I'm a 30 year master certified RV tech that owns a independent shop so I can tell you things dealers and people that work for dealers cant. I see a lot of late model cougars come in with roof problems, soft floors and even delamination and even on this new one I see the sloopy job the manufacturer did butting that roof against the fiberglass cap. Thats a leak waiting to happen if its not already leaking. no vapor barrier in the outside bays thats going to let moisture in from your outside bays that will eventually lead to mildew and odors. Plus I'm sure its on a lippert frame so make sure you get it reinforced before you warp it hitting a pothole. That window on the front is another leak concern plus how expensive is it if a rock goes thru it to replace? these are things a well informed RV shopper should be looking for besides how pretty the colors are or if the Floorplan is right for them or if they want a table and chairs or booth. and as a tech I highly recommend you get any new or used RV inspected by a 3rd party before purchase. The stuff being built new since the pandemic started is the worse I have seen in over 30 years doing this. Its well worth the cost because modern factory warranties will try to weasel themselves out of paying most claims so do not use that as a crutch or let your dealer use that as a excuse to let you take a new camper with defects. And aftermarket warranties are a absolute complete waste of money. All you are doing is giving the dealer a few extra thousand in profit buying one of those. Dont buy a camper that will fall apart before you can finish paying it off. they all look good new. Look at a cougar or whatever brand you want to buy new that is 5 or 6 years or even 10 years old if you want to see how well they hold up. Good luck and be smart. Dont get fooled or roped in by a good dog and pony show.
Thank you! Yes leaks are a big concern I've been seeing and hearing. Even several of the inside so called 'decor' serms to be cheaply thrown in (like the sheer curtain) just to make $. Don't know anyone that likes a bulky dinette in smaller couples trailers.
Thx for offering some insights TJ but it's important I think to mention that *nearly everything you've said here could apply to the RV industry at large* & is not specific exclusively to Cougar while your comments are highly cougar-focused. A rock could go thru an RV's windshield as you've mentioned.. sure. it could also go through your vehicle's windshield and the vehicle is on the Road daily rather than only occasionally. Your trailers also has the benefit of a vehicle in front of it blocking most of the frontage with a stone guard below where the majority of stones it anyways. Is there an RV you feel isn't guilty of all of the items you've discussed here? I'm all about sharing information but what's the alternative?
I could do without a window in the front easily. There's plenty of windows, and having a big one at my head...that is also a rock magnet...is not necessary.
Our Cougar took a rock in a construction zone this year and it chipped just like an automotive windshield will. I think these are automotive windshields so while I hate chips I'm not concerned about it breaking anymore than my truck windshield.
I would get rid of the dinette and put the tv there with a fire place. I would also make it so the tv come up out from behind the fireplace with a remote. Don’t need a privacy wall because nobody else would be there but me. But they could do the newer version of the bifold door🤷🏽♀️ Full time is exactly what I’m looking for.
Great suggestion about doing the fireplace with the elevator! All they would need to do is include a standalone table to put in front of the theater seats and you would be set.
I purchased one just like this about a month ago. The door shade opens from the top now and the black screws above the kitchen sink are now white. But Josh, you didn’t tell everyone about the theater seats, I was surprised that they were heated and massage seats and the cup holders are also lit along with an accent light underneath them. But what I really found out that I thought was the coolest thing was the iN·Command was Bluetooth compatible. You can do everything from your phone. I’m just astatic about this cool little camper.
I'd be curious to know the build date of your RV. The shade opening bottom-up is the current standard though there were a handful that got out before the door supplier made that change OR... could be someone at your dealership flipped it
I’d also like to add on the 2-way fridge. Had a time at Warren dunes last year flooding caused electric out. My propane available on my fridge, and my solar, kept me camping with my grandkids AND I was able to help other campers who were hit much harder in the situation. Electricity can go out. I like the back up, I had not bright my generator that trip. It was a savior
This by far is my favorite Rig and it's a very improved version of our 2012 North Trail. I believe it's one of the reasons I like it so much. The fact that our F-150 could pull this with no problem also makes it the perfect couples camper for us as well. Super nice updates on it Josh!
We don't watch TV in our 22 mls. We're camping and views from our recliners out all of those windows are amazing! Those sliding windows are super nice. We like our dinette and that it becomes a bed for a grandkid when they're with us. You can't beat this floorplan when the slide is in or out.
As my wife and I have started RVing we have learned that “who cares I just want to sleep!” is a real thing. You can combat cuddle in ANY floorplan, but sleeping in an RV is brutal to say the least.
@@TheDiskinsDoEverything My husband and I have twin beds in our Oliver Legacy Elite II camper, we are extremely comfortable and sleep so well. I think bed comfort is very important, if it’s not comfortable it makes the trip miserable. I wouldn’t have a camper with uncomfortable bed(s).
1000x YES! We used to own a 90's Fleetwood Southwind with twins and came to absolutely love them for the space saving and possibility of massive wraparound overhead storage.
This is top of our list as a couple. Would love to completely cancel the dinette and/or free standing table, put a fireplace on that wall under the TV, and use the space to store/haul my very expensive eMountain bikes. Would then plan to get a small, movable island/bar with two stools from IKEA or similar.
I'm glad to see that Keystone went to a cable slide system instead of the Swintek slide they used to have on this model. That puts this model back on top of my picks.
The tankless water heater and InCommand are first cabin! Fireplace would be nice. 12V fridge and Solar Flex 400/600 with inverter and lithium makes you self sufficient. I always prefer a north-south bed because it gives lots of night stand space for my "stuff." Uncle Josh, you rarely take a wrong step. I would never take an ORV or a Northwood model over this Keystone. Cougars are not made out to be something which they are not; unlike the hollow boasting and puffery of ORV, NW or GD. The RV Nerd comes through with another great review.
Glad you like it. It’s a lot of extra camera and editing time I think a lot of people make videos to drag people into longer view times. I make videos to help you shop If it’s the wrong one, then let’s find out sooner than later
Not enough bed walk around room for us. We're looking for something else because its a pain to get in and out of the bed when you're older. OK for young couples probably. Loving the GD 22RBE
i finally got my 22 mls out for a trip a couple weeks ago.came home to dump the tanks into my holding tank for my guest suite.turns out the idiots at the factory didn't plumb the grey water tank and the only thing holding the grey water in was the cap for the hose to connect to,or it's plumbed after the release valve.that was an interesting discovery.i'll find out tomorrow when it gets into the dealers..also the facia that covers the slide mechanism fell completely off some time during our travels.i clipped off all of the staples that held it on and used proper screws with screw caps so when i eventually have to remove it to manually draw the slide in it will only be a matter of removing half a dozen screws to take it off.my dining table bracket mounts had all the screws miss the studs,so i redrilled all those after moving it to the left half an inch,a couple window valances came loose,and the shower door handle is coming off,but i still like the unit.very comfortable 2 person and a dog travel trailer.love the 400 watt solar.i didn't use the generator once in a week long trip.the only reason we came home was our water tank was empty and the others full.mine is a 2022 mlswe edition and it's a little different than this model,2 way fridge,table and chairs,different privacy curtain and a/c,no bedroom windshield or door blind, and the inverter plugs are in different spots.if you're a boondocker this is an excellent unit.not sold on on demand hot water though.there's no benefit for boondockers.i have it in my home and you still get a blast of cold when you turn on the hot water and you will use more hot water when off grid.
