Engraving Brass Dogtags with a Diamond Tip Drag Tool -
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- Опубликовано: 12 апр 2018
- Drag engraving can be a really easy and forgiving way to mark metals, ceramics, paint, etc. I'll dissect the variables in the process and make some dog tags while I'm at it.
Diamond Drag Engraving Tool: I would post a link, but it seems Benchtop Precision has gone belly up.
I used the default 120 degree tip.
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Looks awesome man! Super clean. Brass is definitely on my list for the X-Carve.
I love how the angles on the logo reflects light differently. Great work mate!
Very Nice man! Very nice. All inspiration for future goodness.
Love the trial and error approach. Very informative video, great job.
- Cay
Great video dude, I make award plates like this at work all the time. I found the 90 to leave a slight burr to the touch but a120 tip won’t if you ever want to try that out. Also aside from this project I think you would benefit GREATLY from a desktop microscope. You can inspect your finished work like the engraved tags plus look for damage on your end mills, it’s helped out immensely in my shop, cheers.
Love it! I plan on doing something like this for a side project for work soon!
Great videos Winston. A very slick logo too!
At the end I thought you might be electroplating them lol.... looks really good Winston! Will look forward to your on the road reporting... safe travels!
thanks for the shout out!
I purchase my aluminum tags from Chewbarka. I used a Hermes machine for my scratch engraving and a Full Spectrum laser to burn the anodizing off, at a very low power setting.
I have one of these drag bits on order.....looks like my thoughts on toolpathing were what you did as I also do not have Aspire. And thanks for the FB group shout-out-ish. :)
Thank you thank you thank you! I've been trying to use F360 to simulate Aspire's cross hatch fill for a while now and you nailed it!!
Thanks for this!!! You just saved me lots of time fiddling around with Fusion 360. I am just starting to use a diamond drag bit on copper to make plates for intaglio printmaking. The lines part is working great (the tool throws a wonderful burr which holds a lot of ink, like drypoint etching, and it compensates in a lovely way for the variation in z axis, which with an end mill was a killer on my Snapmaker 2.0 even after facing the spoil board ). But I was just starting to experiment with fill, so thanks! BTW if you happen to know of anybody else doing this (printmaking art stuff CNC on copper or whatever) I would very much appreciate a pointer.
I am ordering this Bit. Great info as always.
The one I use is from ebay. $50
How do you like it? Looks like from the picture it's doing the work. Similar design or is it rigid?
Send me a link on FB.
Do it! The drag bit is my favorite tool for my CNC. So easy to use and great results.
Always good to know people are happy with something before you buy. Thanks.
Good afternoon, thanks for sharing the info, did you use the same diamond tool to cut the tags?
Thank you so much for the info! I've subscribed your channel, Did you cut the dogtags with the same diamond tool?
Great video Winston. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge. But I have one question...what were you doing at the end of the video? Perhaps some kind of clear coat? I need to engrave a bunch of brass nameplates and I am wondering if I need to coat them with something when I am done. Would love to know what you were doing there...
Great information and video Thanks for sharing with everyone.
Jim
Nice nice
How fast did you go for the Parallel toolpath?
The next thing would be a spring-loaded cutter for cutting leather, paper, stencils, etc.
Very nice job, love the channel. How do I go about getting one of your dog tags?
Clean and nice Winston! Do you believe is possible to use this technique to carve granite? Cheers from Brazil.
hi, is very amazing, can you help me please with one link to buy this engraving tool, than you :)
I am new to Fusion 360, and I have been trying to figure out how to do a hatch pattern for the drag bit. THANKS!
What bit do you use to cut out the perimeter of your dog tags with brass?
I have many questions about how you held the parts. First is material for the base. Did you make the setup indexable for repeated items? How would someone do that?
I know this video is old but i have a question ;) will those marks "rub" off or buff out over time when handled a lot?
Where i can find this cross texture in fusion on 4.00 ?
What bit did you use to cut the brass?
Does anyone know how long they last? 120 degree or 90 degree? What is the best one to get now?
Once again me Winston great, must ask a question since it's a drag bit do you have any rotation from your spindle or is your spindle off and you're just dragging it thanks ahead of time
Spindle off.
Are diamond spring engraving bits sold on aliexpress or bangood sites?
What was the thickness of the brass you used for the tags? Thanks and great video.
1/32"
hi do you have link for bit? :)
Great video, how did you learn to use fusion 360 so well? What's the best way for a total beginner to learn fusion 360? I want to use it to design wood furniture to cut out using my xcarve.
I went to school for engineering, and in doing so picked up Creo and Solidworks. Then in the course of my job, I did a rotation at a facility that used Inventor. From that foundation, I figured out Fusion as I went (with a bunch of visits to Lars Christensen's channel).
Lars and Autodesk's own tutorials are a good foundation. There are two stages of fusion familiarity in my opinion:
1) Understanding the fundamentals of CAD, being able to sketch and extrude. Same principles as Sketchup, just different interface.
2) Being comfortable enough to poke around and learn through trial and error. I didn't know how to make the engraving toolpaths when I started this project. I suspected it was possible, but I had to dig through the menus to find the right options. Fusion can be overwhelming, but focus on the basic tools, and add more to your repertoire as you need them.
