First of all, I own both a 2004 LTZ and a 2007 LTR 450. The LTR is much faster with more torque and horsepower yes!. The z400 is not far behind it in speed or power either. It is true the front end on the Ltz's were light!. Which added to the thrill of the ride. There really is no perfect balance between too light or too heavy front end. Yes the old gens were carbureted!. But replacing a carburetor and jets is much easier and cheaper than messing around with efi. I've heard people complain forever about the chain adjustment. I've never had a problem with this patent. If you know how to take care of it and do it right it'll never cause any problems. The fact that Suzuki stopped making them is not a problem either. Plenty of parts and aftermarkets available. There were not that many second generation models made and they are hard to come by. I've never seen a first gen listed for over $4,000 unless it was completely outfitted with all aftermarket racing components. The second gen owners want an arm and a leg on marketplace. Which I find ridiculous. I had a 2012 ltz. My evaluation, they were like a very slow and sluggish ltr. With the old style carrier, plus 40 lbs heavier. The problem with All sport ATVs is this, The vast majority of them were bought and owned by non-mechanically inclined idiots who didn't have any money to repair or replace broken components after they beat the living snot out of these machines. Then when they couldn't afford the bank payments they sold the problems to the next sucker. Same as a car or truck motorcycle or any other merchandise. The LTZ 400 was a fine machine as with all machines it had some flaws. If you didn't beat the hell out of it and maintained it and treated it like the prize it was they would look like my machines!. Old and pristine and perfect mechanical condition.
I have an 06, that I bought for 1900 & was beat up pretty good. I’ve put abt 2000-2200 in it fixing all the problems & she rips great now. You are correct on how light the frt end is especially with the extra umph of a big bore kit. I do find myself riding my Z400 more than my 400ex. Both great quads but the Z400 spins the crank quicker due to its shorter stroke bigger bore engine.
Speed is not the end all to quads with some of us. I enjoyed the heck out of my 2006 DVX 400 I bought new but sold to get into side-by-sides. But now many years later, I have the itch to get another 400 just for the fun factor. I haven't ridden the Suzuki 450, but I did ride my friends Yamaha YFZ several years ago and while it was wicked fast, came to the conclusion I just don't need it for the type of riding I do. Different strokes and all that. But I must say, in my search for a 400 I am pretty shocked at the prices of them these days considering their age.
I’m with you on everything but the comparison to the 450s. Especially a yfz 450. There’s a reason why LTZs are becoming expensive. They’re sought after more than a yfz 450. Carb model YFZ 450s (04-06) had major issues. (07-08) saw those issues corrected but again it’s not very reliable, and as most trail riders would say, they prefer to spend time riding not wrenching. 09+ YFZs are great machines but it’s a different animal. They’re race orientated. They require higher revving so unless you’re an experienced rider you’re forced to ride at high speed on every trail. An LTZ 400 offers the ability for high speed and cruising. I’ve ridden both but there’s a reason why im on my 9th LTZ 400 (2007 limited edition) and the yfz 450 was a one and done. Giving up reliability for a little more speed. By the way you can fit a 434 big bore kit on a stock cylinder. Find a $3K LTZ, stick that in there, and now you have a reliable, fast trail machine WITH reverse. Great Channel, seems like you’re in NC im guessing. If you are let me know if you’re down to go for a ride.
@@romper4444 yes, the Z with a 434, an fcr carb and a full pipe will hold its own for the most part. Straightaways is where the gearing of the YFZ beats it but if you’re in the woods, the Z is just as capable and with the right rider, faster. All while you’re 5 years into the top end, vs the YFZ rider who has to rebuild his every year.
I bought my 03 about a year ago for $1500 running. Put a lot of time and over $500 into it and it’s finally coming around to being able to be rode. Feels like it sits high and suspension feels a bit rolly compared to my old 400ex. Buts it’s still a great quad!
I just bought a 03 and only problem I have to fix is the crank case set and that is about it But I will definitely like to say I think they could have done a little better on the wall thickness of the crack Case set around the shifter and stuff because I have noticed it like a manger week spot but other than that I love mine
I bought one recently not running in complete condition didn’t look horrible had been sitting but got it for $400 and it’s getting rebuilt with the 434 bore Kit factory carburetor being redone and rejetted to compensate and getting new hardened valves, springs retainers and all for less than $2,000 and a bunch of other new parts as well
I checked out your video and I understand what you’re saying but my Z 400 is completely stock and I’m neck to neck with any 450. It has plenty of power and it is very reliable. Yes mines is old it’s a 2003 but never ever give me a problem.
