I guess all of the naysayers would rather “Boom’s” jet fail miserably than applaud the fact that there is someone/company that is at least trying. What’s with such bitter “aviation enthusiasts”? Progress will never be made if nothing is done. Really. Besides that, thanks DJ for your coverage of the air show and all you do to inform us about so much. Good job!
You misunderstand, there are those of us who are critical for good reason. It's not that we want to see it fail or hope it will. There are very legitimate concerns had by industry insiders and professionals about the viability let alone market for such an aircraft. There is a reason the SST craze failed and there is a reason the Concord was retired. To ignore not just the practical but legislative hurdles Boom has to overcome to not just make it to market but, also be successful enough to see a return to advance the business is naive thinking.
@@FloorItDuh This has been said for years and somehow they continue to progress. I want aviation to progress. At least “Boom” is trying. That is the point I was trying to make. Let them try. They need our support rather than all the doom and gloom that aviation “enthusiasts” decry.
I think some of the reason is that designing a supersonic passenger jet is quite unsuited to the Startup company structure that Boom is. Concorde for example required two major countries as backing for it to succeed. This is because it is very capital intensive, and when something doesn’t work, more capital is required. In startups, frequently when things don’t go well, the company is simply written off. Overall, this doesn’t bode well for the overall success of this endeavor.
Boom will have to convince the FAA that over-the-air software updates are safe and secure. That's going to be (or should be) a *very* high hurdle to get over. When I worked for Boeing, making sure that airplanes couldn't be hacked was becoming a pretty big deal. An over-the-air update function is an obvious channel for hackers to exploit. Also, all updates need to be tested to ensure they are working correctly, especially on a commercial airliner. Updating over-the-air leaves me feeling that testing may not be adequate. I'm also not enthused about relying on touch screens. Physical controls for flight-critical systems are 100% necessary, so I hope Boom follows through with that.. Touch screens, while cool, are prone to fail. Making a "cool" flight deck, rather than a functional and safe flight deck, makes me wonder how serious Boom is about actually developing a real, commercially successful, airliner. Hopefully, they can develop one that is functional, safe, *and* cool. I wish them success.
@@linsen8890 OTAs are honestly pointless. Like how hard is it to physically send drives containing the update to the half dozen or so operators and have technicians update them?
@@IndianGeek5589 Well, in fact, there are several dozen airlines around the world with many thousands of technicians that have to maintain tens of thousands of airplanes scattered at hundreds of airports and maintenance bases around the world. Sending physical media to all of those locations is actually quite difficult, expensive, and time consuming. I know - for over 30 years, I was part of a team that developed maintenance software for Boeing that was sold to the airlines. The first versions of that software were distributed via CD-ROM, then DVDs. Preparing that media for distribution and then sending it all over the world took a team of around 15 people - and that was just the executables. The data was a much, much bigger problem. Most people don't know that the airplanes for every airline are different, and even different sets of the same model of airplane at the same airline are different, so the maintenance data for every model of airplane is customized for each airline and block of airplanes at each airline. So, for example, the maintenance data for a set of 777's at United Airlines is different than the maintenance data for 777's at British Airways. The maintenance data for each model of airplane for each airline amounts to several gigabytes, and it is updated quarterly (with interim updates, called Temporary Revisions, sent as-needed). Sending that data everywhere it needs to go is/was a huge job. Now, the airlines access all of that maintenance data through some pretty high-powered web applications, so distributing it isn't as big a problem now. For updating software and data actually onboard the airplanes (and there's a lot!), Boeing and Airbus have processes in place that (when I was still working at Boeing anyway) still required sending physical media to the airlines. Like it used to be for maintenance data, the processes for updating onboard software and data are pretty expensive and time-consuming for the manufacturers and for the airlines, and at the time I left Boeing, airlines were looking into and experimenting with updating over-the-air or through a physical network connection from airplanes at the gate to the airline's airport intranet. OTA updates at airports were problematic, because there is so much electromagnetic interference at airports from radars, generators, etc. The security aspects of updating over the air or through a local intranet connection were just beginning to be considered. That was 10+ years ago. I don't know how much progress, if any, has been made on it since then. Maintaining commercial airliners is a highly regulated business and much more complicated than most people know.
It’s only a difference in the delivery mechanism. If attackers can mess with the build pipeline that’s bad news even if the updates are installed by a guy with a laptop, and if they can’t, they can’t do much with a signed update going through the network. In fact the “guy with the laptop” setup probably has a larger attack surface with all those low-level protocols exposed when that laptop is compromised.
@@Penfold101 I disagree, Boom has been wildly successful - at separating investors from their money. Which is the whole point of boom. They've been in "business" for 10 years now, while burning through $700M.
Boom is one of those businesses that are big on headline grabbing announcements but light on actual achievements. This week we had the Superfactory finished but all it appears to be is an empty shed that cost $6 million. This is $6m out of a project that will cost what? $6 billion? $10 billion? Like Concorde, this is an aircraft with limited application, essentially the Atlantic. US West Coast to Japan needs a stop, US West Coast to Australia needs two. These stops will eat away at the speed advantage, remembering it is not only time on the ground that will be lost but the subsonic descent and climb and the longer indirect route. Meanwhile, subsonic airliners are cruising at Mach 0.85 all the way following a great circle route. As long as there are investors the project will continue.
Have you forgot they’ve already developed a fully working Aircraft? The testbed plane flies and is Mach 1 capable. More had gone into this project than you make it out to be
@@gammr3227 The test aircraft has flown once, way back in March. It is a small single seat aircraft powered by a trio of ancient GE J85 engines. It was far from fully working because the gear was not even retracted in that very brief 12-minute flight. Concorde's first flight was 62 minutes.
You are right, but I think you are still underestimating the cost of making a supersonic airliner. It takes Boeing and Airbus rather like 20 Billion these days to develop a completely new aircraft and for a supersonic jet you could easily double that. I think for about 50 Billion it should be doable. But only Airbus and Boeing have that kind of money at all, with Boom likely staying below 1 Billion in funding. This alone tells you that this project is dead on arrival.
