@@daraghokane4236 That show has its own more serious episodes, or serious topics, whether the actual episode had the sillier things, or not. I see what you’re saying, especially with Bruce and his friendships, within the show. He’s truly protecting the planet, universe, or other dimensions, with a myriad of great characters. I just think TAS is more grounded, so it’s just easier to take seriously, for most people.
I think the most painful thing in all of this is just how untrusting he becomes in Batman Beyond. When we know he has the potential to be this good, it honestly hurts more to see him return to his self destructive nature in Batman Beyond
If it was all written in the order they occurred I'm certain he'd be different. Or we'd at least see what happened that made him regress. I'm willing to blame what Joker did to Tim.
That's how I felt about too, sad to see his character arc of isolation to trust only to end up alone, trapped in his cave. The Batfamily either estranged or outright despised him, cut himself off from his friends in JL, even his old paramours abandoned him
Batman sitting down with Ace and holding her hand is why this is the best Batman, oh sure other versions have great stories but that is his mission. To save kids from suffering. Sure beating up or scaring crooks can keep kids safe but that's just a means to that end.
Sometimes being Batman isn’t about beating up or scaring a bad guy, or solving a mystery. Sometimes it’s just being there for someone at their highest and lowest points, for example, sitting next to and comforting a dying girl because she’s scared. When you strip everything away from Batman, you’re left with a good man that just doesn’t wanna see anyone else have to die.
God, the scene in Phantasm where Bruce begs his parents to stop his crusade "because it doesn't hurt as much anymore" breaks my heart every time. Conroy da GOAT
One reason why I always loved the idea of him with Diana. He wouldn't have to stop fighting crime as Batman, but could learn to do it in more healthy ways and with the JL as a whole learn to balance his time as Batman and Bruce better (because he'd no longer be the ONE person to solve all the world's problems).
Batman always had such a tender heart throughout the DCAU, which is part of why he got such a big family in the Bat Family and the JL. He always did what he did not just for justice, but to help and save others from ending up like him. And that's what made his final battle with the Joker a loss. Tim might have stopped the Joker, but what the Joker did ultimately isolated Batman's heart from everyone, making him end up alone. He still fought crime, but he hardly had anyone. It wasn't until Terry came along he could open himself up again, as Terry inherited Batman's heart, but also showed how one can be Batman, suffer tragedy, but not lose yourself to it.
I like the arc that batman goes through during the dcau from optimist (btas), jaded cynic who doesn't feel anything (tnba), to learning to care again (justice league), then returning back to cold, apathetic recluse (batman beyond) before ending the series in epilogue as somewhere in the middle (not quite an optimist but not quite a cold robot)
We don't know if Batman Beyond is necessarily the Canon Timeline cause the whole Time Travel stuff that happened, I doubt that Bruce would make the same mistakes that led to him being who he is in the Beyond Universe.
@@mandalorianhunter1 That doesn't mean it's Canon at all, since originally the Timeline had numerous Leaguers dead due to the Watchtower being destroyed but that's later not the case with Leaguers being stated to and appearing in the Beyond Universe thereafter. There's 2 Timelines, 1 is the Original Timeline and the other is the Alternate Timeline, Epilogue is the Original TImeline's Ending with whatever happened afterwards in the Alternate Timeline left to history. Batman of course wouldn't make the same mistakes as before. Oh yeah, not to mention that Static and TNAS Batman's Time Travel in Static Shock also likely muddied things up Timeline wise.
Pretty sure Beyond 100% canon considering the ending of JLU. It’s a single timeline. Bruce also doesn’t know how Old Bruce got to be how he is & he wouldn’t want to know. As for these deaths people have mentioned, think they just retconned all that but kept the destruction of the Watchtower
I heard this somewhere, but basically someone wrote that if the version of Batman that you're writing can't comfort a child who's scared, then what you're writing is not batman. JLU Batman is such a good Batman because I can see him comforting a child.
I love this version of Batman because of how connected with everyone he is. They feel like his friends who he's shown to be protect and respectful of their personal secrets. I don't think I'll ever forget the Ace scene of him just comforting and being with her until the end.
One of my favorite versions of Batman. Kevin Conroy never fails and he will be missed dearly. I love a lot of characters in the DCAU, my favorite version of Superman, John Stewart and Lex Luther along with Joker.
While the idea of Batman breaking from the JL I think would’ve fit better with the later version in Beyond, him having loving and caring friends and allies and yet despite all that he still became an old bitter man living alone in his mansion is even more tragic.
@@daraghokane4236The posession seemed very recent though, I think they're just some of the heroes that lasted the longest while others might have retired or died
I absolutely enjoy your essays on the DCAU and how it allows us to enjoy a pure vision of what superheroes are supposed to be in their idealized state. Thank you.
Your comment comes off as sarcastic with the tone swap in absolutely enjoy, its like saying I completely tolerate, the adjective is overpowering the verb
He's my favorite animated version of the character. The writers handled his character in such a deeply interesting way & everything was well thoughtout.
Even down to the small stuff like that scene where batman has to order a coffee, or when he agrees to go to Flash's award ceremony with no hesitation are among the top of the millions of reasons why this batman is my favorite
When Kevin Conroy passed I remember watching a video that highlighted how much humanity was a central trait for Batman’s and how much he brought that out. It’s dead on.