We have a 26RBS, and have it with the booth seating and the two way fridge. I would still take the 200 or 400 watt solar set up, but had a 12 volt DC fridge in our previous trailer, and those things are an energy pig when off grid. It would take all of your 200 watt solar system just to keep it running for 24 hours, and if you have a cloudy day or two then you are in trouble. I will take the 2 way fridge for sure as we are often off grid several days at a time, and thus can run it on propane and not suck my batteries dry. I do have 200 amp hour of battery, no solar on the roof, but have 200 watts of portable solar which I really like as when in shaded camping spots you can usually find a sunny spot for my panels. Also carry a jackery 500 for charging phones/computers etc. Basically we can stay off grid until we run low on water or start filling our grey/black tanks. Have thought of a generator, but those things are heavy and noisy and require you to carry gas cans around....I can understand why some folks go the generator route, but no thanks, not for me. Great review of a really nice trailer by the way...As always, safe travels.....
We just bought a 2022 MLSWE exactly one month ago and we love it! My wife and I have watched TV where I was in the theater seat and my wife was in bed and we had no issues seeing the TV comfortably. We have the gas/electric refrigerator but I do wish we had the 12VDC frig instead, especially since we have the 400i solar package. I do like the lighter color in this year model and I know my wife would LOVE that front window. We don't have the shoe garage. I didn't realize how nice that would be to have till we didn't have it! But, we have full length drawers that sit under the dining table benches that is amazing for Storage-Galorage! My thought is why not the best of both worlds? Shoe garage on the door side bench and full length drawer on the bathroom side bench!! We have the 15k btu AC and it made it COLD inside the coach in 104 degree heat!! I tow this with a 2021 Chevy 1500 with a 3.0L Duramax diesel with no issues. In the month we've owned it we've already put 1500 tow miles on it! My wife and I love our trailer and we can't say enough positive things about it!
@@JoshtheRVNerd We should thank you! We first saw this trailer and floorplan in one of your videos. I can't even tell you how many of your videos I watched during our buying process (and continue to watch!) Your videos and candid reviews were invaluable! We were first time RV buyers and you and your videos gave us a wealth of information to help us out! Keep up the great work!
I’m probably crazy but I think putting the tv on a swing arm and making the dinette window bigger would be awesome. I just love the idea of sitting on the couch and watching nature. Great stuff as always 😊
I agree with all that you mention here Josh! This is a very nice couple's camper that is just right in size length, weight capacity, amenities, and overall fit & finish! This is a model that can be used in most State and National Parks, fits in most all 1/2 ton tow rigs, and provides good living space for extended use traveling. As far as this model; I think I would also prefer the table option over the dinette, but neither is a show stopper for me on this unit. The thing that I hope other viewers appreciate is the level of detail and explanation you provide in the build features and user functions! I was watching another RV channel before I viewed this upload of yours; While they were informative, it felt generic, and pale in their commentary. You are very smooth and polished, with a nice blend of wit, and humor! Please keep doing what you are doing; I, for one, have learned a great deal of information on the various brands and models that you represent in your dealerships! Thank you as always for making such professional, and informative RV videos, you really are the best! ~Lou
I can't wait to see you do a head to head combat between this model, the Imagine 22mle, Imagine 23lde, and whatever other models use similar floorplans. That is going to make for an awesome video!
Beautiful TT. If weight and length were no object, this is without a doubt the model I'd choose. Just a hair too heavy and long for my usage, but has so many well-thought-out features. Feels huge inside. Glad you spoke of tow vehicle. We recently saw one of these at a campground being pulled by an SUV. I'm certain the dealer assured him that it was fully capable of pulling it. Maybe downhill with no luggage, tools, propane, etc. Ruined transmission waiting to happen. Glad you're willing to do what's right instead of what makes you the most profit. Don't know how those guys sleep at night.
Oo la la, what a dream machine. My choices, 12v fridge, table and chairs dinette. Solid wall for might be nice but not a deal breaker. Great tall shower! I see why it’s your top choice!
I would like to see a video on the Passport 229rks. Same floor plan but less money and a private bedroom.I think alot of people would like it as much. Especially the price point. Love the videos keep up the great work.
The climate package on the 25rds is awesome. This summer in San Antonio Tx is brutal but my trailer started 70 degrees inside. Wish they would’ve came with the tankless water heater last year.
I really like this Floorplan! Defimitely booth, although the curved aesthetic with no door or drawer is kind of a waste. Love the shoe garage. The window coverage is awesome so do not block it with a wall. Road mode is phenomenal, something I didn't think matters but as time goes by with lesser road mode I appreciate it. Having 190 W and 12V fridge, I would go 400 W because a cloudy day is all it takes to allow the fridge to take over with only 200W. Edit: I knew I'd seen this Floorplan. I'd love to see a comparison between this and the Grand Design 22MLS. Very similar, and yet significantly different.
Just camped first time in our Cougar. Even though this is our trailer, some of the features are not the same. ie. no window on the front above the bed. Computer command is inside the tv cabinet. Didn’t mind the open bedroom as it was just us as a couple. Love the colors! But stubbed my toe a few times as I got used to the cooking area in the slide. Still lots to learn about our trailer.
I like that the bed is by the door. It’s not my favorite floor plan. I like the bathroom to be across the trailer and be able to move in it. I love the big closet next to the door. I don’t need a big kitchen. I eat out. I do like this though.
Josh, love watching! This particular travel trailer was what we were looking from watching from your video. We found and purchased one! We love it! Julia
Hey Josh, on a previous video you did on this model you indicated you could upgrade the solar panels to 300 watt panels. I seems like the best option is to get the 400I package and just change out the two 200 watt panels for two 300 watt panels. To me the best deal would be for you to order a 400I package with the panels deleted and when the 22MLS gets to your lot, you install the 300 watt panels. That way you do not waste the two 200 watt panels. Unless the 22MLS can be ordered from the factory with the 400I package with the 300 watt panels already installed.
