Crosby, Stills, and Nash On Their Drug Usage | The Big Interview

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  • Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
  • Graham Nash opens up about his special bond with Cass Elliot of The Mamas & the Papas, drug usage, and hear firsthand from Crosby, Stills, and Nash about the profound moments that sparked their musical journey.
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  • @DiveHD
    @DiveHD Месяц назад +68

    Nash is 82 now. In the interview he says he's 71. An 11 year old interview released 18 hours ago. Still works!

    • @mmgreen31
      @mmgreen31 Месяц назад +5

      Yes considering that neither nash or young were on speaking terms with Crosby not long after, it was good to see the original line up together. Only Stills ended up friendly with all the others.

    • @blueguitar411
      @blueguitar411 Месяц назад +5

      I think this was recorded before Stills got his hearing aid situation figured out -- his speech sounds like someone who can't even hear himself. He has sounded much better in the intervening years.

    • @melodymakermark
      @melodymakermark Месяц назад +2

      @blueguitar411, off topic but didn’t Stills go back to grade school or thereabouts with Don Felder? Seems like Stills was the one who convinced Felder to move to California. Don I think even subbed for C, S or N on some gigs when one was ill or something. I’m pulling from a Felder interview I once watched but my details are sketchy maybe.

    • @brookswade5774
      @brookswade5774 Месяц назад

      @@melodymakermarkWe’ll see if anyone answers but I must have seen that same interview with Don Felder. I lean toward your statement being correct.

    • @steveprudell9976
      @steveprudell9976 Месяц назад +2

      Love these Guys .great job on interview.

  • @bestcoversever4875
    @bestcoversever4875 6 дней назад +1

    I HAVE BEEN IN CHARMED LISTENING AND SEEING THESE GREATS MUSICIANS, I WOULD LIKE TO BE THERE WHEN THEY PLAYED TOGETHER THE FIRST TIME , WOW I BELIEVE WAS WONDERFUL TIME. THANK FOR SHARING I HAVE ENYOYED THIS BEAUTIFUL INTERVIEW

  • @overjoyous
    @overjoyous Месяц назад +19

    I could hear these guys talk about their lives for hours. I really don't think this video needed a click baity title to garner views.

  • @MarkSmith-vy3tq
    @MarkSmith-vy3tq Месяц назад +52

    The title is clickbait. You hear a miniscule bit of content on drug use in the first 90 seconds--and only from Nash--then it's about how they all met. Odd thing is, it was interesting to hear how they met and (in my opinion) didn't require a title topic that is equivalent of putting bait on a hook to catch a fish.

    • @almerhaagsma7236
      @almerhaagsma7236 29 дней назад +4

      100% agree!

    • @margietalk
      @margietalk 15 дней назад

      i am smiling mark and all i can think is the fact they cannot agree on the single most important happenstance in their lives! sounds a lot like drugs to me. hilarious. besides, the bait worked and here we are. fun interview.

    • @bestcoversever4875
      @bestcoversever4875 6 дней назад

      I agree with your opinion

  • @twhelostl61
    @twhelostl61 Месяц назад +6

    The talented musicians that existed back when I was a gradeschool kid during the early 70s. That period was epic. CSNY were a folk/rock group. Hendrix came and went by 1970. Zeppelin, Cream, Doors, Airplane were just the tip of the iceberg then. I listen to all of the music from this era and I am 9 yrs old again. Still get chills listening to Joni Mitchell, Clapton and the others were mezmerized by her gift.

  • @sitindogmas
    @sitindogmas Месяц назад +14

    all i know is its awsome to see these guys together !
    ✌️💚

  • @rogerthompson1622
    @rogerthompson1622 Месяц назад +10

    Masters of harmony !

  • @waynehauser3611
    @waynehauser3611 Месяц назад +12

    so much pure talent, right there !

  • @leonard2880
    @leonard2880 Месяц назад +5

    The best harmony there ever was or will be 💞

  • @corybarnes2341
    @corybarnes2341 Месяц назад +5

    Sadly you can walk down main street of any little town now and find some young person whose drug use is way more intense and insane than any of these 60's rock stars, whose drug use everyone still talks about.