Nice! They really are great quads. Honestly I was trying to brainstorm video ideas and just give some honest feedback. Thank you for watching and commenting.
My 2005 had about 80 hours on it when I got it last year. It runs and reacts fine. It's not my 700r but respectable on trails. BTW, I paid 3k for it. Great video.
You forgot about the frame where the shocks meet the frame cracks. Reverse gear is very weak and even with the rev limiter it will come apart. Rear axel isn't the strongest. Bars are weak. And my spine still hurts to this day from all the crashes lol. Not its fault tho. Still awesome and very reliable and most likely you wont face these issues if you don't go HAM on it. Top speed into the wind 65mph with a gear swap and a high wind it can do 100 mph.
sold my 05 LTZ400 and got a 2006 TRX400EX...to me after owning both. the honda was just reliable and easier to thropw around than the suzuki. at times the suzuki felt weir coming out of turns full throttle on the slide. it bounces alot and the power band can be finicky and unporedictable
How would decelerating make the front end feel light? I say that because every time you jump it you have to really watch it. And i had 2 different friends with atv experience both almost flip back while jumping it. It makes it more playful but its not a neutral flyer like the 2nd gen. Depends on preference but it is a characteristic
@@FunGoingFast yeah I agree, mine is a little back heavy but I thought you meant in the video that’s why it was light in the front. I just misunderstood that’s it. Whenever I jump mine I always have to lean towards the back so I get what you’re saying now thanks!
2006 and she runs mint and I beat the piss out of it every day I’m taking banging limiter and let’s not forget it’s not much slower then a 450 and has electrical start in reverse 2 things a 450 doesn’t have and they sell for 2-3k buddy your only looking at the high priced ones that’s y they where all over the country not it one state 😢
I agree with all of your points. When I was looking at prices those are from West Virginia, Virginia, North and South Carolina, Tennesee and Georgia so much more than one state. And those prices are still holding other than a few exceptions.
I frequently watch Canadian z400 prices, now they are lower in Quebec if that's where your looking but Canadian wise, it's pretty much unheard of for a z400 to be less than 2k so be VERY weary of that quad, especially if it's your first quad and you have no mechanical experience or knowledge. Your better off saving more and for 3k u can get a "decent" one but it will still require work but at least it'll be rideable in the meantime. For 1700 bucks, it's prolly beat to hell. But hey if your lookin to learn from the project and u have income continually coming in you can work on it and hopefully ride it as you go and you'll learn a sh*t ton along the way 👍🏻
The LTZ400 has more power than a Honda 450 all day. There’s plenty of RUclips videos to prove that the Suzuki LTZ 400 is very reliable and very powerful but I do have to admit a Honda does handle a little bit better.
it has reverse and is a 400cc race class bike. any problems it has can be easily fixed and reworked if you know what your doing. other than that mine hast ran in 6 years and i just fixed it so stop talking smack.
Talking smack? Are you 12? Nothing I said was inaccurate. No machine is perfect. And Im a big fan of theZ400. Im continually impressed by the intelligence and maturity of youtube. .
@@FunGoingFast WHOA calm tf down man it was a joke. im only saying that because i have one i even mention it hasnt ran in years it obviously went over your head but yea your right youtube is dumb isnt it.
Put a fcr 39mm carb light weight flywheel new or used cdi for more rpms. Also custom airbox. Athena 435cc kit. I bought my 2004 ltz400 with burnt valves for $500. Then found these mods on Suzuki central and a 450 couldn't touch it Ina drag at busco beach NC. It came with an out dated hotcam as well. I weighed 280lbs too. ruclips.net/user/shortsqnfPc4TBFkc?feature=share Yellow bike near inside wall. I would smoke all bikes even being a fatass
I also extended the rear 2" and lower the front 1". I strapped the front full bottom when dragging bit without said straps was able to trail ride normal. I also had maxxis 4snow rear tires for the drag surface.
