, everyone's good at a different thing. for someone who's favourite jump is a lutz, that's gonna be easier for them than a sal even though the sal is technically the less difficult jump
I’d like to point out the fact than none of those first 4lz and 4f were « textbook ». They both have prerotation. Still, when women (Russian) attempt these jumps for the first time too, they get railed on social medias because they have not « prefect » technique. You can see how people have double standards, and how this sport is still so toxic and sexist. When it’s men, you just have to make an achievement. When you’re a women, if what you achieved is not perfect AND beautiful you’ll not only never get the appreciation for it, but you’ll get roasted for even attempting it, no matter how hard you trained and how difficult was the element. Rules are one thing, but please, give women appreciation for trying it. Those double standards are discouraging and upsetting.
@@jamesyu5212 No. I certainly have my doubts but the fact is, only Kamila tested positive. It’s not fair to cast judgement on other skaters who have no way to prove their innocence except through a negative drug test…which they did.
Yuzuru must be watching this 4A landing 17yo, and think, this kid is gonna be the future of figure skating. He's gonna be like me. Go little rock star 🥺
@Prologue well, if that’s true, then isn’t being able to do quads and the like, the complete package? They’re sportsmen, they can only go by the rules of the sport, I don’t feel like if you remove or add aspects to the sport over time, you can call new people worse because they haven’t mastered the rules as they were defined in the past, right?
@@911randompsp If he's going to skate like that at US Nationals, he's going to get more. And he is going to get more as he becomes older and wins more medals. But, of course, that's not the point.
У ханю при всем моем уважении был выезд на 5 точке и это факт. Первым прыгнул ЧИСТО Илья в рамках соревнований, а ханю засчитали попытку. Если судить так как судите вы то первым вообще был Дмитриев.
@@жертвапрокрастинации-м8ф Дмитриев прыгал на ОИ ? В каком году, не подскажите? А Илья пусть хоть сначала СС подтянет, а то как бы 4А прыгает, а остальное побоку. А то не видать ему "золота ". И даже с такими грибищами.
@@Hrom4eg Ханю ничего не открывал,до него было море попыток преземлить 4а, а на ои он его не прыгнул. Конечно в протоколах записан 4а, потому,что весь контент фиксируют если вы не знали,но он все равно не засчитан.
It's cool to see how judging has evolved. There is no way those first two jumps in the 1980s get ratified by today's standards. They are underrotated by at least a quarter. That doesn't take away anything from their accomplishments. they are still just as amazing attempts, and real trail blaizers
Most, including myself until today for me, don't know that the hardest quad jump which is quad axel has 4.5 revolutions to complete it. Ilia has to spin 4.5 times in the air and he does it effortlessly!😲
This video should be split up with first ever male quad jumps and first ever female. Women’s bodies are different so they do get there a little later but Trusova did five quads the same year Nathan Chen did, but didn’t even get gold. And no her technique was not awful. I saw everyone commenting that they were happy the Russians were not allowed to compete because they would rather see a clean triple than a messy quad, but bro, I was watching the highlights and even the doubles the women were doing were pretty bad. Forget technique, they were all stumbling and falling and fighting to land. When they land no one, and this is for men too, has more elegance in their landing positions than those Russian girls. And they almost always transition into something crazy right after their jumps as well.
Trusova's programme consisted of nothing more than jumps. It was not a real programme, it was just going from jump to jump with nothing in between. While Anna Scherbakova's programme was very beautiful and complete, as was Nathan Chen's. They were the right winners. The problem of the Russian girls' skating is not the landing, but the pre-rotation. They are trained to do this and the biggest problem with it is that it's damaging for their bodies. That's why we rather see a clean triple by one of the Japanse women for example.
Russian women land their quads better than these men, yet figure skating "fans" sh*t on these amazing women all the time and say "they're doing badly". No, they're not. They skate much cleaner than your male faves.
@@НаталіяПетелько Right. These 15 year old girIs definitely decided to start a war. It was them and not erratic men. Blame teenage girls whenever you can, right?
Do we know the first people to jump textbook 4F and 4Lz? And crazy jumps by Yuzu and Ilia. 4Lo looks awkward to jump but he landed it perfectly (I think the BV should be the same as flip or lutz, it seems to be the hardest quad outside of axel.) And Ilia jumping 4A is groundbreaking. Many deemed it impossible and he proved them wrong.
@@waterphantom0424 Shoma Uno landed the first ratified one but for me it looked badly cheating and the landing wasn't pretty. His 4F is better now but not as good Nathan's was.
All of them are incredible figure skaters, but Yuzuru Hanyu is above all. I cannot find words to describe my feelings when I watch him on ice. It's not only about hard work; it's about God-given talent! Genius!
I love the music you use for the transition between clips. I see you say the the music are called “Shave” and “Miami”, but do you have artist names? With just these titles I find it hard to search for them
Estoy segura de que si Ilia realmente haya aterrizado un 4A de manual, es decir el 4A ,puro sin prerotación, Massimiliano Ambesi, el mayor conocedor del patinaje artístico lo tendrá en su pagina, sigo esperando que lo publique... Tu video es muy lindo, Ilia sobra, no está ratiificado ni comprobado que es un 4A puro.
Амбези истеричка фанатка дискредитировашая себя как журналиста.Предварительное вращение на акселе технически положено,потому что это реберный прыжок ,норма 90 градусов.У Ханю преротейшен больше 90 градусов,у Ильи меньше.Но как занимательно что преротейшен не акселе вы стали замечать только когда Илья прыгнул 4А.А как же вы не замечали преротейшен на акселях Ханю?Чем вы смотрели на его прыжки?
Of course the 1st 4Lz and 4F were landed by skaters with poor toe jump technique just shows how many ugly looking severely prerotated lutz and flip that we have today
@@pedropelaez bitter for spilling facts? Nope I feel fine, it's there in ISU communication 2474 about poor take off deductions for severe prerotation. I guess reading as a new hobby?
@@yohanes2034 Unfortunately it only specifies 4T, so it leaves the matter of pre-rotation open to interpretation where it pertains to all other jumps. And considering the precedent ISU set, it's clear they don't really care to settle the matter.