@superdiomond2138 The point I was making is developing an airliners is very expensive. $10 billion, $20 is irrelevant. It is all beyond Boom, which is also going to develop the engine because those who know what is involved refused to do so.
Listen to this story as a non-professional layman's opinion. In the past, until the Shinkansen began operating in Japan, many pundits criticized the railroads as a leaning industry and a waste of the national budget. However, as you can see from looking around the world today, high-speed railroads are being built all over the world, creating new demand. In transportation, increased speed is synonymous with revolution, and the Shinkansen is a perfect example. Certainly, during the Concorde and B2707 periods, the attempts failed because the technical hurdles could not be overcome by the commercial benefits. However, it is also true that technology and knowledge have deepened since then. Japan built the Shinkansen as an extension of the technology it had accumulated and established since before World War II. It would not be surprising, then, if supersonic aircraft exist in the future as an extension of the technology that the aviation industry has accumulated over the past half century. Personally, I support Boom's cautious approach. At the same time, I believe that we should listen to the professionals working on the ground at the airlines that operate the aircraft. I hope that one day an overture with JAL's "Tsurumaru" painted on the vertical tail will land on Japanese soil.
I personally HOPE someone will come up with supersonics, current flight times are just far too long, like 10 hour flights are brutal. I don't want a bigger seat, I want to spend less time in a tube... I'd rather pay more to get there faster. 800 km/h is just archaic.
The trouble with their business plan is that to pay back 1st class tickets will have to be hideously expensive. And unlike in the Concord era their core mega-rich clientele that need to bite now has the luxury / option of having or chartering their own private jet to cross the atlantic, which unless time is REALLY so precious to them will be more attractive than potentially having to mix in non-VIP environments with the great unwashed... Times have changed. A mega-rich rock star in the 70's and 80's would no doubt cross the oceans supersonic on Concord, now they go on their private jets.
This will be interesting to see the future. Nice to see someone shake up the "duolopy", and try something new. There was a time when people rode in horse and buggy's and thought gas powered cars were a 'fad". Creating the future is hard, glad someone is at least trying. That is how
Except they are not shaking up the duopoly. Take Comac, they are attempting to do just that and are net even making a dent in it despite having a commercial product and billions in backing. Boom currently has nothing and keeps holding on to unrealistic timelines. Developing a new engine in less than 2 years for example is a near impossibility. They want to fly before the decade is over, but look at established companies like Airbus and Boeing, who have more money, resources and experience and look at what the development time for the A350 was or how long a simple re-engine and re-wing of the 777 is taking. If Boom succeeds, it might be by the end of the next decade. And then the question becomes: who will want to pay for it? Because that was the biggest problem with Concorde. Expensive tickets and very low demand. Furthermore, Boom is not even attempting to build an aircraft with a minimized sonic boom, which is limiting the routes it can fly. I also don't want to know how much fuel it is going to burn.
Even if Boom is successful (which I highly doubt will be), a low-capacity supersonic airliner will not "shake up the duopoly" between Airbus and Boeing. It will be an extremely small niche service in the context of global aviation. I honestly cannot think of a viable market for it, especially now that we have luxury suites and high-speed internet on subsonic airliners. (Due to thermodynamics, Boom will never be an "economy" service.)
I honestly do not know where the market for a low-capacity supersonic airliner would be, especially now that we have luxurious suites on subsonic airliners with beds and high-speed internet.
Of course it’s not a guarantee, but United demoed a first class similar to their Polaris and “economy” that’s like a compact first class with more storage. I’m betting that if these ever make it to production, there is absolutely no way you can make standby with seats filling quickly. 😂
This is and will continue to be fascinating. I live in the area of the superfactory and drive by it regularly. Have done some plane spotting and photography right next to it. It has altered the landscape at GSO dramatically, and in a positive way. The building shells are up, and the main HVAC units have recently been installed on the tops of the main building. It's going to be hard to track the progress inside the building now since there are doors though. I have time stamped photos of the building in drive bys over a good long period and it has been impressive. Will Overture ever fly? I sure hope so. It's going to be several years though, obviously. Interestingly, there is a large bridge built spanning other roads right next to the site. And the I-beams on that bridge are as large as another bridge for aircraft to access 5R at PTI. But the new bridge does not lead to an area that appears it could be used for aviation needs. Just a related note. Good Luck Boom. You need that and a lot of cash and time.
Right... developing engines from the ground up with limited funds! I wonder if they believe in Santa Clause as well? To design and build a fuel efficient high performance engine requires manufacturing expertise, manufacturing capabilities and experience well beyond what Boom can ever hope to muster and afford. This is not software were a few brilliant people and a server farm can change the world. Engines are very hard and costly item to develop. Their notion of accelerated development sounds like cold sweat desperation. No engines: No plane. It's that simple. Maybe they should procure themselves 4 refurbished F15 Pratt and Whitney F100-PW-229 engines to get a prototype in the air. Worrying about the cockpit layout and functionality and promising over the air software updates for a setup that has yet to be designed is really like putting the cart before the horse. It is useless info. This whole update feed from Boom is pure MBA marketing nonsense from people who have no idea what engineering is about. Boom is trying to milk clueless investors for more money. Good luck to them.
If they fail to develop capable engines then ba still has the olympus engines lying around says my late grandfather who worked for ba as an engineer. Tho using those would be terribly inefficient and push operating costs up to the point it would probably just be affordable by the rich again
I’m sceptical but hopeful. Question though, are there cockpit windows or is it a fully enclosed cockpit with digital/virtual display’s like remote control towers? None of the renderings seem to show cockpit windows.
personally, in light of boeing's reliability being put into question, i think its a good thing that boom is taking as much time as they need to perfect every component of the full product! i dont even care if the plane isnt off the ground by 2030 i would be much happier knowing they tested endlessly before shipping it out. think of it as tesla but for airplanes, they didnt release the model 3 until 2018 and had been a company since 2007!
This stage they don’t plan to fly supersonic over land. There is plenty of demand and as long as they can keep the operating costs per passenger reasonable enough, there is tons of demand. The Concord was a design of the 60’s, a lot of technology in aircraft has improved since then.
