I play on a yamaha 16c4, which is equivalent to bach 11/2 c, all the way from my 7th grade year until now, my 5th year of college. I started on a 7c in 5th grade. This makes sense why I never had the problem you explain at 4:15. In fact, the band director in the early years was always telling me to play louder and was routinely baffled why I couldn't play loud but had a fantastic tone, but the other 30 trumpets had the opposite problem.
Wish I'd received this advice when I first starting playing over two decades ago! I did switch to a 3C in high school, but I do have to wonder where I'd be if I had started on a 5B 🤔 Also, love your sense of humor in this video! 🤣 I promise I won't tell the woodwinds anything!
When you're a young student player, if you have a reasonably good sound when other kids are straining, you'll know it and gain confidence. And other people will tell you that you sound good, which will reinforce your confidence. Playing technical passages is a matter of woodsheding - time will get you there. But a clear, sweet sound shouldn't be painful to achieve.
I agree. I started with a Bach 6C. I never liked the 7C. somehow, in high school in the 60s I switched to a Bach 2 1/4 C. I played this for a long time and remember back 60 years ago there wasn’t that much discussion about mouthpieces. The larger mouth be served me well, but then I switched to a Monette 4BS which I liked a lot but then my trumpet work trail off and life went a different direction. Remember, however, if what I heard is correct that Jimmy Tamburini in Detroit played a 10 1/2 C. Oh well.!
In Germany most people start on a 3c Before I got my current mouthpiece I had a 1c Now I swapped (hopefully for the last time) to an even wider mouthpiece with a semi european rim (probably b would be the Bach naming) I went to a local artisan who produces an extreme variety of mouthpieces and with his experience he slowly led me to the best fitting mouthpiece I ever dreamt of Edit. It actually helped me climbing up a bit in: Range; Sound and especially durability. Less sharp rims help a lot with endurance, I cannot think about another mouthpiece I would play a 3 hour session on ever again
I started on a Denis Wick 4 - now I play a DW 2, equivalent to a Bach 1 1/2. I played a 3C once for a gig and couldn't get as high. I believe starting with a 5C is good to get you going, as and when your enbouchure has arrived and you can make a good sound, go to 1 1/2C or 1 1/4C, you'll need 4 weeks to get it running and never look back.
I dont understand why entry level trumpets come with a 7c. It reminds me, back in the day, when I learnt guitar with over thick strings and an action that was too high.
The Bach numbering system is counterintuitive. I used Shilke for the most part up until last year. Then I wound up using a Bach 1 1/2c last year after having used roughly the Schilke equivalent (the 14) for years. Now, I did use a 13 A4a for an outdoor concert the other day where endurance and being able to project were more important. Edit to add, I only used the 7c for my first two years playing, then it was the Schilke 14 through high school and most of college (experimented a bit with the Bach 1 1/2c, but reverted back to the 14 after about a year).
The Bach trumpet mouthpiece line is a mess when it comes to measurement. The C cups are not consistent from size to size. So a 3C is not the same depth as a 5C, which is not the same as a 10/1/2C or a 7C. The 3C is actually the shallowest “C” cup out of all the “C” cup classes in the Bach lineup.
@@tonyyao4785 It really is a mess. One of my instructors grew up with the pre-merger stuff. After dealing with the inconsistencies between supposed identical mouthpieces after the merger with Conn-Selmer, he gave up on Bach mouthpieces (and any of the post-merger Bach trumpets). People act like the Bach Strad is the pinnacle of classical trumpets, but it doesn't deserve that reputation. Maybe it deserved it at one time, but it certainly doesn't today. The only reason I currently use a Bach mouthpiece (1 1/2C) is because it seemed like I had more accuracy (compared to the Schilke I was using, now that I have about a month off before rehearsals resume, I'm going to reevaluate my mouthpiece choice and give the Schilke another shot) in the middle space C to top of the staff G range when I started playing again after a hiatus where I hadn't had time to maintain a regular practice regimen.
@@karlrovey I know a lot of people use Pickett brass and curry equivalents of the Bach mouthpieces and they are amazing. Ultra consistent across the line and sound a lot better on them. I personally use hammond design most of the time, but I still use both brands from time to time.
Parents across the world agree. Sound is important. 3c is my most used. Started in 1984 still use it. (Yes, there were years that started with a 19 and not 20). I always thought the hand up was the conductor giving me a long distance high 5 for drowning out the clarinets. Also, where have you been? Missed your content.