@@Mica_T the exact word is like this Poor take-off: For example a toe-assisted jump is taken off from the full blade, Toe Loop is executed like a Toe Axel or there is excessive rotation on the ice at the take-off. The reduction in GOE is -1 to -3. I think it's not only punishing toeloops as it starts with "toe assisted jumps" which means flip and lutz are included as well. The toe axel has been there in the ijs since the beginning and they added the "or" which is the full blade and excessive prerotation as example of poor take off. This is new. Now regarding if judges will ever comply and apply this new rules is different matter entirely. We already know that they never do what they supposed to do. Like giving 9s to SS and TR for skaters with empty programs and mediocre skating. I bet it won't drastically change or maybe we'll see disparity of GOE given across judges for the same element because ISU has never punished corrupt judges
У Ильи есть и более красивое исполнение 4А.А Теперь он приземлил 6 квадов! Он великий парень и не надо говорить что у него только прыжки,он нормально катает по мужски а не вихляется как некоторые которым судьи ставят огромные баллы с тройными.Это нечестно для тех кто прыгает несколько квадов.
@@jamesyu5212 They haven't added it as people thought they would be impossible. Soon it will be added. If somebody did one in competition tomorrow, theyd just get the points for a quad. It won't be zero points, it'd be judged as overotated quad.
мужчинам от первого тулупа до первого флипа пришлось подождать 28 лет, а Александра Трусова исполнила флип всего через 1 год и 10 месяцев после тулупа плюсом она тогда исполнила ещё и четверной сальхов вместе с тулупом (хоть и второй в истории среди женщин), что тоже контрастирует с мужчинами у них сальхов был исполнен через 10 лет после тулупа, а Трусова исполнила сразу оба
Всё верно подмечено, но вы не упомянули, сколько мужчинам пришлось ждать, когда же женщина (девочка) исполнит свой первый четверной😉 И когда женщина (девочка) исполнит свой первый четверной аксель? Через сколько лет после первых тулупов? Странные у вас подсчёты, какая-то то гордость на ровном месте. Если надо было, то все четверные разучили бы за пару лет, вы вдумайтесь в смысл этих четверных. Тогда, в далёкие 80-е и даже недавние 00-е, в фигурном катании царила красота над техникой и была другая система подсчётов. Мужчины не стремились исполнить как можно больше четверных, тогда их мало кто делал, да и конкуренция была другой и разные были школы, своё лобби. Вопрос не стоял кто первым исполнит все четверные, это сейчас идёт гонка четверных. Тогда были недокруты в прыжках, грязные выезды, не те рёбра, судьи без техники не могли всё это увидеть и зафиксировать, поэтому спортсмены не делали уклон в техническую часть и не стремились побыстрее выполнить все четверные прыжки. Да и банально это не так дорого оценивалось специалистами, а за падения снималось много баллов! Есть обратная сторона четверных прыжков, из-за них женское катание превратилось в девичье, потому что полученные травмы не позволяют дальше продолжать карьеру и прыгать такие прыжки могут только юные спортсменки с небольшим весом (в основном это так). Так что ваша гордость за быстрое освоение четверных прыжков просто не терпит никакой конструктивной критики.
Tara Lipinski won olympics at age 15 and No-one claiming we need age limits because Lipinski was WESTERN WORLD WHITE Skater! If no talent males men like Yuzuru Hanyu and Ilya Malinin can do and try quad axel 4,5 round rotation then ladies can jump quads jumps easily! Men skate 10% faster than top ladies and men jump 17% higher and longer than top ladies! So we formula 1/2mv2=mgh and we get top ladies can jump 3,8-4 round rotation easily! There are over 200xtimes More girls figure skaters than no talent Boys skaters! We should have 40-50 women doing quads easily! STOP This Lie lame trash crap probaganda against women and Russians!!
ARGH! Tripple Lutz 6.0 - Tripple Axel 8.5 (2.5 points more) and then Quad Lutz 11.5 - Quad Axel 12.5 (only 1 point more) - how is that fair?!!?! It shoud give 15 points!!!!
Когда? На Олимпиаде 2022 Юдзуру упал при выполнении акселя. Вы правда считаете, что прыжок с падением может считаться выполненным? When? At the 2022 Olympics, Yuzuru fell while doing the Axel. Do you really think that a jump with a fall can be considered completed?
@@СветланаФочкина Young skaters only think about how to jump. They don't care whether they use cheating technique or clean technique. It is so sad. It depends on someone's character.
what is the diffence about it??? The matter is who is the most interesting. Today figure skating is not interesting generally, even if these spotsmen would make this jump in twine
The way Ilia's skates it's 4A is accepted by ISU today - judges let go "pre-rotate", also, they don't judge on non-proper use of toe-pick, blade, and edge. I don't want to be specific to him - many skaters do their 3A while not follow the Axel jump definition - take off left forward outside edge. Look at other videos posted by this channel. Check out how Kamila, Yuzuru, Kihira did their 3A (or Yuzuru's 4A). Jason Brown has a good video about all 6 different jumps. Ilia's left leg/foot skate much simpler/shorter (in distance) and slower compared to other top skaters. Basically, he skid his left blade, then do a stretch after his right leg/foot had a powerful kick/forward rotation. Look at the height of his right leg/foot when he is about to take off - is it realistic? Compared to other skater's 3A - in what condition, ones right leg/foot can lift that high if one have activities on their both leg/feet? For Axel jump, one need to skate forward (with right leg/foot follow behind) toward outside on their left foot until take off, and right leg/foot start forward rotation. When it gets to take off, most of time, you just have left toe-pick touch the ice. And next moment, left foot blade would have a big angle change (that's the result if one continue have force on their left leg/foot). Please do a study on how to do Axel jump by videos or graph, or at least "edge jump"). Don't just do "surface" work. Why Axel jump is so hard? 1) Take off forward (note: it's not just facing forward. Left foot/leg need to skate forward. 2) Because both leg/foot has some activities when take off, one need to have good synchronization of both leg's activities. If only one leg play a major role, the other leg just play a very minor role, what's the difficulty?