I can't see supersonic passenger flight being a thing. You'll have a hard time convincing governments that it's quiet enough for sonic booms not being an issue over land. A few years ago we had a fighter going supersonic over our house. (Some sort of security alert) and it shuck the windows. I wouldn't want that on a regular basis. Would airlines buy it specifically for flights that are almost entirely over water? Probably not. BA and Air France only got Concorde for political reasons
Workhorse planes like B737/A320 and B787/A350 make money for airlines..outside the box aircraft like A380 or supersonic are too niche and are too costly to purchase/maintain/etc, wish it was not the case…
@@bkkmj4250Emirates made 380 a workhorse bringing in serious money. Why not find a business case for that Boom thing - Hawaii, Korea, Japan, the Maldives, transatlantic...
@@xavermooshammer4816 because even then, the a380 works in more than one scenario, as long as they manage to fill it up, it serves both land, and ocean flights, while carrying more passengers than 6 overtures, that will chug fuel, and will likely not be allowed to flight inland.
@@michaelosgood9876 I'll believe that when I hear it, or more specifically, don't hear it. More importantly, it's whether governments think it's good enough.
I don't understand why the company would name it.After the single thing that people found most objectionable about supersonic jets : the sonic boom. It's like reminding people why it failed in the first place I've had super sonic jets, sonic booms over my house.And it's loud and it makes the windows rattle.And nobody wants to hear a sonic boom. . Just seems incredibly tone deaf.
@@lennywallace9201ambition does not do anything in an industry where there are not just practical but legislative concerns one must pass to make it to market. They can be ambitious all they want, it doesn't change the reality we occupy.
It will never exist or fly. Simple numbers: It takes Boeing and Airbus about 20 Billion $ theses days to create a completely new aircraft. And for all the additional hurdles of a supersonic jet you can easily double that. That means it should be doable for about 50 Billion. But Booms funding will likely stay below 1 Billion which means that this project is dead on arrival.
Even if it is not a total success, everything learned, new systems, new wing design, new engines all go on to further our knowledge of flight and aircraft to make things better in the future. So there is no fail, just some results may be better than others. But they all count, they all help, we learn more and more from every project. 8) --peace --gary
"Over-the-air" software updates? Think about the security risks a few seconds........that is not going to happen anytime in the foreseeable future. How will certification happen then? Will the FAA and the EASA then have to certify every update? How expensive will that be?
I think the same. A commercial airliner isn't a Tesla. Making sure the update process is secure and reliable is going to be a huge challenge, and getting the FAA to certify may be an even bigger challenge.
OTA updates are something that already happens on some planes. It does have to be initiated by maintenance but there's nothing you have to plug in to update things like nav databases other than clicking through menus. I could see it being used for more systems in the future other than just nav to reduce maintenance costs. There's already features being added to current aircraft systems for network security as well, possibly to expand on that for more systems down the road.
The number of people posting about sonic booms oblivious to the currently active NASA supersonic test bed that sounds no louder than a car door closing… boom is going to benefit from that platform. Countries will change regulations or be left without a new mode of transportation.
I don’t think tickets will be cheap though . I know they said it would be accessible for everyone price wise but in reality, I think only the wealth will be able to afford it
There is a problem with this in that on the other side there are like 200 slow giant man carrying quadcopter companies hoping to change aviation. That doesn’t clash with loud fast and expensive travel for the rich. One will succeed, the other will not.
I want to know the dimensions of the bathrooms on Boom Overture? Passengers on a flight that is more than an hour have to go to the bathroom. The bathrooms on many regional jets have a smaller ceiling hight than a Boeing 737 and Airbus a320 jets. So how easy is it to fit inside a Boom Overture bathroom?
The updates will be similar to what Tesla does with their cars. Very good control over the software and an efficient way to deliver the download to their aircraft. It still remains to be seen just how quiet this airplane will be at supersonic speeds. Its plan form does not seem to incorporate the same ideas as the Lockheed/NASA X-59 Technological Demonstrator. Likewise, it must be quiet!
Like the Concorde, sonic booms would only be approved over water and/or unpopulated areas. That’s not changing anytime soon. What Boom is trying to do, is make the Overture quieter during takeoff and landings and make it less polluting than the Concorde. One of the main reasons why the Concorde went under was ignorance. The very same people that didn’t want the Concorde, knew little to nothing about how it worked, let alone aviation in general. The accident only sealed it’s fate.
People don’t know about the NASA testbed aircraft currently operating above US cities that are nowhere near as loud as booms from older aircraft. Boom and other US aerospace corps will benefit from that research, it’s very quiet.
Only the ultra-rich will fly this jet. It might eat into the private jet space, but I doubt airlines that rely on widebody aircraft will be affected by this.
Because there is a market for it. When you think of it, surplus million dollar cars don’t seem commercially viable either. Nor do private jets, but they sell just fine.
Augmented reality viewed on a headset.....can you imagine how long just this one , untried , un test piece of kit will take to be approved by the FAA , EASA and there's no plan B because Overture doesn't have a variable angled nose.
Don’t think the plane will become certified and probably if the plane isn’t put in a museum if built at all, it’ll gather dust in Victorville or be scrapped
I am still not compelled by the profitability and feasibility of supersonic travel. The Concorde has proven that quicker commute doesn't necessarily translate into better safety. In fact, these cumbersome ponderous aircrafts are gas-guzzling and not commercially viable for carriera at all.
Computer operating systems are always under attack and are patched regularly. So to think they can developer one for the plane that is secure seems incredulous.
cockpit design is entirely irrelevant to their mission and it was not an actually good design, much like the garbage that is existing airliners designs, mainly the center console that only serves to make it difficult to access the seats. as for timelines, anyone that isn't just doing it instead of saying 10 years from now seems highly likely to fail. It doesn't take a lot of time to develop, it's trivial 1960s technology and we have computer simulation and fabrication now. Just do it.
i dont think it should be more towards Software side as one bad line of code could brick the whole plane there in delays and expensive repair look at the recent events of crowdstrike , yes i know different areas still it was a software issue
I mean these fellas at Boom have big balls no doubt. Developing any aircraft let alone a engine is nuts. I am sick of subsonic flight but to assume it will be available to the masses at a affordable price is unlikely with only 88 seats and 4 engines. That puppy is gonna cost a bundle to operate. Sooo I do not think the market is right or fit for this type of plane given lack of airport slots at major airports. It has alot of issues in its business case although you have to start small if you can call this small lol.