  • @snoopywalker1881
    @snoopywalker1881 19 дней назад +3

    Love their music. THe rest is superfluous

  • @jefffixesit60
    @jefffixesit60 Месяц назад +28

    I guess they didn’t think alcohol was a drug, but they all drank like fish before 1968. I’ve used alcohol, cannabis, LSD, mushrooms, mescaline, cocaine, Valium, methamphetamine, Quaaludes, and many others: of all of those, I consider alcohol to be the most addicting and life-destroying. I’m happily sober for more than 30 years. 😄

    • @4465Vman
      @4465Vman Месяц назад +4

      no doubt alcohol is the most destructive drug in the world...Ironic because its legal and socially condonced!!

    • @jerry-st7rc
      @jerry-st7rc Месяц назад

      Meth is definitely way worse than alcohol. It so much more nuerotoxic.

    • @brageboogie
      @brageboogie 28 дней назад +2

      I believe the one reason alcohol is the most dangerous is because it's "safe". Culturally safe, that is. Your superego doesn't object to it like with other substances, it's associated with food, history etc.

    • @4465Vman
      @4465Vman 28 дней назад +1

      exactly!!!!!!!!!!

    • @4465Vman
      @4465Vman 28 дней назад

      @@brageboogie yup...socially condoned

  • @ricksegal3065
    @ricksegal3065 Месяц назад +12

    Loved the band and Dan Rather's interviews.

  • @patfisher6210
    @patfisher6210 Месяц назад +9

    They never let Stephen Stills get a word in edgewise about his former bandmate Neil Young and he's the one who brought Neil into the band

    • @kerrypickens8594
      @kerrypickens8594 29 дней назад +1

      I saw Neil Young in concert and it was the worst concert I have ever been to. It was obvious he did not like performing. Playing in a band with the other members probably brought out the best in him, but he is a jerk.

    • @MrTavis1
      @MrTavis1 2 дня назад

      @@kerrypickens8594You know him personally? 😂😂

  • @sidoughty428
    @sidoughty428 Месяц назад +12

    These guys produced sublime music 🎶

  • @joevet4308
    @joevet4308 Месяц назад +7

    When did drug use start? It starts with alcohol in 99.9% of cases.

  • @siriosstar4789
    @siriosstar4789 Месяц назад +5

    i'm absolutely sure i currently dont know anything .
    there was a time when i was absolutely sure about everything but that was when i had a memory .

  • @413TomaccoRoad
    @413TomaccoRoad Месяц назад +9

    We all have our own experiences- not truths. Truth remains the same.

    • @martyhopkirk6826
      @martyhopkirk6826 Месяц назад +1

      Well said. I was thinking exactly the same.

    • @413TomaccoRoad
      @413TomaccoRoad Месяц назад

      @@MouthBreatherGaming Rationalize what?

    • @TomTomicMic
      @TomTomicMic Месяц назад

      Never ask druggies their memories!?!

  • @robfilardo
    @robfilardo Месяц назад +4

    This isn’t ’about their drug use’.theres about 60 seconds where Graham talks about drugs at the very beginning. Misleading click bait title

  • @dougww1ectebow
    @dougww1ectebow Месяц назад +5

    It cracks me up that after all these years, they still disagree on when they first met and sang together.

    • @halweiss8671
      @halweiss8671 Месяц назад

      They didn’t know that is was going to be significant, at the time.

    • @dougww1ectebow
      @dougww1ectebow Месяц назад

      @@halweiss8671 no I think it was the drugs

    • @halweiss8671
      @halweiss8671 Месяц назад

      @@dougww1ectebow I was trying to be kind.

    • @jebstewart666
      @jebstewart666 Месяц назад

      i think it is just the old friends experience. friday i got together with several old friends from 30+ yrs back and after going through the current stories of where we were at we drifted into when we first all met and none of us could agree, all erupting into loud laughter and great hugs. was a wonderful evening. just glad to still have old friends.

    • @dougww1ectebow
      @dougww1ectebow Месяц назад

      @@jebstewart666 I maintain my position that it is the drugs they were using at the time. Even they have verbalized that in other interviews.

  • @WeGachaMetal
    @WeGachaMetal 28 дней назад +1

    As a teenager I snuck into the Record Plant in 1990 when CSN were working on an album there. Nash autographed an old newspaper for me. They were still partying at that point but I’m sure it was nothing compared to the era 20 years before!

  • @danwebb4418
    @danwebb4418 Месяц назад +8

    Crosby, Stills and Hash..

