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Комментарии • 157

  • @emilfacts
    @emilfacts 14 часов назад +473

    It's factually proven that profits go up by 10,000% if there are glizzies for sale at tournaments. Seems like a quick fix

    • @Roeclean
      @Roeclean 14 часов назад +1

      haha, PROOF OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN

    • @mr_0n10n5
      @mr_0n10n5 13 часов назад +14

      ​They sell glizzies in every successful sport (NBA, NFL, NHL etc)
      You might be onto something buddy

    • @julius333333
      @julius333333 13 часов назад +5

      especially if the glizzies are made from cafeinated cow meat

    • @dparaska
      @dparaska 13 часов назад

      Statistics show this to be true 68 percent of the time ;-)

    • @merpaderp.___.4648
      @merpaderp.___.4648 12 часов назад +1

      Name checks out

  • @AchedSphinx
    @AchedSphinx 14 часов назад +138

    no tv deals, twitch is free to look at, adblock exists. it's really tough to make consistent money that way. overwatch league did get something on TV i think but it was buried somewhere. for esports to work like nba, nfl, etc they'd need to find some consistent revenue from somewhere, otherwise it's just better to use the streamers themselves since they're actually getting views.

    • @benjisurf
      @benjisurf 13 часов назад

      overwatch league wasnt even buried it was on espn, it was just an incredibly bad esport

    • @Anything_Random
      @Anything_Random 12 часов назад +3

      @@benjisurf They had like 1 match a week on ESPN2 plus only like half their playoff games, it was kinda buried, there was no way to actually follow it on TV.

    • @michaelboyle7281
      @michaelboyle7281 10 часов назад

      I remember being in a hotel, switching on the TV and saw Overwatch on the screen. Then the tv like malfunctioned or some shit because I could not re-find the channel lmao

    • @zimbu_
      @zimbu_ 7 часов назад

      So, basically go back to 1999-2009 Korean Starcraft e-sports?

    • @frankwest5388
      @frankwest5388 4 часа назад

      Back in the day due to TVs stranglehold on home entertainment there was no competition for sports as an entertainments piece due to networking deals. Abe before that entertainment was basically dominated by whatever you could do in public spaces.
      Nowadays every sport and e-sport has to compete with every other form of entertainment at all times. Which means that E-sports and traditional sports suffer

  • @hiperbunny-x5g
    @hiperbunny-x5g 14 часов назад +147

    True, I actually believed that gaming would be as big as European Football, what a child I was back then.

    • @Olliertlol
      @Olliertlol 14 часов назад +25

      I mean gaming itself is huge, probably makes more than sports tbh. But yeah esports specifically is nowhere near as big

    • @Queenfisher444
      @Queenfisher444 12 часов назад +1

      It will. It’s only early days.

    • @User-pu3lc
      @User-pu3lc 11 часов назад +2

      Soccer has been around for over 200 years. Esports has been around for maybe 20?
      Give it time. VCs are notoriously dumb money. Some esports are already bigger than the NHL today.

    • @MarcusStiffarm
      @MarcusStiffarm 11 часов назад +6

      @@User-pu3lc the nba in its 20th year was alr negotiating 12k contracts for its players (equivalent to 125k in todays money) and alr had tv deals with nbc and abc😂

    • @mocapcow2933
      @mocapcow2933 11 часов назад +2

      @@Olliertloli think this is mainly because video games charge so much, and have so many micro transactions nowadays and less so about popularity. in culture, sports beat gaming by a landslide

  • @Thatguy-un4yq
    @Thatguy-un4yq 14 часов назад +79

    ooohhhhhhhhhh so that's why he's called Point Crow

  • @Bayuuk
    @Bayuuk 12 часов назад +35

    It also helps that for traditional sports they generally own the stadiums/can sell tickets. Most of the time for esports events the team/publisher doesn’t own the venue. So to rent it out even for 3 days it’s a massive loss

  • @BarginsGalore
    @BarginsGalore 14 часов назад +348

    i never understood how people thought league would have the same mass appeal as basketball or soccer. to a random person that shit is incomprehensible

    • @Dere2727
      @Dere2727 13 часов назад +75

      Even better was Blizzard convincing sports teams that overwatch was the future of sports. Even overwatch players can’t tell wtf is happening in a broadcast.