@@mustafashulqamy1844 remember the last COP 28? meeting in UAE... where one of the not meant to be exposed slides encouraged more fossil fuel use was to promote SST's?
I also am not satisfied that over the air software updating is secure enough for aircraft. Most especially for those as sophisticated and potentially vulnerable as a supersonic passenger jet. I seriously doubt that it can even be certified for use on an airplane. The commercial viability of a low capacity supersonic airliner, I thought had already been proven to be seriously questionable after Concorde. It may work as a limited production business jet though.
I highly doubt that this airplane will ever actually get into the sky and fly commercially. An aircraft that flies at supersonic speed but can only fit between 60 to 80 people is hardly economical at all.
They are still burning the midnight oil on this one. They might get to 80 percent, but ill still say they are going to merge with someone before completion, be it Airbus or COMAC-- With COMAC that's the way into western aircraft sales.
the way concorde took off to the skies is that they didn't look into pleasing everyone. if you start a project by looking into making everybody happy, that project is doomed from the start. personally, if my aim is to restart supersonic air travel, i would first put up in the air the technology that have been used so far, to get things going and in the meantime, work on improvements to retrofit the available models. BOOM will run out of money by trying to please everybody... based on what i've read, it's not even going to be as fast as Concorde was... then what is the point to all of this?!
Oh wow. All the reasons I said we will NEVER see this aircraft in service. And now ADDING augmented reality REQUIRED for takeoffs and landings. Just put all the investment money on a bonfire and get it over with.
😎I love progress and technology but supersonic flights ? I don’t need to fly from Abidjan to JFK in 3 or 4 hours…it’s ok for me in 9 1/2 or 10 1/2 hours. Myself and many other people enjoy the experience on Ethiopian Airlines.
ban the boom protests incoming. Concorde was met with the same grief back in the 60s when it was finally let loose. I say this but then again this thing has not got x4 olympus 593s strapped under it :p.
I am as dubious AF about all these Paradigm Shifting™ Envelope Expanding™ Super Rocket Hotdog Cowboy™ SST designs being anything more than investor traps at their worst, lets see how long the money lasts tech research loops at their best. I am very happy to be proven wrong.
@@markiangooleyNot big/powerful enough for an airliner. The Olympus engines modified for Concorde were off the very heavy Vulcan bomber. Things like that don't exist now. Nukes are delivered by missile.
@@roberthindle5146the only military engines that are still made and can are powerful enough are both Russian NK32 & 36, safe to say they ain’t getting those.
Boom will fail before they make a successful commercial flight. It’s just too much money to make the aircraft and too competitive. I do want them to succeed but I don’t think their aircraft will be the most effective and there will always be cheaper options.
I guess all of the naysayers would rather “Boom’s” jet fail miserably than applaud the fact that there is someone/company that is at least trying. What’s with such bitter “aviation enthusiasts”? Progress will never be made if nothing is done. Really. Besides that, thanks DJ for your coverage of the air show and all you do to inform us about so much. Good job!
Fr aviation enthusiasts have become redditors ever since Boeing crashes
You misunderstand, there are those of us who are critical for good reason. It's not that we want to see it fail or hope it will. There are very legitimate concerns had by industry insiders and professionals about the viability let alone market for such an aircraft. There is a reason the SST craze failed and there is a reason the Concord was retired. To ignore not just the practical but legislative hurdles Boom has to overcome to not just make it to market but, also be successful enough to see a return to advance the business is naive thinking.
@@FloorItDuh Someone is trying to build a supersonic passenger airliner. Thats all I need to hear to cheer for them.
@@FloorItDuh This has been said for years and somehow they continue to progress. I want aviation to progress. At least “Boom” is trying. That is the point I was trying to make. Let them try. They need our support rather than all the doom and gloom that aviation “enthusiasts” decry.
I think some of the reason is that designing a supersonic passenger jet is quite unsuited to the Startup company structure that Boom is. Concorde for example required two major countries as backing for it to succeed. This is because it is very capital intensive, and when something doesn’t work, more capital is required. In startups, frequently when things don’t go well, the company is simply written off. Overall, this doesn’t bode well for the overall success of this endeavor.
Boom will have to convince the FAA that over-the-air software updates are safe and secure. That's going to be (or should be) a *very* high hurdle to get over. When I worked for Boeing, making sure that airplanes couldn't be hacked was becoming a pretty big deal. An over-the-air update function is an obvious channel for hackers to exploit. Also, all updates need to be tested to ensure they are working correctly, especially on a commercial airliner. Updating over-the-air leaves me feeling that testing may not be adequate. I'm also not enthused about relying on touch screens. Physical controls for flight-critical systems are 100% necessary, so I hope Boom follows through with that.. Touch screens, while cool, are prone to fail. Making a "cool" flight deck, rather than a functional and safe flight deck, makes me wonder how serious Boom is about actually developing a real, commercially successful, airliner. Hopefully, they can develop one that is functional, safe, *and* cool. I wish them success.
@@linsen8890 OTAs are honestly pointless. Like how hard is it to physically send drives containing the update to the half dozen or so operators and have technicians update them?