This is a great layout for the length/weight of the trailer. As a couple's camper, I'll give a big vote for theater seating! Personally, I have a slight preference for the dinette for the extra storage, especially since they offer the "shoe garage" (my current trailer has no good place for shoes and it drives me a little crazy), but I would be okay with chairs. We currently have an open floorplan and I wish I had a curtain for when one of us gets up and turns on lights, or goes in or out of the trailer when one is in bed. Josh, you'd mentioned that you can mix in cold water when using a tankless heater, just like residential, but I had heard adding too much cold could cause the flow sensor to turn off, resulting in a blast of cold water. Do the newer models avoid this somehow?
I like a private bedroom. I think its different then a hotel setting because in a camper you have a bathroom, kitchen, and living space all in one room. In a hotel its basically just a large bedroom. For me I just like it feel a little separate from the rest of the camper. It feels more like a small house.
Hi, Josh! Really enjoy your videos. They're very informative. Definitely one of the nicer layouts for a couple's trailer. Once in awhile, I'll see a great layout, just to find out it's as useless as teats on a boar, with the slides closed. Closed slides that block access to the refrigerator or sink is bad enough, but blocking access to the restroom is absolutely unacceptable. ~ Stay healthy, happy, and safe ~
Answers to your questions Josh: gotta have to booth. Because where else would the dogs have their special pup bed? Solar: I wobble between 400 & 600 but closer to 600 side. Bed size, King, again dogs & they get the left side (if looking at from inside of bed) so they can jump right up! I LOVE ❤ that the door window is a see thru, so you can see if Yoggi Bear or a Crazy Big Foot is knocking on your door! BIG safety feature for a single woman! HUGE! I think that answers all your questions? Oh Ya, BTW, I Squish your head! 🤏
This is superior (to the similar models you linked ) with the King sized bed with C-PAP friendly nightstands. The kitchen is better than all the others, too, because of the position of the sink with lots of countertop space. I'm not going to ding them for the bath right off the kitchen because it's just so darn cute with ample counter space and a nice shower! Thank you for showing us this today! 😃
This is My Favorite floorplan and I considered the Cougar BUT I bought the Imagine XLS 22MLE simply because the Cougar has almost no wardrobe storage whereas the Grand Design has a queen bed with larger hanging closets, 4 smallish drawers, and much better walking around the bed. If I were only in my trailer a couple days a month, I might have bought the Cougar and lived out of a suitcase.
The hanging wardrobes on these aren't smaller actually. Notice how the bed overlaps under them? They're still sized for a queen bed. They just have smaller side stands instead of drawers. The hanging portion is identical.
I also prefer the 22mle bedroom room layout but the entertainment cabinet is better in the cougar. Why did GD leave that 6” open area next to the cabinet. One more thing what kind of slides does the cougar have? Hate the one in the GD!
I love this. I don't care about viewing TV but I'm so glad it's high up not blocking the window and not in my kitchen. I prefer table and chairs but I'd lije it completely freestanding so I can move it how I like. I would not close the curtain to the bedroom. I want as much solar as possible.
I think this is our next camper. Our Cougar 24SABWE was stolen. Loved it, but the bedroom wall in the 24SABWE made it hard to get around and make the bed. And we decided we're not having enough company to justify a closed bedroom.
As an enthusiastic Cougar owner of a 2022 TT I cannot get past the bed arraignment that seems to be in every Cougar TT. There is almost no legroom around the bed and on the driver's side, my side, you have to scoot to the end of the bed because of the water connections and pump being next to the bed. We love our Cougar except for that. I wish they would fix that issue. Great job Josh keep up the good work.
I vote for table and chairs for one reason...they can easily be removed. RV manufacturers haven’t quite caught up with the whole remote work thing. Even when they claim to have a desk they tend to forget about a knee hole. 😮 I would put the table and chairs in my basement and get a proper desk and chair from Ikea for the space under the window.
Nice layout. Keep doing the road mode views! For the kind of money Cougar wants, a better outdoor kitchen would be nice. I would go with the 12vdc fridge and the 400 watt package, tied into two LIPO batteries or two deep cycle wet cell, would be no problem running the fridge. Definitely would install a heavier privacy curtain. I used two blackout curtains and a adjustable shower curtain on my Surveyor. Works great.
I like the dinette as is, also. I'd be able to set up my sewing machine as needed, or a jigsaw puzzle, or write the great American novel on my laptop. 😆
My wife and I just a got a Passport 229RK in July . It is the exact same floor plan as the MLS but with the private bedroom. It came off the dealership with the 400i which is legitimately THE BEST FACTORY SOLAR dollar for dollar option as you would say. We absolutely love it but sure would have liked a Cougar version with all the upgrades! On paper it's hard to understand the difference but Cougar is definitely an excellent product line.
I have a dog so I want him to have more “zoomy” space. I think a table and chairs would be good. Mostly so that I can put them up and put a crate there and give him more space. I think so many people have pets and campers don’t give me many options for space for a crate. Also for me the sink in the bathroom isn’t something I need but I would much rather have a larger area for a toilet. I’m fluffy.
Another person who thinks "how would my dogs handle this floor plan?" I think about that frequently and I actually just commented to Josh that I like the fact that it's open because it would give my dogs more room to spread out even though they are pretty small dogs I have three of them.
My wife and I are looking at couples 1/2 ton towables. I like this one very much. Floor plan is fine. A booth is preferred. Love the king bed. Not concerned about the open bedroom. Theater seats are a must. We don’t boondock but I would consider a small solar package. The TV location is ok but I have to think there is a mount that would allow you to pull the tv out and down a bit. You can pick apart any RV but this one we like overall. I don’t understand why suspension equalizers, wet bolts and heavy duty shackle straps are not standard on all towables. I’ve done this upgrade on our previous travel trailers and would not hit the road without them.
Very Nice floor Plan. Sweet Color Variations. I'm not a fan of U Shape Dinettes in couples RV trainer's. I have no problem with an open concept. In fact I prefer it. I would prefer the door in the rear.. Solar is a must in my opinion. Especially if you would like the 12V fridge. This is a SWEET RV trailer. I would prefer this over my MPG 2100RB simply because it's a much better build. However the price on the MPG was much was my deciding factor.
That is really the hiccup of all the Cougar's features -- they come at a price. A _literal_ price lol I went thru an MPG 2100RB and thought it was pretty solid. Does yours have that sliding king? Do you find use for that?
Excellent video, and I agree it’s an excellent choice for best couples rig. I’d prefer the booth dinette, as having a 2nd sleeping area let’s it do double duty as a buddy camper (without the John Candy “those aren’t pillows” moment). Since I boondock and want to handle 3+ dark days, that they offer a propane fridge is a must. Wish it were a 3 way so you could run 12v in transit. Less efficient, but alternator offsets that. Solar wise, I prefer solar prep, as the system I’d be picky on what went on there (though I’d have to see their 600 watt system).