@@daraghokane4236If he distrusted them explicitly, sure. But let me give you an image: Flash goes rogue. Superman is fast enough to at least keep up, Lantern likely could restrain him if need be, and there are two fliers on the team, plus J'onn brain blast. Lantern: Superman can outmuscle him for long enough for someone else to clock him hard enough to knock him out, also J'onn. Wonder Woman: Superman is stronger and sometimes faster, so she can be restrained, also J'onn. Hawkgirl: use Superman again. Also J'onn. J'onn is the hard one. Despite the writing teams' claims he is weak to fire he seems more weak to electrical attacks, so maybe shock batarangs/the Clayface taser, but otherwise might need some contingency work just in case. Issue is J'onn could read his mind, so best solution would be an AI on the batcomputer simulating possible solutions. Superman: Kryptonite. If Batman trusts that the odds of the rest of the team all falling at once are low, he generally has teammates who can restrain each other to hopefully give time to snap the one who has lost it out of it. Superman is so strong that he needs a backup plan, and J'onn his best bet is to not personally know the plan anyways, plus it never really comes up as a major thing without other factors like magic being involved that one time. Essentially, he already has a backup plan for most of the original 7: the rest of the original 7. Superman is just a bit too durable to be able to restrain, so Batman keeps a weakening agent on him just in case. He has tools to potentially disable J'onn for a time, and the rest of the league it's just a matter of hoping to have one heavy hitter/J'onn around to knock them out.
JLU Batman was vastly different from other iterations of the character, but he is one I wish was explored more. He goes in a very different direction then other versions, and becomes a much more trusting, and healthy person. And I love the idea of a healing Batman. You can see it in Batman: Wayne Family Adventures, how he’s changed, becoming less reclusive, more social, SMILING MORE, realizing his mistakes and how weird he is, and I just love that for the character.
The DCAU was really something special, the love for the characters and for Superheroes being Superheroes, there is a reason it and the versions of the heroes it created has endured and I hope will continue to endure. This is the Batman that made many of us fall in love with the character, and this is the template for him that should be drawn upon more often, the Batman that cares to see the picture beyond himself, beyond his mission, beyond his own worst instincts.
I met and became friends with Kevin Conroy shortly before he passed. Maybe 2 years before. He was so warm and genuine. He was my childhood hero, my Batman, and lastly my friend.
JLU Bats has his moments where he almost resembles pre-Crisis Earth 2 Batman, kind of more personable and chivalrous. Not all the time, obviously, but there are little moments here and there. It also pops up a couple times in BTAS. I guess the DCAU Batman more broadly shows us that you really can have it all. The noir stories of the Englehart, the pulp adventure of O’Neil, and the warm almost paternal nature the character had with his daughter and adopted son all those years ago.
I would give anything to have a show like this crop up today. It almost feels imopssible, with how cheeky and self-depricating superhero media is today, but hopefully an earnest, honest current can re-enter the culture around it, and we can have another gem. Until then, I can always rewatch JLU.
I love Batman's arc throughout the DCAU, especially because of the tragic ending that is Batman Beyond. I think there's a good video you could do about the patterns there. This is a Batman who breaks all the rules of Batman, who rejects the dark and comes into the light. And he still ends up in the same place as almost every other Old Bruce. That end point has never been about the Justice League, has never been about the other heroes, has never been about him opening up. That end point is not because of who he is as a man, so even when the man changes, it doesn't mean that will. That end point is caused by who he is as a father. And that's where DCAU Batman didn't change a thing. He's still the General, still the man with good soldiers more than family, and even in JLU, that's what he is for them too. Although he learned to be a person, he never stopped being his first soldier. And so, he still burns every bridge with his family, he still lets them down, and he still ends up alone and rotting because it's not his super friends who force him to not wither away in old age, it's his kids. And he lost them. And he only recovers because of his son. Waller figured out what to give the man who has everything, and wasn't even trying to: family. Terry is the first son he's forced to recognize as a person, not a soldier. It's only when he's forced to be a father more than a commander does he finally become able to heal.
I know people tend to give the Terry being Bruce's secret son reveal a lot of crap, but I think it works not as a reward to Terry, but for Bruce. Though I doubt he'd ever admit it, Terry is the best thing that ever happened to Bruce. Despite their rocky start Bruce and Terry managed to keep a relatively comfortable and caring relationship, which allowed Bruce to heal and come across old friends and mend the fences with them. By the end of the DCAU, Bruce can rest knowing that Terry will continue his legacy, enjoy the time with his remaining loved ones while he still can, and probably live long enough to meet his grandchildren. A true happy ending for the first Dark Knight.
Never thought about it much, but DCAU Batman has the best smile out of any other. Something about it just feels so pure, especially with Superman here 6:44
The writers of these shows knew exactly what they were doing with Batman & all of em. I love these versions of the characters. The static shock gun episode still gets me
I just noticed a small detail! At 4:34, you can see Superman has his arms held above his cape. While at 5:32, you can see Justice Lords Superman with his hands underneath his cape! Really cool seeing that subtle detail show how the two are different!
I also loved this version of Oliver Queen and im so glad you includes him. He and Batman are very similar, and Ollie, as someone without powers, points out that the JL IS scary to regular people. Because what CAN they do if Superman goes rogue? Superman is a good man and he is, at his core, kind, but the average human doesnt know that. I loved that this Oliver, from the very beginning, was grounded, realistic, and a voice of reason. We dont even need to know his backstory as a rich boy that learned some self reliance and humility after surviving alone on a deserted island. The small comments Ollie and his friends make TELLS us that, and based on his intro in the 1st episode, we are not surprised but relieved to see Ollie saying the tough but fair stuff. Ollie and Batman are the voices of the average people in this, and they help remind the JL that the JL needs to be a part of the people to properly protect them. I just love this Batman and JL so much because they have so much care for the world, people, narrative, and the heroes as individuals that we just dont see much anymore in superhero stuff. Okay, long ramble over, sorry thank you for this great video bye!
Those who can do, those who can’t manage. - Scott Adams Sure Batman can do a lot in the league, but him being there for characters is probably his best trait in the show.
He actually does this in Young Justice, he splits off from the Justice League and makes a secret Justice League that works in shadow. However, it's not for the reasons he would have done it in JLU, he did it because he felt there should always be heroes who can work behind the scenes while Superman, Wonder Woman, and all the other flashy heroes draw in the media attention. Basically, Batman realized if the 'Light' was going to be working from the shadows, he and a secret league needed to be able to do the same. Unless, of course, I am not remembering it correctly.