@@IndianGeek5589 Well, in fact, there are several dozen airlines around the world with many thousands of technicians that have to maintain tens of thousands of airplanes scattered at hundreds of airports and maintenance bases around the world. Sending physical media to all of those locations is actually quite difficult, expensive, and time consuming. I know - for over 30 years, I was part of a team that developed maintenance software for Boeing that was sold to the airlines. The first versions of that software were distributed via CD-ROM, then DVDs. Preparing that media for distribution and then sending it all over the world took a team of around 15 people - and that was just the executables. The data was a much, much bigger problem. Most people don't know that the airplanes for every airline are different, and even different sets of the same model of airplane at the same airline are different, so the maintenance data for every model of airplane is customized for each airline and block of airplanes at each airline. So, for example, the maintenance data for a set of 777's at United Airlines is different than the maintenance data for 777's at British Airways. The maintenance data for each model of airplane for each airline amounts to several gigabytes, and it is updated quarterly (with interim updates, called Temporary Revisions, sent as-needed). Sending that data everywhere it needs to go is/was a huge job. Now, the airlines access all of that maintenance data through some pretty high-powered web applications, so distributing it isn't as big a problem now. For updating software and data actually onboard the airplanes (and there's a lot!), Boeing and Airbus have processes in place that (when I was still working at Boeing anyway) still required sending physical media to the airlines. Like it used to be for maintenance data, the processes for updating onboard software and data are pretty expensive and time-consuming for the manufacturers and for the airlines, and at the time I left Boeing, airlines were looking into and experimenting with updating over-the-air or through a physical network connection from airplanes at the gate to the airline's airport intranet. OTA updates at airports were problematic, because there is so much electromagnetic interference at airports from radars, generators, etc. The security aspects of updating over the air or through a local intranet connection were just beginning to be considered. That was 10+ years ago. I don't know how much progress, if any, has been made on it since then. Maintaining commercial airliners is a highly regulated business and much more complicated than most people know.
It’s only a difference in the delivery mechanism. If attackers can mess with the build pipeline that’s bad news even if the updates are installed by a guy with a laptop, and if they can’t, they can’t do much with a signed update going through the network. In fact the “guy with the laptop” setup probably has a larger attack surface with all those low-level protocols exposed when that laptop is compromised.
OTA update concerns: founded
The rest: 🤡
@@qwerty112311touch screen concerns are %100 valid
Hopefully they don't employ Crowdstrike to manage their software updates!
It could happen to other softwares too
Also isnt it an ironic name crowd STRIKE
Thanks for the Boom update.
God forbid they have a crash they’re really going to regret that name “Boom."
So funny but so true at the same time cause u said boom
I 100% believe in Boom Supersonic and I'm rooting for them all the way!
So excited and proud to work at StandardAero to support the new Symphony engine!!! 😀😃
Ah yes Boom Supersonic aka the Hyperloop of the skies.
The TITAN submersible of the skies maybe....
Hyperloop isn't really comparable to supersonic passenger transport.
@@moekitsuneit’s literally what they tried to market it as to anyone without a brain.
Boom will be as successful as hyperloop was.
@@Penfold101 I disagree, Boom has been wildly successful - at separating investors from their money. Which is the whole point of boom. They've been in "business" for 10 years now, while burning through $700M.
It’s engines are designed to burn dumb Venture capital
I hope that they make it!
Me too
This is just awesome to see this tech come back
Boom is one of those businesses that are big on headline grabbing announcements but light on actual achievements. This week we had the Superfactory finished but all it appears to be is an empty shed that cost $6 million. This is $6m out of a project that will cost what? $6 billion? $10 billion? Like Concorde, this is an aircraft with limited application, essentially the Atlantic. US West Coast to Japan needs a stop, US West Coast to Australia needs two. These stops will eat away at the speed advantage, remembering it is not only time on the ground that will be lost but the subsonic descent and climb and the longer indirect route. Meanwhile, subsonic airliners are cruising at Mach 0.85 all the way following a great circle route. As long as there are investors the project will continue.
Have you forgot they’ve already developed a fully working Aircraft? The testbed plane flies and is Mach 1 capable. More had gone into this project than you make it out to be
@@gammr3227 The test aircraft has flown once, way back in March. It is a small single seat aircraft powered by a trio of ancient GE J85 engines. It was far from fully working because the gear was not even retracted in that very brief 12-minute flight. Concorde's first flight was 62 minutes.
You are right, but I think you are still underestimating the cost of making a supersonic airliner. It takes Boeing and Airbus rather like 20 Billion these days to develop a completely new aircraft and for a supersonic jet you could easily double that. I think for about 50 Billion it should be doable. But only Airbus and Boeing have that kind of money at all, with Boom likely staying below 1 Billion in funding. This alone tells you that this project is dead on arrival.
@superdiomond2138 The point I was making is developing an airliners is very expensive. $10 billion, $20 is irrelevant. It is all beyond Boom, which is also going to develop the engine because those who know what is involved refused to do so.
@@davidcarter4247bet you’re fun at a party
Listen to this story as a non-professional layman's opinion.
In the past, until the Shinkansen began operating in Japan, many pundits criticized the railroads as a leaning industry and a waste of the national budget. However, as you can see from looking around the world today, high-speed railroads are being built all over the world, creating new demand.
In transportation, increased speed is synonymous with revolution, and the Shinkansen is a perfect example. Certainly, during the Concorde and B2707 periods, the attempts failed because the technical hurdles could not be overcome by the commercial benefits. However, it is also true that technology and knowledge have deepened since then. Japan built the Shinkansen as an extension of the technology it had accumulated and established since before World War II. It would not be surprising, then, if supersonic aircraft exist in the future as an extension of the technology that the aviation industry has accumulated over the past half century.
Personally, I support Boom's cautious approach. At the same time, I believe that we should listen to the professionals working on the ground at the airlines that operate the aircraft.
I hope that one day an overture with JAL's "Tsurumaru" painted on the vertical tail will land on Japanese soil.
I personally HOPE someone will come up with supersonics, current flight times are just far too long, like 10 hour flights are brutal. I don't want a bigger seat, I want to spend less time in a tube... I'd rather pay more to get there faster. 800 km/h is just archaic.
I have a good feeling about Overture! Can't wait to see it take flight!
I just cant imagine this working out well
The trouble with their business plan is that to pay back 1st class tickets will have to be hideously expensive. And unlike in the Concord era their core mega-rich clientele that need to bite now has the luxury / option of having or chartering their own private jet to cross the atlantic, which unless time is REALLY so precious to them will be more attractive than potentially having to mix in non-VIP environments with the great unwashed... Times have changed. A mega-rich rock star in the 70's and 80's would no doubt cross the oceans supersonic on Concord, now they go on their private jets.
