"I anticipate some people will try to make some bad hobgoblin decks and they put hobgoblin and a bunch of bad cards in it and it's not going to work" - Trump 2014 "I've been trying out some hobgoblin stuff .... so why not?" - Trump 2015
Allwn0 I actually think he's using quite resonable cards to go with Hobgoblin. He isn't basing his deck solely on this synergy, there are only few cards that are by themselves very fast and they also happen to go with Hobgoblin (He wouldn't use some of them in regular zoo though). So, summing this all up, I think this deck is reasonable and this is NOT the thing Trump thought of in quote you presented.
Allwn0 "I don't see Grim Patron being used well, unless you build a deck a round it, and even then its ability to function is luck-based" - Trump then "I hope I don't run into any Grim Patron decks" - Trump now
Warlock vomiting out cancer deathrattle minions has been meta for a while. Just because he throws in a hob-goblin doesn't make the deck a special snowflake.
***** changing 2 cards from a meta deck doesn't magically make it non meta. granted with a game like hearthstone having a 30 card limit (15 of those cards needing to be staples) and the hero aspect making players play a certain way to some degree, and with the low number of available cards all the decks start looking the same/netdecked. the deck trump is using is a zoo deck with hobgoblins, zoo is meta, that deck is meta.
SirSquid Bingo. Most are bad because they end up being pure gimmick decks that can't hold up against competitive meta decks. However by taking the already solid 'new zoo' base and making just a few small tweaks, the Hobgoblin enables the standard low drops in the deck to provide a much bigger punch in the midgame.
I agree with hockeater. When the meta changes, cards lose or gain popularity. The goal of hearthstone is to construct a deck that is most efeective and one that has synergy. Hobgoblin has synergy, so therefore, it is good in this case. He wasn't wrong, and he still isn't.
Omry Goldwasser And that with the warrior's play, Trump does not have lethal on the board. It is not too wrong to play safe. Be aware that "face hunter" is a super humiliating word to say and should only be said with care.
See this is the brilliant part about Hobgoblin: a lot of people think you have to build your entire deck around him, but you don't. If your deck has enough 1-attack minions in it already, you can just throw him in and he'll get value; he literally only needs to buff ONE minion in order to get value; his 2/3 of stats plus a 2/2 buff to something else is 4/5 of stats for 1 mana less than Yetti. And if he buffs even more than that (or buffs a minion with a special power like Divine Shield, Taunt, Charge, or even Windfury), the value only increases; putting him on an echoing ooze gets you a whopping 8/11 of stats for 5 mana; that's crazy (although very vulnerable to being flamestruck)
Im pretty sure the deck works because it doesnt have the bad cards in it like the original hobgoblin decks did, i.e. mistress of pain, and keeping the zoo style to the deck with the strong cards and only the stronger 1 attack minions for the synergy with hobgoblin.
I played a deck very similar to this shortly after GVG came out. The problem i was having at the time was there were a lot of handlocks which i kept getting wrecked by. I tried to make a controlish version of this deck to do better against the handlock and warriors but it wasn't much better.
That warrior at the end made a serious misplay. He should've attack the imp gang boss for a 50/50 chance at lethal with the Juggler's knife hitting Grom.
Annoyotron is a great card to add into the mix if you run hobgoblin. Turn 5 you could have a 2-3 hobgoblin and a 3-4 annoyotron with divine shield that's 12 points of stats to put on the board with 5 mana which is great value.
14:10 dont think the ooze would get copied for the mage. its a battlecry and those usually dont get activated when a minion is summoned by mirror entity
Trump asked, "You know...someone had to have tried this before when GvG came out. I wonder why it didn't stick..." (paraphrasing, cause I forgot where in the video he said it and wanted to watch the whole thing before commenting) Pretty sure the reason why was because Mech Mage was destroying everything at about the same time frame. Sure, a 2/3 and 2 3/4's on turn 5 (hobgoblin + echoing ooze) is pretty good. Dropping down 8 minions at a discount and killing your opponent on turn 5 is even better.
Why dont do they buff Hobgoblin so everytime a minion is spawned it gets the buff. I mean that would be a little bit to much of a buff to paladin ... but I think that would be a great addition to the game!