No, you've got it right! The justice league got too caught up on the politics of everything and couldn't actually be heroes anymore, so Batman splintered off to actually fight bad guys
I just love so much that your channel exists. That someone exists to talk about this universe. Imo this is the best DC universe there has ever been and probably ever will be, So much good stuff to go over in these shows.
These videos is what really pushed me to rewatch the JLU series. It's been my definitive version of not only Batman but every character featured since childhood and it reminds me why I love them and the superhero genre...
I'm going to be honest, your videos have given me so much insight of almost all corners of dc as a whole, and has compelled me to look into different comics and dc comics in general. I thank you for introducing me to these characters, and what it means to dream.
This is my Batman. Any Batman without this hope, without this love that JLU Batman had... I don't see it as fully Batman. It missed such a key part of why he's seen as one of the greatest heroes, of why he's in the justice league, of why Superman loves, respects, looks up to, and idolizes him to some extent. DC doesn't make sense without his heart at the core of Batman.
Every time I watch ur DCAU videos it brings me so much nostalgia from when I was a kid watching these on Saturday mornings. I’m back to watching the DCAU because of u. These videos remind me of the awe I felt seeing all these heroes together and just how much it meant to me that they really tried to flesh out these characters. Always remember these shows being good but watching them again I’m so glad they hold up! Thanks for your videos dude always excited to see a new one pop up!!!
Thank you for this video. I actually got me to tear up. I grew up with the JLU cartoons and it's the reason why Batman and Wonder Woman are my favourites. So many great life lessons from those characters.
I like to imagine that the Batman in JLU who meets his future self will turn out less alone in his old age. Cuz they are different with Batman Beyond Bruce stating he has no memory of ever meeting his future self
@@IHateThisCommunity Yes, but that version of Old Bruce might still have remembered, because from his perspective it would've still already happened. Even if he ceases to exist "after", that version of him may have experienced the events.
This makes me think back to the finale of Season 2 and Walker’s Batman Beyond Project. It’s honestly a terrible irony that she nearly replicated Bruce’s childhood for Terry, something even she addresses. I mean, maintaining the existence of a great superhero by repeating the tragedy they went through for an innocent kid who should be enjoying the very peace that hero fought for? However, I can’t argue with the results even if it was misfortune that led to Terry losing his dad. Bruce became distant to both his Bat Family and the Justice League. He didn’t really seem to have anyone besides Ace before Terry showed up. What would Neo Gotham be like if there wasn’t a new Batman?
Spellbinder would probably be leeching off of people till he gets sloppy. I feel he'd do well robbing people. Powers would still be alive, so I guess it would just get worse. Bis negative influence would definitely allow for more corruption to spread. Also the worst possible fate would occur for earth Staro has better odds of succeeding in his plan. Overall it would be bad for everyone, I just thought of a few scenarios.
However, there's something you might not have considered. Waller's "experiment" could have just easily produced a vengeful Supervillain ( or mass shooter at most). The idea was very ill-thought out and it's only by the way of good luck ( plus Terry's parents being in his life & being decent people before Powers killed Terry's dad). Seriously, things could have gone sideways very fast and Waller as well as Andrea having a big hand in causing a potential disaster.
@@seeleunit2000 Let’s say though that the plan worked and Terry grew up to become a superhero for the same reasons as Bruce. How different of a hero is he going to be? For one thing, there’s no reason for him to ever meet Bruce. So goodbye resources and personal trainer. Waller could solve the first problem, but who she gets to handle the second is really going to be important. I highly doubt she’ll ask Bruce because he’s blind to realize how eerily similar Terry’s story is to his own. There are plenty of heroes to choose from the Justice League, but she points out how Batman is different from both the meta humans and non-power heroes.
DCAU Batman is, in my opinion, the greatest version of the character ever written. It’s also the version that we as viewers spend the most time with across four different series. Batman The Animated Series, Justice League, Justice League Unlimited, and Batman Beyond. We see that while he is a paranoid recluse, he also possesses a great capacity for compassion and trust. I loved the relationship between Wonder Woman and Batman, I think it’s a duo that doesn’t really get explored to this degree elsewhere, but it was one of my favorite aspects of the entire JL show. It’s a shame that he never got to be together with Wonder Woman, as evident by Batman Beyond. Because I really think Wonder Woman is the perfect match for Batman as a character. She’s light and he’s dark, he sees the worst in people and she sees the best, and she has a way of bringing out his happy side. To me that pairing is much more interesting that something predictable like Wonder Woman and Superman together.
What makes the change of Bruce from JLU to Batman Beyond so tragic is that there's an event that we can assume caused him to split off from the Justice League and become more of a loner in his older age. And that was when Tim Drake getting kidnapped by the Joker.
God damnit why was this era just stopped because of toys, it was perfect for the streaming era with such small ongoing teams but with such great quality in quantity. God bless the people who made it for us.
Originally I liked Arkham Batman the most out of all the versions of Batman and thought that he represented the character well but now I can’t help but love DCAU Batman. While not perfect he has smth certain interpretations of Batman don’t have and thats warmth.
It's incredible how easy you write AND edit these video essays in a timely manner with such quality. I could barely make my essay deadlines during my time in uni
Batman is the greatest detective in the world. He can look at a crime scene or a person and know exactly what needs to be done to get answers. This doesn't just mean he's smart. It means he understands people. You can't know what motivates people without knowing people. In an organization like the Justice League, Batman would be a broody older brother. Knowingly not perfect, but seen enough to know how to compensate for his own failings and the failings of others. It is the #1 thing all of Hollywood doesn't understand about Batman. He is not just a rich guy who punches people with money. His strength is not what makes him interesting. Never has been. It was always his ability to think, to work out obscure problems, find solutions where nobody can find one, and to use his presence to make thee villains all ask "Is this really worth it?"