Absolutely love that there is a table and chairs option. Instantly puts this ahead of the other versions of this floorplan. WOuld never use the dinette and would just turn it sideways and make it a desk with a great view. Also would make the big dog bed useable in this size trailer.
I would like the option of 50/50 on the dining area. Bench seat stays against the pantry wall and chairs close to the door. It would solve the debate every time we go to dinner. Booth or table. 😂
Great floorplan! I would probably go with the dinette versus the booth although to be honest I probably wouldn't use either one very often. The 12 volt fridge would be a definite as well as some upgraded solar and the theater seats. I'm fine with it being open but since it is just me traveling it would probably be simpler to have it open with the dogs in the RV with me. Love the bathroom and the bigger shower space as well as the extra countertop space in the kitchen. I will definitely check this out in other brands although it is too heavy for me to tow at this time but I really like the floor plan and features. Thanks Josh!
Fun Fact: People always ask what rating the axles of a trailer are or the rating of a hitch...but they NEVER think about that one little bolt that holds the entire body to the springs, or the pin that holds the receiver in the hitch. It may be the hitch pulling it, but its a $4, 3/4" pin holding it.
Hi Josh! Very nice floor plan. They could have swapped the bathroom door location for where the pantry is and flipped them, but they did it because of where the kitchen plumming is I suspect. Table and chairs for me. As nice as this is, I still much prefer the Rockwood mini-lite 2205s, I just wish they had a bigger slideout.
If the door and the dinette were switched.. this would be MY PERFECT camper and would be in my possesion!!! 💚💚😊😊 Please make one with the door between the bathroom and the dinette!! I dont want my door so close to my bed!!!
We bought this one. Love it. Just got it. The only thing they fall short of is the MATTRESS. Not very thick or comfortable. Again we have to buy a new mattress. The booth dinnet at least gives you a lot more storage. Love all the windows. Very nice otherwise. It's so much better than what we had. No window over the bed. They need to put struts on those doors over the bed. The TV is just fine.
I'd rather have the table and chairs so I can take them out easily. We have two 70lb dogs, and that space would be great with a built in dog kennel with a solid top on it. Hubby wouldn't be into me ripping out a built in table and bench...😂. But this is perfect for what we need.
This is the only TT I've seen that seems to compete with Rockwood quality, and an excellent floor plan. Only big negative for me is no outside kitchen.
We really love this RV, but haven't been able to find a video showing the table and chairs. Also, it would be awesome if Cougar offered a mini split option to go along with their solar package, that would be a game changer!
This is still a favorite for us even though it does not have clothing storage for full-timers. Right now it is neck and next with the Imagine XLS 22MLE even though I like the I400 solar package of the Cougar. No one has been able to tell me if the 2,000-watt Inverter on the i400 package will run the outlet under the entertainment center above the dinette. If that is true it would save the $12,000 cost expense of the i600 package. I say that because Camp Host RV parking sites are always partially shaded and almost in every case I could bring 400 watts of solar with me that I would wire for 48 volts (in series) that would come into the water bay where I would mount a separate Victon 30-amp controller via a 30' cable set. Ground mounting an extra 400 watts would not overpower the two Dragonfly batteries as the Victon controllers are very good and they would know what to do with those limited solar windows where the USFS doesn't allow very many trees to be cut typically so that the Camp Host has the best solar setup (My magic pruning saw is powered by Elves who don't have 20 pages of forms to fill out forever limb cut, LOL). Anyway, please shed some light on the AC power Outlet shared with the dinette. I have an Acer Chromebook with an Acer external 24" monitor and a Brother Laser printer that I power with an extension outlet. On my Lance, I have to run a drop cord back to where I installed a dedicated outlet near the bed where I mounted our 700-watt inverter in the storage bay. It would be nice not to have to run the extension cord on our new travel trailer, obviously, LOL. I like this floor plan because we would squeak by with our current F-150 as we can tow 10,200 pounds until we could get a 3/4-ton later on. Could we still tow with the 26mbs? Hmmm, more homework ...
Where everyone else has fallen short.. I have risen to the occasion!! lol :) Just walked out to personally eyeball verify this for you.. and I have some seriously MONEY SAVING NEWS!! The outlet on the bottom of the TV cabinet above the dinette by the pantry IS inverter wired so it WILL be live with the 400i package!
@@JoshtheRVNerd Oh my, okay we will be talking about this soon. It's going to take a wrestling match between the 22MLS, 26RBS, and the Imagine XLS 22MLE with the wife getting double the votes of me!
Josh, My wife and I just retired. We really enjoy your very informative and entertaining videos! We love the open plan of the 2023 Cougar MLS, but are considering a Class C, so we can tow our boat. With that said, we would love to hear your opinion on a few (couple friendly, full time Class C’s) that might have the same style of interior, with: A king size bed, theater seats directly in front of a large TV, a booth dinette, a larger shower, stove top without oven, convection microwave, large refrigerator, with some solar options, etc. Thank you for your consideration and your wonderful sense of humor. We’re self-declared nerds too!
@@JoshtheRVNerd Josh, thank you so much for your quick reply! If there are others that come to mind, we are wide open to your wisdom and experience. We are at the beginning of our search, so we still have an open mind. If you think of anything else, Please send it. Have a great day!
You asked about sleeping in a single open space. It’s not a problem for me, I also view it similarly to a hotel room. It’s kinda nice to have all that airflow. The only downside is, I hear the AC more than in a bedroom with a wall. Ironically however, for me, if a bedroom HAS a door, it HAS to be shut for me to sleep. I can’t sleep in a bedroom with the door open because the monsters can come in. I’m weird I know.
Love the floor plan but miss the closed bedrooms from the past Cougars. I once owned a 2007 24 ft Cougar with rear kitchen and front bedroom w 2 entry doors. I loved it. Not crazy about the bathroom by the kitchen or the open bedroom w flimsy curtain,But still a beautiful TT. ❤
I would absolutely love this camper with the Western Edition (22MLSWE). It takes that windshield away and from several comments I've read on forums and Facebook, is a good thing. I don't know what the percentage is, but many had chips and cracks in the windshield and it is super hot during the summer. I haven't been able to find one down in the south as they are out west...sadly. It has come down to the Keystone 22MLS and the Imagine 22MLE. Without the windshield, I'd buy the MLS in a heart beat BUT...can't find one. The windshield is also another leak point (although that is not my big issue with it). It appears the MLE (Imagine) will get my business by default. I'm not broken up about it because the Imagine 22MLE is a solid and really nice camper.
Keep in mind you do only tend to hear when things DON'T go well. Plenty of folks perfectly happy with windshields BUT... that being said.. I'd also prefer no windshield. I love them in front living/kitchens. I'm not a fan in a bedroom This being an open design I don't mind it though
This is a nice rig for this size and weight. I think in many ways its better than my Lance 1995 and I would seriously consider this for 1/2 ton towing (I have a Chevy Tahoe that could tow this (assuming the tongue weight is as listed). Great review as always Josh !