I appreciate that! Lol, and who doesn't love a long-distance high-five? Thank you for watching my videos and waiting so long for the next installment. I've got many videos planned out for the future, so it's just a matter of scripting and recording them now. And haha, I grew up in the 90s and have been involved with music since then, so I've seen the 1900s and can confirm that they're real!
While getting my music ed degree, the trumpet teacher recommended the 7c mouthpiece with the director drilling out the mouthpiece with a #23 drill bit..... I'm a trombone player and he had directed a very successful jr high band and high school band before being a trumpet teacher in college.
@@edsherrod5216 trumpet teachers are so ill informed sometimes, a 7c isn't a one size fits all, it needs to match your lips and embouchure, denture structure, bach technology is 100 years old and just mass produced, no laser cnc machining for tolerances.
@@davidbalfour798 I think Bach are now actually using CNC machines for their mouthpieces, but it's only happened in the last few years. Before that they were none too careful with their 7Cs, and some of them were apparently bigger than some 5Cs or even 3Cs. I think there's a video on YT of the guy from Harrelson trumpets, where he says some of the Bach 7Cs were actually other mouthpieces entirely, just mislabelled, but not sure what he's based that on. I have two Bach 7Cs from the 90s, and they feel like completely different mouthpieces.....
It's always been my experience that playing a larger mouthpiece will build your range in the long run. Switching to a smaller mouthpiece later from there is like when Goku and Piccolo take their training weights off.
The fact that you used a Dragonball/Dragonball Z reference to describe mouthpieces gives me new life. But yes! I've had a number of students experience this firsthand!
I tried playing trumpet for the first time I can't even play it and I have to search on RUclips how to play and I found your video and I just discovered that the trumpet is 7c mouthpiece as well...
0:00 I use a bobby shew lead for most of my playing unless playing below the staff i use a 3c. I would however highly recommend buying a harrelson spectratone or modular mouthpiece where you can change the cup, throat,backbore and gap of the mouthpiece. They can advise you what choices to go for, his trumpets and mouthpieces he builds are the ultimate. I play on a harrelson bravura that I got second hand recently, it projects amazingly against yamaha and bach strads in the band I play in with very little effort.
They are expensive mouth pieces, but you are getting limitless combinations, unless you can try mouthpieces in store. Mouthpieces are about £70 each now, and if you have three, you've already spent that much.
From what I understand (and trumpet players have LOTS of "understandings" of questionable value), Vincent Bach played a 7C trumpet mouthpiece and a 6 cornet. "From what I understand," the 6C and 7C have the same cup, drill and backbore but different rims. Some time ago I bought a 6C trumpet from an online mouthpiece service (you all know of whom I speak). Great rim and a very good sound. However, after a practice session the 6C left me with a roaring headache. Maybe the drill is too small? It sits in its box among my stash of unused mouthpieces. These days I'm experimenting with the Yamaha 14C4 as a potential replacement for my current newer Bach 3C.
FWIW - "As I understand it" the Yamaha 14B4 is their version of the Bach 3C - the 14C4 is more like the 5C. Looking at the online trumpet mouthpiece comparator, that seems about right - the 14B4 looks very close to the 3C, ditto the 14C4 and 5C.... I have the 14B4, but unfortunately don't have a 3C or 5C to compare....
@@peeemm2032 i used the "online trumpet mouthpiece comparator" when it belonged to Kanstul. It's the reason I tried the 6C as a potential replacement for my original 3C.
I was heavily encouraged to switch from the alto saxophone to the trumpet, and since I'm not buying mouthpieces and I'm using a school trumpet, I'm stuck with a 7c.
1:58 Exactly like you worded it. A mouthpiece can only HELP you reach higher notes. It doesn't magically ''unlock'' extra range. In the end, mouthpieces are ofcourse personal preferences. I do agree that 7c is a terrible beginner mouthpiece. 3c or even something down to 1 1/4c is way better to start with. But once you can play your instrument a little bit, go to a large music store and try out different mouthpieces! It's also really recommendable to try different brands!
Thank you for your thoughtful comments and for watching the video! It's absolutely true once you gain some experience that trying out multiple options from multiple brands can make a huge difference!
Exactly. Switching between a concert band mouthpiece and a jazz mouthpiece would only get me one to two more notes, but it really helped with endurance, volume, and ease of playing in the upper register.