JLU flash and batman are the best versions in non comic media They have very strong moments of compassion and your line about heroes is right What's a super hero with out a heart? super human
On the Tower of Babel thing: Surely the others knowing of the existence of the plans would severely cripple their efficacy right? Like if a psychic like Psymon were to be involved, he could scour their minds, and upon finding out that they know Batman has the contingencies, make taking out Batman and probably destroying the Batcave, Watchtower, Wayne Tech, GCPD, etc the priority situation
As somebody who misses the relative optimism of early 2000s superheroes, I would love to see a story involving a Batman that learns how to trust again after suffering a painful loss. A story that can speak to readers new and old about breaking out of self-isolation, breaking the cycle of self-sabotage and the need to blame yourself for everything, and learning how to hold the mantle of Batman in a more public light. Perhaps a way to visually show where he is emotionally would be through his costume. Starting with a nearly all-black costume that leaves little "man" visible, and gradually recovering into something closer to his more colorful costumes of the past. Blue and light grey with a yellow oval around the black bat. Perhaps a fair bit darker than the Adam West costume, showing that he is not nor will he ever be fully healed, but that he's made and will continue to make attempts to better himself despite the emotional scars he holds.
The JL:AS is possibly the best interpretation of the members. like heroes of literature, for their flaws, they do inspire those who hear their stories.
This is the one Batman I actually believe stopping in a diner at the middle of the night, get out of the car, get ahead in line at shout "GIVE ME A TRIPLE! NOW!!!"
Love how you come up with these essays to justify dipping your feet into the waters of your true dream: becoming an anime music video channel for superhero cartoons!
Beautiful vid bro. You make us all remember why these characters mean so much to us. I'd love to see you do such breakdown for both the Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes show and Wolverine and the X-men show too if you can.
Part of what makes animated batman so good compared to his live action counterparts is that he walks the streets instead of flying above them. If he sees trouble, he acts for the people he sees being hurt, not because of the crime. In the end, that's what sets him apart from the live action versions, they are about vengence, he is about helping those his has sworn to protect.
The batman has a great heart remember the one time he used his bare hands to dig when he thought his friends were trapped under debris. Or that other times he had to sing to save wonderwomen. Yup batman is a super hero because of his heart.
Was talking about this with my friends yesterday. JLU Batman is the most earnest and trusting version of the character ever conceived.
Brave and the bold was, it was silly but he didn't know he was being goofy he was serious when he said nothing is more fun then fighting crime.
Yes for being accurate at the same time
What u seen like 2 batman series lol hes been more warm in a lot of sereis
@@daraghokane4236
That show has its own more serious episodes, or serious topics, whether the actual episode had the sillier things, or not.
I see what you’re saying, especially with Bruce and his friendships, within the show. He’s truly protecting the planet, universe, or other dimensions, with a myriad of great characters.
I just think TAS is more grounded, so it’s just easier to take seriously, for most people.
@@all9472 - Exactly... this guy has never watched *Batman: The Brave and the Bold* , or *Justice League: Action* ?
I think the most painful thing in all of this is just how untrusting he becomes in Batman Beyond. When we know he has the potential to be this good, it honestly hurts more to see him return to his self destructive nature in Batman Beyond
If it was all written in the order they occurred I'm certain he'd be different. Or we'd at least see what happened that made him regress. I'm willing to blame what Joker did to Tim.
That's how I felt about too, sad to see his character arc of isolation to trust only to end up alone, trapped in his cave. The Batfamily either estranged or outright despised him, cut himself off from his friends in JL, even his old paramours abandoned him
@@i.r.raharjo8706 they didn't abandon him, they moved on. He couldn't stop being Batman.
@@Deaganus true, Talia would've been the only one to still want to be with him, but we know how that turned out
I like to think there's a chance that because he met his future self he changed so that timeline never happened
Batman sitting down with Ace and holding her hand is why this is the best Batman, oh sure other versions have great stories but that is his mission. To save kids from suffering. Sure beating up or scaring crooks can keep kids safe but that's just a means to that end.
that has to be, if not the greatest, then at least one of the most transcendent Batman moments of all time.
@@anandbenegal AGREED!
Wise man once said if your batman can’t comfort a child on their deathbed then its just the punisher with a funny hat.
Sometimes being Batman isn’t about beating up or scaring a bad guy, or solving a mystery. Sometimes it’s just being there for someone at their highest and lowest points, for example, sitting next to and comforting a dying girl because she’s scared. When you strip everything away from Batman, you’re left with a good man that just doesn’t wanna see anyone else have to die.
Makes me wonder who he named his dog after. Bruce always had trouble letting go.
God, the scene in Phantasm where Bruce begs his parents to stop his crusade "because it doesn't hurt as much anymore" breaks my heart every time. Conroy da GOAT
Best Batman movie to date.
UTRH is equal if not better imo@@AhkymBrizzy
@@theauthor6669 It’s definitely on my top 5 as well.
One reason why I always loved the idea of him with Diana. He wouldn't have to stop fighting crime as Batman, but could learn to do it in more healthy ways and with the JL as a whole learn to balance his time as Batman and Bruce better (because he'd no longer be the ONE person to solve all the world's problems).
Batman always had such a tender heart throughout the DCAU, which is part of why he got such a big family in the Bat Family and the JL. He always did what he did not just for justice, but to help and save others from ending up like him. And that's what made his final battle with the Joker a loss. Tim might have stopped the Joker, but what the Joker did ultimately isolated Batman's heart from everyone, making him end up alone. He still fought crime, but he hardly had anyone. It wasn't until Terry came along he could open himself up again, as Terry inherited Batman's heart, but also showed how one can be Batman, suffer tragedy, but not lose yourself to it.
