I am a immigrant to NZ but if i commit a serious crime here . I don't deserve to be here. I am in nz very grateful to be here. So respect Australia when you go there
This video should be used in Universities and schools to illustrate the devastating effect of Liberal White Guilt . And how it undermines Reason and logical thinking .
Excuse me!?! I am a 501. Do you know what led me to this world? Since you know none of us, who are you to judge? I am Mark Chopper Reads adopted little sister but does that make me less human? I did my time like everyone else. Then I'm handed a life sentence to go to a country you don't know or remember and no family or friends to speak of. I did 1 year in jail but haven't been in trouble since. Always worked etc. It's like double jeopardy but it's illegal. Human Rights will make the Australian government pay anyway. That means you Mr and Mrs I have never done anything wrong. Holier than thou I think not! Judgemental and disrespectful ppl is why this world is going down the toilet fast!!!
@@nicolesutoriusYou are a citizen of another country. You were sent back to the country the citizenship of which you hold. That is not a criminal punishment. It may hurt you on a personal level, but you are a free person in the country of which you are a citizen. Terminating the right to stay of foreign nationals is the sovereign right of every country, and every government in the world holds up that right. If the law provides for a foreign national to be deported under certain circumstances - and surely criminal convictions are a very good reason to do so - there is absolutely no human rights violation in sight. You don't have a case. (And yes, I am a lawyer.)
My life has changed hugely since I've been here. Being deported also saved my life, so I'm grateful. I'm settled and working now and proud of the person i am. All i want is to be able to visit or at least go to funerals of close family. I've had my father, step father and brother pass away and I didn't get to say goodbye. It broke my fathers heart that i couldn't be there. I don't want to come back to live, I doubt i would survive. I'm not that strong yet. Murderers etc still get to say goodbye. Those, i think, would be human rights? If not it should be. My parents are all citizens of Australia and New Zealand. @HS-wp5vb
@@nicolesutorius I can fully understand that and empathize with you. It is good that returning to NZ changed your life to the better. If returning to Australia were to be allowed, truth is that many people would simply stay in Australia and would need to be deported a second time, possibly after re-offending. I'm not saying that is true in your case. But in many cases, it will be just that. As a government, you have to take a policy decision. The Australian government took the policy decision that they will deport criminals. This may be harsh for those affected. Also, your familiy can come visit you in New Zealand for as long as they are fit to fly. (This is not a legalistic debate, though as far as human rights are concerned , there is no right of entry into foreign territory.)
@HS-wp5vb I absolutely agree! Most of the ppl I have been deported with I wouldn't have in my own home. Few and far between anyway. All I would really want is to be able to come for funerals etc. If I came back to Aus I fear I wouldn't be strong enough to stay in the 'right' lane, so to speak. If it was me having to choose weather to deport or not, I would have deported me too! So, for me, it's time to do better and show the world I am. And keep pushing for these basics for only ppl that don't re-offend once deported. Say, no trouble for 10 years. Sounds fair....I digress...
Thank God they was not deported to Mexico , like the American government does, NZ looks more like a better country , dont take a country that welcomed you for granted , its a gift of compassion, not an entitlement
Trash is murderers, rapists, drug traffickers/pushers etc heinous crimes. Not wearing a bike helmet is absurd. Is it every country or is only nzers targeted. Seems a bit harsh
As a kid growing up in New Zealand 40 years ago, nearly everyone rode a bike. No one wore Helmets. You're exactly right though - it's not a helmet issue. They're not interested in looking after the people, they're only interested in looking after themselves. When they've deported all the kiwis & the streets are still awash with meth - who are they gonna blame then? "For our struggle is not of flesh and blood but against the authorities" - Ephesians 6:12.