    • @ZZWWYZ
      @ZZWWYZ 13 часов назад +2

      @@Dere2727 that's Bobby's magic to ya

    • @ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917
      @ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 11 часов назад +24

      I feel like what they didn't really understand was that they needed to create some kind of culture around the e-sports.
      A big part of why the NFL makes so much is because pretty much every American city has their own team to root for, and a well-known trophy that they want their team to win.
      You never really had that with e-sports. You can watch the games online without buying a ticket, the prizes are often just money, and most people throughout the world don't even have the ability to attend events in-person. Plus, for the NFL they have entire seasons with a new 'important' game every week, with E-Sports you tend to only have a week of qualifying for a spot, and then a single tournament, with a finals match to determine the winner. It's hard to make money when that's the extent of the professional competitive scene.

    • @SYLin-rs8ob
      @SYLin-rs8ob 10 часов назад +21

      Ngl i think you're looking at it wrong, football has had 150 years to develop and grow and ingrain itself into American culture. That's why it makes so much money, it's had time to mature as a product and ecosystem. In the exact same way, elden ring dominated gaming not because of this mechanic or that design, but because the product was the culmination of several years of design and iteration and had fostered a dedicated following.

    • @harpot678
      @harpot678 9 часов назад +22

      @@SYLin-rs8ob But also NFL is incomprehensible to watch for everyone else. The games with actual mass appeal have easy things to understand "Ball go in hoop" or "Ball go in Goal".

  • @Donkeyiser
    @Donkeyiser 7 часов назад +21

    I think the difference between them is that a random person can look at football and know that it's impressive, even if they've never played.
    To outsiders, any computer game just looks like a nerd sweating over a computer screen for no reason.
    I have aunts that watch football and can still say 'wow what a catch'. I can never envisage a world where they're saying "wow, that Ashe ult was clutch!" without investing 200 hours into Solo Q

    • @billclinton1235
      @billclinton1235 5 часов назад +4

      "My grandson hits the meanest flicks" is a sentence that will change the world

  • @Jamsterman25
    @Jamsterman25 10 часов назад +15

    This conceptually reminds me of something DarkViperAU said after he slowed his gta V speed runs in favor of making more RUclips content: no single world record will ever gain as much popularity as a single charming and funny RUclips video. People care about personality and entertainment/enjoyment way more that skill. Content creation is money. Being skilled at a game is just cool

  • @Pyxyty
    @Pyxyty 13 часов назад +28

    5:09 genuinely, this dude does NOT know what he's saying lmao. to be clear, the chatter, not my pookie Big A

  • @jhanschoo
    @jhanschoo 11 часов назад +21

    The closest e-sport to being structured like regular sport because there's no IP attached to it is probably chess, and that's not even e-

    • @MetaLemonaide
      @MetaLemonaide 4 часа назад +4

      That’s why e-sports as a name is terrible. It should just be called pro gaming

  • @PfyscheStyx
    @PfyscheStyx 14 часов назад +40

    this is a better atrioc video than todays atrioc video. literally swap the Big A and the Atrioc vid and it makes sense

    • @Matkatamiba
      @Matkatamiba 10 часов назад +2

      Yeah but that one's more important and broad reaching of a topic

  • @jaxfilm
    @jaxfilm 13 часов назад +8

    Nice to see Modern MBA getting some attention from Big A

  • @tristanevans6173
    @tristanevans6173 14 часов назад +9

    some how ive caught the last 4 videos pre 10m

  • @matsiv5707
    @matsiv5707 12 часов назад +4

    the point about esports being a loss leader for games is something that is lost even to a lot of esport viewers. Riot does care a lot about esports not being on a separate patch because they want teams to kind of "play with the same rules" because Esports are about getting players more invested into the game