Hes always warm hearted in any good adaptions just more paranoid in some hes never a cold character
The more you have, the more you have to lose
RIP Kevin Conroy
Yeah its crazy how the most open hearted version of batman is the one who turns out into old alone batman of batman beyond.
I like the arc that batman goes through during the dcau from optimist (btas), jaded cynic who doesn't feel anything (tnba), to learning to care again (justice league), then returning back to cold, apathetic recluse (batman beyond) before ending the series in epilogue as somewhere in the middle (not quite an optimist but not quite a cold robot)
We don't know if Batman Beyond is necessarily the Canon Timeline cause the whole Time Travel stuff that happened, I doubt that Bruce would make the same mistakes that led to him being who he is in the Beyond Universe.
@@maylabrown4584 it kinda is canon because if that were the case Epilogue wouldn't have been made to show his heart.
@@mandalorianhunter1 That doesn't mean it's Canon at all, since originally the Timeline had numerous Leaguers dead due to the Watchtower being destroyed but that's later not the case with Leaguers being stated to and appearing in the Beyond Universe thereafter.
There's 2 Timelines, 1 is the Original Timeline and the other is the Alternate Timeline, Epilogue is the Original TImeline's Ending with whatever happened afterwards in the Alternate Timeline left to history. Batman of course wouldn't make the same mistakes as before.
Oh yeah, not to mention that Static and TNAS Batman's Time Travel in Static Shock also likely muddied things up Timeline wise.
@@maylabrown4584 where did you get that numerous leaguers were dead but then not happen?
Pretty sure Beyond 100% canon considering the ending of JLU. It’s a single timeline. Bruce also doesn’t know how Old Bruce got to be how he is & he wouldn’t want to know. As for these deaths people have mentioned, think they just retconned all that but kept the destruction of the Watchtower
As Lego Batman put it, "it's my job to prepare for the best the world can throw at me, but I also prepare for a _friend in need."_
I heard this somewhere, but basically someone wrote that if the version of Batman that you're writing can't comfort a child who's scared, then what you're writing is not batman.
JLU Batman is such a good Batman because I can see him comforting a child.
I'm pretty sure JLU Batman and specifically the scene of him staying with Ace until she died is what most people are referencing when they say that.
This is exactly what sold me on, *small spoiler* "The Batman." He went from Vengeance, to someone a child doesn't want to let go of by the end .
Arkham Knight comforting a child by ensuring their parents who can barely afford rent have to pay medical bills for their broken ribcages
I love this version of Batman because of how connected with everyone he is. They feel like his friends who he's shown to be protect and respectful of their personal secrets. I don't think I'll ever forget the Ace scene of him just comforting and being with her until the end.
One of my favorite versions of Batman.
Kevin Conroy never fails and he will be missed dearly.
I love a lot of characters in the DCAU, my favorite version of Superman, John Stewart and Lex Luther along with Joker.
Yes with all of those
DCeU had a good template to build on and failed
@@Akinwalesegun yeah
Man, the Joker being afraid of the IRS when he's a known murderer. That killed me 🤣
@@travis5732 yes me too
While the idea of Batman breaking from the JL I think would’ve fit better with the later version in Beyond, him having loving and caring friends and allies and yet despite all that he still became an old bitter man living alone in his mansion is even more tragic.
Superman in the future gets possesed by a physic star fish Lex becomes President, Im guessing flash dies Im sure that would be hard to deal with
@@daraghokane4236The posession seemed very recent though, I think they're just some of the heroes that lasted the longest while others might have retired or died
Joker and Tim happened. 😢
They used it for Young Justice.
I absolutely enjoy your essays on the DCAU and how it allows us to enjoy a pure vision of what superheroes are supposed to be in their idealized state. Thank you.
Bif fan of pretentious Eurotrash, huh?
Your comment comes off as sarcastic with the tone swap in absolutely enjoy, its like saying I completely tolerate, the adjective is overpowering the verb
@@Jiub_SN I didn't mean to come off as sarcastic. I meant to imply sincerity.
He's my favorite animated version of the character. The writers handled his character in such a deeply interesting way & everything was well thoughtout.
Even down to the small stuff like that scene where batman has to order a coffee, or when he agrees to go to Flash's award ceremony with no hesitation are among the top of the millions of reasons why this batman is my favorite
When Kevin Conroy passed I remember watching a video that highlighted how much humanity was a central trait for Batman’s and how much he brought that out. It’s dead on.
It just hit me JLU Batman doesn’t having any contingency plans besides that one kryptonite
Hawkgirl had the plans, I think after justice lords he should have
@@daraghokane4236If he distrusted them explicitly, sure. But let me give you an image: Flash goes rogue. Superman is fast enough to at least keep up, Lantern likely could restrain him if need be, and there are two fliers on the team, plus J'onn brain blast. Lantern: Superman can outmuscle him for long enough for someone else to clock him hard enough to knock him out, also J'onn. Wonder Woman: Superman is stronger and sometimes faster, so she can be restrained, also J'onn. Hawkgirl: use Superman again. Also J'onn. J'onn is the hard one. Despite the writing teams' claims he is weak to fire he seems more weak to electrical attacks, so maybe shock batarangs/the Clayface taser, but otherwise might need some contingency work just in case. Issue is J'onn could read his mind, so best solution would be an AI on the batcomputer simulating possible solutions. Superman: Kryptonite. If Batman trusts that the odds of the rest of the team all falling at once are low, he generally has teammates who can restrain each other to hopefully give time to snap the one who has lost it out of it. Superman is so strong that he needs a backup plan, and J'onn his best bet is to not personally know the plan anyways, plus it never really comes up as a major thing without other factors like magic being involved that one time. Essentially, he already has a backup plan for most of the original 7: the rest of the original 7. Superman is just a bit too durable to be able to restrain, so Batman keeps a weakening agent on him just in case. He has tools to potentially disable J'onn for a time, and the rest of the league it's just a matter of hoping to have one heavy hitter/J'onn around to knock them out.