I know a guy who got deported from Melbourne, Aus to NZ for driving unlicensed. His reason? He taking his pregnant wife (my sister) to the hospital. They ended up escorting him the way and served him with a notice to appear though he still got deported. As a Australian I am ashamed how corrupt our government and judicial system is! Statistics say they have deported nearly 4,000 “criminals” though it makes you wonder how many of them are actually “criminals” yet the media will say ALL of them are
@Asbestosx it does make you wonder. In the 80s when I came over. Kiwis were welcomed because they had a hard working reputation. Then through the 90s I heard too many were leaving nz and deals were made, new policies were introduced to make it harder. Yet nz had opened up and made it easier for many countries to migrate there. So I don't think there was a labour shortage. By the end of the 90s it all got changed to visas and no benefits if you became unemployed or required health assistance. Since then I'd met alot of people who migrated to nz in the early 90s became citizens and moved to Australia as a nz citizen able to access benefits available then. So I can see why it was stopped as many used nz as a stepping stone to Australia. Except it ruined it for everyone. I was one of the lucky ones who had settled here before the new law changes so didn't affect my status. I have heard in recent weeks 501 policies have been changed so established kiwis with their family here especially if they have children and no one in nz won't be deported but haven't seen all the details on it. I know whole families that moved here had there children here and are now adults that can't access any help for health reasons or job loss. Doesn't seem fair if they've worked hard, contributed in some way and paid their taxes. The pattern I see worldwide is countries make it hard for citizens and don't help them as much when needed. Is where alot leave their country. Yet migrants from certain countries are welcomed in with many benefits, incentives and help. Doesn't make sense. People are constantly moving around to seek a better life elsewhere. As we see today. Instead of helping the citizens or people already established in the country. Looks like a never ending saga with no real solutions. Sorry to hear about your sisters experience. It would of been hard and stressful for her having a baby dealing with all that
@@martyknox2218 The biblical quote is incomplete and used partialy. Helmet laws have been in place since the 1960's. You do a crime in any country of residence your going to get sent home....not just Australia.
Are you serious? The guy wasn't imprisoned for not wearing a bike helmet. FFS he was found guilty of a felony and sentenced to prison so this was a serious crime.
As a kiwi, I agree 100%. You’re a visitor to Australia, it’s just like if you got a working visa in every other country (which nzers are entitled to get automatically), that doesn’t mean that they are supposed to legally required troublemakers, they should be deported for breaking the terms of the visa.
Everyone here who was deported is only sorry because they got caught and deported. You do the crime, you do the time and pay for the consequences. Sorry for the separation with the family but that's your doing. Being deported to NZ is actually good. You now in a beautiful country and your family can come see you or relocate to NZ, there are worse things in the world than this.
What a creepy documentary. These people are criminals. What do you expect? The degree of compassion shown here for criminals and the callous disregard for their victims is just awful. New Zealand is not on the dark side of the moon. If their family wants to keep in touch with their criminal loved ones, hop on a plane and fly over to Kiwiland.
It’s just like that in NZ, people are sympathetic to criminals and blame society for their shortcomings. Kiwis would almost always side with criminals rather than victims and that’s why ram raiding is financially viable. You can ram raid 3 times, get caught and still not be in jail if you shed a tear in court.
@@riptyurass302Mhm interesting. I literally live on the other side of the planet. I never figured it was like that in NZ. Well, every nation gets what it deserves, that's democracy. For me, surely this is one of the lessons from Australia. At some point the Aussies were so fed up they changed their government, and the government changed the policies. It seems Aussies are pretty content with that.
I haven’t much sympathy when I was 13 I ran away from an Aussie boys home got a job & flew to Nxz when caught I was put in Addington prison & because I used a false name deported So I Think they get what they deserve
@@nicolesutorius Exactly. Thirteen year olds traveling the world on forged passports shouldn't really be a problem, especially with human trafficking being a thing. Not wearing a bike helmet is a very serious issue however. This type of reckless behavior puts the whole world at risk! 🤣🤦♂️
simple fix... do the right thing and you will be ok. do the wrong thing and you can go home and dont come back. dont complain about it its your own fault.
People within government factions need to understand that we are human and stop using what they have to there advantage when they clearly know that what they are doing is wrong.