  • @ZeromuS_
    @ZeromuS_ 13 часов назад +1

    The brood war education was king lmao

  • @talentorious_
    @talentorious_ 14 часов назад +3

    2 Glizz 2 Glizzious

  • @delusion2987
    @delusion2987 14 часов назад +7

    league esports could have been more healthy, they just mismanage it.
    1) riot runs all tournaments and doesnt allow third parties to run their own events (ewc and the red bull event hopefully are signaling the start of a new era). the people obviously love seeing international play above domestic but the way riot runs it we only get to see that for about 6 weeks a year and its in formats that naturally mean people barely get to see their team play. just a few Bo1s, maybe a couple of Bo3 or Bo5, if they are lucky.
    2) they dont really do in-game cosmetics that are pro play related. only the worlds winners get a skin line. a lot of people would spend on a skin of the team they support domestically and thats per season or maybe even per split. they could have made skins for individual players. think of an InSec Lee Sin skin, or a MadLife Thresh skin or a Faker Zed skin. they could have made an absolute fortune off this when League was at its prime.

    • @technetium9653
      @technetium9653 11 часов назад +4

      Lets say riot does both, someone else runs the league, HOW DOES THAT ORGANISER make money, riot wont share the skins profit with the organiser why would they, what could they do if riot doesn't

    • @harpot678
      @harpot678 9 часов назад

      They don't allow 3rd parties to run events because of a certain event.

    • @flytelp
      @flytelp 7 часов назад +1

      Are you just counting league as the only esport? CS and Valorant are both massive esports that have hundreds of cosmetic items for esport teams from around the world.

    • @vinceb8123
      @vinceb8123 6 часов назад

      ​@@flytelp my brother in christ, the first word of the comment was "league"

    • @flytelp
      @flytelp 5 часов назад

      @@vinceb8123 damn I read “esport leagues”

  • @rayk1409
    @rayk1409 14 часов назад +34

    atrioc tuah!

  • @rubyboyke
    @rubyboyke 33 минуты назад

    Talking about brood wars made me remember a show that they had, where some celebrity guy wanted to become a pro and got into a pro team to practice and actually did official matches n stuff, anyone else watched that?

  • @11b11b1
    @11b11b1 8 часов назад +1

    the left picture on the thumbnail is from 2022 I believe, not 2018. It's DRX deft in his 2022 worlds.

  • @Hahlen
    @Hahlen 2 часа назад

    The counterpoint to this is content-led esports teams. PWR is the best example that I can think of. Over a million subscribers and consistently pulls hundreds of thousands of views every week. It’s run like a group content channel for all the signed creators and pro players. I haven’t seen any other org really replicate that formula. Ludwig has the opportunity to do it with MXS, but so far he only gets the players on his channel sometimes. I think content creators leading teams are the key to getting people to care about the team rather than just the players.

  • @Doombacon
    @Doombacon 10 часов назад +1

    So what you are saying is that PointCrow is the Larry Bird of basketball

  • @ZHERXIO
    @ZHERXIO 13 часов назад +1

    If more teams were like tsm they might be profitable as well. People aren't going to just endlessly buy jerseys. Making clothes that people would actually want to wear that aren't plastered with logos and actually look good is how tsm has been profitable despite having really popular players in the scene (glazing goes crazy ik)

    • @technetium9653
      @technetium9653 11 часов назад +2

      I mean it looks like being an eSports org is a more expensive way to become an influencer org, so why not cut the eSports and just be influencers

    • @ZHERXIO
      @ZHERXIO 10 часов назад

      @@technetium9653 esports orgs are trying to capture a different audience than an influencer might be. I agree tho having a big org behind you can definitely boost you into being an influencer. I think it's more so a case of the two crossing

  • @benvel2302
    @benvel2302 14 часов назад +8

    They should just have an in house gambling so that they can profit off the people betting to supplement ad revenue

    • @itzzausty
      @itzzausty 13 часов назад +5

      dangerous PR move and could face legal stuff in some countries advertising betting when so many viewers are underage and its marketed to underage

  • @kama6592
    @kama6592 4 часа назад +1

    modern mba mention we up

  • @LiamKerslake
    @LiamKerslake 8 часов назад

    i think if teams allow themselves to exist at a loss while making up for it in terms of streaming revenue (FAZE, MxS) or merchandising (TL, TSM) it can work. but by and large and by itself esports will unfortunately not work unless a game can fully cement itself for like 25-30 years as a leading esport. if a game is around long enough and a large community is fully established around it and ages around it i could see things evolving to where that game could get some sort of smaller tv deal.
    but it would require a game to really have that longevity for a MASSIVE audience, and be at least triple anything we’ve ever seen to this point. it will be a long time before we ever see that, but i do think that at some point esports will exist as a more cemented existence. the reality of a company being in control of the IP is very true though, and clearly these companies prefer it that way (wizards of the coast just reminded us of that)

  • @biteofdog
    @biteofdog 11 часов назад

    If sewing quilts was a competition, e-sports would be as interesting as that to the common person who would change the channel.