Hello, great content thank you for all you do! What do you think of Yamaha 14B4 ?? Any experience with Yamaha mouthpieces? I have been playing for 4 years
Thank you so much! The 14B4 is very similar to the Bach 3C, in terms of the rim and the cup. TL;DR: It's typically a very reliable mouthpiece! The main difference is that the Yamaha doesn't have as much bite, meaning it's going to feel smoother on the lips than a Bach. "Bite" is not a term I mentioned in the video - since I focused on Bach's numbering system and Bachs generally have the same bite - but it's the term used to define the point there the rim turns into the cup. Bach mouthpieces have a more defined point between the rim and cup (in other words, they have more bite) whereas Yamaha mouthpieces are more rounded ans seamless between the rim and the cup (they have less bite). The bite is one of the aspects of the mouthpiece that is typically up to a player's preference, whereas the dimensions of the rim and the cup have more quantifiable effects on the aspects of playing described in the video. Thank you for the question! I hope it helps!
hey man! i’m 5 years out of high school where i used to play on a small bore tenor trombone with a 6.5AL mouthpiece. now i’ve picked up the trumpet so that i can teach my little brother how to play before he enters high school! i’m currently using a yamaha 11b4 mouthpiece which came with the trumpet, should i switch to a 5b or 3c considering that i’ve had previous experience with brass instruments? and which mouthpiece should my little brother start with? he’s turning 13 this month! thanks again!
Hi, John! Thanks for your patience. It's ultimately up to you, but the more experience you have, the more variables are at play, but - at the same time - the more you can usually handle mouthpieces with shallower cups. I can't tell you definitively what to do because I'd have to hear you play to know how your experience has affected your growth, but for most of my students in that situation (especially if they switched from a trombone), I'd ask them to try out a 3c and see if we hear or feel any differences - particularly if they sounded any warmer compared to the 11b4. But even if you do switch, hold onto the 11b4... it might help you in jazz band or marching band down the road! About your brother, Happy Birthday to him! I'd try out the 5b for him and see how he does with it!
The thing I see so many people get wrong is that sound doesn't automatically mean you're a master of the trumpet. I'm exagerating here a bit but, you can sound like arturo sandoval when you start and you have no idea what the basics are.
It certainly can! "Help" is the key word. A new mouthpiece is an equipment change. So it may become easier or harder to achieve something depending on how well your equipment lines up with your goals, but ultimately the user of the equipment is going to be the one making the feats. If you're specifically switching from a 7c to a 5b, for example, it will be easier to sound warmer and your articulation generally won't feel or sound as heavy. I hope it helps! Happy practicing!
If we are talking about beginners, concert band literature which actually tends to be more vocal-like concerning composition, and blending with woodwinds, I would skip trumpet entirely and have them play cornet with a 4 or 4.5 Denis Wick mouthpiece.
Getting an entire band on cornets with a Wick mouthpiece would definitely be quite a different experience than what we mostly have now! Warmer sounds and cleaner-sounding articulation in most cases would be so much easier
Well it all depends on your job I'm not in the army any more and I'm not a feald trumpet player but just look at the mouthpiece catalog the diameter of the 7c is 41 many great players play sum versions of this oohh like doc severson just look at the piket trumpet catalog or look on the Bob Reaves
Hello sir , I really desire to learn how to play trumpet, yet I don't know how to go about It , the trumpet am training myself with is not producing harmonize sound I need a help on how to go about it sir!
Hi! The first video in this series is a "How To Play The Trumpet" video for beginners, so if you haven't seen it yet, it might be helpful to watch it! Here is the video: ruclips.net/video/FFJ4FGlW5Zo/видео.html I'm also going to be releasing a lot more videos later this year about what to focus on to improve on the trumpet, so if you're subscribed to my channel then you'll see them when they come out. I hope they help you as well!
The 5c has a shallower cup. You'll be alright with a 5c, but if you want a 5b there is a link in the description of this video taking you to an Amazon listing of the 5b!
Sound. Bachs have too much bite for me. And yes, a brittle sound. Even a 3C. I've played Bachs for decades -- amateur -- and had no formal training. I drilled Arban's as a kid. I'm on the way back to playing and it's only been the last few years that I have been trying different pieces. I wish I had tried a wider range of products when I was younger. I recently picked up a Wick 1-1/4C from a remainders bin. I get a fantastic tone, even in the transition above the staff. It's the only piece so far that lets me lip up a pedal C.
