I got to bowl against Bob Vespi in the Masters back in Oklahoma many many years ago. He said people don't seem to like me but thats ok because they always watch me bowl!!!! 😅
For those that don't know Litch, he's has an amazingly successful career. he's won the high roller, countless scratch amature events, and had bowled on tour for a short stint. One of the classiest and kindest guys around on top of all of his talent.
FINALLY... my suggestion for Jeff Roche has been answered. Thank you TRL. "Not pretty" sure is _one_ way of putting it, lol. 😆 But let's not forget that he shot 300 in match play before making the telecast, so, whatever works for him, I guess.
Lichstein can still do it as a senior player, as anyone from the northeast will tell you. He’s not QUITE the same as back then, but you can still tell it’s him from a mile away. Super nice man too very polite and willing to talk bowling with anybody.
Bowled a few weeks back when the Tour left the door WIDE OPEN for amateurs to bowl....made more than one top 24 and even made a show (doubles with PA, also an amateur at the time).
It just goes to show how styles are only unusual relative to their generation. Bob Vespi's style would look totally normal on TV today. Amleto Monacelli's style was unorthodox in his prime, but is pretty much how you would teach a one-hander today.
4:53 I find it interesting that the announcer says that synthetic lines hook more and the wood Lanes have less friction. My whole time as a bowler I’ve been taught the complete opposite.
I’m not saying he was correct, but my 2 cents is that wood lanes simply absorb the oil quicker and dry out quicker, but friction wise just based on the material I have no say. I bowl on a league at a wood house and even as a lefty I’m moving a significant amount by late game 2 and game 3
I’d consider my approach kind of odd for two handed, but it is consistent! And considering I only weigh 145 lbs i find it interesting that I can retain a solid 16-18 mph pace for as many games as I can bowl with a 15lb. ball. Older guys even comment on my throws and say man you really launch that thing for a little guy 😂
You could continue this series with many more "unorthodox" styles. My suggestions, which go back to the 1980s and 1990s: Bob Vespi was considered a "cranker". Before that, Bob Handley was considered the "successor" to the first "cranker" Mark Roth ( 1970s through 1980s), bowling in the 1980s. He held the ball in his palms down in front of his knees on the approach, then "crept" up to the line and then at release propelled the ball on the lane in an upward motion like a windmill. Amleto Monacelli was an all time great and another cranker with an unorthodox high backswing. Eugene McCune threw the ball HARD and straight, end of over end, almost always standing way right on the lane and just pointing ball over the first arrow straight at the head pin at over 20 MPH. Butch Soper: Another hard and straight bowler from the first arrow with the added uniqueness of being only pro bowler ever to be successful throwing a full spinner. He released the ball like he was trying to spin a helicopter. Ted Hannahs: A right hander, he had about a 15 board drift in his approach to the left. Like Wayne Webb and Bob Handley, he held the ball around his knees. Then he took a slow methodical creep up to the foul line with his arm swing taking a pronounced loop to the left. ( There is a RUclips video out there of a PBA championship match between Handley and Hannahs). Ernie Schlegel: He was known as Mister Fidgety. He would fidget FOREVER in his stance( there was no shot clock) and then you never knew how many steps he might take. It might be 4, or 5, or 6, or 7, or 8! He was another hard and straight player who often fell off balance to the right on his release. He was also a master of head games, which combined with his slow play didn't make him popular with the other bowlers. He also wore some of the wildest outfits on TV.
The track on Bob Vespi's ball ran on the right side of the fingers, like a left hander. It ran farther away from the thumb hole than the fingers. It's very hard to make that rotation happen.
What about another opposite series: players with amazing physical games who either weren’t full time players or only made a few shows? Some that come to mind for me are Art Brown, Ken Simard, Blaise Bedolla, I’m sure there are others.
Check out Richie Wolfe arguably the greatest release in the history of the game. Effortless power, in 1991 US Open Bo burton made an accurate point that when Richie's ball hit the pins it just made a different sound from the loud crackle.