@@swimbod21 : I like his powerful 4.5 rotation (or close) in the air. Twist of his body to get the number of rotation needs is not easy! Even Brian Orser said he has good balance. It's born. Not trained! Amazing!
The 'skid' on the Axel has always been considered normal Axel technique. The reason he can do the 4A is because he has such good technique - the huge step up. The fact that you sight Valieva as an example of good Axel technique is laughable. She doesn't step up and uses the little girl wrap method. And the fact you try to complain about prerotation with regards to Ilia's great jump tehnique instead of Shoma's masively pre-rotated 4F makes me think you're a salty Fanyu
@@benbailey159bb : I don't see them often among top skaters, neither seen them in any videos teach people how to do 'Axel' - it could be allowable but not textbook style. For example, Nathan Chen. I saw his video attempt 4A. Similar to Yuzuru's 4A attempt. Not skid type. Check out his 3A. There are some good videos on RUclips about best triple Axel jump. Look for those. As I said, Jason Brown did pretty good 3A too. BTW, I am not a salty Fanyu. I praised all good skills from good skaters.
y'all...WHY DO THESE ALL LOOK THE SAME TO ME?! why cant i tell the different between a 4LZ and a 4S and a 4T or ANY of them?? Other than the 4A being 4.5 spins, they're all jumping, spinning four times, and landing. Someone please explain bc my brain hurts
Pon la velocidad de reproducción del video a 0.5 y observa la posición de los patines antes del salto, eso es lo que define el nombre de cada uno y el sentido en el que se hacen las rotaciones. Aún no me aprendo específicamente cada uno, pero se que el Lutz es un salto de picada, el pie derecho debe picar el hielo, mirando hacia adelante y de ahí a 4.5 rotaciones antes de pisar de nuevo el hielo en un sólo pie, sin esfuerzo y con equilibrio, puedo citar este por ejemplo ya que me fascina este salto loco, al igual que el triple axel de Hanyu Yuzuru.
So, I am a figure skating fan...so I can figure out what your abbreviations mean...but not everyone can...you should edit and write what jump each individual landed...regardless if these abbreviations are in the title.
Yes, but he landed it on 2 feet and got like -5 GOE I really wanted him to do a clean tripple but this man has every title out there. He didn't give a damn about winning without the 4A
@Origin You Hanyu fans are delusional. There was no certification for Hanyu's Quad Axel in the Olympics. I will say that is the best one I ever saw him do, buy the first certified one was from Malinin...
@@paolo1391 what are you talking about? Yuzuru's 4A in the Olympics was certified, he just didn't get full points for it because he didn't do it perfectly, but it wasn't downgraded to 3A
can someone explain to me the difference of all this?? im sorry this is my first time learning abt figure skating and they look all pretty the same to me
They do look really similar but it's the entrance of the jump that makes them all different its kinda hard to explain the difference between then all but hopefully that helped even though it's no much
@@Jdkdudnemdodh oh i see! after u mentioned it i noticed they did smth before they jumped and every one was different from the other. it was insightful information, thank u!
I love watching Yuzuru go into quads like they're no big deal😂
Yuzuru has the weirdest entries for his jumps. There's even a video about it.
@@lacialovescats And your point is?
@@AngxHoff it's great and amazing and I love watching him. Yuzuru is GOAT.
....Sorry, am I supposed to not like him and fight you on it? So sad you don't get to troll on some stranger's comment? 🙄
@@lacialovescats you got it all wrong, i thought you were making fun of him since you used the word "weird" i admire yuzuru
@@AngxHoff I think he/she meant Yuzu is capable of applying an array of various entries into his jumps, ones you can or cannot think of.
I've been a figure skating fan for decades. What we are seeing with Ilia Malinin is another quad contest like in the 90s. Not that I mind quad jumps, but I hope that we get to a saner period where quads will only be one part of a skater's program, and not the main part. We need to get back to all-round programs which show artistry and physicality.
M new into this.. but why do all jumps look similar… but have different names
You've seen him do it once and you already claim that this will be another quad contest. Give the kid a break. Don't spoil the celebration of another human feat.
@@carlgauuss399 this is the start. If other skaters see him being successful with the number of quad jumps he does, then they will be tempted to do the same thing.
@@yousufownzu6902 starting and ending position...axel being the hardest because of the forward takeoff
You say it like thats a bad thing ?
I still don't get it what charm yuzuru got I just always get mesmerised and have no words
bro yuzu's speed and height fcks me up everytime wtf
I am just mesmerized by this quad axel of Ilia; he gets into the air so incredibly high and it looks so beautifully smooth. It is just fantastic! 🌈❤️
4Lo is such a monster of a jump, it doesn't have a toe assist unlike with theoretically harder jumps like the Lutz and Flip, and it's a lot more difficult to cheat the jump. It isn't a surprise it is such a rare jump unlike the Lutz and Flip that can be cheated easier.
the loop can also be cheated with pre-rotation, Shoma pre-rotates all the time. Hopefully his coach Lambiel starts to correct this technique.
The loop is quite possibly one of the easiest of the jumps because it does not change axis like a toe loop Axel or Salchow. All you do is turn on the edge hook, vault off the toe pick and your pull in and you're you're up and running.... Anybody that thinks a loop is difficult must be listening to other idiots on the internet... Just look at what double jump most beginners get first, it is the loop because it is the easiest of the double jumps., You just sit on that back outside edge lean a bit hook half turn and VAULT(that's right, I said vault) off the toe pick pull in rotate nothing changes, your arms and legs is just come in and out....
@hopenlegacy1975 Yes you are correct. however some coaches would still correct it. Coaches such as Mishin, Orser and Rafael, would still correct his technique, even if it meant it would be less consistent while the was adjusting to the new technique. But I agree most coaches wouldn't change it if he's winning and the judges don't care. Funnily enough when he popped his 4-flip at NHK that toe pick was the most correct technique I had ever seen from him.
@@paolo1391 Trusova says she doesn't know how to jump a quad loop. All the other quads come easy to her.