When it comes to the curtain for the bedroom wall I think the mind is a crazy place. I wish they would move the water heater to the space under the bed and I know you're going to say you're losing this storage space but who cares that looks really silly on that side of the bed. So if I'm going to be a little picky here I wish they would move the speakers down to the left and right sides of the stairs. Now this goes to every manufacturer not just cougar They always say that they have a you know heated underbelly that's between the frame rails only All of us have crawled underneath one of these that own one and there's a lot of space on the sides of the outside of the rails that is not insulated in any way. One more thing here if you're going to use aluminum for framing under the bed why isn't it there for the dinette Don't just think you're doing something like Rockwood do it like Rockwood. Hey Josh look at that slide It's magical 🤯
I have noticed especially in newer RV's that some manufacturer models seem to be using less solid wood cabinets and crazy amounts of staples to put thin paneling on interior walls. Even Models thought once luxury. At this point I would not buy a newer RV without it being inspected. It's not like buying a new car.
Hey Josh, thanks for making this video! I’d love to see ANOTHER window (yes, MORE windows, haha) near the stove like you see in the Keystone Outback 221UMD. A fireplace would be pretty cool, but there’s nowhere to put it. We got the 400i on ours (as well as the dragonfly batteries) and agree with you 100% it’s the best solar flex option. The 600i is like $10,000 more….or close to that-to expensive. I prefer the dinette because it’s more comfortable on the old tush and back versus a hard wooden chair. The 2023 I seen at the Hershey show had the inCommand panel in the cabinet to the left of the TV. I wonder if they’re putting the panel on the wall like we see in your video, now? And you say TPMS prepped, what does that mean? It has the sensors on the rims already? Or no? Thanks!!
Prepped for LCI's TPMS. There is a little module that plugs into the RV itself that will communicate with the valve step caps you'd put on the tires & relay that info to your phone
It's great, no question there. But I prefer another Keystone product, the Crossroads Sunset Trail 253RB. The outdoor kitchen with real sink is the seller. It's storage is actually rather deceptive, doesn't look like a lot, but you can fit more than you'd think.
I'm a 30 year master certified RV tech that owns a independent shop so I can tell you things dealers and people that work for dealers cant. I see a lot of late model cougars come in with roof problems, soft floors and even delamination and even on this new one I see the sloopy job the manufacturer did butting that roof against the fiberglass cap. Thats a leak waiting to happen if its not already leaking. no vapor barrier in the outside bays thats going to let moisture in from your outside bays that will eventually lead to mildew and odors. Plus I'm sure its on a lippert frame so make sure you get it reinforced before you warp it hitting a pothole. That window on the front is another leak concern plus how expensive is it if a rock goes thru it to replace? these are things a well informed RV shopper should be looking for besides how pretty the colors are or if the Floorplan is right for them or if they want a table and chairs or booth. and as a tech I highly recommend you get any new or used RV inspected by a 3rd party before purchase. The stuff being built new since the pandemic started is the worse I have seen in over 30 years doing this. Its well worth the cost because modern factory warranties will try to weasel themselves out of paying most claims so do not use that as a crutch or let your dealer use that as a excuse to let you take a new camper with defects. And aftermarket warranties are a absolute complete waste of money. All you are doing is giving the dealer a few extra thousand in profit buying one of those. Dont buy a camper that will fall apart before you can finish paying it off. they all look good new. Look at a cougar or whatever brand you want to buy new that is 5 or 6 years or even 10 years old if you want to see how well they hold up. Good luck and be smart. Dont get fooled or roped in by a good dog and pony show.
Thank you! Yes leaks are a big concern I've been seeing and hearing. Even several of the inside so called 'decor' serms to be cheaply thrown in (like the sheer curtain) just to make $. Don't know anyone that likes a bulky dinette in smaller couples trailers.
you should start your channel on RVs , I'd watch
Thx for offering some insights TJ but it's important I think to mention that *nearly everything you've said here could apply to the RV industry at large* & is not specific exclusively to Cougar while your comments are highly cougar-focused.
A rock could go thru an RV's windshield as you've mentioned.. sure. it could also go through your vehicle's windshield and the vehicle is on the Road daily rather than only occasionally. Your trailers also has the benefit of a vehicle in front of it blocking most of the frontage with a stone guard below where the majority of stones it anyways.
Is there an RV you feel isn't guilty of all of the items you've discussed here? I'm all about sharing information but what's the alternative?
I could do without a window in the front easily. There's plenty of windows, and having a big one at my head...that is also a rock magnet...is not necessary.
Our Cougar took a rock in a construction zone this year and it chipped just like an automotive windshield will. I think these are automotive windshields so while I hate chips I'm not concerned about it breaking anymore than my truck windshield.
I would get rid of the dinette and put the tv there with a fire place. I would also make it so the tv come up out from behind the fireplace with a remote. Don’t need a privacy wall because nobody else would be there but me. But they could do the newer version of the bifold door🤷🏽♀️ Full time is exactly what I’m looking for.
Can you say what the cost is for the 400 and 600 solar upgrades?
Check out the ROCKWOOD 2205S
Great suggestion about doing the fireplace with the elevator! All they would need to do is include a standalone table to put in front of the theater seats and you would be set.
@@rosemarydoran9907 yes exactly what I was thinking
Josh, you are my favorite! I love your sense of humor and your thoroughness in your videos! Thank you!!
Well TY :)
I love ❤️ this model. Fits my needs perfectly 👌
I purchased one just like this about a month ago. The door shade opens from the top now and the black screws above the kitchen sink are now white. But Josh, you didn’t tell everyone about the theater seats, I was surprised that they were heated and massage seats and the cup holders are also lit along with an accent light underneath them. But what I really found out that I thought was the coolest thing was the iN·Command was Bluetooth compatible. You can do everything from your phone. I’m just astatic about this cool little camper.
I'd be curious to know the build date of your RV. The shade opening bottom-up is the current standard though there were a handful that got out before the door supplier made that change
OR... could be someone at your dealership flipped it
I’d also like to add on the 2-way fridge. Had a time at Warren dunes last year flooding caused electric out. My propane available on my fridge, and my solar, kept me camping with my grandkids AND I was able to help other campers who were hit much harder in the situation. Electricity can go out. I like the back up, I had not bright my generator that trip. It was a savior
Awesome story! TY :)
This by far is my favorite Rig and it's a very improved version of our 2012 North Trail. I believe it's one of the reasons I like it so much. The fact that our F-150 could pull this with no problem also makes it the perfect couples camper for us as well. Super nice updates on it Josh!