Yeah i see them going for the same price as a 450 but after a long day of trail riding the 450 will beat the hell out of you talking from experience i do own a banshee fast af but i rather take my kfx400 for the trails best quad ever made for the trails imo
I agree with that 100%. My buddy had a Z400 I hopped on directly from my yfz 450 (and hadnt been on a z400 in awhile) and was shocked at how much more comfortable It felt. And I sold my 2021 YFZ 450R because it wqs juat too tiring to ride. I did a YFZ450 bs LTZ400 comparisom video and said the same. The 400 ergonomics are really dialed in. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Check out my Five Reasons to Buy a Z400. ruclips.net/video/rMBEKOdIifQ/видео.html
First of all, I own both a 2004 LTZ and a 2007 LTR 450. The LTR is much faster with more torque and horsepower yes!. The z400 is not far behind it in speed or power either. It is true the front end on the Ltz's were light!. Which added to the thrill of the ride. There really is no perfect balance between too light or too heavy front end. Yes the old gens were carbureted!. But replacing a carburetor and jets is much easier and cheaper than messing around with efi. I've heard people complain forever about the chain adjustment. I've never had a problem with this patent. If you know how to take care of it and do it right it'll never cause any problems. The fact that Suzuki stopped making them is not a problem either. Plenty of parts and aftermarkets available. There were not that many second generation models made and they are hard to come by. I've never seen a first gen listed for over $4,000 unless it was completely outfitted with all aftermarket racing components. The second gen owners want an arm and a leg on marketplace. Which I find ridiculous. I had a 2012 ltz.
My evaluation, they were like a very slow and sluggish ltr. With the old style carrier, plus 40 lbs heavier.
The problem with All sport ATVs is this,
The vast majority of them were bought and owned by non-mechanically inclined idiots who didn't have any money to repair or replace broken components after they beat the living snot out of these machines. Then when they couldn't afford the bank payments they sold the problems to the next sucker. Same as a car or truck motorcycle or any other merchandise. The LTZ 400 was a fine machine as with all machines it had some flaws. If you didn't beat the hell out of it and maintained it and treated it like the prize it was they would look like my machines!. Old and pristine and perfect mechanical condition.
I have an 06, that I bought for 1900 & was beat up pretty good. I’ve put abt 2000-2200 in it fixing all the problems & she rips great now. You are correct on how light the frt end is especially with the extra umph of a big bore kit. I do find myself riding my Z400 more than my 400ex. Both great quads but the Z400 spins the crank quicker due to its shorter stroke bigger bore engine.
Way more power from a z when moded but a 400ex rides a bit smoother
Speed is not the end all to quads with some of us. I enjoyed the heck out of my 2006 DVX 400 I bought new but sold to get into side-by-sides. But now many years later, I have the itch to get another 400 just for the fun factor. I haven't ridden the Suzuki 450, but I did ride my friends Yamaha YFZ several years ago and while it was wicked fast, came to the conclusion I just don't need it for the type of riding I do. Different strokes and all that. But I must say, in my search for a 400 I am pretty shocked at the prices of them these days considering their age.
Well put. Thanks for commenting.
I’m with you on everything but the comparison to the 450s. Especially a yfz 450. There’s a reason why LTZs are becoming expensive. They’re sought after more than a yfz 450. Carb model YFZ 450s (04-06) had major issues. (07-08) saw those issues corrected but again it’s not very reliable, and as most trail riders would say, they prefer to spend time riding not wrenching. 09+ YFZs are great machines but it’s a different animal. They’re race orientated. They require higher revving so unless you’re an experienced rider you’re forced to ride at high speed on every trail. An LTZ 400 offers the ability for high speed and cruising. I’ve ridden both but there’s a reason why im on my 9th LTZ 400 (2007 limited edition) and the yfz 450 was a one and done. Giving up reliability for a little more speed. By the way you can fit a 434 big bore kit on a stock cylinder. Find a $3K LTZ, stick that in there, and now you have a reliable, fast trail machine WITH reverse.
Great Channel, seems like you’re in NC im guessing. If you are let me know if you’re down to go for a ride.
Great counterpoints. Yep I am in western Norrh Carolina. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Did u find the z400 434/440cc big bore kits equalled the carb'd yfz450 in power? Or maybe the 1st gen '04/05 trx450r? Thx
@@romper4444 yes, the Z with a 434, an fcr carb and a full pipe will hold its own for the most part. Straightaways is where the gearing of the YFZ beats it but if you’re in the woods, the Z is just as capable and with the right rider, faster. All while you’re 5 years into the top end, vs the YFZ rider who has to rebuild his every year.