@@russki1978 Ok, what's that supposed to mean? I even remember seeing Trusova do a quad loop. The quad loop is the exact same jump as all these blade assisted supposed quad flips and Lutzes.
I watched last years GP season and after seeing Ilia Malinin I predicted he would be the one to land the 4A if Yuzu didn't manage it by the olympics. He was incredible
Edge jumps are my favourite. Even the supposedly easy Salchow. 4Lo always takes my breath away. I was just as speechless the second time it was debuted when I saw Adelia landed it for the ladies. Interestingly, I prefer bigger Axels or ones with complicated entries so 3A is enough for me to appreciate. But that doesn't stop me from celebrating Ilia's 4A or Hanyu's almost 4A. Thanks for the video!
A mi no me importa si Yuzuru Hanyu hace saltos, su sola presencia parado en el escenario es suficiente para llenarlo, una verdadera estrella, un verdadero artista que brilla con luz propia.
I've never heard about Ilia before and now I feel kind of ashamed since that 4A was beautiful... I've watched figure skating before and have been a fan of Yuzu, Chavi, Shoma Uno, Roman Sadovsky, Michal Březina and Cha Junghwan, but since most of them retired (including my ultimate favourite skater Yuzu), I've not been keeping up with skating as much and am now kind of regretting.... I'll have to get to know Ilia better, cause just from this axel I saw talent and charm...
to be fair this is Ilia's first senior season and the 4a was from his very first competition of this season so if you don't follow juniors/US skating then there's nothing to feel ashamed of. Ilia is a relatively new face.
I mean his 4A was pretty recent. Just a few weeks ago.
Chavi?
Lol, fan of all skaters except the best
@@lyverbird Javier Fernandez
Ilia is really making history but he is not getting the recognition he should.
Like some people who don’t know a lot about figure skating say Valieva, Yuzu and Trusova already landed one
And there were pretty few news about it (maybe because it was not a very big competition).
He is only 17. Continue all the efforts, practice the same, try to do his best be a good skater. He will be there - that's what Nathan Chen did.
@@huiyinglu4514 👍
he's well known though. I personally discovered him when he landed his 4A in training and every FS channel / Instagram talked about this
@@burrito255 : Yeah, he is very famous now! He is only 17 years old, has not won any major title (like world, 1 Olympic Gold like Nathan, or 2 Olympic Gold like Yuzuru) but a lot people know him.
Because he doesn't have any major title yet.
I’m old enough to remember when Browning completed the first quad. I also remember before him Boitano trying and failing. Reportedly Christopher Bowman landed it in practice many times (not sure ever in competition though). I also recall at the time the belief that other quad jumps were possible, but a quad axel may never be competed. 30+ years later, here we are.
Am I blind... I can't see how these are different hahahha *cries
It depends on which edge of the skate and forward or backward. Same skate take off and land
Also some you can see they use the pick of the skate to take off and others they don’t. The toe loop and flip and Lutz are pick-assisted and the loop, axel, and salcow are edge jumps. The axel is the easiest to spot because it’s the only one where the skater takes off facing forward; every other jump has them taking off facing backwards. I know the Lutz is where they spin the opposite direction then what is normal, and the others are just knowing which lands on the same leg and which switches. I think the flip and the salcow switch and the loops land on the same foot.
@@StealthheartDraws so is the Axel the hardest?
@@SirCharlesLikesChurros I’m not quite sure because I’m not figure skater, but people say that either the Lutz is the hardest because you turn the opposite way you normally would or they say the axel because there is that extra half turn
@@StealthheartDraws this info was really helpful. Thanks!
Very cool. In 1984 on an early morning practice; Douglas Leigh my coach says to me let's try quad loop. My triplets had been effortless that day and extra tight in rotation. My heart started to flutter. But I heard Doug say easy and follow through. The other skaters watched and in my first attempt, landed my first quad. The quad loop.
It was a pretty cool feeling. Took alot out of my take off and landing knee.
Watching this brings back memories. Very cool post.
Gosh - I'm so old I can remember watching Vern Taylor landing the first 3 Axel at 1978 World's!
If it happened in competition instead of exhibitions, the first triple Axel could have been landed back in 1974 ruclips.net/video/jfWIMJmD12Y/видео.html
@@3Axel1996 Indeed Gordon McKellan. His triple axel was listed in the Guinness Book of Records for a while in the 1970's although it stated he did not land it in competition. We could say he landed the first 'public' triple axel.
David Jenkins landed the first triple axle ever in 1957. Maybe it wasn't in competition, but it was a hell of a lot better than Verne Taylor's triple axle in 1978... ruclips.net/video/w2unFSmlNjI/видео.html
I was in the audience when Browning landed his in Budapest. Hanyu's rotations mid-air are very fast.
It's pretty wild to see the huge gap in time between them all!
And now everyone is asking Ilia when he's doing the quint! I am extremely certain that he could do one if he wanted to, but he put it pretty well in an interview, he basically said he needs to be realistic about what can consistently be done in a competition and what he actually needs to do to win
beautiful 4Lo with a difficult entry as well
nice video! i didn't know that the lutz was the 3rd quad landed, i thought it was the hardest quad apart from the axel. anyways really excited for further jump progress and possibly quints... (i think it'll take a while though)
@@fluff_bunny1885 hmmm makes sense, i guess base value scores aren't really ranked by easiest->hardest (which is kind of weird)
Yes, the lutz is technically harder than loop and flip but if you're good at it the lutz take off gives more height and power, that's why we saw it a bit more 4Lz than 4Lo or 4F!
@@theluciadd the base values do reflect the level of difficulty of the jumps. The code of points was developed before the 4 hardest quads were attempted and landed... So it is possible that the quad Lutz was landed first because the skaters trained for it due to the base value being higher. There was an incentive to learn it.
@@theluciadd What isn't noted is that loop takes a lot of physical energy, even if it's easier to learn than Lutz. with triples it's not an issue, but a 4Lo is relatively exhausting so it's difficult for program.
In addition, Mroz probably looked at the jumps and decided to train 4Lz, as it was worth more than 4Lo and not too much more difficult. The reward was higher for the jump, so it was more worthwhile to train.