They did say that fares would be similar to conventional biz class with NYC-London roundtrip at $5000
@@IndianGeek5589 I bet.............
You think billionaires won’t be lining up to have their own private overture?
This will be interesting to see the future. Nice to see someone shake up the "duolopy", and try something new. There was a time when people rode in horse and buggy's and thought gas powered cars were a 'fad". Creating the future is hard, glad someone is at least trying. That is how
Except they are not shaking up the duopoly. Take Comac, they are attempting to do just that and are net even making a dent in it despite having a commercial product and billions in backing.
Boom currently has nothing and keeps holding on to unrealistic timelines. Developing a new engine in less than 2 years for example is a near impossibility. They want to fly before the decade is over, but look at established companies like Airbus and Boeing, who have more money, resources and experience and look at what the development time for the A350 was or how long a simple re-engine and re-wing of the 777 is taking.
If Boom succeeds, it might be by the end of the next decade. And then the question becomes: who will want to pay for it? Because that was the biggest problem with Concorde. Expensive tickets and very low demand. Furthermore, Boom is not even attempting to build an aircraft with a minimized sonic boom, which is limiting the routes it can fly. I also don't want to know how much fuel it is going to burn.
Even if Boom is successful (which I highly doubt will be), a low-capacity supersonic airliner will not "shake up the duopoly" between Airbus and Boeing. It will be an extremely small niche service in the context of global aviation. I honestly cannot think of a viable market for it, especially now that we have luxury suites and high-speed internet on subsonic airliners. (Due to thermodynamics, Boom will never be an "economy" service.)
I honestly do not know where the market for a low-capacity supersonic airliner would be, especially now that we have luxurious suites on subsonic airliners with beds and high-speed internet.
Of course it’s not a guarantee, but United demoed a first class similar to their Polaris and “economy” that’s like a compact first class with more storage. I’m betting that if these ever make it to production, there is absolutely no way you can make standby with seats filling quickly. 😂
From the flight deck mockup, I see there's a flap lever. How would flaps work with that kind of wing design? Wouldn't they just push the nose down?
Boom is great at CGI.
This is and will continue to be fascinating. I live in the area of the superfactory and drive by it regularly. Have done some plane spotting and photography right next to it. It has altered the landscape at GSO dramatically, and in a positive way. The building shells are up, and the main HVAC units have recently been installed on the tops of the main building. It's going to be hard to track the progress inside the building now since there are doors though. I have time stamped photos of the building in drive bys over a good long period and it has been impressive. Will Overture ever fly? I sure hope so. It's going to be several years though, obviously. Interestingly, there is a large bridge built spanning other roads right next to the site. And the I-beams on that bridge are as large as another bridge for aircraft to access 5R at PTI. But the new bridge does not lead to an area that appears it could be used for aviation needs. Just a related note. Good Luck Boom. You need that and a lot of cash and time.
Great video. It reminds me a bit of boeings cancelled 2707 SST but an updated version. Hope we see it 🙏
Right... developing engines from the ground up with limited funds! I wonder if they believe in Santa Clause as well?
To design and build a fuel efficient high performance engine requires manufacturing expertise, manufacturing capabilities and experience well beyond what Boom can ever hope to muster and afford. This is not software were a few brilliant people and a server farm can change the world. Engines are very hard and costly item to develop. Their notion of accelerated development sounds like cold sweat desperation.
No engines: No plane. It's that simple. Maybe they should procure themselves 4 refurbished F15 Pratt and Whitney F100-PW-229 engines to get a prototype in the air.
Worrying about the cockpit layout and functionality and promising over the air software updates for a setup that has yet to be designed is really like putting the cart before the horse. It is useless info. This whole update feed from Boom is pure MBA marketing nonsense from people who have no idea what engineering is about.
Boom is trying to milk clueless investors for more money. Good luck to them.
If they fail to develop capable engines then ba still has the olympus engines lying around says my late grandfather who worked for ba as an engineer. Tho using those would be terribly inefficient and push operating costs up to the point it would probably just be affordable by the rich again
Look how great Boeing is doing with unlimited funding. Compare that to "Spacex" which is vastly outperforming all other " Space" competitors.
You do know that engine design and manufacturing can be outsourced, right?
Santa Clause is real! 😊😊😊
@@robertfrost1683spaceX has a pipeline to the US taxpayer’s pocket, perhaps that is the end game here.
I remain cautiously optimistic
To be honest I’d prefer to fly on a TU 144 for safety reasons
I’m sceptical but hopeful. Question though, are there cockpit windows or is it a fully enclosed cockpit with digital/virtual display’s like remote control towers? None of the renderings seem to show cockpit windows.
Seems like they are still fiddling with the fuelselage and nose shape
personally, in light of boeing's reliability being put into question, i think its a good thing that boom is taking as much time as they need to perfect every component of the full product! i dont even care if the plane isnt off the ground by 2030 i would be much happier knowing they tested endlessly before shipping it out. think of it as tesla but for airplanes, they didnt release the model 3 until 2018 and had been a company since 2007!
Thankd Dj!!
This stage they don’t plan to fly supersonic over land. There is plenty of demand and as long as they can keep the operating costs per passenger reasonable enough, there is tons of demand. The Concord was a design of the 60’s, a lot of technology in aircraft has improved since then.
I can't see supersonic passenger flight being a thing. You'll have a hard time convincing governments that it's quiet enough for sonic booms not being an issue over land. A few years ago we had a fighter going supersonic over our house. (Some sort of security alert) and it shuck the windows. I wouldn't want that on a regular basis.
Would airlines buy it specifically for flights that are almost entirely over water? Probably not. BA and Air France only got Concorde for political reasons
Workhorse planes like B737/A320 and B787/A350 make money for airlines..outside the box aircraft like A380 or supersonic are too niche and are too costly to purchase/maintain/etc, wish it was not the case…
Boom believe they have the technology to eradicate that 'boom' effect upon going through the sound barrier.