None that we KNEW of 💀
Because cadmus was the contingency
That was enough...
JLU Batman was vastly different from other iterations of the character, but he is one I wish was explored more. He goes in a very different direction then other versions, and becomes a much more trusting, and healthy person. And I love the idea of a healing Batman. You can see it in Batman: Wayne Family Adventures, how he’s changed, becoming less reclusive, more social, SMILING MORE, realizing his mistakes and how weird he is, and I just love that for the character.
The DCAU was really something special, the love for the characters and for Superheroes being Superheroes, there is a reason it and the versions of the heroes it created has endured and I hope will continue to endure.
This is the Batman that made many of us fall in love with the character, and this is the template for him that should be drawn upon more often, the Batman that cares to see the picture beyond himself, beyond his mission, beyond his own worst instincts.
I met and became friends with Kevin Conroy shortly before he passed. Maybe 2 years before. He was so warm and genuine. He was my childhood hero, my Batman, and lastly my friend.
JLU Bats has his moments where he almost resembles pre-Crisis Earth 2 Batman, kind of more personable and chivalrous. Not all the time, obviously, but there are little moments here and there. It also pops up a couple times in BTAS. I guess the DCAU Batman more broadly shows us that you really can have it all. The noir stories of the Englehart, the pulp adventure of O’Neil, and the warm almost paternal nature the character had with his daughter and adopted son all those years ago.
Fuck, I still automatically cry when I even SEE Ace sit down on that swing
Thank you Kevin Conroy for being an absolute legend and the best Batman!
The true Batman
This guy has made some amazing short documentaries. I'm always impressed with his work.
I would give anything to have a show like this crop up today. It almost feels imopssible, with how cheeky and self-depricating superhero media is today, but hopefully an earnest, honest current can re-enter the culture around it, and we can have another gem. Until then, I can always rewatch JLU.
I love Batman's arc throughout the DCAU, especially because of the tragic ending that is Batman Beyond. I think there's a good video you could do about the patterns there. This is a Batman who breaks all the rules of Batman, who rejects the dark and comes into the light. And he still ends up in the same place as almost every other Old Bruce. That end point has never been about the Justice League, has never been about the other heroes, has never been about him opening up. That end point is not because of who he is as a man, so even when the man changes, it doesn't mean that will. That end point is caused by who he is as a father. And that's where DCAU Batman didn't change a thing. He's still the General, still the man with good soldiers more than family, and even in JLU, that's what he is for them too. Although he learned to be a person, he never stopped being his first soldier. And so, he still burns every bridge with his family, he still lets them down, and he still ends up alone and rotting because it's not his super friends who force him to not wither away in old age, it's his kids. And he lost them. And he only recovers because of his son. Waller figured out what to give the man who has everything, and wasn't even trying to: family. Terry is the first son he's forced to recognize as a person, not a soldier. It's only when he's forced to be a father more than a commander does he finally become able to heal.
This sounds amazing. I would definitely watch this!! Hopefully we get to see a version or this one soon
@@charlesmitchell1516 Thanks! I would love to see him use this idea, I absolutely love this channel and this mode of thinking.
I know people tend to give the Terry being Bruce's secret son reveal a lot of crap, but I think it works not as a reward to Terry, but for Bruce. Though I doubt he'd ever admit it, Terry is the best thing that ever happened to Bruce. Despite their rocky start Bruce and Terry managed to keep a relatively comfortable and caring relationship, which allowed Bruce to heal and come across old friends and mend the fences with them. By the end of the DCAU, Bruce can rest knowing that Terry will continue his legacy, enjoy the time with his remaining loved ones while he still can, and probably live long enough to meet his grandchildren. A true happy ending for the first Dark Knight.
What A LEGENDARY Character!!!!!
R.I.P Kevin Conroy 🕊️Thanks For Bringing Life Into This Magnificent Man We All Love So Much! 💯
Never thought about it much, but DCAU Batman has the best smile out of any other. Something about it just feels so pure, especially with Superman here 6:44
Please continue making essays about the DCAU! There’s so much good stuff and it doesn’t get talked about nearly enough online
The writers of these shows knew exactly what they were doing with Batman & all of em. I love these versions of the characters. The static shock gun episode still gets me
I just noticed a small detail! At 4:34, you can see Superman has his arms held above his cape. While at 5:32, you can see Justice Lords Superman with his hands underneath his cape!
Really cool seeing that subtle detail show how the two are different!
I also loved this version of Oliver Queen and im so glad you includes him. He and Batman are very similar, and Ollie, as someone without powers, points out that the JL IS scary to regular people. Because what CAN they do if Superman goes rogue? Superman is a good man and he is, at his core, kind, but the average human doesnt know that. I loved that this Oliver, from the very beginning, was grounded, realistic, and a voice of reason. We dont even need to know his backstory as a rich boy that learned some self reliance and humility after surviving alone on a deserted island. The small comments Ollie and his friends make TELLS us that, and based on his intro in the 1st episode, we are not surprised but relieved to see Ollie saying the tough but fair stuff. Ollie and Batman are the voices of the average people in this, and they help remind the JL that the JL needs to be a part of the people to properly protect them. I just love this Batman and JL so much because they have so much care for the world, people, narrative, and the heroes as individuals that we just dont see much anymore in superhero stuff.
Okay, long ramble over, sorry thank you for this great video bye!
Rest in Power Kevin Conroy the definitive voice of Batman
back in the day when you had writers that actually cared about their work and wanted to tell a good story with characters we could root for
Those who can do, those who can’t manage. - Scott Adams
Sure Batman can do a lot in the league, but him being there for characters is probably his best trait in the show.
Absolutely my favorite DC version of Batman. His commitment, ideals and love were great! Thanks for these. I started rewatching episodes with my kids.