  • @Pedro-S
    @Pedro-S 12 часов назад +1

    esports teams must make riot pay them to play

  • @mattymattffs
    @mattymattffs 35 минут назад

    Here's the deal, most games are simply too complicated for a viewer to catch on without having played it themselves. If I'm watching hockey and someone asks me why did they blow that whistle I can explain that in two sentences. If someone is watching league and asks me what the hell just happened I have to give them a 30-minute tirade about riot games and the bullshit that they force onto the players

  • @christianblake2179
    @christianblake2179 8 часов назад

    I played basketball with pointcrow in high school, and can confirm he does caw when he drains 3’s.(I am 21 and have never met him in my life).

  • @k3nnytm
    @k3nnytm 11 часов назад

    Yay he watched my recommendation!!!

  • @MessyMasyn
    @MessyMasyn 8 часов назад

    the first time ive seen a reaction video shorter than the original

  • @jonathanvitesse9471
    @jonathanvitesse9471 3 часа назад

    I also think one of the big reasons is that you’re not supporting your country or your city or your region, you support a random organisation because you might like some of the players for unknown reason. There is a lot less reasons to spend money on a team you like because you just like them, and the only team that are able to do that and generate a lot of money are streamer’s team, like kameto or ibai in europe because there is a community and a reason to engage

  • @MLPEnjoyer-qu2yg
    @MLPEnjoyer-qu2yg 7 часов назад +1

    Teams should forbid members from even showing up alone; that way HyperX needs to talk to CLG first, and CLG can just take 50%. You're either making content for game, or you go for the fame and glory as the best ever.

  • @Prod_Xanta
    @Prod_Xanta 11 часов назад

    USA network mlg show is the reason my hands hurt from playing claw for 18 years

  • @emperesque1218
    @emperesque1218 14 часов назад

    It says a lot when GenG, one of the most consistently top ranked orgs in League of Legends and now Valorant, is still broke and bleeding money. And almost all League esports orgs are the same if not worse.

  • @timedown
    @timedown 13 часов назад +1

    a new way that teams are making serious money is buy doing affiliate deals in games for example in valorant gun skins launched this year and made millions riot takes 50% and the teams get the other half aswell as the champions bundle which is also split 50/50 and made the teams 40mil this year

    • @jnogales
      @jnogales 13 часов назад

      yea this isn't "new". cs has had 50/50 sticker split with teams since 2014 katowice and COD has had cdl skins since like 2019/2020

    • @jnogales
      @jnogales 13 часов назад

      btw blast 2023 sticker sales made teams 110m vs 40m in val 💀

    • @djawaits7978
      @djawaits7978 12 часов назад +2

      @@jnogales That's obviously because of the difference in how monetization works in both games. In CS, you can buy multiples because it's just gambling. In Val, you can only buy the skin once per account.

  • @joshstead6078
    @joshstead6078 5 часов назад +1

    I might be missing something but why do the esports companies (like Riot, not the teams) themselves not take on a bunch of advertising and sponsorships? Real sports have an absolute ton of it during the games, but esports often just has a red bull and or something and that's it

    • @perdyIo
      @perdyIo 5 часов назад +2

      Because it's not worth for the sponsors

  • @pablojimenezalonso584
    @pablojimenezalonso584 6 часов назад

    I was a s1mple (ex-NaVi cs player) fan and now Im still a navi fan even though he is not on the team anymore 😅

  • @BigBigBigJeff
    @BigBigBigJeff 6 часов назад

    If riot hadn't set a precedent that esports was free they wouldn't be in this predicament. People sub $5 to random streamers but won't pay 5 dollars for league of legends tournaments... Would actually be profitable