I have never had help through any government funded agecy in reguards to housing or getting me a job and ive been in the system ever since i was a youth and all the help that i should of been provided from way back then im still waiting for now im now 38yrs of age do good things really take time
Why on earth does New Zealand allow Aussies to stay if they commit crimes? I have no understanding for this. If you go to another country, show respect.
Because there are significantly less Australian citizens that commit crimes in NZ than kiwis who move to Australia. The reason is because the majority of Australian that move to Nz are rich folk who want to retire, most kiwis who live in Australia are doing so for financial reason or having trouble finding work with their criminal history in Nz. Also, the agreement is incredibly beneficial for NZ compared to Australia. 10x more kiwis live in OZ than OZs living in NZ. This is despite Australia being 5x bigger in population. The trans Tasman agreement is largely beneficial to NZ and if Australia pulled out, very little would be lost for AU compared to NZ.
50 years of being here tells me that if you play up, look out if you're not a citizen or duel. Aotearoa is beautiful. Born there but came here to look and stayed. ❤ life's what you make of it. I'm old but warm in Queensland ❤
Learn from this america. This is why Australia is such a beautiful place to live in because of honest caring no nonsense politicians. This is what Trump will be when voted into office in 2024 as president of the country.
The rule of law has been applied. People must know that the application of the rule of law is paramount in any functioning democracy. Else its anarchy. I feel for the affected individuals, but they DECIDED to commit crimes. What did they THINK would happen? They probably didn't think... It's down to them. M 🦘🏏😎 1
I am a immigrant to NZ but if i commit a serious crime here . I don't deserve to be here. I am in nz very grateful to be here. So respect Australia when you go there
Think of the victims not the perpetrators
What about the poor victims these non citizens have inflicted their crimes on ?
Great policy....
If you break the law,
Its time to go home...
Peter Dutton Australian politician said they are TRASH He was right i have met a couple of theses things
Absolutely. No sympathy for these peasants
This video should be used in Universities and schools to illustrate the devastating effect of Liberal White Guilt . And how it undermines Reason and logical
thinking .
Isn't that what happened when u commit a crime, be it big or small, there is a chance you get deported.
they deport people for not wearing an helmet on bike for fuck sake
@@anshtyagi1178 what's wrong with that? who wants to clean your brain on the floor???
Lots of opportunities before committing a crime !!!
Excuse me!?! I am a 501. Do you know what led me to this world? Since you know none of us, who are you to judge? I am Mark Chopper Reads adopted little sister but does that make me less human? I did my time like everyone else. Then I'm handed a life sentence to go to a country you don't know or remember and no family or friends to speak of. I did 1 year in jail but haven't been in trouble since. Always worked etc. It's like double jeopardy but it's illegal. Human Rights will make the Australian government pay anyway. That means you Mr and Mrs I have never done anything wrong. Holier than thou I think not! Judgemental and disrespectful ppl is why this world is going down the toilet fast!!!
@@nicolesutoriusYou are a citizen of another country. You were sent back to the country the citizenship of which you hold. That is not a criminal punishment. It may hurt you on a personal level, but you are a free person in the country of which you are a citizen. Terminating the right to stay of foreign nationals is the sovereign right of every country, and every government in the world holds up that right. If the law provides for a foreign national to be deported under certain circumstances - and surely criminal convictions are a very good reason to do so - there is absolutely no human rights violation in sight. You don't have a case. (And yes, I am a lawyer.)
My life has changed hugely since I've been here. Being deported also saved my life, so I'm grateful. I'm settled and working now and proud of the person i am. All i want is to be able to visit or at least go to funerals of close family. I've had my father, step father and brother pass away and I didn't get to say goodbye. It broke my fathers heart that i couldn't be there. I don't want to come back to live, I doubt i would survive. I'm not that strong yet. Murderers etc still get to say goodbye. Those, i think, would be human rights? If not it should be. My parents are all citizens of Australia and New Zealand. @HS-wp5vb
@@nicolesutorius I can fully understand that and empathize with you. It is good that returning to NZ changed your life to the better.