Valid, for sure! The bite is almost worth an entire video in itself, especially since, like you said, there is such a wider range of mouthpiece options nowadays. Certainly the Wick and Schilke mouthpieces feel quite different from the Bach in comparison. A lot of mouthpieces feel "softer" than the Bach mouthpieces because of the bite.
Don't really agree. A warm (or dull) sound is not the most important from the start. Instead you want a mp that doesn't make you strain, press too hard or let you get away with other bad habits. While I agree that the 7C is not the best, it has a shitty too round rim that digs in your flesh, with a too big diameter (especially for young kids) and a deep cup, requiring strength that may not be there, and the 5B has a nicer rim, the 5B is only slightly smaller and even deeper. Instead, I opt for a 10.5C. A smaller mouthpiece forces you to play correctly, it won't work if your embouchure is too open, while sparing what embouchure you have, avoiding strain. A too open embouchure is a source of many problems later on, especially with range. The cup on this thing is neither deep nor shallow, allowing for all music styles with a good and lively tone, the rim is very nice, identical to the 3C in fact and the diameter, while a hair smaller than the 3C is not too small to be played by almost all people. There is a reason this was one of the most popular mouthpieces before the big diameter craze began after Herseth hurt his lip. 5c vs 7C : trumpet.cloud/mpc/index.html?mpc1id=VA002700&mpc2id=VB002100&mpc2x=51&mpc2y=0
Saying a 7c is bad is like saying a size 10 shoe size is bad. It fits some but not all. It is common that most people don't know how to choose a mouthpiece that fits their lips. Thick lips low bach number. Thin lips higher bach number. Check out Stork mouthpiece videos for a full explaination.
That's actually exactly what I'm saying. An important part of your analogy, though, is that a 10 shoe size is bad for the vast majority of people within a specific age group in a specific environment for which that shoe would be too big. Starting with a shoe size that would fit many more people within that average group would cause a significantly higher number of those people to be properly sized and puts everyone else in a much closer ballpark, giving them a much better chance at success navigating in that shoe. This is the message, just with mouthpieces. Thanks for watching and commenting - I appreciate your time!
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i love how there are small channels like this that edit videos better than some channels that have 1m+ subs
I really appreciate that!
If this comment gets 100 likes, I'll make a video telling you what mouthpiece I play 👀
I bet it's a 7C...
@@tpt_solo LOL You KNOW what mouthpiece I play, silly, and you know it's not a 7c 💀
@@MSGrantMusic you just want us to think it's not a 7C so you can have the best high notes and the shrillest sound...
@@tpt_solo Hahaha you're such a troll 😂
I bet it's something similar to a 3c
Finally this intelligent guy says it all.
My buck teeth and this 7c is not working at all I got to try different cups
I don't even play trumpet but this was super informative and well edited!
Thank you so much for watching and supporting! That means a lot, especially coming from a non-trumpeter watching a trumpet video!
I’ve been playing for 5 years, I started on a 7c, and when I switched to 3c it felt so much better. I now use 3c for concert and 13e for jazz
Hello marcus first time studying the trumpet. Iam Sax player. Your video are helpful. Like your style. Thanks
I'm so happy to hear that! I hope you've been enjoying the trumpet!
Dude, great video. I remember the first time I used a 3c after a couple of years ony the 7c and how much better it was.
Thank you! I appreciate you watching and commenting! Your experience switching from 7c to 3c is common!
I play on a yamaha 16c4, which is equivalent to bach 11/2 c, all the way from my 7th grade year until now, my 5th year of college. I started on a 7c in 5th grade. This makes sense why I never had the problem you explain at 4:15. In fact, the band director in the early years was always telling me to play louder and was routinely baffled why I couldn't play loud but had a fantastic tone, but the other 30 trumpets had the opposite problem.
Wish I'd received this advice when I first starting playing over two decades ago! I did switch to a 3C in high school, but I do have to wonder where I'd be if I had started on a 5B 🤔
Also, love your sense of humor in this video! 🤣 I promise I won't tell the woodwinds anything!
Thanks a ton! Yeah, thankfully if you can get past the first few years, your added experience can help direct you on a more helpful path!
I have been waiting for this video for a hot minute! Excited for what’s next!! 🎉
Haha, yeah I'm sorry 😅 I appreciate your patience. Thank you for watching my videos!
When you're a young student player, if you have a reasonably good sound when other kids are straining, you'll know it and gain confidence. And other people will tell you that you sound good, which will reinforce your confidence. Playing technical passages is a matter of woodsheding - time will get you there. But a clear, sweet sound shouldn't be painful to achieve.