  • @a.abeyta6237
    @a.abeyta6237 Месяц назад +1

    Stills, Nash and Santa!!!! I'm loving that crazy Kringle!

  • @billphipps453
    @billphipps453 24 дня назад +1

    why is everyone so focussed on drugs ?
    and everyone saying they sucked ?
    they, separately and togrther, made some of hhe best music of our time.
    they should be thanked and celebrated .
    their music will be listened to 420 years from now...

  • @F1Slunk
    @F1Slunk Месяц назад +4

    Little dig there at the end from Crosby.

  • @terrybarkovich5356
    @terrybarkovich5356 Месяц назад +12

    They cant remember because like my grama says "They were all pumped up on that pot shit"

    • @MouthBreatherGaming
      @MouthBreatherGaming Месяц назад +2

      Perfect!

    • @jebstewart666
      @jebstewart666 Месяц назад

      funny, now at my age, i can barely remember yesterday, but i can remember those smoky memories of youth as clearly as i see the screen i am typing on. weird.
      i do recall all my grandparents and even my parents seeming to have the same experience---and they were pretty much back woods teetotalers. i am sure there is some science to explain that.

    • @MouthBreatherGaming
      @MouthBreatherGaming Месяц назад

      @@jebstewart666 Jeb - Step away from the bong, my mang. That'll be enough 'talking around' things for tonight.

    • @jebstewart666
      @jebstewart666 Месяц назад

      @@MouthBreatherGaming lol, not sure your age, but i kid you not, some 20 yrs ago, somewhere in my mid 40s, i realized i was always stoned! and i stepped away from the bong and i have been in bliss ever since. toss in old age and what a blast!
      love you, mean it, peace!

    • @ronniewoodinsteadofmt2615
      @ronniewoodinsteadofmt2615 18 дней назад

      @@jebstewart666 If I could toast both of you I would . Classic . Not that anyone cares . I’m 61 and (almost cut my hair) is in my top 5 all time songs .!! Take care later . Joey in Pennsylvania.

  • @tressinar
    @tressinar Месяц назад +1

    Follow your passions is the best advice ever.😊

  • @210078
    @210078 Месяц назад +5

    Awesome...

  • @nylesfrench3568
    @nylesfrench3568 Месяц назад +2

    Started smoking dope but Alcohol is always 1st in way shape or form

  • @rhizomorph-music
    @rhizomorph-music Месяц назад +3

    But Stephen... how much LSD was being used at the time...? That can jumble memories pretty good!

  • @delphinazizumbo8674
    @delphinazizumbo8674 Месяц назад +3

    three guys who can't get over how EASY Neil Young makes music look
    they were NEVER happy that Neil could write and play and FINISH a tune in A DAY, while they tooled around for MONTHS finishing six tunes

    • @4465Vman
      @4465Vman Месяц назад

      source?

    • @delphinazizumbo8674
      @delphinazizumbo8674 Месяц назад

      @@4465Vman all of their autobiographies

    • @rallabhandiprabhakar4750
      @rallabhandiprabhakar4750 28 дней назад

      Neil young can be great or he can never terrible . As a guitarist , I prefer Stills . As a song writer he is the best in CSNY . As singers , they all were great but Crosby and Nash were superb harmony singers while Stills and Young were very good lead singers

  • @robertpincus6528
    @robertpincus6528 Месяц назад

    My friend, Dave, and I have completely different recollections of where we first met.

  • @Terp311
    @Terp311 Месяц назад +1

    1:25 what a story! What people do for drugs.

  • @bobbyloglisci494
    @bobbyloglisci494 Месяц назад +6

    Mr. Rather and production crew: You MUST make sure your guests 10:41 10:43 are hydrated to avoid the dry mouth sounds! At times it’s distracting.❤

    • @Anthony-hu3rj
      @Anthony-hu3rj Месяц назад +8

      I don't hear it. Stills has a speech impediment caused by lifelong hearing loss. Is that what bothered you?

  • @robbyrob0723
    @robbyrob0723 7 дней назад +1

    Crosby's Pills & Hash

  • @billtharp3374
    @billtharp3374 Месяц назад

    They created an amazing sound. In this, they could just be seniors arguing about dates and laugh to ease tension because it doesn’t matter. Not a point to cause acrimony and pick sides.