I bought my 03 about a year ago for $1500 running. Put a lot of time and over $500 into it and it’s finally coming around to being able to be rode. Feels like it sits high and suspension feels a bit rolly compared to my old 400ex. Buts it’s still a great quad!
Glad you finally got it straightened out. They do sit a little high for a sport aerial quad. They are a lot of fun. Thanks for commenting.
@@FunGoingFast it’s getting there. The biggest issue now is that it will die every time i try to come to a stop and will be kinda hard to start back.
@LonerTrails did you ever figure out what was causing it?
@ nah I didn’t. Quad ended up being issue after issue so I got rid of it
I just bought a 03 and only problem I have to fix is the crank case set and that is about it
But I will definitely like to say I think they could have done a little better on the wall thickness of the crack Case set around the shifter and stuff because I have noticed it like a manger week spot but other than that I love mine
Glad you are enjoying it. They are a lot of fun. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I bought one recently not running in complete condition didn’t look horrible had been sitting but got it for $400 and it’s getting rebuilt with the 434 bore Kit factory carburetor being redone and rejetted to compensate and getting new hardened valves, springs retainers and all for less than $2,000 and a bunch of other new parts as well
Nice! Should be a blast. Enjoy.
Turn the rear shock rebound down about a 1/4 turn helps a lot.
Love that I’m not the only one who calls it a z400
Ha. Seems like it has 3 or 4 names.
I checked out your video and I understand what you’re saying but my Z 400 is completely stock and I’m neck to neck with any 450. It has plenty of power and it is very reliable. Yes mines is old it’s a 2003 but never ever give me a problem.
Nice! They really are great quads. Honestly I was trying to brainstorm video ideas and just give some honest feedback. Thank you for watching and commenting.
Those 4000 dollar LTZ400 sit around on marketplace forever around Oklahoma. It seems more of a $2500 clean machine in my area.
Got a pretty good condition DVX400 for $1750, all plastics in tact, completely bone stock. Have gone on a few trail trips, no complaints so far.
Nice! That is a great deal for that machine. Enjoy.
Thanks! should last a long time, got it for my wife so it won't get ridden too hard haha.@@FunGoingFast
My 2005 had about 80 hours on it when I got it last year. It runs and reacts fine. It's not my 700r but respectable on trails. BTW, I paid 3k for it. Great video.
Great to hear. And nice price. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Not really too old.... I ride a 1998 Blaster every weekend and it's been perfectly reliable...
You forgot about the frame where the shocks meet the frame cracks. Reverse gear is very weak and even with the rev limiter it will come apart. Rear axel isn't the strongest. Bars are weak. And my spine still hurts to this day from all the crashes lol. Not its fault tho. Still awesome and very reliable and most likely you wont face these issues if you don't go HAM on it. Top speed into the wind 65mph with a gear swap and a high wind it can do 100 mph.
I love my ltz 400
2008? Were you referring to the last year for the carb model only? Cause the FI model ran from '09 to 2014
Correct. Hence the title of 1st Gen.
Thank you
All very true but you forgot carb issues
Oh ok. I never had those wirh mine.
The z 400 is a trail quad totally and a yfz can be trail ridden but more of a track machine and also more work to trail ride the 450 as well
Agreed.
Great video
Thanks!
sold my 05 LTZ400 and got a 2006 TRX400EX...to me after owning both. the honda was just reliable and easier to thropw around than the suzuki. at times the suzuki felt weir coming out of turns full throttle on the slide. it bounces alot and the power band can be finicky and unporedictable
Ive never ridden a 400 ex but have heard a lot of good things. Thanks for commenting.
A am buying raptor 700 for 3600 and I bought my ltz400 for 4000 it is all original except the front bumper and the pipe and the raptor has no problems
Nice. Enjoy.