I think Dragon Paladin just needs a some better tempo behind it. If it weren't so slow, it'd be a bit better. I've been experimenting a bit and think I may have found a decent balance. No need to knock it Trump. :p
Whats wrong with dragon paladin? mine works quite well(after I took out twighlight drake, and some unesacary cards) It works quite fine, good early game, mid game, and some nasty late game.
Do not be mean to the Dragon Paladin Trump. The guy is trying something new. Who knows, he could be creating the next meta. And if he does than you would definitely use it so be nice.
TheMusicalString He does have the list during play, he just doesn't have an UPDATING list during play. What he has is a cropped screenshot of the decklist.
why does the ooze spawned by mirror entity copy itself? Happened to me in arena today and since its a battlecry, i thought it was pretty unfair to be triggered
at 1:00 it's better against face hunter? hell no i just wrecked this 3 times today, i was wondering if its not a netdeck at the first match yet im disappointed again
What about imp master? Or is that too clunky? I think it's better with hobgoblin since imp gang boss and implosion don't utilize the effect. Sure imp masters important don't either but the initial creature at least does.
In 31:00 he could have won if he hit with the weapon into the imp gang boss and it would summon an imp so it could have activated gromash with a knife. Missplayed from his opponent isnt it?
Eternity4Evil This was literally the best thing i've seen in ages, it made me smile so much. It's awesome when you see him really enjoying himself like this, it aint cringy at all, lighten up man we're all just trying to have fun ^_^
Eternity4Evil He was just having fun, why is everyone overreacting so much? Even himself realized he was going over the top and stopped all of a sudden.
+水查子 In a zoo style deck, and with voidwalker already being there as a better standalone alternative, it won't be worth it. This is what he was talking about when he said people will make some really bad hobgoblin decks trying to make every minion one attack. I think he had 8 synergy minions to hobgoblin, and that's enough.
Freeze mage be like, if only it was frost ball instead of fireball i would of killed u with that ice lance. And thats why a freeze mage shouldn't trust fire
Cancer... You call hunter cancer while there is Paladin. That disgusting piece of shit with Aldors,Minibots,that piece of shit legendary with weapon and Equality
I understand conceding on your turn if you don't draw the answer you need, but if you concede just to deny your opponent the satisfaction of finishing you, I don't like it. I see it way too often. -_-
"I anticipate some people will try to make some bad hobgoblin decks and they put hobgoblin and a bunch of bad cards in it and it's not going to work" - Trump 2014
"I've been trying out some hobgoblin stuff .... so why not?" - Trump 2015
Allwn0 I actually think he's using quite resonable cards to go with Hobgoblin. He isn't basing his deck solely on this synergy, there are only few cards that are by themselves very fast and they also happen to go with Hobgoblin (He wouldn't use some of them in regular zoo though). So, summing this all up, I think this deck is reasonable and this is NOT the thing Trump thought of in quote you presented.
Allwn0 "Hunter is dead", Trump 2014.
Allwn0
"I don't see Grim Patron being used well, unless you build a deck a round it, and even then its ability to function is luck-based" - Trump then
"I hope I don't run into any Grim Patron decks" - Trump now
Allwn0 Thera are now 8 classes in HS, hunter is dead - Trump 2014
Allwn0 Desperation boys
Hooray, something non-meta.
Warlock vomiting out cancer deathrattle minions has been meta for a while. Just because he throws in a hob-goblin doesn't make the deck a special snowflake.
Leona Bott there are only 2 deathrattle minions in that deck.
Leona Bott so edgy, so cool, where you listening to whitehouse while writing that comment?
***** changing 2 cards from a meta deck doesn't magically make it non meta. granted with a game like hearthstone having a 30 card limit (15 of those cards needing to be staples) and the hero aspect making players play a certain way to some degree, and with the low number of available cards all the decks start looking the same/netdecked. the deck trump is using is a zoo deck with hobgoblins, zoo is meta, that deck is meta.
***** was too lazy to scroll up to respond to the right person :3
He reason hobgoblin decks are usually bad is because they try and make EVERY minion have 1-attack.
SirSquid Bingo. Most are bad because they end up being pure gimmick decks that can't hold up against competitive meta decks.
However by taking the already solid 'new zoo' base and making just a few small tweaks, the Hobgoblin enables the standard low drops in the deck to provide a much bigger punch in the midgame.