@@theluciadd they are, on average at least and it's also the order you learn the jumps in (sal, toe, loop, flip, lutz, axel) but it's not 100%. some skaters prefer edge jumps, some prefer toe jumps, everyone's good at a different thing. for someone who's favourite jump is a lutz, that's gonna be easier for them than a sal even though the sal is technically the less difficult jump
That 4A was amazing.
1:29 *casually does world’s first quad lutz to soft relaxing jazz music to 5 people *
He do be like that. Really chill guy.
I’d like to point out the fact than none of those first 4lz and 4f were « textbook ». They both have prerotation. Still, when women (Russian) attempt these jumps for the first time too, they get railed on social medias because they have not « prefect » technique. You can see how people have double standards, and how this sport is still so toxic and sexist. When it’s men, you just have to make an achievement. When you’re a women, if what you achieved is not perfect AND beautiful you’ll not only never get the appreciation for it, but you’ll get roasted for even attempting it, no matter how hard you trained and how difficult was the element. Rules are one thing, but please, give women appreciation for trying it. Those double standards are discouraging and upsetting.
I don't know who appreciates quads done by the power of drugs. ROFL
@@Fmsnwjrjfico Only Valieva doped...not to mention that Miki Ando, a japanese woman, was the first girl who landed a 4S.
@@funsies7147 oh you must be living in fantasy land if you think only Kamila doped.
@@jamesyu5212 No. I certainly have my doubts but the fact is, only Kamila tested positive. It’s not fair to cast judgement on other skaters who have no way to prove their innocence except through a negative drug test…which they did.
@@funsies7147 I can see your IQ not even testing. Are you having fun in the fantasy land in your mind?
４回転ルッツの初成功者がブランドン・ムロズ選手だったこと動画を見て思い出しました。４回転半だけは成功者は出ないと
思っていただけにイリア・マイニン選手の成功、認定は興奮しました。長い時間かけて４回転が全種成功者を出したこと
振り返ることができました。動画UPありがとうございます。
Yuzuru must be watching this 4A landing 17yo, and think, this kid is gonna be the future of figure skating. He's gonna be like me.
Go little rock star 🥺
@Prologue just report them don't worry
@Prologue Ilia doesn’t prerotate though look at his lutz it’s completely textbook
@Prologue hey, he’s only 17. Who’s to say he won’t be the complete package? At 17 he’s already done something no one has ever been able to do
@Prologue well, if that’s true, then isn’t being able to do quads and the like, the complete package? They’re sportsmen, they can only go by the rules of the sport, I don’t feel like if you remove or add aspects to the sport over time, you can call new people worse because they haven’t mastered the rules as they were defined in the past, right?
@@911randompsp If he's going to skate like that at US Nationals, he's going to get more. And he is going to get more as he becomes older and wins more medals. But, of course, that's not the point.
Именно Юдзуру Ханю открыл мир в 4A. И именно Он сотворил историю, прыгнув первым на ОИ в 27 лет. В протоколе стоит именно так. Гений!
У ханю при всем моем уважении был выезд на 5 точке и это факт.
Первым прыгнул ЧИСТО Илья в рамках соревнований, а ханю засчитали попытку. Если судить так как судите вы то первым вообще был Дмитриев.
@@жертвапрокрастинации-м8ф Дмитриев прыгал на ОИ ? В каком году, не подскажите? А Илья пусть хоть сначала СС подтянет, а то как бы 4А прыгает, а остальное побоку. А то не видать ему "золота ". И даже с такими грибищами.
@@Hrom4eg причём тут ои? Вы просто несёте какой-то бред. Ханю хоть раз приземлил чисто 4а не считая тренировок?
@@жертвапрокрастинации-м8ф Лучше проспитесь или прочитайте мой первый коментарий.
@@Hrom4eg Ханю ничего не открывал,до него было море попыток преземлить 4а, а на ои он его не прыгнул.
Конечно в протоколах записан 4а, потому,что весь контент фиксируют если вы не знали,но он все равно не засчитан.
It's cool to see how judging has evolved. There is no way those first two jumps in the 1980s get ratified by today's standards. They are underrotated by at least a quarter. That doesn't take away anything from their accomplishments. they are still just as amazing attempts, and real trail blaizers
Justice for Boyang.
Most, including myself until today for me, don't know that the hardest quad jump which is quad axel has 4.5 revolutions to complete it. Ilia has to spin 4.5 times in the air and he does it effortlessly!😲
Теперь осталось дождаться пятерного прыжка. Уверена, кто-нибудь его прыгнет.
This video should be split up with first ever male quad jumps and first ever female. Women’s bodies are different so they do get there a little later but Trusova did five quads the same year Nathan Chen did, but didn’t even get gold. And no her technique was not awful. I saw everyone commenting that they were happy the Russians were not allowed to compete because they would rather see a clean triple than a messy quad, but bro, I was watching the highlights and even the doubles the women were doing were pretty bad. Forget technique, they were all stumbling and falling and fighting to land. When they land no one, and this is for men too, has more elegance in their landing positions than those Russian girls. And they almost always transition into something crazy right after their jumps as well.
Trusova's programme consisted of nothing more than jumps. It was not a real programme, it was just going from jump to jump with nothing in between. While Anna Scherbakova's programme was very beautiful and complete, as was Nathan Chen's. They were the right winners.
The problem of the Russian girls' skating is not the landing, but the pre-rotation. They are trained to do this and the biggest problem with it is that it's damaging for their bodies. That's why we rather see a clean triple by one of the Japanse women for example.
@@natasjacosteris6872 ah yes one of the Japanese women.....like Kaori’s 3/4 prerotated flutz?
Russian women land their quads better than these men, yet figure skating "fans" sh*t on these amazing women all the time and say "they're doing badly". No, they're not. They skate much cleaner than your male faves.
They all chose war but not sport.
@@НаталіяПетелько Right. These 15 year old girIs definitely decided to start a war. It was them and not erratic men. Blame teenage girls whenever you can, right?