  • @chanceroberson7517
    @chanceroberson7517 9 часов назад

    I think if Faze Banks took up Ludwig’s vape deal, Faze would be just fine rn

  • @frosyiz2881
    @frosyiz2881 14 часов назад

    thank you for the video coffee cow

  • @pineapplescuddleduck
    @pineapplescuddleduck 14 часов назад +1

    coffee cow

  • @User-pu3lc
    @User-pu3lc 11 часов назад

    US sports leagues cap salaries to keep teams finances manageable.
    Esports, as a global entertainment product, can’t do that due to varying labor laws around the world.
    Soccer clubs in Europe are in the same financial situation with a global talent pool as esports teams, most are unprofitable and serve separate purposes to oligarch owners.

  • @J0hn5mi7h42
    @J0hn5mi7h42 4 часа назад

    ModernMBA is such a goated channel

  • @adaqable
    @adaqable 8 часов назад

    Harder to appreciate, lack of dunks/touchdowns, some games have really bad overview. There is also not much generational culture built, Soccer/football are literal religions, kids need to grow up in households that watch. And there are too many games and some of them are too brief in existence.

  • @Rcrobodude
    @Rcrobodude 14 часов назад

    TLDR
    yes.

  • @Palozon
    @Palozon 11 часов назад +8

    I think esports can't self-sustain, self-perpetuate the same way traditional sports can, as a matter of IP.
    Like in comparison something like Soccer isn't going anywhere. Huge organizations can make bank off of it but it's quite healthy that something like FIFA can't _own_ football, the sport itself. Esports in turn only develop as far as the developers, and no further.

  • @googleslave
    @googleslave 13 часов назад +3

    To be fair international football actually almost became like this tho, people doesn't care anymore about the team or 'farmer' league they played in as long as it's Cristiano Ronaldo or Lionel Messi play there they'll religiously support.

  • @MetaLemonaide
    @MetaLemonaide 4 часа назад

    DAE think part of the problem with gaming is that it’s too diverse? There are two major sports in the US, football and basketball. Sure, baseball gets some views but it’s less. Gamers there are plenty, but they don’t all play the same two games. Unless the popular games are worshiped like in SK, they will never have the same profitability.

  • @slimsautomotiverepair8714
    @slimsautomotiverepair8714 43 минуты назад

    its because they didnt add micro transactions evry 3 minutes during the matches for fans to buy

  • @flag1663
    @flag1663 14 часов назад

    No mention of OpTic which are probably the best org that make content that people watch and can get sponsors now

  • @quadsnipershot
    @quadsnipershot 13 часов назад

    Modern mba is a goat RUclipsr

  • @cyprys4848
    @cyprys4848 14 часов назад +8

    Glizzy

  • @_mtomm2689
    @_mtomm2689 12 часов назад

    Would love a video on overwatch league similar to the csgo video

  • @kyle_mk17
    @kyle_mk17 14 часов назад

    Brandon "GlizzyHands" Ewing is too big to fail.

  • @a_veryluckybuddy
    @a_veryluckybuddy 14 часов назад +2

    doomer mindset

  • @galador8089
    @galador8089 8 часов назад

    “2018” -> uses picture from 2022

  • @the1sH0
    @the1sH0 7 часов назад

    be dota, put a png trinked out so the players pay for the entire TI and make the pricepool higher for the players
    esports is allways about the players not about the team. everything that makes a team popular was because of players.
    sports have the "homeground" something you get to cheer for because where you grew up. Shure sometimes you start liking a team because of a season of good players and stick with it.
    but in esports its 90% player and if those leave you follow the new team, its rare that you care for one team without combining it with players (even T1 would not be so strong as brand without Faker.. shure a lagacy name but so was Samsung Blue)

  • @CarimboHanky
    @CarimboHanky 6 часов назад

    esport never made sense to me
    i cant even stand to watch people play a game on stream

    • @mattymattffs
      @mattymattffs 32 минуты назад

      💯. Watching people play a game is dumb af. Just play it yourself. You bring a big dumb

  • @biteofdog
    @biteofdog 11 часов назад

    E-Sports is way way too niche, even the e-sports name sounds dated.