Everybody in this series of unorthodoxy won lots of tournaments somewhere even if they didn't win on tour. Many have regional pba titles, the old high rollers and such, or lots of the bigger local tournaments. Not too many make TV shows on tour who did not win quite a bit somewhere.
There used to be a number of bowling alleys that had Don Carter's name attached to it. When I lived in Louisiana in the 90s, there were 2 alleys both named Don Carter's All Star Lanes. One was in Baton Rouge and the other in Kenner.
If you look close he had on a Budweiser shirt. Back in the old days bowling on a beer team was Big. I saw the Strohs team bowl the locals in Portage Indiana when Bob Chamberlain was on the beer team.
One pba bowler that i think has a somewhat unorthodox bowling style is Christian Azcona. He finished second in the 2022 pba cheta championship. I think that might have been his only televised pba finals appearance.
I’ve heard that Don Carter’s odd elbow bend was from using a 16# ball that did not fit his hand when he was a kid and not really strong enough to throw a 16 pound ball
Part 4 and Krista Pöllänen from finland! European champion, World Games gold, World championship bronze and 8-time Finnish national champion! Also Erich Pisarski from Hungary
Jeff is... Well, not a nice person on the lanes. He's been banned from a number of bowling centers for cheating, *STEALING EQUIPMENT,* and drunken/disorderly conduct. The reason I know this is because a friend of mine sent me a video of him being forcibly removed from Beaver Vu Bowl in Beavercreek, Ohio after engaging in two of the aforementioned things at the 2016 Proprietor's Cup.
This will unlikely count in the PBA, but Jim Cripps (the "backwards bowler" guy) I feel should be worthy an honourable mention. That style just about seals the deal for me as the most unorthodox of all-time. As far as the PBA is concerned, I would also like to suggest DJ Archer and Shawn Maldonado for your next entries in Part 4. Their forms upset me lol.
Mike Lichstein is the only guy who’s game I think would translate today he hooks the lane so much for the time he’s playing in and that’s what todays all about wide angles and pocket control
I mean tbf WRW's swing always looked weird to me. That roll of his wrist and huge lift at release. But it worked for him. Not so much for anyone bowling him 😂
Lichstein was yes, very unorthodox. Seven ( or eight??) step approach and such loopiness in this swing, it is hard to imagine how he could repeat shots.
@eddy6892 If they aren't bowling, why is it they have Professional Bowling titles? Even as a one-handed bowler, I constantly get into debates with people who ridicule the two-handed style. They're just jelly. 😂
What’s ‘ugly’ is the two handed throw. Even the best of them look like they’re throwing out the baby with the bathwater, like they’re tossing feathers onto a tarred traitor.
You posted this two weeks ago and left out Tim Cagle....as badly as he got roasted on social media after Tour Trials? I mean, credit where it's due--he got a REALLY good sniff at an exemption, no doubt for a really good reason even if he is highly unorthodox about it.
Damn I thought for some reason you already put Vespi in one of your videos. May I suggest Dick Weber? He has an okay backswing but has absolutely NO follow through which is so weird and super ugly, giving that Pete his son has the most beautiful form ever from backswing to release. Another suggestion is Jess Stayrook. Though I have a lot of respect for him as a very classy pro bowler of his era, he has an ugly form. Super low backswing and he almost hops with his tippy toes when he releases the ball. Last suggestion is Brian Voss. He has a weird like hunched approach with a huge bend of his elbow in his backswing it looks super ugly lol. But yea this video was good. Good choices. Poor Roche. I always expect palm bowlers like Daughtery or Smallwood to lack more in the accuracy dept but man really sad for Roche.
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“Young Don Carter”
Wow. I’ve been into bowling for over 40 years and I don’t think I’ve ever heard that before. What a relic of a video clip.
yeah, he didn't look a day younger than 48
I got to bowl against Bob Vespi in the Masters back in Oklahoma many many years ago. He said people don't seem to like me but thats ok because they always watch me bowl!!!! 😅
I'm glad you put my suggestion for Mike Lichstein for Part 3. For Part 4, I would add:
1. Joe Hutchinson
2. Bob Handley
and
3. Greg Thomas
I can't get enough of these videos! Thank you for the excellent bowling content!