Yes Sir Josh Cougar 22MLS is still my ALL time Favorite and I do really like the updated exterior package 😊😊👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
We don't watch TV in our 22 mls. We're camping and views from our recliners out all of those windows are amazing! Those sliding windows are super nice. We like our dinette and that it becomes a bed for a grandkid when they're with us. You can't beat this floorplan when the slide is in or out.
Good camper and YES, I do like seeing it with the side in also. Only complaint is the floor vent, I hate them (dirt collectors)
Only a 30gal gray tank - I’d expect that in a single axle small RV but would hope for more in one of this size and caliber.
Since this is a couple's camper I don't think having a 30 gallon is that much of a limiting factor.
I like this floor plan. Would love to see a twin bed model.
Man that'd be cool!!
As my wife and I have started RVing we have learned that “who cares I just want to sleep!” is a real thing. You can combat cuddle in ANY floorplan, but sleeping in an RV is brutal to say the least.
@@TheDiskinsDoEverything My husband and I have twin beds in our Oliver Legacy Elite II camper, we are extremely comfortable and sleep so well. I think bed comfort is very important, if it’s not comfortable it makes the trip miserable. I wouldn’t have a camper with uncomfortable bed(s).
1000x YES! We used to own a 90's Fleetwood Southwind with twins and came to absolutely love them for the space saving and possibility of massive wraparound overhead storage.
This is top of our list as a couple. Would love to completely cancel the dinette and/or free standing table, put a fireplace on that wall under the TV, and use the space to store/haul my very expensive eMountain bikes. Would then plan to get a small, movable island/bar with two stools from IKEA or similar.
When you said FATHERLY FIGURED DAD BOD, I almost fell out of my chair!! VERY informative, and I have to agree, this one is AWESOME!!
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I'm glad to see that Keystone went to a cable slide system instead of the Swintek slide they used to have on this model. That puts this model back on top of my picks.
Nice! :)
I love the window above the head of the bed .classic . I wish my 5th weel had that
The tankless water heater and InCommand are first cabin! Fireplace would be nice. 12V fridge and Solar Flex 400/600 with inverter and lithium makes you self sufficient. I always prefer a north-south bed because it gives lots of night stand space for my "stuff." Uncle Josh, you rarely take a wrong step. I would never take an ORV or a Northwood model over this Keystone. Cougars are not made out to be something which they are not; unlike the hollow boasting and puffery of ORV, NW or GD. The RV Nerd comes through with another great review.
I love how you do the once over preview before you get into the details. Some do not. I also would like the table w/chairs rather than the both
Glad you like it. It’s a lot of extra camera and editing time
I think a lot of people make videos to drag people into longer view times. I make videos to help you shop
If it’s the wrong one, then let’s find out sooner than later
Not enough bed walk around room for us. We're looking for something else because its a pain to get in and out of the bed when you're older. OK for young couples probably. Loving the GD 22RBE
i finally got my 22 mls out for a trip a couple weeks ago.came home to dump the tanks into my holding tank for my guest suite.turns out the idiots at the factory didn't plumb the grey water tank and the only thing holding the grey water in was the cap for the hose to connect to,or it's plumbed after the release valve.that was an interesting discovery.i'll find out tomorrow when it gets into the dealers..also the facia that covers the slide mechanism fell completely off some time during our travels.i clipped off all of the staples that held it on and used proper screws with screw caps so when i eventually have to remove it to manually draw the slide in it will only be a matter of removing half a dozen screws to take it off.my dining table bracket mounts had all the screws miss the studs,so i redrilled all those after moving it to the left half an inch,a couple window valances came loose,and the shower door handle is coming off,but i still like the unit.very comfortable 2 person and a dog travel trailer.love the 400 watt solar.i didn't use the generator once in a week long trip.the only reason we came home was our water tank was empty and the others full.mine is a 2022 mlswe edition and it's a little different than this model,2 way fridge,table and chairs,different privacy curtain and a/c,no bedroom windshield or door blind, and the inverter plugs are in different spots.if you're a boondocker this is an excellent unit.not sold on on demand hot water though.there's no benefit for boondockers.i have it in my home and you still get a blast of cold when you turn on the hot water and you will use more hot water when off grid.
Way to go Uncle Josh!! Always appreciate the fact tha you show us Road Mode!!
So love the “Kids In The Hall” reference! “My pen!!!” Also, the Chicken Lady. 😂😂😂
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We have a 26RBS, and have it with the booth seating and the two way fridge. I would still take the 200 or 400 watt solar set up, but had a 12 volt DC fridge in our previous trailer, and those things are an energy pig when off grid. It would take all of your 200 watt solar system just to keep it running for 24 hours, and if you have a cloudy day or two then you are in trouble. I will take the 2 way fridge for sure as we are often off grid several days at a time, and thus can run it on propane and not suck my batteries dry. I do have 200 amp hour of battery, no solar on the roof, but have 200 watts of portable solar which I really like as when in shaded camping spots you can usually find a sunny spot for my panels. Also carry a jackery 500 for charging phones/computers etc. Basically we can stay off grid until we run low on water or start filling our grey/black tanks. Have thought of a generator, but those things are heavy and noisy and require you to carry gas cans around....I can understand why some folks go the generator route, but no thanks, not for me. Great review of a really nice trailer by the way...As always, safe travels.....
Thx Shawn
So so glad they moved that fridge!!
We just bought a 2022 MLSWE exactly one month ago and we love it! My wife and I have watched TV where I was in the theater seat and my wife was in bed and we had no issues seeing the TV comfortably. We have the gas/electric refrigerator but I do wish we had the 12VDC frig instead, especially since we have the 400i solar package. I do like the lighter color in this year model and I know my wife would LOVE that front window. We don't have the shoe garage. I didn't realize how nice that would be to have till we didn't have it! But, we have full length drawers that sit under the dining table benches that is amazing for Storage-Galorage! My thought is why not the best of both worlds? Shoe garage on the door side bench and full length drawer on the bathroom side bench!! We have the 15k btu AC and it made it COLD inside the coach in 104 degree heat!! I tow this with a 2021 Chevy 1500 with a 3.0L Duramax diesel with no issues. In the month we've owned it we've already put 1500 tow miles on it! My wife and I love our trailer and we can't say enough positive things about it!
Congratulations! I’m not going to lie I’m a little bit jealous
@@JoshtheRVNerd We should thank you! We first saw this trailer and floorplan in one of your videos. I can't even tell you how many of your videos I watched during our buying process (and continue to watch!) Your videos and candid reviews were invaluable! We were first time RV buyers and you and your videos gave us a wealth of information to help us out! Keep up the great work!
I’m probably crazy but I think putting the tv on a swing arm and making the dinette window bigger would be awesome. I just love the idea of sitting on the couch and watching nature. Great stuff as always 😊
Sounds great to me!