Great! I love Ilia's quad Axel
Думаю, что Илья сможет сделать пятерной. Верю в него!
Do we know the first people to jump textbook 4F and 4Lz? And crazy jumps by Yuzu and Ilia. 4Lo looks awkward to jump but he landed it perfectly (I think the BV should be the same as flip or lutz, it seems to be the hardest quad outside of axel.) And Ilia jumping 4A is groundbreaking. Many deemed it impossible and he proved them wrong.
Nathan Chen landed the first textbook quad flip and Boyang Jin landed the first textbook quad lutz
@@waterphantom0424 thank you!
@@waterphantom0424 Shoma Uno landed the first ratified one but for me it looked badly cheating and the landing wasn't pretty. His 4F is better now but not as good Nathan's was.
What do you mean by textbook quad? It's either ratified or its not.
@@waterphantom0424 Yes, i was going to the say the first real quad lutz was landed by Boyang Jin.
Ilia doing the 4A for the first time at an empty arena seems so wrong for some reason
Nice! Can you do one for the women?
No because most of the “quads” are cheated af.
for cheated quads of Russians. No thanks
@@tambam6744 Most of the quads here are also cheated. You're both delusional and sexist to believe otherwise.
@@tambam6744 Half of these are too 😂
yes ! I would be super curious to see the same video but for women !
Flip should rightfully belong to Nathan Chen, considering Uno's entry is with a full blade assist.
As much as I love Shoma his quad flip should not be ratified with all that pre-rotation.
Ilia rotates at 4 1/2 this past weekend. Likely he will be the first to Quint!
У малинина довольно высокие прыжки. Правильной выход и приземление!
4А Ильи 85 см.Это не просто довольно высокий прыжок ,это официально самый высокий прыжок замеченный на соревнованиях
Yuzu❤
Uma 3F looks so Loop jumps and pre-rotation! But he deserved it with goes + ridiculous
All of them are incredible figure skaters, but Yuzuru Hanyu is above all. I cannot find words to describe my feelings when I watch him on ice. It's not only about hard work; it's about God-given talent! Genius!
can't believe that when i went to nationals earlier this year, ilia was only in junior. his axel is so pretty.
順番に見ていくとやはりと言うかマリニン選手のジャンプの到達点が抜きん出て高いな。全身バネのようなビヨーンという感じ
ilia's 4A is soooo impressive bc only he goes into the rotations when he's already well into the air
Shame on ISU, for 4F first certified to Shoma, a guy pre-rotation 270 degrees!
Kirt Browning landed the first quad! Everyone should know that!🇨🇦
Malinin reminds me so much of his mom in the way he jumps. Love her and her son.
I love the music you use for the transition between clips. I see you say the the music are called “Shave” and “Miami”, but do you have artist names? With just these titles I find it hard to search for them
Estoy segura de que si Ilia realmente haya aterrizado un 4A de manual, es decir el 4A ,puro sin prerotación, Massimiliano Ambesi, el mayor conocedor del patinaje artístico lo tendrá en su pagina, sigo esperando que lo publique...
Tu video es muy lindo, Ilia sobra, no está ratiificado ni comprobado que es un 4A puro.
Амбези истеричка фанатка дискредитировашая себя как журналиста.Предварительное вращение на акселе технически положено,потому что это реберный прыжок ,норма 90 градусов.У Ханю преротейшен больше 90 градусов,у Ильи меньше.Но как занимательно что преротейшен не акселе вы стали замечать только когда Илья прыгнул 4А.А как же вы не замечали преротейшен на акселях Ханю?Чем вы смотрели на его прыжки?
Si lo ratificaron. Y si quieres mira el de hoy en los Grand Prix finals. Es un salto enorme, no tenso para nada.
yes it was a textbook quad axel. crazy fanyu cope lmao
4F should be Nathan's. Whatever Shoma is doing, that is *not* a flip.
Of course the 1st 4Lz and 4F were landed by skaters with poor toe jump technique just shows how many ugly looking severely prerotated lutz and flip that we have today
Bitter
@@pedropelaez bitter for spilling facts? Nope I feel fine, it's there in ISU communication 2474 about poor take off deductions for severe prerotation. I guess reading as a new hobby?
@@yohanes2034 sure Jan.
@@yohanes2034 Unfortunately it only specifies 4T, so it leaves the matter of pre-rotation open to interpretation where it pertains to all other jumps. And considering the precedent ISU set, it's clear they don't really care to settle the matter.
@@Mica_T the exact word is like this
Poor take-off: For example a toe-assisted jump is taken off from the full blade, Toe Loop is executed like a Toe Axel or
there is excessive rotation on the ice at the take-off. The reduction in GOE is -1 to -3.
I think it's not only punishing toeloops as it starts with "toe assisted jumps" which means flip and lutz are included as well. The toe axel has been there in the ijs since the beginning and they added the "or" which is the full blade and excessive prerotation as example of poor take off. This is new.
Now regarding if judges will ever comply and apply this new rules is different matter entirely. We already know that they never do what they supposed to do. Like giving 9s to SS and TR for skaters with empty programs and mediocre skating. I bet it won't drastically change or maybe we'll see disparity of GOE given across judges for the same element because ISU has never punished corrupt judges
У Ильи есть и более красивое исполнение 4А.А Теперь он приземлил 6 квадов! Он великий парень и не надо говорить что у него только прыжки,он нормально катает по мужски а не вихляется как некоторые которым судьи ставят огромные баллы с тройными.Это нечестно для тех кто прыгает несколько квадов.
I'm sure Ilia will try 5T and 5Sal. Rotationswise they are close to 4Axel.
He won't. It's not in the code of points.
@@jamesyu5212 He already said he will. His dream is a 5Ltz
@@makaelaischillin he won't in competition. Even if he lands it he'll get zero points because it's not valid.
@@jamesyu5212 They will add that. Dont worry
@@jamesyu5212 They haven't added it as people thought they would be impossible. Soon it will be added.
If somebody did one in competition tomorrow, theyd just get the points for a quad. It won't be zero points, it'd be judged as overotated quad.