For those that don't know Litch, he's has an amazingly successful career. he's won the high roller, countless scratch amature events, and had bowled on tour for a short stint. One of the classiest and kindest guys around on top of all of his talent.
great mullet
FINALLY... my suggestion for Jeff Roche has been answered. Thank you TRL. "Not pretty" sure is _one_ way of putting it, lol. 😆
But let's not forget that he shot 300 in match play before making the telecast, so, whatever works for him, I guess.
Lichstein can still do it as a senior player, as anyone from the northeast will tell you. He’s not QUITE the same as back then, but you can still tell it’s him from a mile away. Super nice man too very polite and willing to talk bowling with anybody.
Did he ever bowl on tour?
Bowled a few weeks back when the Tour left the door WIDE OPEN for amateurs to bowl....made more than one top 24 and even made a show (doubles with PA, also an amateur at the time).
It just goes to show how styles are only unusual relative to their generation. Bob Vespi's style would look totally normal on TV today. Amleto Monacelli's style was unorthodox in his prime, but is pretty much how you would teach a one-hander today.
4:53 I find it interesting that the announcer says that synthetic lines hook more and the wood Lanes have less friction. My whole time as a bowler I’ve been taught the complete opposite.
Maybe that guy was wrong back then and he got it mixed up.
@@UhKimbozeThat guy was Bo Burton.😮
I’m not saying he was correct, but my 2 cents is that wood lanes simply absorb the oil quicker and dry out quicker, but friction wise just based on the material I have no say. I bowl on a league at a wood house and even as a lefty I’m moving a significant amount by late game 2 and game 3
Nice vid bro thanks
I’d consider my approach kind of odd for two handed, but it is consistent! And considering I only weigh 145 lbs i find it interesting that I can retain a solid 16-18 mph pace for as many games as I can bowl with a 15lb. ball. Older guys even comment on my throws and say man you really launch that thing for a little guy 😂
You could continue this series with many more "unorthodox" styles. My suggestions, which go back to the 1980s and 1990s:
Bob Vespi was considered a "cranker". Before that, Bob Handley was considered the "successor" to the first "cranker" Mark Roth ( 1970s through 1980s), bowling in the 1980s. He held the ball in his palms down in front of his knees on the approach, then "crept" up to the line and then at release propelled the ball on the lane in an upward motion like a windmill.
Amleto Monacelli was an all time great and another cranker with an unorthodox high backswing.
Eugene McCune threw the ball HARD and straight, end of over end, almost always standing way right on the lane and just pointing ball over the first arrow straight at the head pin at over 20 MPH.
Butch Soper: Another hard and straight bowler from the first arrow with the added uniqueness of being only pro bowler ever to be successful throwing a full spinner. He released the ball like he was trying to spin a helicopter.
Ted Hannahs: A right hander, he had about a 15 board drift in his approach to the left. Like Wayne Webb and Bob Handley, he held the ball around his knees. Then he took a slow methodical creep up to the foul line with his arm swing taking a pronounced loop to the left. ( There is a RUclips video out there of a PBA championship match between Handley and Hannahs).
Ernie Schlegel: He was known as Mister Fidgety. He would fidget FOREVER in his stance( there was no shot clock) and then you never knew how many steps he might take. It might be 4, or 5, or 6, or 7, or 8! He was another hard and straight player who often fell off balance to the right on his release. He was also a master of head games, which combined with his slow play didn't make him popular with the other bowlers. He also wore some of the wildest outfits on TV.
He was also the beneficiary of Randy Pedersen's legendary solid 8.
The track on Bob Vespi's ball ran on the right side of the fingers, like a left hander. It ran farther away from the thumb hole than the fingers. It's very hard to make that rotation happen.
What about another opposite series: players with amazing physical games who either weren’t full time players or only made a few shows?