@@bkkmj4250Emirates made 380 a workhorse bringing in serious money. Why not find a business case for that Boom thing - Hawaii, Korea, Japan, the Maldives, transatlantic...
@@xavermooshammer4816 because even then, the a380 works in more than one scenario, as long as they manage to fill it up, it serves both land, and ocean flights, while carrying more passengers than 6 overtures, that will chug fuel, and will likely not be allowed to flight inland.
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I'll believe that when I hear it, or more specifically, don't hear it.
More importantly, it's whether governments think it's good enough.
Four engines ? I thought that was considered uneconomical these days ...
I don't understand why the company would name it.After the single thing that people found most objectionable about supersonic jets : the sonic boom. It's like reminding people why it failed in the first place
I've had super sonic jets, sonic booms over my house.And it's loud and it makes the windows rattle.And nobody wants to hear a sonic boom. .
Just seems incredibly tone deaf.
im sure that they will get there eventually, but it will take longer than 2029 for it to enter service.
They got an Elon musk level of ambition so they should get it by then
@@lennywallace9201ambition does not do anything in an industry where there are not just practical but legislative concerns one must pass to make it to market. They can be ambitious all they want, it doesn't change the reality we occupy.
It will never exist or fly. Simple numbers: It takes Boeing and Airbus about 20 Billion $ theses days to create a completely new aircraft. And for all the additional hurdles of a supersonic jet you can easily double that. That means it should be doable for about 50 Billion. But Booms funding will likely stay below 1 Billion which means that this project is dead on arrival.
They have been building it since 2016. I'm sceptical about Boom Overture.
Even if it is not a total success, everything learned, new systems, new wing design, new engines all go on to further our knowledge of flight and aircraft to make things better in the future. So there is no fail, just some results may be better than others. But they all count, they all help, we learn more and more from every project. 8) --peace --gary
"Over-the-air" software updates? Think about the security risks a few seconds........that is not going to happen anytime in the foreseeable future.
How will certification happen then? Will the FAA and the EASA then have to certify every update? How expensive will that be?
Can you imagine just the cost involved to do that! And at best they may get 3 planes built. 🤷♂️
The software can take my seat. If an aircraft can do OTA, I'm not going.
I think the same. A commercial airliner isn't a Tesla. Making sure the update process is secure and reliable is going to be a huge challenge, and getting the FAA to certify may be an even bigger challenge.
OTA updates are something that already happens on some planes. It does have to be initiated by maintenance but there's nothing you have to plug in to update things like nav databases other than clicking through menus. I could see it being used for more systems in the future other than just nav to reduce maintenance costs. There's already features being added to current aircraft systems for network security as well, possibly to expand on that for more systems down the road.
@@Noman1000 Look what happened to communication updates last week with airlines 🤔
Boom sounds like the Aptera of commercial aircraft. So much potential, but also so much uncertainty and lack of concrete timeline.
For such an advanced aircraft I’m surprised they even bothered with having a First Officer position.
The number of people posting about sonic booms oblivious to the currently active NASA supersonic test bed that sounds no louder than a car door closing… boom is going to benefit from that platform. Countries will change regulations or be left without a new mode of transportation.
Icl, boom is such a bad name for an experimental aircraft company. Feels like foreshadowing
They should use quantum. Computing for the extra help
I hope it survives the upcoming recession.
If i was bringing back supersonic airliners i’d at least want it to be faster than the Concorde which is from the 60”s
Huge update = plane ready to fly. Anything else is clickbait.
The stuff about the cockpit is terrifying. Luckily this won’t do anything except chew through gullible investors’s funds.
It appears that this model already exists in MSFS as a promotional unit. Look at those hangar shots!
lol the cockpit tech is the problem for the delay LMAO! This thing will never fly or if it does it wont be in commercial service ever.
I don’t think tickets will be cheap though . I know they said it would be accessible for everyone price wise but in reality, I think only the wealth will be able to afford it
There is a problem with this in that on the other side there are like 200 slow giant man carrying quadcopter companies hoping to change aviation. That doesn’t clash with loud fast and expensive travel for the rich. One will succeed, the other will not.
I want to know the dimensions of the bathrooms on Boom Overture? Passengers on a flight that is more than an hour have to go to the bathroom. The bathrooms on many regional jets have a smaller ceiling hight than a Boeing 737 and Airbus a320 jets. So how easy is it to fit inside a Boom Overture bathroom?
The updates will be similar to what Tesla does with their cars. Very good control over the software and an efficient way to deliver the download to their aircraft. It still remains to be seen just how quiet this airplane will be at supersonic speeds. Its plan form does not seem to incorporate the same ideas as the Lockheed/NASA X-59 Technological Demonstrator. Likewise, it must be quiet!
when Pigs fly
Feel like overture will come out before the 777x
People will not tolerate sonic booms and rightly so.
Like the Concorde, sonic booms would only be approved over water and/or unpopulated areas. That’s not changing anytime soon. What Boom is trying to do, is make the Overture quieter during takeoff and landings and make it less polluting than the Concorde. One of the main reasons why the Concorde went under was ignorance. The very same people that didn’t want the Concorde, knew little to nothing about how it worked, let alone aviation in general. The accident only sealed it’s fate.
People don’t know about the NASA testbed aircraft currently operating above US cities that are nowhere near as loud as booms from older aircraft. Boom and other US aerospace corps will benefit from that research, it’s very quiet.
What do runway and noise limitations look like? Jetways?
They had one, nobody wanted it....other than the national airlines of the 2 countries that designed it, built it & tested it...
How will this even be commercially viable????
Pay serious $$$$$$
It won't.
Only the ultra-rich will fly this jet. It might eat into the private jet space, but I doubt airlines that rely on widebody aircraft will be affected by this.
Because there is a market for it. When you think of it, surplus million dollar cars don’t seem commercially viable either. Nor do private jets, but they sell just fine.
My guess is that this will be as sucessfull as Concorde...
Augmented reality viewed on a headset.....can you imagine how long just this one , untried , un test piece of kit will take to be approved by the FAA , EASA and there's no plan B because Overture doesn't have a variable angled nose.