Me checking the comments to see all the Yuzu fans pretending to not be salty ;3
GIFTみましたか？評価しないですよねえ。羽生さんのショーGIFTの何がつまらなかったのですか。
its so funny! theyre trying so hard to feel unbothered lol
This is correct in the sense that it was performed, but strictly speaking, 4lz and 4f are the wrong way.
how the f does ilia make it look so easy
Good God, the quad jumping is so nice.
История фигурного катания❤, они первые❤❤❤❤
Why is Plushenko not included?
мужчинам от первого тулупа до первого флипа пришлось подождать 28 лет, а Александра Трусова исполнила флип всего через 1 год и 10 месяцев после тулупа
плюсом она тогда исполнила ещё и четверной сальхов вместе с тулупом (хоть и второй в истории среди женщин), что тоже контрастирует с мужчинами
у них сальхов был исполнен через 10 лет после тулупа, а Трусова исполнила сразу оба
Всё верно подмечено, но вы не упомянули, сколько мужчинам пришлось ждать, когда же женщина (девочка) исполнит свой первый четверной😉 И когда женщина (девочка) исполнит свой первый четверной аксель? Через сколько лет после первых тулупов? Странные у вас подсчёты, какая-то то гордость на ровном месте. Если надо было, то все четверные разучили бы за пару лет, вы вдумайтесь в смысл этих четверных. Тогда, в далёкие 80-е и даже недавние 00-е, в фигурном катании царила красота над техникой и была другая система подсчётов. Мужчины не стремились исполнить как можно больше четверных, тогда их мало кто делал, да и конкуренция была другой и разные были школы, своё лобби. Вопрос не стоял кто первым исполнит все четверные, это сейчас идёт гонка четверных. Тогда были недокруты в прыжках, грязные выезды, не те рёбра, судьи без техники не могли всё это увидеть и зафиксировать, поэтому спортсмены не делали уклон в техническую часть и не стремились побыстрее выполнить все четверные прыжки. Да и банально это не так дорого оценивалось специалистами, а за падения снималось много баллов! Есть обратная сторона четверных прыжков, из-за них женское катание превратилось в девичье, потому что полученные травмы не позволяют дальше продолжать карьеру и прыгать такие прыжки могут только юные спортсменки с небольшим весом (в основном это так). Так что ваша гордость за быстрое освоение четверных прыжков просто не терпит никакой конструктивной критики.
Tara Lipinski won olympics at age 15 and No-one claiming we need age limits because Lipinski was WESTERN WORLD WHITE Skater! If no talent males men like Yuzuru Hanyu and Ilya Malinin can do and try quad axel 4,5 round rotation then ladies can jump quads jumps easily! Men skate 10% faster than top ladies and men jump 17% higher and longer than top ladies! So we formula 1/2mv2=mgh and we get top ladies can jump 3,8-4 round rotation easily! There are over 200xtimes More girls figure skaters than no talent Boys skaters! We should have 40-50 women doing quads easily! STOP This Lie lame trash crap probaganda against women and Russians!!
The height of some of these is amazing, isn’t it?
2:21 3.25Floop
TCC🤷
2:04 FOR IMMUUUUUUUUUUNE!
Elvis Stojko never gets the respect! He was the first to land a quad combo in competition.
Wow.. i cant imagine how hard it is to do a quad axel.. like, even a single axel is so difficult for me!
ARGH! Tripple Lutz 6.0 - Tripple Axel 8.5 (2.5 points more) and then Quad Lutz 11.5 - Quad Axel 12.5 (only 1 point more) - how is that fair?!!?! It shoud give 15 points!!!!
羽生選手が挑戦すると言ったら15点から下げらたのです。羽生選手のメダルを阻止する為にルールを次から次へと変えました。それが ISUと言う組織です。
What's the differences between the letters
I am waiting for the 5. Nike needs to make some bouncy skates.
Hello.... The ISU certified Yuzuru's 2022 Olympic 4A jump in the competition.
He attempted a 4A. It was double footed, underrotated and he fell. So it was not ratified.
certified isn't a thing.
@Prologue falling on a jump doesn’t qualify for the first person to land a jump.
@Prologue if we’re just talking about people having 4A on their protocols, Arthur was first.
그는 프로토콜에서도 랜딩도 최초가 아닙니다
Ilia es 👌 con tan solo 19 años lo logro uyy espero verlo en el mundial
4Sはゲーブルが最初だったんだ。知らなかった。意外と結構最近なんだな。ムロズの時に4Lz時代は来なかったけど、ボーヤンやネイサンで一気にクワド多種時代になってからの男子の時代の進み方が早すぎる。ついにはマリニンくんが4A含めたクワド全部入りのコンプリート構成を試合で成功させてしまうのをみれるかも。人間の肉体的限界は5回転らしいけど今後さらに時代が進めば生きているうちにいつかみれるかも知れないと思えてきた。すごい時代だ。
What's the difference between all of them?
Первый 4А на соревнованиях засчитан Ханю!
Когда? На Олимпиаде 2022 Юдзуру упал при выполнении акселя. Вы правда считаете, что прыжок с падением может считаться выполненным?
When? At the 2022 Olympics, Yuzuru fell while doing the Axel. Do you really think that a jump with a fall can be considered completed?
Юдзуру по читерской технике прыгать не захотел. Поэтому, его Аксель прыгать сложнее.
@@СветланаФочкина Young skaters only think about how to jump. They don't care whether they use cheating technique or clean technique. It is so sad. It depends on someone's character.
@@donadwaritangkudung9338 Да, это грустно.