Some that come to mind for me are Art Brown, Ken Simard, Blaise Bedolla, I’m sure there are others.
Check out Richie Wolfe arguably the greatest release in the history of the game. Effortless power, in 1991 US Open Bo burton made an accurate point that when Richie's ball hit the pins it just made a different sound from the loud crackle.
Man, Ken Simard, incredible talent that made a couple telecasts. Met him in person during the famous 2012 US Open won by Pete.
@@jerryczzowitz3384Richie Wolfe has without a doubt the smoothest game in the history of the tour
Devers... figure eight backswing, dead fish limp wrist, but man he got a ton of roll on the ball.
Scott Devers -- A million years ago at a PBA tournament, I saw him leave a 5-7-10 in warm-ups before a block. That's what 6 revs will do for you.
I saw Sam Maccarone leave a 5-7-10 in a pro-am about 500,000 years ago
Everybody in this series of unorthodoxy won lots of tournaments somewhere even if they didn't win on tour. Many have regional pba titles, the old high rollers and such, or lots of the bigger local tournaments. Not too many make TV shows on tour who did not win quite a bit somewhere.
There used to be a number of bowling alleys that had Don Carter's name attached to it. When I lived in Louisiana in the 90s, there were 2 alleys both named Don Carter's All Star Lanes. One was in Baton Rouge and the other in Kenner.
I don’t think I have ever seen don carter bowl before today
If you look close he had on a Budweiser shirt. Back in the old days bowling on a beer team was Big. I saw the Strohs team bowl the locals in Portage Indiana when Bob Chamberlain was on the beer team.
One pba bowler that i think has a somewhat unorthodox bowling style is Christian Azcona. He finished second in the 2022 pba cheta championship. I think that might have been his only televised pba finals appearance.
His arm swing is PAINFUL to watch.
Azcona does really well in central Florida. Southern regionals
I’ve heard that Don Carter’s odd elbow bend was from using a 16# ball that did not fit his hand when he was a kid and not really strong enough to throw a 16 pound ball
Part 4 and Krista Pöllänen from finland! European champion, World Games gold, World championship bronze and 8-time Finnish national champion!
Also Erich Pisarski from Hungary
Feel kinda bad for Roche's one game on TV. Dude was eaten alive.
As randy said about his approach "some may say it looks like an octopus falling out of a tree"
Guy is trash
TV nerves, a lot tend to get eaten alive. EJ Tackett in his first couple TV finals was also a rough one to watch.
Jeff is... Well, not a nice person on the lanes. He's been banned from a number of bowling centers for cheating, *STEALING EQUIPMENT,* and drunken/disorderly conduct. The reason I know this is because a friend of mine sent me a video of him being forcibly removed from Beaver Vu Bowl in Beavercreek, Ohio after engaging in two of the aforementioned things at the 2016 Proprietor's Cup.
By Jeffrey dahmer? Who ate him alive?
Vespi was like the og cranker, mad revs for back in the day
nah - Mark Roth and Bob Handley are better examples!
That Scott Divers looks just like Ned Flanders. And then i see he's a south paw as well! Very Flanders-like!
This will unlikely count in the PBA, but Jim Cripps (the "backwards bowler" guy) I feel should be worthy an honourable mention. That style just about seals the deal for me as the most unorthodox of all-time.
As far as the PBA is concerned, I would also like to suggest DJ Archer and Shawn Maldonado for your next entries in Part 4. Their forms upset me lol.
Honorable mention....Ron Williams!!!
I kinda like Lichstein’s style. It almost reminds me of an elegant duelist.
Mike Lichstein is the only guy who’s game I think would translate today he hooks the lane so much for the time he’s playing in and that’s what todays all about wide angles and pocket control
I mean tbf WRW's swing always looked weird to me. That roll of his wrist and huge lift at release. But it worked for him. Not so much for anyone bowling him 😂
Two handers ruined bowling. Yup. I said it.