I agree. I started with a Bach 6C. I never liked the 7C. somehow, in high school in the 60s I switched to a Bach 2 1/4 C. I played this for a long time and remember back 60 years ago there wasn’t that much discussion about mouthpieces. The larger mouth be served me well, but then I switched to a Monette 4BS which I liked a lot but then my trumpet work trail off and life went a different direction. Remember, however, if what I heard is correct that Jimmy Tamburini in Detroit played a 10 1/2 C. Oh well.!
In Germany most people start on a 3c
Before I got my current mouthpiece I had a 1c
Now I swapped (hopefully for the last time) to an even wider mouthpiece with a semi european rim (probably b would be the Bach naming)
I went to a local artisan who produces an extreme variety of mouthpieces and with his experience he slowly led me to the best fitting mouthpiece I ever dreamt of
Edit. It actually helped me climbing up a bit in: Range; Sound and especially durability. Less sharp rims help a lot with endurance, I cannot think about another mouthpiece I would play a 3 hour session on ever again
Your jokes about woodwind players crack me up. I play trumpet, my mom plays clarinet, and we antagonize each other over it all the time 😆
I started on a Denis Wick 4 - now I play a DW 2, equivalent to a Bach 1 1/2. I played a 3C once for a gig and couldn't get as high. I believe starting with a 5C is good to get you going, as and when your enbouchure has arrived and you can make a good sound, go to 1 1/2C or 1 1/4C, you'll need 4 weeks to get it running and never look back.
I dont understand why entry level trumpets come with a 7c. It reminds me, back in the day, when I learnt guitar with over thick strings and an action that was too high.
I have been playing the 7c for 8 months and have switched to a Yamaha 11B4. A big difference in sound from it. 😮
very good information specially for a new trumpet players !!;)
The Bach numbering system is counterintuitive. I used Shilke for the most part up until last year. Then I wound up using a Bach 1 1/2c last year after having used roughly the Schilke equivalent (the 14) for years. Now, I did use a 13 A4a for an outdoor concert the other day where endurance and being able to project were more important.
Edit to add, I only used the 7c for my first two years playing, then it was the Schilke 14 through high school and most of college (experimented a bit with the Bach 1 1/2c, but reverted back to the 14 after about a year).
The Bach trumpet mouthpiece line is a mess when it comes to measurement. The C cups are not consistent from size to size. So a 3C is not the same depth as a 5C, which is not the same as a 10/1/2C or a 7C. The 3C is actually the shallowest “C” cup out of all the “C” cup classes in the Bach lineup.
@@tonyyao4785 It really is a mess. One of my instructors grew up with the pre-merger stuff. After dealing with the inconsistencies between supposed identical mouthpieces after the merger with Conn-Selmer, he gave up on Bach mouthpieces (and any of the post-merger Bach trumpets). People act like the Bach Strad is the pinnacle of classical trumpets, but it doesn't deserve that reputation. Maybe it deserved it at one time, but it certainly doesn't today.
The only reason I currently use a Bach mouthpiece (1 1/2C) is because it seemed like I had more accuracy (compared to the Schilke I was using, now that I have about a month off before rehearsals resume, I'm going to reevaluate my mouthpiece choice and give the Schilke another shot) in the middle space C to top of the staff G range when I started playing again after a hiatus where I hadn't had time to maintain a regular practice regimen.
@@karlrovey I know a lot of people use Pickett brass and curry equivalents of the Bach mouthpieces and they are amazing. Ultra consistent across the line and sound a lot better on them. I personally use hammond design most of the time, but I still use both brands from time to time.
Parents across the world agree. Sound is important. 3c is my most used. Started in 1984 still use it. (Yes, there were years that started with a 19 and not 20). I always thought the hand up was the conductor giving me a long distance high 5 for drowning out the clarinets. Also, where have you been? Missed your content.
I appreciate that! Lol, and who doesn't love a long-distance high-five? Thank you for watching my videos and waiting so long for the next installment. I've got many videos planned out for the future, so it's just a matter of scripting and recording them now. And haha, I grew up in the 90s and have been involved with music since then, so I've seen the 1900s and can confirm that they're real!
While getting my music ed degree, the trumpet teacher recommended the 7c mouthpiece with the director drilling out the mouthpiece with a #23 drill bit..... I'm a trombone player and he had directed a very successful jr high band and high school band before being a trumpet teacher in college.