I agree with all that you mention here Josh! This is a very nice couple's camper that is just right in size length, weight capacity, amenities, and overall fit & finish! This is a model that can be used in most State and National Parks, fits in most all 1/2 ton tow rigs, and provides good living space for extended use traveling.
As far as this model; I think I would also prefer the table option over the dinette, but neither is a show stopper for me on this unit.
The thing that I hope other viewers appreciate is the level of detail and explanation you provide in the build features and user functions! I was watching another RV channel before I viewed this upload of yours; While they were informative, it felt generic, and pale in their commentary. You are very smooth and polished, with a nice blend of wit, and humor! Please keep doing what you are doing; I, for one, have learned a great deal of information on the various brands and models that you represent in your dealerships!
Thank you as always for making such professional, and informative RV videos, you really are the best!
~Lou
I think I'd also prefer a table vs a booth Josh. And 200 solar power panels sound just right to me.
Awesome ty!!!
Just ordered this and o was excited to hear the options we chose were the exact same ones Josh would---400i, dinette and 12 volt fridge.
Man congrats! Great model!
I can't wait to see you do a head to head combat between this model, the Imagine 22mle, Imagine 23lde, and whatever other models use similar floorplans. That is going to make for an awesome video!
If I can ever get them in stock side by side.. THAT'S the hardest part of those comparisons. We have these spread all over the country
Beautiful TT. If weight and length were no object, this is without a doubt the model I'd choose. Just a hair too heavy and long for my usage, but has so many well-thought-out features. Feels huge inside. Glad you spoke of tow vehicle. We recently saw one of these at a campground being pulled by an SUV. I'm certain the dealer assured him that it was fully capable of pulling it. Maybe downhill with no luggage, tools, propane, etc. Ruined transmission waiting to happen. Glad you're willing to do what's right instead of what makes you the most profit. Don't know how those guys sleep at night.
Oo la la, what a dream machine. My choices, 12v fridge, table and chairs dinette. Solid wall for might be nice but not a deal breaker. Great tall shower! I see why it’s your top choice!
I still really like this one
I would like to see a video on the Passport 229rks. Same floor plan but less money and a private bedroom.I think alot of people would like it as much. Especially the price point. Love the videos keep up the great work.
I like this one.
The climate package on the 25rds is awesome. This summer in San Antonio Tx is brutal but my trailer started 70 degrees inside. Wish they would’ve came with the tankless water heater last year.
I really like this Floorplan! Defimitely booth, although the curved aesthetic with no door or drawer is kind of a waste. Love the shoe garage. The window coverage is awesome so do not block it with a wall. Road mode is phenomenal, something I didn't think matters but as time goes by with lesser road mode I appreciate it. Having 190 W and 12V fridge, I would go 400 W because a cloudy day is all it takes to allow the fridge to take over with only 200W.
Edit: I knew I'd seen this Floorplan. I'd love to see a comparison between this and the Grand Design 22MLS. Very similar, and yet significantly different.
I wish I could have them side by side to make that comparison
Just camped first time in our Cougar. Even though this is our trailer, some of the features are not the same. ie. no window on the front above the bed. Computer command is inside the tv cabinet. Didn’t mind the open bedroom as it was just us as a couple. Love the colors! But stubbed my toe a few times as I got used to the cooking area in the slide. Still lots to learn about our trailer.
I like that the bed is by the door. It’s not my favorite floor plan. I like the bathroom to be across the trailer and be able to move in it. I love the big closet next to the door. I don’t need a big kitchen. I eat out. I do like this though.
Josh, love watching! This particular travel trailer was what we were looking from watching from your video. We found and purchased one! We love it! Julia
Glad you enjoyed it! Mind dropping me a review at g.page/r/CdPcitNVx2nDEAg/review
Hey Josh, on a previous video you did on this model you indicated you could upgrade the solar panels to 300 watt panels. I seems like the best option is to get the 400I package and just change out the two 200 watt panels for two 300 watt panels. To me the best deal would be for you to order a 400I package with the panels deleted and when the 22MLS gets to your lot, you install the 300 watt panels. That way you do not waste the two 200 watt panels. Unless the 22MLS can be ordered from the factory with the 400I package with the 300 watt panels already installed.
They won’t offer that from the factory but it’s possible
This is a great layout for the length/weight of the trailer. As a couple's camper, I'll give a big vote for theater seating! Personally, I have a slight preference for the dinette for the extra storage, especially since they offer the "shoe garage" (my current trailer has no good place for shoes and it drives me a little crazy), but I would be okay with chairs. We currently have an open floorplan and I wish I had a curtain for when one of us gets up and turns on lights, or goes in or out of the trailer when one is in bed.
Josh, you'd mentioned that you can mix in cold water when using a tankless heater, just like residential, but I had heard adding too much cold could cause the flow sensor to turn off, resulting in a blast of cold water. Do the newer models avoid this somehow?
I like a private bedroom. I think its different then a hotel setting because in a camper you have a bathroom, kitchen, and living space all in one room. In a hotel its basically just a large bedroom. For me I just like it feel a little separate from the rest of the camper. It feels more like a small house.
Wow Josh that's it that's the one I want ! Now if I can only convince my banker !
Love the "live modeling" boss, keep up the good work!!
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Thanks! 😃
Hi, Josh! Really enjoy your videos. They're very informative.
Definitely one of the nicer layouts for a couple's trailer. Once in awhile, I'll see a great layout, just to find out it's as useless as teats on a boar, with the slides closed. Closed slides that block access to the refrigerator or sink is bad enough, but blocking access to the restroom is absolutely unacceptable.
~ Stay healthy, happy, and safe ~
Answers to your questions Josh: gotta have to booth. Because where else would the dogs have their special pup bed? Solar: I wobble between 400 & 600 but closer to 600 side. Bed size, King, again dogs & they get the left side (if looking at from inside of bed) so they can jump right up!
I LOVE ❤ that the door window is a see thru, so you can see if Yoggi Bear or a Crazy Big Foot is knocking on your door! BIG safety feature for a single woman! HUGE! I think that answers all your questions? Oh Ya, BTW, I Squish your head! 🤏
This is superior (to the similar models you linked ) with the King sized bed with C-PAP friendly nightstands. The kitchen is better than all the others, too, because of the position of the sink with lots of countertop space. I'm not going to ding them for the bath right off the kitchen because it's just so darn cute with ample counter space and a nice shower! Thank you for showing us this today! 😃
This is My Favorite floorplan and I considered the Cougar BUT I bought the Imagine XLS 22MLE simply because the Cougar has almost no wardrobe storage whereas the Grand Design has a queen bed with larger hanging closets, 4 smallish drawers, and much better walking around the bed. If I were only in my trailer a couple days a month, I might have bought the Cougar and lived out of a suitcase.
I'm in the same boat. This is a great floorplan, but the lack of wardrobe, and walk around room will probably be a deal breaker for us.