Mairo San That is a radical idea, someone should make a video about it.
"He needed exactly those two cards"
Trump is slowly turning into Kripp...
"Hobgoblin decks wont work" - Trump 2014
Plays it 5 months later.
._.
Guy Fawkes New cards happened. Different meta.
Guy Fawkes He wasn't wrong. And he's right now. Whats your point?
I agree with hockeater. When the meta changes, cards lose or gain popularity. The goal of hearthstone is to construct a deck that is most efeective and one that has synergy. Hobgoblin has synergy, so therefore, it is good in this case. He wasn't wrong, and he still isn't.
Guy Fawkes And they didn't, haha.
30:55 The warrior could attack imp gang boss and go for 50/50 on knife hitting gromash.
Nice catch
Omry Goldwasser It is not obvious from both sides. Even Fibonacci cannot necessarily see this.
Omry Goldwasser And that with the warrior's play, Trump does not have lethal on the board. It is not too wrong to play safe. Be aware that "face hunter" is a super humiliating word to say and should only be said with care.
I really enjoy the " HERE TAKE BUFF" tag on the card hit by the hobgolin...
The random "Goblins and Gnomes" Humming is GREAT :D:D:D
Hob goblin has my favorite sound bit. The little hum is so damn catchy.
Most heard sentence: "Wait!? Is this lethal?" :)
See this is the brilliant part about Hobgoblin: a lot of people think you have to build your entire deck around him, but you don't. If your deck has enough 1-attack minions in it already, you can just throw him in and he'll get value; he literally only needs to buff ONE minion in order to get value; his 2/3 of stats plus a 2/2 buff to something else is 4/5 of stats for 1 mana less than Yetti. And if he buffs even more than that (or buffs a minion with a special power like Divine Shield, Taunt, Charge, or even Windfury), the value only increases; putting him on an echoing ooze gets you a whopping 8/11 of stats for 5 mana; that's crazy (although very vulnerable to being flamestruck)
6:35 "The egg nestled in the warmth of the flame imps..." Trump. That's just dirty.
Im pretty sure the deck works because it doesnt have the bad cards in it like the original hobgoblin decks did, i.e. mistress of pain, and keeping the zoo style to the deck with the strong cards and only the stronger 1 attack minions for the synergy with hobgoblin.
This deck is INSANE !
Trump, you're supposed to hold the gobgoblin until you can play lots of minions with it.
That last game's top-decks were incredibly timely
i've been maiming a version of this deck for some time, but with alot more 1 attack minions, i bet trump's deck is alot more consistent then mine
I played a deck very similar to this shortly after GVG came out. The problem i was having at the time was there were a lot of handlocks which i kept getting wrecked by. I tried to make a controlish version of this deck to do better against the handlock and warriors but it wasn't much better.
omg i can't wait for that amazing card back for season 14!
This deck is basically a warlock version of my overwhelm druid, which I made about 6 months ago.
Wow, I didn't realize Silver Hand Knight was bald...
That warrior at the end made a serious misplay. He should've attack the imp gang boss for a 50/50 chance at lethal with the Juggler's knife hitting Grom.
I'm actually startingto miss mech mage with all the damn zoo running around. Even though it's slower nowadays i still hate its guts.
Annoyotron is a great card to add into the mix if you run hobgoblin. Turn 5 you could have a 2-3 hobgoblin and a 3-4 annoyotron with divine shield that's 12 points of stats to put on the board with 5 mana which is great value.
The warrior in the last game had a chance to turn on Grommash by hitting the Imp Gang Boss with his weapon.
14:10 dont think the ooze would get copied for the mage. its a battlecry and those usually dont get activated when a minion is summoned by mirror entity
as far as im concerned black rock mountain added only 1 thing, Grim Patreon.
I had to go sleepy-sheepy.
How was Trump amazing piano play yesterday?
Trump asked, "You know...someone had to have tried this before when GvG came out. I wonder why it didn't stick..." (paraphrasing, cause I forgot where in the video he said it and wanted to watch the whole thing before commenting)
Pretty sure the reason why was because Mech Mage was destroying everything at about the same time frame. Sure, a 2/3 and 2 3/4's on turn 5 (hobgoblin + echoing ooze) is pretty good. Dropping down 8 minions at a discount and killing your opponent on turn 5 is even better.
at 5:15, if Trump didnt go for Lethal, I woulda screamed
That was a pretty cool deck.
that warrior's luck pissed meeee oooofff xD
I'm gonna be pissed if trump playing the piano isn't uploaded here
Why dont do they buff Hobgoblin so everytime a minion is spawned it gets the buff. I mean that would be a little bit to much of a buff to paladin ... but I think that would be a great addition to the game!