@@edsherrod5216 trumpet teachers are so ill informed sometimes, a 7c isn't a one size fits all, it needs to match your lips and embouchure, denture structure, bach technology is 100 years old and just mass produced, no laser cnc machining for tolerances.
@@davidbalfour798 I think Bach are now actually using CNC machines for their mouthpieces, but it's only happened in the last few years.
Before that they were none too careful with their 7Cs, and some of them were apparently bigger than some 5Cs or even 3Cs.
I think there's a video on YT of the guy from Harrelson trumpets, where he says some of the Bach 7Cs were actually other mouthpieces entirely, just mislabelled, but not sure what he's based that on.
I have two Bach 7Cs from the 90s, and they feel like completely different mouthpieces.....
It's always been my experience that playing a larger mouthpiece will build your range in the long run. Switching to a smaller mouthpiece later from there is like when Goku and Piccolo take their training weights off.
The fact that you used a Dragonball/Dragonball Z reference to describe mouthpieces gives me new life. But yes! I've had a number of students experience this firsthand!
@@MSGrantMusic I'm happy you appreciated it! Cheers
I tried playing trumpet for the first time I can't even play it and I have to search on RUclips how to play and I found your video and I just discovered that the trumpet is 7c mouthpiece as well...
D for the question
0:00 I use a bobby shew lead for most of my playing unless playing below the staff i use a 3c. I would however highly recommend buying a harrelson spectratone or modular mouthpiece where you can change the cup, throat,backbore and gap of the mouthpiece. They can advise you what choices to go for, his trumpets and mouthpieces he builds are the ultimate. I play on a harrelson bravura that I got second hand recently, it projects amazingly against yamaha and bach strads in the band I play in with very little effort.
Too expensive for most of us 😪
They are expensive mouth pieces, but you are getting limitless combinations, unless you can try mouthpieces in store. Mouthpieces are about £70 each now, and if you have three, you've already spent that much.
I just got my trumpet yesterday!
I used to play trombone so i am pretty good at trumpet now. But i cant do it with out your info. It really helps a lot
@@alexanderdouglas4269 Nice, congrats! I'm so happy to hear that my videos are helpful. I hope you're enjoying the trumpet!
@@MSGrantMusic I am! Infact i just got my 7c mouth piece
Is there a time when a 7C would be best? I have a young player who is always playing higher. The High C is the natural note that comes out.
Good info here! I stopped using Bach mouthpieces a couple months in. Every beginner should watch this
From what I understand (and trumpet players have LOTS of "understandings" of questionable value), Vincent Bach played a 7C trumpet mouthpiece and a 6 cornet. "From what I understand," the 6C and 7C have the same cup, drill and backbore but different rims. Some time ago I bought a 6C trumpet from an online mouthpiece service (you all know of whom I speak). Great rim and a very good sound. However, after a practice session the 6C left me with a roaring headache. Maybe the drill is too small? It sits in its box among my stash of unused mouthpieces. These days I'm experimenting with the Yamaha 14C4 as a potential replacement for my current newer Bach 3C.
FWIW - "As I understand it" the Yamaha 14B4 is their version of the Bach 3C - the 14C4 is more like the 5C.
Looking at the online trumpet mouthpiece comparator, that seems about right - the 14B4 looks very close to the 3C, ditto the 14C4 and 5C....
I have the 14B4, but unfortunately don't have a 3C or 5C to compare....
@@peeemm2032 i used the "online trumpet mouthpiece comparator" when it belonged to Kanstul. It's the reason I tried the 6C as a potential replacement for my original 3C.
I gave it the hundredth like
Nice!! Looks like I owe you guys a new mouthpiece video!
I was heavily encouraged to switch from the alto saxophone to the trumpet, and since I'm not buying mouthpieces and I'm using a school trumpet, I'm stuck with a 7c.
I’ve been playing for 5 years! I started with a 11b4 and also a 3C. I recently got a 7c. Which one is better for a marching band sound?
1:58 Exactly like you worded it. A mouthpiece can only HELP you reach higher notes. It doesn't magically ''unlock'' extra range.
In the end, mouthpieces are ofcourse personal preferences. I do agree that 7c is a terrible beginner mouthpiece. 3c or even something down to 1 1/4c is way better to start with. But once you can play your instrument a little bit, go to a large music store and try out different mouthpieces! It's also really recommendable to try different brands!
Thank you for your thoughtful comments and for watching the video! It's absolutely true once you gain some experience that trying out multiple options from multiple brands can make a huge difference!