  • @leighstewart7089
    @leighstewart7089 Месяц назад +1

    The only truth l care about is the sublime music they made

  • @Wayzor_
    @Wayzor_ Месяц назад +1

    Owsley changed the world.

  • @jeffreyhunt1727
    @jeffreyhunt1727 26 дней назад +1

    It started with alcohol, not marijuana. Alcohol is one of the deadliest and most addictive drugs.

  • @bbernard1981
    @bbernard1981 Месяц назад

    Holy cow I thought it was the Presidential debate at first. How old are these guys?

  • @2112CO
    @2112CO Месяц назад +3

    And Young!

    • @papagreenemusic
      @papagreenemusic 28 дней назад

      This interview was with Crosby, Stills & Nash.
      Young didn't appear, so it would be incorrect to list him in the heading.

  • @slimzimm1031
    @slimzimm1031 Месяц назад +1

    Dope!

  • @hermanhelmich
    @hermanhelmich Месяц назад +2

    Truth is elusive even when we’re all present in the same scene

  • @Cheezclown
    @Cheezclown Месяц назад +5

    Can’t remember if it was Joni or Cass? Christ, bless them both, but Joni and Cass are two very different looking women. Stephen did too much drugs…

    • @Anthony-hu3rj
      @Anthony-hu3rj Месяц назад +1

      Why would you believe one man over the other?

  • @gwwayner
    @gwwayner Месяц назад +2

    And what do we have today? Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift whose music, to quote David Crosby 'about as deep as a bird-bath'.

    • @markstevenson6635
      @markstevenson6635 Месяц назад +1

      The Archies' "Sugar Sugar" was a giant hit back then. The pool has always had varying depths.

  • @UURevival
    @UURevival Месяц назад +2

    Drug use didn't being with alcohol? That's hard to believe.

    • @markstevenson6635
      @markstevenson6635 Месяц назад

      Consider the possibility that they were speaking only of illegal substances.

    • @UURevival
      @UURevival Месяц назад

      @@markstevenson6635 That's the point.

  • @robrussell5329
    @robrussell5329 Месяц назад +4

    To me it was never all four. It was CSN +Y. Even this interview is three. The "magic" discovered that night at Cass Elliot's house was their unique three part harmony, which lsoon became their iconic first album. Deja Vu had none of that.

    • @gloriousleader3203
      @gloriousleader3203 Месяц назад +5

      Deja Vu is the best album any of those 4 ever made. The first album is a masterpiece, but deja Vu is perfect.

    • @nickkaley33
      @nickkaley33 Месяц назад

      Absolutely

  • @anthonyromeo4600
    @anthonyromeo4600 Месяц назад +2

    You've got to be kidding me that it's a gateway drug. Isn't alcohol a gateway to most things, but that term gateway, it's like the word drug that's used to explain fungi...😂🙄

  • @Wildlonesome77
    @Wildlonesome77 Месяц назад

    Crosby's work far surpassed his contemporaries once he got clean.

  • @carterseeley1738
    @carterseeley1738 27 дней назад +1

    Alcohol leads to blow

  • @jonleeman1
    @jonleeman1 Месяц назад

    Title change...Crosby Stills Nash and Young on how the collaboration started

  • @davidlaskiewicz4963
    @davidlaskiewicz4963 26 дней назад

    I’ve said cannabis is a stepping stone to hard narcotics.

  • @oughtssought1198
    @oughtssought1198 Месяц назад +1

    okay. nice vid
    but why the click bait title.
    "they" don't talk about that
    one does a little bit at the beginning
    the least interesting of the 3 to hear talk about it

  • @marcmaschal2897
    @marcmaschal2897 Месяц назад

    Why is Dan Rather considered the one to do these interviews with these huge old rock stars ?

  • @richardkatz8713
    @richardkatz8713 2 дня назад

    Drug use usually starts with alcohol and cigarettes

  • @user-xl5np5dp8n
    @user-xl5np5dp8n 26 дней назад

    Nash is unique.

  • @93Jubilee
    @93Jubilee Месяц назад +1

    I thought Rather was better than this. But to imply that marijuana lead to hard drugs is pretty bad.

