Loading 32-20 from Nagant 7.62 brass
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- I cannot find 32-20 brass for sale, so I'm hand loading 32-20 rounds using Nagant 7.62 brass which I was able to find online. Apologies for the video quality. I'm not very experienced but wanted to show how it can be done if you need an alternative method to producing your own 32-20 ammo. Hope this helps.
Paul ... appreciate your video ... I'd solved all the steps (my 32-20 has a .308 bore) except for getting the cartridges to chamber properly...they lacked about 1/8" of fully seating in the chamber. I'd already worked out the "bulging" issue and my cases were smooth. So it really puzzled me. After casting the chamber I began to think the neck was too tight. I could lightly tap the dummy rounds in, but the extractor wouldn't pull them. I feared that after fire-forming I'd have to hammer each case out. I was going to hone the chamber neck when I noticed your last step (resizing w/o the primer pin) ... and that solved the problem. Easy to get buried in a problem to the extent that the solution eludes. So, Thank You! Doug
I finally got a chance to get out and shoot this past weekend (temps in the 50s 🙂). The reformed loads using 7.62 brass worked well. I had been a little worried about how the extractor would work with the thinner base on those 7.62 cases, but that was no problem at all. The only issue is I need to bump up the load a little. Factory ammo was measuring 900 fps, but my W231 3.2 gr load was pushing the 120 gr lead at an average of only 815 fps. I didn't really get a good test of accuracy because my shooting platform was not the most stable, but I got most of the 10 rounds in a 12 inch target at 75 yards.
Since GunBroker has my account locked out for no known reason keeping me from buying brass casings and starline and the other companies out there that think, it's not worth their precious time to spool up more than every 2-3 years for brass casings in 32-20 and the other historical calibers that literally built America. This video gives me hope to try and get my Winchester lever gun up and running again. It used to be easy to find this ammunition but this country is not being led by decent politicians or CEOs and Yes I'm calling out STARLINE CEO, start producing these cases. New manufacturer firearms in these calibers are sold out, original firearms are in demand. What's not in demand are lazy CEOs and anti-gunners!
I'd say the original sizing is NOT a waste of time. It allows you to get the best possible brass trim length, because the length changes between unsized/ unformed and sized brass. Having to run it back through isn't bad. I'm sure you're not trying to crank out a few thousand to go tare up steel every weekend, so for small volume obscure obsolete ammo, I don't mind an extra step or 2. Keep up the good work
About 5 years ago I got an original 1892 Winchester passed down through family and quickly discovered what little ammunition was available was really expensive! I was fortunate enough to acquire a few hundred brass cartridges before everything disappeared, but due to how thin the cases are I really wonder how many times it can be reloaded. Nice to see this option. I am very interested to hear how they perform. On a side note, my 32-20 Winchester also kickstarted my reloading efforts.
Very helpful. Thanks
I converted 32/20 brass for my 25/20 92 Winchester and was very fortunate to buy some of Starlines last few 32/20 cases in stock. I purchased the RCBS conversion dyes and after messing up a few (4or5) precious cases, I got it right and ow have in excess of 500 loaded cartridges. Can appreciate your efforts in making your own ammo to solve your own needs..!! Now you have me thinking I can convert your converted 32/20 cases back down to 25/20.....???
This is a life saver man! Gonna buy equipment soon
I am doing the same for a Colt 32-20 Police Positive. I resized, trimmed, and was fine. The shell fir in the chamber perfect. But once I put a bullet in, it will not fit. But the resizing worked
Midway has hundreds of bags of 32-20 brass as of 7/20/24....!!
I learned the same thing years ago that you load using Nagant dies and load .310 Cadet or 32-20.
Can't find them or 25-20 brass anywhere, except Australia! I need to make some 25-20 rounds and saw here on RUclips another user used the Nagant brass to size down directly to 25-20. I had the exact same equipment, brass and sizing dies he used but my reformed brass didn't chamber in my Winchester '92, just the last little bit was wider than the breech. I think it was because so much brass was pushed down it all ended up near the bottom. I might try to form the Nagant brass to 32-20 first then to 25-20 and see what happens.
Paul, have you fired these in a lever action yet? Thanks for sharing your experience thus far.
Yes, see my recent comment
Amigo, disculpa, en perú donde se pueden adquirir la municion del 32-20 wcf. Tengo un rifle 32-20 92 y no encuentro su municion original
Ninguno en los estados unidos.
I'm gonna try this. Are you using the 7.62x39? If so are there any problems with the large rifle primers? I have a Winchester model 1873 chambered in 32-20 and made in 1888. I have been looking for ammo for over a year.
NO!!! Don't use 7.62x39 brass. It's not even close. He is using Nagant REVOLVER brass.
Very resourceful case conversion. How do they shoot?
They shoot just fine, see my recent comment
Starline sells 32-20 brass. They're out now, but as the ammo shortage comes to an end I'm sure it will be available. Also a cheap mini chop saw from Harbor Freight would make your job a lot easier.
I too am looking at this and am a novice. Can you list the dies you bought & used?
I srraight up shot 7.62 nagant out of my 1889 marlin today. Video record it. I have lots of nagant ammo. It actually hit the steel plate. But it is not accurate obviously.
I have never seen anyone run a loaded round through a full length resizer before. I would expect it to result in an undersized bullet. I do not recalled you using a neck expanding step that is done prior to seating a bullet and after full length resizing. Be interesting to see how those loads shot in your rifle.
I have actually done this myself with some 44-40 cases, I had some old brass that hadn't been fired before so a resized them again fully loaded with a Lee die after removing the pin ofcourse and after that they fired and sealed the chamber on my marlin lever gun
Interesting thought. I went back and mic'd the bullet and compared to an old factory load from Winchester. My reload bullets from this video are .31 in. and the factory loaded bullets are .30 in. (my cheap micrometer only goes to hundredths of an inch) This measurement is the lead bullet immediately in front of the case. So definitely not undersized.
@@paulwms1 What about the diameter of the bullet in the case neck where the sizing die passed over it. The real proof is what size groups did you get at 100 yards. If three inches or less for a typical 32-30, then for sure all is well.
@@loquat44-40 Guess I'd have to uncork the bullet to measure its diameter inside the case. I'm assuming it's conformed to the ID of the case neck, right? I wish I could check the accuracy better but don't have a good shooting sled for that. With the factory iron sights and my failing eyesight, I managed about a 10 inch group at 75 yards in my nephew's back yard. I'm not entering any competitions, so I'm happy.
@@paulwms1 If you are happy, what more is there to say.
Difficult to measure directly. Measure internal bore diameter of a sized case to figure out just how undersized the bullet was when it was fired. Or measure the brass thickness of the case. Take that times two and subtract from the diameter of the sized case neck. but if the bullets were not keyholing and your are content, then there is not more to say and you got to fire the rifle.
neck is 6 thou to thick.running a loaded round through a sizer is something an idiot would do,you just sized a .311 bullet down to .308,good luck with accuracy
Which Quick Trim die did you use?
@michaelwillis5040 - Sorry for the delay, I don't watch this frequently. I have a Lee 32-20 trim die that I ordered when I ordered the trimmer. It seemed to work fine.