If returning to Australia were to be allowed, truth is that many people would simply stay in Australia and would need to be deported a second time, possibly after re-offending. I'm not saying that is true in your case. But in many cases, it will be just that. As a government, you have to take a policy decision. The Australian government took the policy decision that they will deport criminals. This may be harsh for those affected. Also, your familiy can come visit you in New Zealand for as long as they are fit to fly.
(This is not a legalistic debate, though as far as human rights are concerned , there is no right of entry into foreign territory.)
@HS-wp5vb I absolutely agree! Most of the ppl I have been deported with I wouldn't have in my own home. Few and far between anyway. All I would really want is to be able to come for funerals etc. If I came back to Aus I fear I wouldn't be strong enough to stay in the 'right' lane, so to speak. If it was me having to choose weather to deport or not, I would have deported me too! So, for me, it's time to do better and show the world I am. And keep pushing for these basics for only ppl that don't re-offend once deported. Say, no trouble for 10 years. Sounds fair....I digress...
Thank God they was not deported to Mexico , like the American government does, NZ looks more like a better country , dont take a country that welcomed you for granted , its a gift of compassion, not an entitlement
Trash is murderers, rapists, drug traffickers/pushers etc heinous crimes. Not wearing a bike helmet is absurd. Is it every country or is only nzers targeted. Seems a bit harsh
As a kid growing up in New Zealand 40 years ago, nearly everyone rode a bike. No one wore Helmets. You're exactly right though - it's not a helmet issue. They're not interested in looking after the people, they're only interested in looking after themselves. When they've deported all the kiwis & the streets are still awash with meth - who are they gonna blame then?
"For our struggle is not of flesh and blood but against the authorities" - Ephesians 6:12.
I know a guy who got deported from Melbourne, Aus to NZ for driving unlicensed. His reason? He taking his pregnant wife (my sister) to the hospital.
They ended up escorting him the way and served him with a notice to appear though he still got deported.
As a Australian I am ashamed how corrupt our government and judicial system is! Statistics say they have deported nearly 4,000 “criminals” though it makes you wonder how many of them are actually “criminals” yet the media will say ALL of them are
@Asbestosx it does make you wonder. In the 80s when I came over. Kiwis were welcomed because they had a hard working reputation. Then through the 90s I heard too many were leaving nz and deals were made, new policies were introduced to make it harder. Yet nz had opened up and made it easier for many countries to migrate there. So I don't think there was a labour shortage. By the end of the 90s it all got changed to visas and no benefits if you became unemployed or required health assistance. Since then I'd met alot of people who migrated to nz in the early 90s became citizens and moved to Australia as a nz citizen able to access benefits available then. So I can see why it was stopped as many used nz as a stepping stone to Australia. Except it ruined it for everyone. I was one of the lucky ones who had settled here before the new law changes so didn't affect my status. I have heard in recent weeks 501 policies have been changed so established kiwis with their family here especially if they have children and no one in nz won't be deported but haven't seen all the details on it. I know whole families that moved here had there children here and are now adults that can't access any help for health reasons or job loss. Doesn't seem fair if they've worked hard, contributed in some way and paid their taxes. The pattern I see worldwide is countries make it hard for citizens and don't help them as much when needed. Is where alot leave their country. Yet migrants from certain countries are welcomed in with many benefits, incentives and help. Doesn't make sense. People are constantly moving around to seek a better life elsewhere. As we see today. Instead of helping the citizens or people already established in the country. Looks like a never ending saga with no real solutions. Sorry to hear about your sisters experience. It would of been hard and stressful for her having a baby dealing with all that
@@martyknox2218 The biblical quote is incomplete and used partialy. Helmet laws have been in place since the 1960's. You do a crime in any country of residence your going to get sent home....not just Australia.
Are you serious? The guy wasn't imprisoned for not wearing a bike helmet. FFS he was found guilty of a felony and sentenced to prison so this was a serious crime.
As a kiwi, I agree 100%. You’re a visitor to Australia, it’s just like if you got a working visa in every other country (which nzers are entitled to get automatically), that doesn’t mean that they are supposed to legally required troublemakers, they should be deported for breaking the terms of the visa.