  • @admdubya2107
    @admdubya2107 12 часов назад +2

    I had to listen to people really sincerely telling me that pro gamers are athletes.

    • @ninjakirby777
      @ninjakirby777 11 часов назад +2

      They added esports to the olympics recently, also how is it’s much closer to other competitive games like chess than chess is to athletics.

    • @FlanPoirot
      @FlanPoirot 6 часов назад

      woah chill bro, they are athletes, they wake up everyday to do finger push ups and gain button smashing stamina
      why you hate huh? are u jelly or sum'?

  • @telkaivokalma
    @telkaivokalma 13 часов назад +3

    I believed Esports would be big, but back then we had player personalities and team recognition. The whole esports thing died for me personally when imaqtpie left. And you could feel a similar rift affecting every part of the whole esports scene. Imports and a major focus on winning and less on fun ruined it all. Personalities disappeared and the balance between fun and competitive was toppled. The money was only in winning. Caster personalities were getting screwed over, players getting screwed over, every week a new controversy. Idk what anyone expected.

  • @robertfoster167
    @robertfoster167 14 часов назад

    which video did you compare nvidia and bitcoin with near identical charts? it wasnt long ago

    • @aceacer2681
      @aceacer2681 10 часов назад

      That’s the ‘Always Buy The Dip ‘ video

    • @robertfoster167
      @robertfoster167 2 часа назад

      @@aceacer2681 appreciate it!

  • @privtprofile24
    @privtprofile24 14 часов назад

    Messi SIUUUUUU

  • @Keeby.
    @Keeby. 13 часов назад +6

    esports can only rly thrive if its a large/ dedicated fan base for a fighting game, or if it has alot of backing from the publisher
    also saudi arabia trying to take over esports is a terrible thing for the industry, bc players dont want to go there and it excludes alot of players for obvious reasons

    • @User-pu3lc
      @User-pu3lc 11 часов назад +3

      The FGC is incredibly small.

    • @ninjakirby777
      @ninjakirby777 10 часов назад +2

      Fr if anyone takes saudi money that’s my cue to bail on them because they obviously don’t care for the safety of others.

  • @Kaodusanya
    @Kaodusanya 11 часов назад

    Wait esports are dead?

  • @connormc711
    @connormc711 14 часов назад +13

    If I may point this out, crypto killed esports by getting them to sellout. Facts

    • @Oblivion9873
      @Oblivion9873 14 часов назад

      No, esports killed itself by selling out to crypto. Don't deny the esports orgs their own agency in their self destruction

    • @Me-ui1zy
      @Me-ui1zy 14 часов назад

      With respect thats fucking cope.

    • @BarginsGalore
      @BarginsGalore 14 часов назад +5

      sellout or no the economics just never worked

    • @Brooks385
      @Brooks385 14 часов назад +8

      No you may not point this out, denied

    • @connormc711
      @connormc711 14 часов назад +1

      @@Brooks385 crap now I gotta take it down 😂

  • @Vantaz
    @Vantaz 9 часов назад

    Please stop changing the thumbnail and title 20 times after an upload it's really annoying to keep up with

  • @faisalk.7520
    @faisalk.7520 14 часов назад +1

    Second

  • @ThingsAnStuff
    @ThingsAnStuff 11 часов назад

    Normal sports also has deathly loyal fans that have folllowed there team or their player for generations sometimes. Not only is competitive video gaming relatively new, but gamers are also the most petty, unloyal fans with no attention span, they follow whatever’s trendy at the time with a few exceptions like counterstrike and dota.

    • @User-pu3lc
      @User-pu3lc 11 часов назад

      Go check EU v NA chat at Worlds… both regions aren’t great but they go to war with each other over who is better 😂

    • @aikentang
      @aikentang 2 часа назад

      There's team loyalty in the Indonesian scene in the past 2 years. But since its mostly the mobile scene, most of the West doesnt know about it

  • @Luminousreign
    @Luminousreign 14 часов назад

    Esports have never made money. It was an obvious bubble from the start. Just another case of big money thinking they know where the future is when they are super out of touch.

  • @HatFishy
    @HatFishy 14 часов назад +1

    Atioc