Wow man what an accomplishment this Channel is.
As a die hard DCAU fan, thank god there’s still content being made for us.
He actually does this in Young Justice, he splits off from the Justice League and makes a secret Justice League that works in shadow. However, it's not for the reasons he would have done it in JLU, he did it because he felt there should always be heroes who can work behind the scenes while Superman, Wonder Woman, and all the other flashy heroes draw in the media attention. Basically, Batman realized if the 'Light' was going to be working from the shadows, he and a secret league needed to be able to do the same.
Unless, of course, I am not remembering it correctly.
No, you've got it right! The justice league got too caught up on the politics of everything and couldn't actually be heroes anymore, so Batman splintered off to actually fight bad guys
6:52 and the way his faith spreads and is reflected back at him too. That arm does nothing to stop Diana, but Bruce’s faith does.
I just love so much that your channel exists. That someone exists to talk about this universe.
Imo this is the best DC universe there has ever been and probably ever will be, So much good stuff to go over in these shows.
These videos is what really pushed me to rewatch the JLU series. It's been my definitive version of not only Batman but every character featured since childhood and it reminds me why I love them and the superhero genre...
I'm going to be honest, your videos have given me so much insight of almost all corners of dc as a whole, and has compelled me to look into different comics and dc comics in general. I thank you for introducing me to these characters, and what it means to dream.
This is my Batman. Any Batman without this hope, without this love that JLU Batman had... I don't see it as fully Batman. It missed such a key part of why he's seen as one of the greatest heroes, of why he's in the justice league, of why Superman loves, respects, looks up to, and idolizes him to some extent. DC doesn't make sense without his heart at the core of Batman.
He is the most compassionate hero.
Every time I watch ur DCAU videos it brings me so much nostalgia from when I was a kid watching these on Saturday mornings. I’m back to watching the DCAU because of u. These videos remind me of the awe I felt seeing all these heroes together and just how much it meant to me that they really tried to flesh out these characters. Always remember these shows being good but watching them again I’m so glad they hold up! Thanks for your videos dude always excited to see a new one pop up!!!
Thank you for this video. I actually got me to tear up. I grew up with the JLU cartoons and it's the reason why Batman and Wonder Woman are my favourites. So many great life lessons from those characters.
"JLU Batman: the happiest man alive."
Tim Drake:😶
JLU Batman is slightly different from BTAS Batman and Batman Beyond Batman.
thanks man the bits of Ace and Bats on the swings killed me as usual
MY GUY! I JUST WANTED TO LISTEN TO SOMETHING WHILE HANGING MY LAUNDRY, NOT CRY FROM THIS MASTERPIECE!!!😭
This is why Batman is and forever will be my Favorite hero.
It's great seeing Dwayne McDuffie. I miss that man.
JLU Batman’s relationship with the other JLU members is what carries the whole show
AND THAT'S WHY HE'S THE GOAT
THE GOAT!!!!
He's GOATED
Greatest
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I like to imagine that the Batman in JLU who meets his future self will turn out less alone in his old age. Cuz they are different with Batman Beyond Bruce stating he has no memory of ever meeting his future self
Unless he was lying, to protect the timeline. With Batman, that kind of forethought is always a possibility.
@@RaptorJesusIt’s not possible, as the timeline he is from was erased in that very same two parter.
@@IHateThisCommunity Yes, but that version of Old Bruce might still have remembered, because from his perspective it would've still already happened. Even if he ceases to exist "after", that version of him may have experienced the events.
This makes me think back to the finale of Season 2 and Walker’s Batman Beyond Project. It’s honestly a terrible irony that she nearly replicated Bruce’s childhood for Terry, something even she addresses. I mean, maintaining the existence of a great superhero by repeating the tragedy they went through for an innocent kid who should be enjoying the very peace that hero fought for?
However, I can’t argue with the results even if it was misfortune that led to Terry losing his dad. Bruce became distant to both his Bat Family and the Justice League. He didn’t really seem to have anyone besides Ace before Terry showed up. What would Neo Gotham be like if there wasn’t a new Batman?
Spellbinder would probably be leeching off of people till he gets sloppy. I feel he'd do well robbing people.
Powers would still be alive, so I guess it would just get worse. Bis negative influence would definitely allow for more corruption to spread.
Also the worst possible fate would occur for earth Staro has better odds of succeeding in his plan.
Overall it would be bad for everyone, I just thought of a few scenarios.
However, there's something you might not have considered. Waller's "experiment" could have just easily produced a vengeful Supervillain ( or mass shooter at most).
The idea was very ill-thought out and it's only by the way of good luck ( plus Terry's parents being in his life & being decent people before Powers killed Terry's dad).
Seriously, things could have gone sideways very fast and Waller as well as Andrea having a big hand in causing a potential disaster.
@@seeleunit2000 Let’s say though that the plan worked and Terry grew up to become a superhero for the same reasons as Bruce. How different of a hero is he going to be? For one thing, there’s no reason for him to ever meet Bruce. So goodbye resources and personal trainer. Waller could solve the first problem, but who she gets to handle the second is really going to be important. I highly doubt she’ll ask Bruce because he’s blind to realize how eerily similar Terry’s story is to his own. There are plenty of heroes to choose from the Justice League, but she points out how Batman is different from both the meta humans and non-power heroes.
DCAU Batman is, in my opinion, the greatest version of the character ever written. It’s also the version that we as viewers spend the most time with across four different series. Batman The Animated Series, Justice League, Justice League Unlimited, and Batman Beyond. We see that while he is a paranoid recluse, he also possesses a great capacity for compassion and trust. I loved the relationship between Wonder Woman and Batman, I think it’s a duo that doesn’t really get explored to this degree elsewhere, but it was one of my favorite aspects of the entire JL show. It’s a shame that he never got to be together with Wonder Woman, as evident by Batman Beyond. Because I really think Wonder Woman is the perfect match for Batman as a character. She’s light and he’s dark, he sees the worst in people and she sees the best, and she has a way of bringing out his happy side. To me that pairing is much more interesting that something predictable like Wonder Woman and Superman together.