Exactly. Switching between a concert band mouthpiece and a jazz mouthpiece would only get me one to two more notes, but it really helped with endurance, volume, and ease of playing in the upper register.
All my life I've been using 7c , please which of them is the best
i use a bach 1-1/2c and ive been playing trumpet for 4 years
That's awesome! I hope you're enjoying it; I find playing trumpet to often be quite fun and rewarding.
@@MSGrantMusicyes! playing trumpet is one of my favorite things too and i love my 1-1/2c!
@@MSGrantMusici also played on a 7c for a year and when i got my first 3c i didn’t like it at all 😂 eventually i realized how much better it was lol
You think i should i take a trumpet class in college its been a long time since i played the trumpet but i really want to relearn it idk what to do
Hello, great content thank you for all you do! What do you think of Yamaha 14B4 ?? Any experience with Yamaha mouthpieces? I have been playing for 4 years
Thank you so much! The 14B4 is very similar to the Bach 3C, in terms of the rim and the cup. TL;DR: It's typically a very reliable mouthpiece! The main difference is that the Yamaha doesn't have as much bite, meaning it's going to feel smoother on the lips than a Bach. "Bite" is not a term I mentioned in the video - since I focused on Bach's numbering system and Bachs generally have the same bite - but it's the term used to define the point there the rim turns into the cup. Bach mouthpieces have a more defined point between the rim and cup (in other words, they have more bite) whereas Yamaha mouthpieces are more rounded ans seamless between the rim and the cup (they have less bite). The bite is one of the aspects of the mouthpiece that is typically up to a player's preference, whereas the dimensions of the rim and the cup have more quantifiable effects on the aspects of playing described in the video. Thank you for the question! I hope it helps!
@@MSGrantMusic this is spot on, no wonder I find my yamaha bobby shew lead so much more comfortable than my bach 3c.
hey man! i’m 5 years out of high school where i used to play on a small bore tenor trombone with a 6.5AL mouthpiece. now i’ve picked up the trumpet so that i can teach my little brother how to play before he enters high school! i’m currently using a yamaha 11b4 mouthpiece which came with the trumpet, should i switch to a 5b or 3c considering that i’ve had previous experience with brass instruments? and which mouthpiece should my little brother start with? he’s turning 13 this month! thanks again!
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Hi, John! Thanks for your patience. It's ultimately up to you, but the more experience you have, the more variables are at play, but - at the same time - the more you can usually handle mouthpieces with shallower cups. I can't tell you definitively what to do because I'd have to hear you play to know how your experience has affected your growth, but for most of my students in that situation (especially if they switched from a trombone), I'd ask them to try out a 3c and see if we hear or feel any differences - particularly if they sounded any warmer compared to the 11b4. But even if you do switch, hold onto the 11b4... it might help you in jazz band or marching band down the road! About your brother, Happy Birthday to him! I'd try out the 5b for him and see how he does with it!
@@MSGrantMusic sounds good!! thank you so much!!
The thing I see so many people get wrong is that sound doesn't automatically mean you're a master of the trumpet. I'm exagerating here a bit but, you can sound like arturo sandoval when you start and you have no idea what the basics are.
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i asked for a beginner mouthpiece because i’m just starting and they gave me a 7c. should i try to learn it or get a 5b?
Is 5c mouth piece good or bad?
I play a pretty deep mouthpiece and really like the sound it produces, I just physically can't play on a 7c and sound decent/be happy with it.
Would getting a new mouthpiece also help to actually sound nicer and avoid the crunchy cracky sounds when trying to it a higher note?
It certainly can! "Help" is the key word. A new mouthpiece is an equipment change. So it may become easier or harder to achieve something depending on how well your equipment lines up with your goals, but ultimately the user of the equipment is going to be the one making the feats. If you're specifically switching from a 7c to a 5b, for example, it will be easier to sound warmer and your articulation generally won't feel or sound as heavy.
I hope it helps! Happy practicing!
If we are talking about beginners, concert band literature which actually tends to be more vocal-like concerning composition, and blending with woodwinds, I would skip trumpet entirely and have them play cornet with a 4 or 4.5 Denis Wick mouthpiece.
Getting an entire band on cornets with a Wick mouthpiece would definitely be quite a different experience than what we mostly have now! Warmer sounds and cleaner-sounding articulation in most cases would be so much easier
@@MSGrantMusic amen!