Don’t think the plane will become certified and probably if the plane isn’t put in a museum if built at all, it’ll gather dust in Victorville or be scrapped
Won't happen unless it's turned into an Air Force One lmao.
US Mil contractors ain't gonna sell them engines.
I am still not compelled by the profitability and feasibility of supersonic travel. The Concorde has proven that quicker commute doesn't necessarily translate into better safety. In fact, these cumbersome ponderous aircrafts are gas-guzzling and not commercially viable for carriera at all.
broda the concorde was created in 1969 the boom overture is planning to be fully created in 2029 its gonna be way more efficient 😭
Concorde was actually a very safe aircraft. 1 accident in its entire history that was caused by debris left on a runway.
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Computer operating systems are always under attack and are patched regularly. So to think they can developer one for the plane that is secure seems incredulous.
Elon needs to take over.
cockpit design is entirely irrelevant to their mission and it was not an actually good design, much like the garbage that is existing airliners designs, mainly the center console that only serves to make it difficult to access the seats. as for timelines, anyone that isn't just doing it instead of saying 10 years from now seems highly likely to fail. It doesn't take a lot of time to develop, it's trivial 1960s technology and we have computer simulation and fabrication now. Just do it.
The software part sounds scary…
Supersonic flight will not be a thing in the coming few decades.
hypersonic then.
Hypersonic maybe ? Why are so many people stuck in the past ?
i dont think it should be more towards Software side as one bad line of code could brick the whole plane there in delays and expensive repair look at the recent events of crowdstrike , yes i know different areas still it was a software issue
I hope it goes well for Boom.
I mean these fellas at Boom have big balls no doubt. Developing any aircraft let alone a engine is nuts. I am sick of subsonic flight but to assume it will be available to the masses at a affordable price is unlikely with only 88 seats and 4 engines. That puppy is gonna cost a bundle to operate. Sooo I do not think the market is right or fit for this type of plane given lack of airport slots at major airports. It has alot of issues in its business case although you have to start small if you can call this small lol.
Pipedream currently….
Fear not Microsoft and Crowdstrike have this under control! *buffering buffering buffering*
It’s uae money. It’s just a halo project. Never meant to be a product.
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@@mustafashulqamy1844 remember the last COP 28? meeting in UAE... where one of the not meant to be exposed slides encouraged more fossil fuel use was to promote SST's?
I also am not satisfied that over the air software updating is secure enough for aircraft. Most especially for those as sophisticated and potentially vulnerable as a supersonic passenger jet. I seriously doubt that it can even be certified for use on an airplane. The commercial viability of a low capacity supersonic airliner, I thought had already been proven to be seriously questionable after Concorde. It may work as a limited production business jet though.
And nobody will ever hack the over the air update system 😅
Boom is not a good name
cool cgi, but will it ever fly.
probably not.
I highly doubt that this airplane will ever actually get into the sky and fly commercially. An aircraft that flies at supersonic speed but can only fit between 60 to 80 people is hardly economical at all.
They are still burning the midnight oil on this one. They might get to 80 percent, but ill still say they are going to merge with someone before completion, be it Airbus or COMAC-- With COMAC that's the way into western aircraft sales.
Unless Elon Musk buys it. :D lol
@bd5av8r1 That would be a nightmare if Elon buys it. I think he'll only stick to space though.
No droop snoot 😢
There's no business case where this aircraft would make money for an airline. Even if this company produced a working example it wouldn't sell.
the way concorde took off to the skies is that they didn't look into pleasing everyone. if you start a project by looking into making everybody happy, that project is doomed from the start. personally, if my aim is to restart supersonic air travel, i would first put up in the air the technology that have been used so far, to get things going and in the meantime, work on improvements to retrofit the available models. BOOM will run out of money by trying to please everybody... based on what i've read, it's not even going to be as fast as Concorde was... then what is the point to all of this?!
Oh wow. All the reasons I said we will NEVER see this aircraft in service. And now ADDING augmented reality REQUIRED for takeoffs and landings. Just put all the investment money on a bonfire and get it over with.
Totally agree , don't know how they've " persuaded" people to invest in this..White elephant.
In other words "Boom is going Boom"
Well, it's Boom or bust.
BOOM is going KABOOM!!!!!!
😎I love progress and technology but supersonic flights ? I don’t need to fly from Abidjan to JFK in 3 or 4 hours…it’s ok for me in 9 1/2 or 10 1/2 hours. Myself and many other people enjoy the experience on Ethiopian Airlines.
Dam that is good news
ban the boom protests incoming. Concorde was met with the same grief back in the 60s when it was finally let loose. I say this but then again this thing has not got x4 olympus 593s strapped under it :p.
I am as dubious AF about all these Paradigm Shifting™ Envelope Expanding™ Super Rocket Hotdog Cowboy™ SST designs being anything more than investor traps at their worst, lets see how long the money lasts tech research loops at their best. I am very happy to be proven wrong.
Still moving fwd
So they have managed to re-invent the flight simulator.
Touch screen avionics is a bad trend
Was not expecting that
Just like nobody thought Southwest would ever assigned seats, Overture will get off the ground
Nope
thought they didn't find an engine manufacturer? who stepped in?
Building their own 😂
@@stevesmoneypit6137 serious?
@@stevesmoneypit6137really? Wow. I expected that they would get engines used in supersonic military jets…
@@markiangooleyNot big/powerful enough for an airliner. The Olympus engines modified for Concorde were off the very heavy Vulcan bomber. Things like that don't exist now. Nukes are delivered by missile.
@@roberthindle5146the only military engines that are still made and can are powerful enough are both Russian NK32 & 36, safe to say they ain’t getting those.
USA population not clever enough to build a supersonic airliner
Not relevant.. people just want safety, reliability and comfort
Scope creep
No overhead panel? Thats cool!.. Slowly aviation will become more boring 🤣 (Me being a guy who enjoys complicated aircraft)
Boom will fail before they make a successful commercial flight. It’s just too much money to make the aircraft and too competitive. I do want them to succeed but I don’t think their aircraft will be the most effective and there will always be cheaper options.