@@donadwaritangkudung9338 These young kids have coach. Their coach didn't teach/correct them...
what is the diffence about it??? The matter is who is the most interesting. Today figure skating is not interesting generally, even if these spotsmen would make this jump in twine
The way Ilia's skates it's 4A is accepted by ISU today - judges let go "pre-rotate", also, they don't judge on non-proper use of toe-pick, blade, and edge. I don't want to be specific to him - many skaters do their 3A while not follow the Axel jump definition - take off left forward outside edge. Look at other videos posted by this channel. Check out how Kamila, Yuzuru, Kihira did their 3A (or Yuzuru's 4A). Jason Brown has a good video about all 6 different jumps. Ilia's left leg/foot skate much simpler/shorter (in distance) and slower compared to other top skaters. Basically, he skid his left blade, then do a stretch after his right leg/foot had a powerful kick/forward rotation. Look at the height of his right leg/foot when he is about to take off - is it realistic? Compared to other skater's 3A - in what condition, ones right leg/foot can lift that high if one have activities on their both leg/feet? For Axel jump, one need to skate forward (with right leg/foot follow behind) toward outside on their left foot until take off, and right leg/foot start forward rotation. When it gets to take off, most of time, you just have left toe-pick touch the ice. And next moment, left foot blade would have a big angle change (that's the result if one continue have force on their left leg/foot). Please do a study on how to do Axel jump by videos or graph, or at least "edge jump"). Don't just do "surface" work. Why Axel jump is so hard? 1) Take off forward (note: it's not just facing forward. Left foot/leg need to skate forward. 2) Because both leg/foot has some activities when take off, one need to have good synchronization of both leg's activities. If only one leg play a major role, the other leg just play a very minor role, what's the difficulty?
It was well within the 1/2 pre rotation allowed. He is the first.
@@swimbod21 : I like his powerful 4.5 rotation (or close) in the air. Twist of his body to get the number of rotation needs is not easy! Even Brian Orser said he has good balance. It's born. Not trained! Amazing!
Prerotations on axels are unavoidable because of the forward take off.
The 'skid' on the Axel has always been considered normal Axel technique. The reason he can do the 4A is because he has such good technique - the huge step up. The fact that you sight Valieva as an example of good Axel technique is laughable. She doesn't step up and uses the little girl wrap method. And the fact you try to complain about prerotation with regards to Ilia's great jump tehnique instead of Shoma's masively pre-rotated 4F makes me think you're a salty Fanyu
@@benbailey159bb : I don't see them often among top skaters, neither seen them in any videos teach people how to do 'Axel' - it could be allowable but not textbook style. For example, Nathan Chen. I saw his video attempt 4A. Similar to Yuzuru's 4A attempt. Not skid type. Check out his 3A. There are some good videos on RUclips about best triple Axel jump. Look for those. As I said, Jason Brown did pretty good 3A too. BTW, I am not a salty Fanyu. I praised all good skills from good skaters.
They all look the same to me but of course I don’t know crap about figure skating 😅 beautiful sport.
y'all...WHY DO THESE ALL LOOK THE SAME TO ME?! why cant i tell the different between a 4LZ and a 4S and a 4T or ANY of them?? Other than the 4A being 4.5 spins, they're all jumping, spinning four times, and landing. Someone please explain bc my brain hurts
Can someone explain the difference between all of these? As someone who knows nothing about this. All I see is someone spinning 4 times?
Pon la velocidad de reproducción del video a 0.5 y observa la posición de los patines antes del salto, eso es lo que define el nombre de cada uno y el sentido en el que se hacen las rotaciones. Aún no me aprendo específicamente cada uno, pero se que el Lutz es un salto de picada, el pie derecho debe picar el hielo, mirando hacia adelante y de ahí a 4.5 rotaciones antes de pisar de nuevo el hielo en un sólo pie, sin esfuerzo y con equilibrio, puedo citar este por ejemplo ya que me fascina este salto loco, al igual que el triple axel de Hanyu Yuzuru.
Illia man
yuzuru jamps perfect
Да, как писали в комментах, первый 4й аксель сделал Ханю, почему же мы видим в видео Малинина?
У Ханю засчитана попытка приземления,а не приземление.Он недокрутил прыжок и упал с него.А Малинин приземлил в докрут
2:04 MUUUUUUUUU
4A landed by gen Z 😅
4F as well
Can someone explain what each notation means?
@divineYuzu no they meant 4t, 4a etc
Such a talented skater yet didn’t even make to 2022 Olympics, why?
because he was barely just a senior skater and usually an inconsistent mess. give him time, he's just 17 and he will go and kill it in 2026
@@overgrownkudzu Yup, and he bombed his FS at Worlds.
May be Cos Nathan Chen doesn't like the competition?)))
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Давайте такое же видео только про девочек!!!!
what do the letters mean?
@seimei9659 oh thanks!
I don’t watch skating and I can’t see a difference between all of these can somebody explain
So, I am a figure skating fan...so I can figure out what your abbreviations mean...but not everyone can...you should edit and write what jump each individual landed...regardless if these abbreviations are in the title.
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ilia has no landed 6 quads in a run.
Good video but everyone knows that yuzuru was the first to do a 4A in a 3n competition the Olympics
Yes, but he landed it on 2 feet and got like -5 GOE
I really wanted him to do a clean tripple but this man has every title out there. He didn't give a damn about winning without the 4A
Yuzu NEVER LANDED A QUAD AXEL.....
@Origin You Hanyu fans are delusional. There was no certification for Hanyu's Quad Axel in the Olympics. I will say that is the best one I ever saw him do, buy the first certified one was from Malinin...
@@paolo1391 since everyone is ignoring your weird ass tantrum Imma acknowledge you and ask. Is everything ok at home? 🤡
@@paolo1391 what are you talking about? Yuzuru's 4A in the Olympics was certified, he just didn't get full points for it because he didn't do it perfectly, but it wasn't downgraded to 3A
Nathan Chen should get credit for the quad flip first as Shoma UNO’s was massively cheated on takeoff and his technique is so subpar
I believe Michael Weiss was the first to land a quadruple, was he not? He's not even mentioned here. Check out Michael Weiss.
can someone explain to me the difference of all this?? im sorry this is my first time learning abt figure skating and they look all pretty the same to me
They do look really similar but it's the entrance of the jump that makes them all different its kinda hard to explain the difference between then all but hopefully that helped even though it's no much
@@Jdkdudnemdodh oh i see! after u mentioned it i noticed they did smth before they jumped and every one was different from the other. it was insightful information, thank u!
And where is Jozef Sabovcik. I think he first landed quaddruple jump in 1986...