Well it all depends on your job I'm not in the army any more and I'm not a feald trumpet player but just look at the mouthpiece catalog the diameter of the 7c is 41 many great players play sum versions of this oohh like doc severson just look at the piket trumpet catalog or look on the Bob Reaves
Hello sir , I really desire to learn how to play trumpet, yet I don't know how to go about It , the trumpet am training myself with is not producing harmonize sound I need a help on how to go about it sir!
Hi! The first video in this series is a "How To Play The Trumpet" video for beginners, so if you haven't seen it yet, it might be helpful to watch it! Here is the video: ruclips.net/video/FFJ4FGlW5Zo/видео.html
I'm also going to be releasing a lot more videos later this year about what to focus on to improve on the trumpet, so if you're subscribed to my channel then you'll see them when they come out. I hope they help you as well!
how do i get a trumpet
😢I hard getting other mouthpieces in Nigeria 😢
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i have really big lips, should i go lower than a 5b
Please I couldn't get 5b or i could get is 5c, are they dsame.
The 5c has a shallower cup. You'll be alright with a 5c, but if you want a 5b there is a link in the description of this video taking you to an Amazon listing of the 5b!
i use a 7c trumpet mouthpiece on my mellophone
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Nice! I commend you for taking the challenge in the video!
Let's run the likes to 1k... I've been with 7c all my life and just can't wait to know the ones you use
get this comment to 1000k subs!
I'm a woodwind btw
the 7C was somehow pretty easy for me.
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Bachs have too much bite for me. And yes, a brittle sound. Even a 3C. I've played Bachs for decades -- amateur -- and had no formal training. I drilled Arban's as a kid. I'm on the way back to playing and it's only been the last few years that I have been trying different pieces. I wish I had tried a wider range of products when I was younger. I recently picked up a Wick 1-1/4C from a remainders bin. I get a fantastic tone, even in the transition above the staff. It's the only piece so far that lets me lip up a pedal C.
Valid, for sure! The bite is almost worth an entire video in itself, especially since, like you said, there is such a wider range of mouthpiece options nowadays. Certainly the Wick and Schilke mouthpieces feel quite different from the Bach in comparison. A lot of mouthpieces feel "softer" than the Bach mouthpieces because of the bite.
Don't really agree. A warm (or dull) sound is not the most important from the start. Instead you want a mp that doesn't make you strain, press too hard or let you get away with other bad habits. While I agree that the 7C is not the best, it has a shitty too round rim that digs in your flesh, with a too big diameter (especially for young kids) and a deep cup, requiring strength that may not be there, and the 5B has a nicer rim, the 5B is only slightly smaller and even deeper. Instead, I opt for a 10.5C. A smaller mouthpiece forces you to play correctly, it won't work if your embouchure is too open, while sparing what embouchure you have, avoiding strain. A too open embouchure is a source of many problems later on, especially with range. The cup on this thing is neither deep nor shallow, allowing for all music styles with a good and lively tone, the rim is very nice, identical to the 3C in fact and the diameter, while a hair smaller than the 3C is not too small to be played by almost all people. There is a reason this was one of the most popular mouthpieces before the big diameter craze began after Herseth hurt his lip. 5c vs 7C : trumpet.cloud/mpc/index.html?mpc1id=VA002700&mpc2id=VB002100&mpc2x=51&mpc2y=0
Me starting off as a woodwind 😂I cared by default lol
Nice, haha that is definitely a good thing!
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"A C-cup is the most common cup, but not necessarily the best cup"
Didn’t mention the worst thing about the 7c - sharp rim!
Haha! Definitely valid! Although the best fix for that though is to not play Bach at all, and find something like a Yamaha or Schilke mouthpiece!
I don't have that can of money
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After a bit I actually kind of like 7c.
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" - a begginer trumpet player who uses a 7c mouthpiece
You'll be okay - it's an easy fix!
Saying a 7c is bad is like saying a size 10 shoe size is bad. It fits some but not all. It is common that most people don't know how to choose a mouthpiece that fits their lips. Thick lips low bach number. Thin lips higher bach number. Check out Stork mouthpiece videos for a full explaination.
That's actually exactly what I'm saying. An important part of your analogy, though, is that a 10 shoe size is bad for the vast majority of people within a specific age group in a specific environment for which that shoe would be too big. Starting with a shoe size that would fit many more people within that average group would cause a significantly higher number of those people to be properly sized and puts everyone else in a much closer ballpark, giving them a much better chance at success navigating in that shoe. This is the message, just with mouthpieces. Thanks for watching and commenting - I appreciate your time!