  • @reresimone4300
    @reresimone4300 Месяц назад +1

    addicts talking about addiction. sad but true. i know, i am too. only difference is i m 21 years clean. so far

  • @Grace-oz7ub
    @Grace-oz7ub 17 дней назад

    LEARY....STILLS...HENDRIX....YOU CAN BE ANYTHING THIS TIME AROUND???
    DONT REMEMBER WHERE I READ THAT.
    CORRECT ME .ADD ON.I LOVE ALL YOU

  • @fw1421
    @fw1421 Месяц назад +1

    Crosby was an amazing musician. Sadly he alienated his band mates in his later years.

  • @richardhawkins4621
    @richardhawkins4621 Месяц назад +4

    They made one classic album deju voo and then a lot of average stuff i liked teach your children

  • @larrydanadavid2435
    @larrydanadavid2435 Месяц назад +2

    Ted Nugent says Wango Tango

  • @Nautilus1972
    @Nautilus1972 Месяц назад +1

    Cannabis doesn’t “lead” to anything.

  • @wanderingwildman7861
    @wanderingwildman7861 Месяц назад

    While the dealer was still dead?

  • @413TomaccoRoad
    @413TomaccoRoad Месяц назад +1

    How'd they get Stills and Nash to sit down with Crosby? How old is this?

    • @spicy321
      @spicy321 Месяц назад +5

      Graham says he’s 71 here so it’s around 2013.

  • @fenner4117
    @fenner4117 Месяц назад

    great interview - but don't expect to hear anything about their drug usage.

  • @Aivopiirakka
    @Aivopiirakka Месяц назад

    1:39 what did he say? Something like: "...and stole the pink slit bat for the mercedes..."

  • @tanstaafl1963
    @tanstaafl1963 Месяц назад +5

    Different stories..
    And drugs were involved.. 😂

  • @rafaelcortezify
    @rafaelcortezify Месяц назад +1

    “I never thought I would die from snorting cocaine”
    Ha ha ha
    Yeah, the heart blowing rush does not feel like it could blow out your heart.

  • @rodneydelboy6910
    @rodneydelboy6910 25 дней назад

    Alchohol makes you try anything i used to smoke weed and think it's just as bad as alchohol if you consume it daily

  • @wolfman3295
    @wolfman3295 Месяц назад

    It's so strange that Dan Rather is having these interviews. And I really didn't like that he started with asking Graham about drug use.

  • @iam57yearsold
    @iam57yearsold Месяц назад

    I’d go with graham’s version.

  • @pierrelalonde3705
    @pierrelalonde3705 Месяц назад +3

    Drug waste too bad

  • @jamesgerrardbrown5169
    @jamesgerrardbrown5169 19 дней назад

    .... I almost cut my hair....

  • @hicks727
    @hicks727 Месяц назад

    stephen stills memory is shot. Jack Kennedy?

  • @olafruckelshausen5911
    @olafruckelshausen5911 Месяц назад

    must have been 2013. I always thought they had been at serious odds in that time. Even bewaring from contact...?

    • @cubscraig
      @cubscraig Месяц назад

      I saw what I believe was one of their final shows and that was October 2014. I think they played about 6 of 7 more shows and then never played together again

  • @Kacee2
    @Kacee2 Месяц назад

    Did so many drugs that they can't remember or agree on anything. That tells me that you can't believe anything they say.

  • @sharkmentality9717
    @sharkmentality9717 27 дней назад

    Should drug addicts be allowed to receive transplanted organs? What if your money beats other people on the waiting list.

  • @professorg1440
    @professorg1440 Месяц назад

    These guys were basically finished by 1974. 50 years later...😏

  • @rsohlich1
    @rsohlich1 27 дней назад

    Pot doesnt lead to anythings. Its your choice. Have some personal responsibility.

  • @dogpaw775
    @dogpaw775 24 дня назад

    odd, i 've smoked whacky baccy and i didn't progress to 'charlie', had the opportunity, just didn't like it or its effect. gateway drugs?, pah ! it's ego or lack of it.

  • @jackmalvern2394
    @jackmalvern2394 Месяц назад

    Stills claims he was intimidated by Joni and didn't want to sing in front of her... thus his Cass memory. But who knows for sure?

  • @vinniekay0967
    @vinniekay0967 Месяц назад

    Only know his name and some of their music ofcourse.. But this man to me, seems a truthfull and open person. But ofcourse i could be wrong..😅

  • @ImHavingaCoronary
    @ImHavingaCoronary Месяц назад +1

    Would have been nice to hear from the good member of the band.