Winston Moy thanks for the advice.
Wow, you were able to cut those tags our very close to one-another. I had no idea the Shapeoko could cut with that accuracy. I had been leaning towards the Nomad 883 for cutting 1:50 scale model parts, but it seems the Shapeoko may me capable of similar tolerances. For example, if I were to cut 1mm wide shapes into ~1.5mm brass sheet, could the Shapeoko handle it?
The Shapeoko lacks the outright rigidity of the Nomad, but if you go slow and steady there's no reason it can't hit similar precision. We tell people to expect a ball part accuracy of 0.003" on the Nomad, and 0.005" on the Shapeoko.
@@WinstonMakes Outstanding, thanks for the fast reply! Looks like I need to reevaluate the Shapeoko for my needs. I'm guessing you're able the control the router spindle RPMs from your computer? Or, are you required to manually change it the the router?
Manual change only. Some people add on a speed controller like SuperPID, but that requires some invasive router surgery.
Are there any requirements your CNC frame has to meet to be able to use this tool? I'm going to be making a CNC machine from scratch and don't know what kind of motors to get or how to make sure the CNC is sturdy enough.
It only needs to be able to handle a couple pounds of force to use a spring loaded tool. But the machine should be solid to begin with, otherwise flex and vibration will affect every other aspect of the machine, like accuracy.
Winston
The side with your name It appears it takes more than one pass but you stated that really don't make a difference, so what was it doing
I really want to do something line this for my church
what tool would you use to engrave aluminum that has been powdercoated?
A normal engraving tool. Powder coat doesn't matter.
is the cut deep enough that the engraving does not wear away ?
Drag engraving is basically just a deep scratch. Only a couple thousandths of an inch deep. If you drop it in your pocket with keys, it will probably stand out less and less over time. Rotary engraving would be what you need for something more durable.
I'm attempting this with my diamond drag tool modeled in Fusion as a chamfer mill. When I do the parallel toolpath, Fusion throws an error, "Invalid tool type for milling."
So then don't use it as a chamfer mill. Open your tool library, filter by operations, and see what Fusion will allow for a Parallel op. There's like 3 or 4 potential options. Tapered endmill might work.
@@WinstonMakes I did. I was just alerting you and other viewers to the fact that in the video you say to use a chamfer mill, and that won't work. Fusion ought to have a dedicated tool type for this.
Has anyone tried engraving PCB with this tool?
Was gonna ask the same question ;) : Could it be use to split the copper to build PCB?
how long did the backside of that tag (with your name/the youtube logo) take to crosshatch engrave?
1 minute 29 seconds (Fusion estimate).
What CAD/CAD software do you use? Thanks
Fusion 360
Ty, You mentioned the gentleman you talked to used Aspire, I have vcarve pro
Wondering if possible what seeing he used and is it in the vcarve pro also
It probably is, but you need to either ask him or find it yourself. I've never used either program. @runcnctv on instagram
Hey there Winston. How would you rate the durability of these bits?
Of drag engravers? Ive only put a few hours in mine. @runcnctv on Instagram has put dozens of hours on his, not sure if he's ever replaced the tip but it's easy to do. They will wear faster depending on what your engraving, ex metal vs ceramic.
@@WinstonMakes yes the drag engraver. Thanks. I will chechouk @runcnctv (haha! funny name, reminds be of a music group ;)
How did you set 0rpm in fusion 360?
Delete the m03 line in the code (any text editor can do it). It's pretty easy.
Hi Winston - Thanks for all the great videos
CNC can do extraordinary things with 5 axis milling or engraving a picture
Please can you produce some pictures with the CNC machine . . .
Ideally CNC should perform tasks which a skilled person would find very difficult
Just cutting out shapes could be performed with a router and pantograph
I agree CNC is many times faster than a skilled person
I would say that the purpose of a CNC is to do repetitive tasks that a skilled person or more importantly a creative person would find mundane. For one off items, I am not certain that a skilled person couldn't do it as quickly. But if you want 100 engraved dog tags. Who would enjoy that and how much would it cost?
Winston, I’m desperately trying to create a dog tag just like the one pictured in your video, but I’m a newbie and stuck at the toolpaths. Could I hire you for an hour to assist me over a call to get this working? I’d be so grateful.
Have you engraved copper before?
Yes.
I have no money to spend on swag, but I'm sure others want to know and I'm kind of curious myself: if you were to sell them, how much would you want for one?
Probably around $10 if I produce these in large batches.
Benchtop Precision has gone out of business (again...) and even when they were in business, there seem to have been a lot of issues with them filling orders and such. Where do people get their drag tools now?
VanderChicken got mine off Amazon, United Stamping.
The advantage of doing your logo with different angles is that the light highlights the different parts err... differently. I did one a few weeks ago and was able to achieve a certain level of "gray scale" with different density and angles. instagram.com/p/Bg_zd57Dd5g/?taken-by=runcnctv
What is an "inch"? Someone in the office tells me it is a medieval measurement. Someone else says it was mentioned in the Old Testament.
will this work on the nomad ?
Drag engraving requires zero power. No reason it wouldn't.
thanks nice work
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