Womp womp
Do a video on candlepin bowling
2:56 his style abd tom daugherty's are quite similiar
You should do a video for jordan Richard
I’ve been told I have a bizarre throw, maybe somehow I’ll get on TV and people can see my “unusual style” 🤣🤣
I think these folks are unique. As long as the style is repeatable, it should be acceptable. It's whatever is most comfortable.
Brianna Clemmer you need to add her to one of your videos.
I feel like Ryan Shaffer should be in here.
Love the guy but I just don’t like watching him bowl 😭
I remember younger Ryan always looked like he was going to jump out of his shoes at release.
He was definitely a bocce ball legend as well
Lichstein was yes, very unorthodox. Seven ( or eight??) step approach and such loopiness in this swing, it is hard to imagine how he could repeat shots.
You’ve forgotten the very unorthodox style of Ernie “Big seen” McCracken
Only matters how it comes out your hand and if you can repeat the process.
With that notion , your going to catch a lot of grief from all those people who are convinced two-handers are not bowling
@eddy6892 If they aren't bowling, why is it they have Professional Bowling titles?
Even as a one-handed bowler, I constantly get into debates with people who ridicule the two-handed style.
They're just jelly. 😂
How about Ted Hannahs? Steve Westberg? Sam Flanagan?
They haven't seen my overhand bowling style.
I like the first intro guy... simple
Has anyone thought to do a Fred Flintstone sort of game/league/whatever where you have to bowl it just like Fred Flintstone?
The two handed style should be on one of these…… that is just ugly but is effective however if mastered
I would say they were unique.
What’s ‘ugly’ is the two handed throw. Even the best of them look like they’re throwing out the baby with the bathwater, like they’re tossing feathers onto a tarred traitor.
Whenever i watch an old show with Bob Vespi in it I always get the impression he's not well liked by the commentators and by other bowlers
He was not liked by the other bowlers. He was considered cocky.
Ouch, that hurt my soul.
What about Ray Bluth or wrong foot Louie?
It makes no difference what their style looks like, ugly or otherwise. If their shot knocks down all 10 pins, that's all that matters.
The first guy has a two handed style
You posted this two weeks ago and left out Tim Cagle....as badly as he got roasted on social media after Tour Trials?
I mean, credit where it's due--he got a REALLY good sniff at an exemption, no doubt for a really good reason even if he is highly unorthodox about it.
It's Scott Devers, not Divas
5:17. Uhhh... you're not.
Ugly Bowling Styles Part 3 | Most Unorthodox Bowling Styles in PBA History
Ugly Bowling Styles Part 3 | Most Unorthodox Bowling Styles in PBA History
Brandon Novak
My favorite unorthodox styles to watch are two guys, Tomas Kayhko and Brandon Novak.
prison league all star Brandon Novak
@@alinevenorion4718 Wait prison league? Did he get into trouble?
@@UhKimbozeyeah he got arrested for having relations with a minor I think 🤢
@@Ewigi Oh dang I had no idea... That's a shame, I liked watching him on television specifically for his unique style.
@Ewigi didn't he have cp or something
I think all 2 handed bowlers have "ugly" styles. Probably the best looking two hander is Jesper.
Bruh 2 handed is the goat
Damn I thought for some reason you already put Vespi in one of your videos. May I suggest Dick Weber? He has an okay backswing but has absolutely NO follow through which is so weird and super ugly, giving that Pete his son has the most beautiful form ever from backswing to release. Another suggestion is Jess Stayrook. Though I have a lot of respect for him as a very classy pro bowler of his era, he has an ugly form. Super low backswing and he almost hops with his tippy toes when he releases the ball. Last suggestion is Brian Voss. He has a weird like hunched approach with a huge bend of his elbow in his backswing it looks super ugly lol. But yea this video was good. Good choices. Poor Roche. I always expect palm bowlers like Daughtery or Smallwood to lack more in the accuracy dept but man really sad for Roche.
In todays game, there’s definitely nothing ugly or weird anymore. Everything is normal and it’s awesome.
I WOULD LIKE 👍 TO SEE A VIDEO'S. ABOUT LEFT HANDS BOWLING 🎳.