Garry the Pirate lol, that would be OP
Enrique Aalders Muster clearly isn't strong enough with quarter master, we need the combo to be 2 mana cheaper
Garry the Pirate MAYBE that could have been a thing if the Mustard combo didn't exist.
And even so, only MAYBE.
Garry the Pirate So I'm guessing you've never played against hunter.
Garry the Pirate The Grim Patron means nothing, then?
When you saw the title, did anyone else think "You no take candle!"?
16:00 i am confused, why were the imps gold. is it because he targeted a shiny recruit or because of his hero?
0:43 TAKE MY HICCUP !
i almost screamed at my pc that u gonna miss lethal! goddamnit Trump!
I think Dragon Paladin just needs a some better tempo behind it. If it weren't so slow, it'd be a bit better. I've been experimenting a bit and think I may have found a decent balance. No need to knock it Trump. :p
I never play fast decks but I might consider net decking this. ty trump :)
Cool deck.
The Hobgoblin Booze is real!!
(That's what I thought during this video)
While everyone else is complaining about the Zoo he was running I'm still in shock over how fucking dumb that patron warrior was top-decking.
I wonder what pack the Hobgoblin comes from...
Whats wrong with dragon paladin? mine works quite well(after I took out twighlight drake, and some unesacary cards) It works quite fine, good early game, mid game, and some nasty late game.
Do not be mean to the Dragon Paladin Trump. The guy is trying something new. Who knows, he could be creating the next meta. And if he does than you would definitely use it so be nice.
TyranusRex721 Trump had tried dragon Paladin and come to the conclusion it was a terrible deck.
Trump played dragon paly for around two hours and lost almost every game, he resents the deck not the player.
This Deck is not truly Hobgoblin. You need more 1-Attack-Minions like Angry Chicken, Flying Machine and Mogushan Warden
Suggestion for trump--
In arena, only choose the cards in the middle
How do you display the cards in your deck? Is there a program doing that for you? Or do you do it manually?
Skelly LP He doesn't have that list during play. Jens the editor adds it in to the video for our benefit.
TheMusicalString He does have the list during play, he just doesn't have an UPDATING list during play. What he has is a cropped screenshot of the decklist.
Oh, right. I nearly forgot, he does have that overlay.
Trump-senpai. Teach me how to hobgoblin!
why does the ooze spawned by mirror entity copy itself? Happened to me in arena today and since its a battlecry, i thought it was pretty unfair to be triggered
Would it be better to trade out Imp Gang Boss for Impossible Master?
wait, I think that last warrior had lethal. He could've hit grommash with the axe and won the game, right?
Havent watched or played Hearthstone in a while. Whats the meta like people?
Does anyone know if the Mirror'd Echoing Ooze would actually spawn a second one? I would have guessed not...
It does, summons an exact copy including a delayed battlecry (twilight drake is mirrored with bonus health, tinkertown tech mirrors as buffed, etc)
He's playing hobgoblin now? So much Trove for Lump. Trove Lump.
That last warriors luck was fucking disgusting !
TOP DECKIN' N RECKIN'
at 1:00 it's better against face hunter? hell no i just wrecked this 3 times today, i was wondering if its not a netdeck at the first match yet im disappointed again
Idk about you but Ive tryed out the dragon Palli And it does work to some extent I have beat a decent amount of decks with it guess it all depends
Why didn't you have mistress of pain in your deck?
What about imp master? Or is that too clunky? I think it's better with hobgoblin since imp gang boss and implosion don't utilize the effect. Sure imp masters important don't either but the initial creature at least does.
Hey, does hobgoblin implosion work?
what a shame the hobgoblin isn't buffing the summoned creatures :)
1st hand, throws the card the deck is made around.
sad to know that i have to play zoo deck to win in hs
i expected more from that game and im a realy fun of this
have you seen Age of Ultron recently? cause you are humming Pinocchio
Dont try to revive zoo it gets overpowered by hunters often and it gets turbo shrekt by Ramp druid.