What makes the change of Bruce from JLU to Batman Beyond so tragic is that there's an event that we can assume caused him to split off from the Justice League and become more of a loner in his older age. And that was when Tim Drake getting kidnapped by the Joker.
God damnit why was this era just stopped because of toys, it was perfect for the streaming era with such small ongoing teams but with such great quality in quantity. God bless the people who made it for us.
Originally I liked Arkham Batman the most out of all the versions of Batman and thought that he represented the character well but now I can’t help but love DCAU Batman. While not perfect he has smth certain interpretations of Batman don’t have and thats warmth.
The way you express different themes Is so lovely
i love when you talk about bats- its nice hearing people appreciate him this specific way. i love him in JLU. i wanna see that batman again some day.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I absolutely adore these videos. Thanks for sharing your thoughts as always.
Still waiting on Superman and Lois season 3. Love the content
It's incredible how easy you write AND edit these video essays in a timely manner with such quality. I could barely make my essay deadlines during my time in uni
Your analysis of Batman, especially JLU batman, is always unbelievably sublime
That line about the world becoming dramatically worse if we lost Batman's heart hits hard now that Kevin Conroy is gone.
I like that they actually did pull the trigger for Batman splintering off from the league in Young Justice
This was awesome, who would've thought id like something about batman with such joyfull music.
Batman is the greatest detective in the world. He can look at a crime scene or a person and know exactly what needs to be done to get answers. This doesn't just mean he's smart. It means he understands people. You can't know what motivates people without knowing people. In an organization like the Justice League, Batman would be a broody older brother. Knowingly not perfect, but seen enough to know how to compensate for his own failings and the failings of others.
It is the #1 thing all of Hollywood doesn't understand about Batman. He is not just a rich guy who punches people with money. His strength is not what makes him interesting. Never has been. It was always his ability to think, to work out obscure problems, find solutions where nobody can find one, and to use his presence to make thee villains all ask "Is this really worth it?"
JLU flash and batman are the best versions in non comic media
They have very strong moments of compassion and your line about heroes is right
What's a super hero with out a heart?
super human
This is an amazing video truly outdone yourself.
I swear this is the third god damn time he released this exact video. 2ith the same opening and narrative.
On the Tower of Babel thing:
Surely the others knowing of the existence of the plans would severely cripple their efficacy right? Like if a psychic like Psymon were to be involved, he could scour their minds, and upon finding out that they know Batman has the contingencies, make taking out Batman and probably destroying the Batcave, Watchtower, Wayne Tech, GCPD, etc the priority situation
As somebody who misses the relative optimism of early 2000s superheroes, I would love to see a story involving a Batman that learns how to trust again after suffering a painful loss. A story that can speak to readers new and old about breaking out of self-isolation, breaking the cycle of self-sabotage and the need to blame yourself for everything, and learning how to hold the mantle of Batman in a more public light.
Perhaps a way to visually show where he is emotionally would be through his costume. Starting with a nearly all-black costume that leaves little "man" visible, and gradually recovering into something closer to his more colorful costumes of the past. Blue and light grey with a yellow oval around the black bat. Perhaps a fair bit darker than the Adam West costume, showing that he is not nor will he ever be fully healed, but that he's made and will continue to make attempts to better himself despite the emotional scars he holds.
Always good to see Comic Pop
I love ComicPop interviews. Awesome to see the crossover again
Just started re watching JLU (once I figured out how to buy it) because of your videos, it's genuinely brilliant and these videos are too.
Excited for the next generation to dig up this show and discover something heart-felt and authentic
It’s weird but I watched this video and kinda cried when I remembered his talk with ace and how he handled that without so much as raising his voice.
i love how JL and JLU fits for all ages. its like spongebob.
My fav Batman.
Grew up watching JLU so
The JL:AS is possibly the best interpretation of the members. like heroes of literature, for their flaws, they do inspire those who hear their stories.
Was just telling my partner how much I enjoy this channel
This is the one Batman I actually believe stopping in a diner at the middle of the night, get out of the car, get ahead in line at shout "GIVE ME A TRIPLE! NOW!!!"
This was the show that turned me into a huge batman fan also the animated series also helped as well
As a long time batman and DC fan, JLU Batman is hands down my absolute favorite version of Batman and Bruce Wayne.
Love how you come up with these essays to justify dipping your feet into the waters of your true dream: becoming an anime music video channel for superhero cartoons!
The justice league and justice league unlimited Batman was my favorite growing up 😭
Comic pop returns yo
you're making free superhero therapy videos. you're amazing man
Beautiful vid bro. You make us all remember why these characters mean so much to us. I'd love to see you do such breakdown for both the Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes show and Wolverine and the X-men show too if you can.
Literally just gave Bats Kevin Conroy's personality and let him cook. I love this version of Batman so much.
Thank you 💛 I Love your videos
Part of what makes animated batman so good compared to his live action counterparts is that he walks the streets instead of flying above them. If he sees trouble, he acts for the people he sees being hurt, not because of the crime. In the end, that's what sets him apart from the live action versions, they are about vengence, he is about helping those his has sworn to protect.
Man, we had an awesome childhood.
The batman has a great heart remember the one time he used his bare hands to dig when he thought his friends were trapped under debris. Or that other times he had to sing to save wonderwomen. Yup batman is a super hero because of his heart.
A big heart means youre human
Hard cut to Epilogue where he's a crotchety old loner like me! Lol. Love your videos man!
You don’t have to feel bad for doing another Batman video. We will watch all of them. No worries.
Really great editing this episode mang
I love your channel so much. Thank god I'm alive to watch this 💛💙