Everyone here who was deported is only sorry because they got caught and deported. You do the crime, you do the time and pay for the consequences. Sorry for the separation with the family but that's your doing. Being deported to NZ is actually good. You now in a beautiful country and your family can come see you or relocate to NZ, there are worse things in the world than this.
What a creepy documentary. These people are criminals. What do you expect? The degree of compassion shown here for criminals and the callous disregard for their victims is just awful. New Zealand is not on the dark side of the moon. If their family wants to keep in touch with their criminal loved ones, hop on a plane and fly over to Kiwiland.
It’s just like that in NZ, people are sympathetic to criminals and blame society for their shortcomings. Kiwis would almost always side with criminals rather than victims and that’s why ram raiding is financially viable. You can ram raid 3 times, get caught and still not be in jail if you shed a tear in court.
@@riptyurass302Mhm interesting. I literally live on the other side of the planet. I never figured it was like that in NZ. Well, every nation gets what it deserves, that's democracy. For me, surely this is one of the lessons from Australia. At some point the Aussies were so fed up they changed their government, and the government changed the policies. It seems Aussies are pretty content with that.
I haven’t much sympathy when I was 13 I ran away from an Aussie boys home got a job & flew to Nxz when caught I was put in Addington prison & because I used a false name deported So I Think they get what they deserve
You'd rather judge ppl you have never met? Wow just wow!
@@nicolesutorius Exactly. Thirteen year olds traveling the world on forged passports shouldn't really be a problem, especially with human trafficking being a thing. Not wearing a bike helmet is a very serious issue however. This type of reckless behavior puts the whole world at risk! 🤣🤦♂️
simple fix... do the right thing and you will be ok. do the wrong thing and you can go home and dont come back. dont complain about it its your own fault.
They can enjoy their Mauri heritage more in NZ ? A good thing surely .?
People within government factions need to understand that we are human and stop using what they have to there advantage when they clearly know that what they are doing is wrong.
Ive been in boys homes and in and out of prison and they knew i dont really know what else to say.
I have never had help through any government funded agecy in reguards to housing or getting me a job and ive been in the system ever since i was a youth and all the help that i should of been provided from way back then im still waiting for now im now 38yrs of age do good things really take time
Hello darkness my old friend ❤
Why on earth does New Zealand allow Aussies to stay if they commit crimes? I have no understanding for this. If you go to another country, show respect.
Because there are significantly less Australian citizens that commit crimes in NZ than kiwis who move to Australia.
The reason is because the majority of Australian that move to Nz are rich folk who want to retire, most kiwis who live in Australia are doing so for financial reason or having trouble finding work with their criminal history in Nz.
Also, the agreement is incredibly beneficial for NZ compared to Australia. 10x more kiwis live in OZ than OZs living in NZ. This is despite Australia being 5x bigger in population.
The trans Tasman agreement is largely beneficial to NZ and if Australia pulled out, very little would be lost for AU compared to NZ.
50 years of being here tells me that if you play up, look out if you're not a citizen or duel. Aotearoa is beautiful.
Born there but came here to look and stayed.
❤ life's what you make of it. I'm old but warm in Queensland ❤
ZERO sympathy.
Arohamai Brothers. Some of us are 501 on our own land. Na te Atua i Manaaki❤
Learn from this america. This is why Australia is such a beautiful place to live in because of honest caring no nonsense politicians. This is what Trump will be when voted into office in 2024 as president of the country.
It's over the Ditch not Europe nor Africa.
Be brave like the victims of crimes committed.
I'm
Blunt because God rolled me that way.❤
The rule of law has been applied.
People must know that the application of the rule of law is paramount in any functioning democracy. Else its anarchy.
I feel for the affected individuals, but they DECIDED to commit crimes. What did they THINK would happen? They probably didn't think... It's down to them.
M 🦘🏏😎 1
If it was actually a functioning democracy Mark, you wouldn't have a Meth epidemic. Cool story though 😎🦇