  • @deborahedwards160
    @deborahedwards160 8 дней назад

    I'd bet sugar caffeine and tobacco came first then weed then everything and anything.

  • @markkershenblatt
    @markkershenblatt Месяц назад +3

    Cats have 9 lives. David Crosby has 9 livers.

    • @erickchurch5390
      @erickchurch5390 Месяц назад +4

      He has no livers at present due to the fact that he is currently dead.

    • @reresimone4300
      @reresimone4300 Месяц назад

      @@markkershenblatt had...

  • @DrSweat
    @DrSweat Месяц назад +1

    David Crosby was a huge A hole!

    • @rongreen8962
      @rongreen8962 Месяц назад

      I think he acknowledged that.

  • @JacobWilliams-hh9pq
    @JacobWilliams-hh9pq Месяц назад +1

    Why the first guy sound just like trump

  • @justicegusting2476
    @justicegusting2476 Месяц назад +1

    3 dope heads can’t get their story straight.

  • @soupystevesguitarartsextra3697
    @soupystevesguitarartsextra3697 Месяц назад +2

    Sorry, ,, weed doesn’t lead to Cocaine ,,,, lol. Been smoking weed for 40 years , still only smoking weed.. Weed leads to Dorittoes,, donuts, snack foods. If you get some good stuff on the right day, , some fun off the wall humour. And music.
    Of coarse if you have someone pass you stuff on a silver plater , in a mansion, with a glass of Dom ,,,, and Caviar, and everyone around you is doing it like it’s normal. You might be inclined to do it.

    • @scotthubbert
      @scotthubbert Месяц назад +1

      I’m not surprised that the Davy Jones of classic rock would talk like marijuana is a gateway drug. What a tool

  • @rodriguez63
    @rodriguez63 25 дней назад

    What`s for sure is that a LOT of Marijuana was involved in how this started 😅

  • @michaelhasenstein721
    @michaelhasenstein721 Месяц назад

    The Drug Generation, forever soiled by their obsession.

    • @hirampriggott1689
      @hirampriggott1689 Месяц назад

      That's what the 1960's were all about.

    • @4465Vman
      @4465Vman Месяц назад

      um actually their parents generation was completely addicted to alcohol, uppers downer and cigarettes...MDS prescribed upper and downers like candy in the fifties , sixties ...alcohol has ruined more lives caused more deadly assaults , deadly car wrecks, overdoses, short mediocre lives than all the other drugs combined many many times over.....all that happened in the 60s after the birth control pill is people didnt hide it anymore, grew their hair and wore whatever clothes they wanted to !!

  • @Earthstein
    @Earthstein Месяц назад

    Dan 'I'd" Rather not tell the truth. ---No thanks

  • @briangarrett6510
    @briangarrett6510 Месяц назад +1

    Crosby was a POS. Luckiest guy in rock and roll history. Minimal talent carried by geniuses like McGuinn and Stills in two different bands

    • @hirampriggott1689
      @hirampriggott1689 Месяц назад

      opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one.

    • @4465Vman
      @4465Vman Месяц назад

      minimal talent??? lol!!

  • @pmmahone1
    @pmmahone1 29 дней назад

    Dan Rather stinks at interviewing- I wanted to hear more about Stephen Stills, and Dan cut him off.

  • @pamusso1466
    @pamusso1466 Месяц назад +1

    Stills is drunk as a skunk.

    • @MYEVILTWIIN
      @MYEVILTWIIN Месяц назад +6

      He’s deaf and said back in the mid 70’s if he continued playing he’d go deaf and if you look close he’s wearing hearing aids , that’s what a deaf person sounds like when speaking

  • @KemalDirican-f2o
    @KemalDirican-f2o 3 часа назад

    Hall Jeffrey Lewis John Perez Scott

  • @jamesgerrardbrown5169
    @jamesgerrardbrown5169 19 дней назад

    Bollox

  • @tdolz
    @tdolz Месяц назад +20

    So it IS a gateway drug.

  • @timhall3575
    @timhall3575 Месяц назад

    Between the 3 of 'em they had a complete goatee beard at this point! Impressive! If Neil had bothered turning up they'd have had a complete full beard!