So it seems Trump isn't against trying some buff stuff.
What does Hobgoblin say when he is played?
nordic fatcheese Goblins and Gnomes.
How can i take the back card of thumbnail's vídeo?
Reach rank 20 before the 1st of June
In 31:00 he could have won if he hit with the weapon into the imp gang boss and it would summon an imp so it could have activated gromash with a knife. Missplayed from his opponent isnt it?
Hobgoblin deck and no Wisp? What is this madness?
Hmm, yesterday I'm watched Trump arena and then did 10-3 first time and found gold Hobgoblin in booster. Today Trump playing this deck, is it a sign?
Геннадий Даценко no
Nasst today I did 10-3 again. I guess his videos brings good luck.
Геннадий Даценко interestingly enough I went 3-10, Illuminati confirmed?
Turn on subtitles at 17:10 , Trump is tha pimp.
i get scared everytime trump draws the lethal play and totally over looks it lol i thought he was gonna miss it at 5:20 .3.
going for the Athene new meta?
What does hobgoblin say when summoned..?
Goblins and gnomes
Thank you ! :)
what decks are hard matchup for this deck?
Robert Bishop nvm i just got to the part where he talks about it
bad vs patron warrior and 50/50 vs hunter and other zoo
Extreme taunt ramp druid is an option aswell.
At the very end there the warrior could of hit the imp gang boss to trigger the knife juggler and possibly win.
Christopher Smih I thought the same, that 50/50 was way better than what the Warrior could otherwise ask for, winpercentage-wise.
What say Homogoblin when you use it??
wow dude you type fast you type like 10 times faster then ME!
16:53 That was so cringy damn...
Yah trump can be a bit dumb.
Lighten up, he's having fun why aren't you.
Eternity4Evil This was literally the best thing i've seen in ages, it made me smile so much. It's awesome when you see him really enjoying himself like this, it aint cringy at all, lighten up man we're all just trying to have fun ^_^
Eternity4Evil i loled ^^
Eternity4Evil He was just having fun, why is everyone overreacting so much? Even himself realized he was going over the top and stopped all of a sudden.
Can you play something other than warlock
No dragon egg?
I wish I had Hobgoblin...
HERE, TAKE TRUMP---Hobgoblin
why dont u play anoy bot, works 3 well
Yeah its good but what do you take out? All the two drops in the deck rn are necessary
+水查子 In a zoo style deck, and with voidwalker already being there as a better standalone alternative, it won't be worth it. This is what he was talking about when he said people will make some really bad hobgoblin decks trying to make every minion one attack. I think he had 8 synergy minions to hobgoblin, and that's enough.
Golbins and gnoooomes
still waiting for hobgoblin paladin decks...
Hobgoblin doesn't work with muster or the hero power
ye it do, says when you summon a 1 attack minion, muster says summon 3 silver hand recruits. should work.
Doesn't work it says play and tried it
huh, i saw it in this video when enemy pal used mustard it said "Summon 3 Silver Hand Recruits and gain a 1/4 weapon"
are there like no aoes played anymore or is he just going all in hoping for no aoe?
Freeze mage be like, if only it was frost ball instead of fireball i would of killed u with that ice lance. And thats why a freeze mage shouldn't trust fire
Fireball does 6 damage, but frost bolt does 3, so with the ice lance it would have been 7 and trump would have still been alive on 3hp.
run the mogushan warden!!!!!
rakka rakka
Is it viable to put Cult Master in Zoo?
Milkeon The Cute Not really since you already have tap. Haven't tried it, though.
Yeah,but what do you think of Hunter zoo?
Hunter cant zoo
Why not? There are a lot of Neutral minions
Cancer... You call hunter cancer while there is Paladin. That disgusting piece of shit with Aldors,Minibots,that piece of shit legendary with weapon and Equality
trump goes to miss lethal all time
switch imp gang boss for impmaster for the hobgobo
Impmaster doesnt trigger hobgoblin either
its 1/5
I understand conceding on your turn if you don't draw the answer you need, but if you concede just to deny your opponent the satisfaction of finishing you, I don't like it. I see it way too often. -_-
New video...yeaah
you need to break free prison trump