I think one of the reasons that “the front is light” is because you had it in like 4th gear and let off the clutch like a rocket and killed it
How would decelerating make the front end feel light? I say that because every time you jump it you have to really watch it. And i had 2 different friends with atv experience both almost flip back while jumping it. It makes it more playful but its not a neutral flyer like the 2nd gen. Depends on preference but it is a characteristic
@@FunGoingFast yeah I agree, mine is a little back heavy but I thought you meant in the video that’s why it was light in the front. I just misunderstood that’s it. Whenever I jump mine I always have to lean towards the back so I get what you’re saying now thanks!
I paid 1300 for mine ride ready moving sell love it
Nice deal!
New drr450 is good. Z400 was the best it's comfy.
It does have great ergonomics. Agreed.
2006 and she runs mint and I beat the piss out of it every day I’m taking banging limiter and let’s not forget it’s not much slower then a 450 and has electrical start in reverse 2 things a 450 doesn’t have and they sell for 2-3k buddy your only looking at the high priced ones that’s y they where all over the country not it one state 😢
I agree with all of your points. When I was looking at prices those are from West Virginia, Virginia, North and South Carolina, Tennesee and Georgia so much more than one state. And those prices are still holding other than a few exceptions.
Im going to check one out tommorow for 1750$CAD first bike and this is kinda scaring me
They are really fun atvs. But I would not buy one that has been abused. And look closely at the rear swing to be sure the bolts arent stripped.
I frequently watch Canadian z400 prices, now they are lower in Quebec if that's where your looking but Canadian wise, it's pretty much unheard of for a z400 to be less than 2k so be VERY weary of that quad, especially if it's your first quad and you have no mechanical experience or knowledge. Your better off saving more and for 3k u can get a "decent" one but it will still require work but at least it'll be rideable in the meantime. For 1700 bucks, it's prolly beat to hell. But hey if your lookin to learn from the project and u have income continually coming in you can work on it and hopefully ride it as you go and you'll learn a sh*t ton along the way 👍🏻
The LTZ400 has more power than a Honda 450 all day. There’s plenty of RUclips videos to prove that the Suzuki LTZ 400 is very reliable and very powerful but I do have to admit a Honda does handle a little bit better.
The 450 will kill my 400
I paid 1400 for mine
it has reverse and is a 400cc race class bike. any problems it has can be easily fixed and reworked if you know what your doing. other than that mine hast ran in 6 years and i just fixed it so stop talking smack.
Talking smack? Are you 12? Nothing I said was inaccurate. No machine is perfect. And Im a big fan of theZ400. Im continually impressed by the intelligence and maturity of youtube. .
@@FunGoingFast WHOA calm tf down man it was a joke. im only saying that because i have one i even mention it hasnt ran in years it obviously went over your head but yea your right youtube is dumb isnt it.
Put a fcr 39mm carb light weight flywheel new or used cdi for more rpms. Also custom airbox. Athena 435cc kit. I bought my 2004 ltz400 with burnt valves for $500. Then found these mods on Suzuki central and a 450 couldn't touch it Ina drag at busco beach NC. It came with an out dated hotcam as well. I weighed 280lbs too. ruclips.net/user/shortsqnfPc4TBFkc?feature=share
Yellow bike near inside wall. I would smoke all bikes even being a fatass
Yes that's a predator getting eaten
I also extended the rear 2" and lower the front 1". I strapped the front full bottom when dragging bit without said straps was able to trail ride normal. I also had maxxis 4snow rear tires for the drag surface.
Stock rod and stock bottom end. They can handle more than anyone thought
Haha. Sounds like a killer build.
Yeah i see them going for the same price as a 450 but after a long day of trail riding the 450 will beat the hell out of you talking from experience i do own a banshee fast af but i rather take my kfx400 for the trails best quad ever made for the trails imo
I agree with that 100%. My buddy had a Z400 I hopped on directly from my yfz 450 (and hadnt been on a z400 in awhile) and was shocked at how much more comfortable It felt. And I sold my 2021 YFZ 450R because it wqs juat too tiring to ride. I did a YFZ450 bs LTZ400 comparisom video and said the same. The 400 ergonomics are really dialed in. Thanks for watching and commenting.
my z 400 is 19 years old and she still looks beautiful in an ugly way.
Haha. I get it! I always thought Suzuki yellow was the best. Even back in the RM days in the 80s.
3k for one your special
Im about to buy a 03 ltz 400 never even rode any quads lr motorcycles.
You will be good. It is quick but definitely manageable and a lot of fun. Enjoy!