Same here. Rather have a queen size bed with more walkaround space and wardrobe.
The hanging wardrobes on these aren't smaller actually. Notice how the bed overlaps under them? They're still sized for a queen bed. They just have smaller side stands instead of drawers. The hanging portion is identical.
I also prefer the 22mle bedroom room layout but the entertainment cabinet is better in the cougar. Why did GD leave that 6” open area next to the cabinet. One more thing what kind of slides does the cougar have? Hate the one in the GD!
I wish I could get this interior in the Imagine xls. Don’t love those heat vents on the floor either.
I love this. I don't care about viewing TV but I'm so glad it's high up not blocking the window and not in my kitchen. I prefer table and chairs but I'd lije it completely freestanding so I can move it how I like. I would not close the curtain to the bedroom. I want as much solar as possible.
Table/Chairs is slick. Love that one
I think this is our next camper. Our Cougar 24SABWE was stolen. Loved it, but the bedroom wall in the 24SABWE made it hard to get around and make the bed. And we decided we're not having enough company to justify a closed bedroom.
Oh Man.. so sorry to hear that
As an enthusiastic Cougar owner of a 2022 TT I cannot get past the bed arraignment that seems to be in every Cougar TT. There is almost no legroom around the bed and on the driver's side, my side, you have to scoot to the end of the bed because of the water connections and pump being next to the bed. We love our Cougar except for that. I wish they would fix that issue. Great job Josh keep up the good work.
When they put in a king bed.... there's only so much of the tape measure left for walk around.
Great video, I love all the nonchalant references, good stuff!!
I appreciate it when viewers like you stop, collaborate, and listen
@@JoshtheRVNerd Only 'cause I'm back with a brand new invention... Take heed, Josh is an RV poet, Bish is on the scene, and we all know it...🥰🤟
I vote for table and chairs for one reason...they can easily be removed. RV manufacturers haven’t quite caught up with the whole remote work thing. Even when they claim to have a desk they tend to forget about a knee hole. 😮 I would put the table and chairs in my basement and get a proper desk and chair from Ikea for the space under the window.
fair enough!
Great idea! 👍
Nice layout. Keep doing the road mode views! For the kind of money Cougar wants, a better outdoor kitchen would be nice. I would go with the 12vdc fridge and the 400 watt package, tied into two LIPO batteries or two deep cycle wet cell, would be no problem running the fridge. Definitely would install a heavier privacy curtain. I used two blackout curtains and a adjustable shower curtain on my Surveyor. Works great.
Great idea!
I like the floorplan. Would keep the dinette as is. Love it on the door side with a window.
I like the dinette as is, also. I'd be able to set up my sewing machine as needed, or a jigsaw puzzle, or write the great American novel on my laptop. 😆
My wife and I just a got a Passport 229RK in July . It is the exact same floor plan as the MLS but with the private bedroom. It came off the dealership with the 400i which is legitimately THE BEST FACTORY SOLAR dollar for dollar option as you would say. We absolutely love it but sure would have liked a Cougar version with all the upgrades! On paper it's hard to understand the difference but Cougar is definitely an excellent product line.
I do agree on that 400 I solar package. Pound for pound it’s the most robust inflexible, expandable thing out there from the factory
I have a dog so I want him to have more “zoomy” space. I think a table and chairs would be good. Mostly so that I can put them up and put a crate there and give him more space. I think so many people have pets and campers don’t give me many options for space for a crate. Also for me the sink in the bathroom isn’t something I need but I would much rather have a larger area for a toilet. I’m fluffy.
Doggo Zoomies are the best
Another person who thinks "how would my dogs handle this floor plan?" I think about that frequently and I actually just commented to Josh that I like the fact that it's open because it would give my dogs more room to spread out even though they are pretty small dogs I have three of them.
I was thinking that carpeted area to the left of the bed would be a great step for the doggies getting on the bed.
My wife and I are looking at couples 1/2 ton towables. I like this one very much. Floor plan is fine. A booth is preferred. Love the king bed. Not concerned about the open bedroom. Theater seats are a must. We don’t boondock but I would consider a small solar package. The TV location is ok but I have to think there is a mount that would allow you to pull the tv out and down a bit. You can pick apart any RV but this one we like overall. I don’t understand why suspension equalizers, wet bolts and heavy duty shackle straps are not standard on all towables. I’ve done this upgrade on our previous travel trailers and would not hit the road without them.
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Very Nice floor Plan. Sweet Color Variations. I'm not a fan of U Shape Dinettes in couples RV trainer's. I have no problem with an open concept. In fact I prefer it. I would prefer the door in the rear.. Solar is a must in my opinion. Especially if you would like the 12V fridge. This is a SWEET RV trailer. I would prefer this over my MPG 2100RB simply because it's a much better build. However the price on the MPG was much was my deciding factor.
That is really the hiccup of all the Cougar's features -- they come at a price. A _literal_ price lol
I went thru an MPG 2100RB and thought it was pretty solid. Does yours have that sliding king? Do you find use for that?
Ohh I Like this one alot!
Excellent video, and I agree it’s an excellent choice for best couples rig. I’d prefer the booth dinette, as having a 2nd sleeping area let’s it do double duty as a buddy camper (without the John Candy “those aren’t pillows” moment). Since I boondock and want to handle 3+ dark days, that they offer a propane fridge is a must. Wish it were a 3 way so you could run 12v in transit. Less efficient, but alternator offsets that. Solar wise, I prefer solar prep, as the system I’d be picky on what went on there (though I’d have to see their 600 watt system).
Search “solar flex” on my channel here for more info on their packages
@@JoshtheRVNerd Excellent. Thanks. You see a lot of stock or even aftermarket systems out there… that are badly done. These look top shelf.
I love this one! KING BED IS A WIN!
Absolutely love that there is a table and chairs option. Instantly puts this ahead of the other versions of this floorplan. WOuld never use the dinette and would just turn it sideways and make it a desk with a great view. Also would make the big dog bed useable in this size trailer.
That table is my preference as well. Makes it feel even more open!!
I would like the option of 50/50 on the dining area. Bench seat stays against the pantry wall and chairs close to the door. It would solve the debate every time we go to dinner. Booth or table. 😂
OOH!! Frankentable would be cool!
Love this, 12 volt refrigerator, table and chairs, recliners, queen size bed. It is on my short list for my next camper
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Great floorplan! I would probably go with the dinette versus the booth although to be honest I probably wouldn't use either one very often. The 12 volt fridge would be a definite as well as some upgraded solar and the theater seats. I'm fine with it being open but since it is just me traveling it would probably be simpler to have it open with the dogs in the RV with me. Love the bathroom and the bigger shower space as well as the extra countertop space in the kitchen. I will definitely check this out in other brands although it is too heavy for me to tow at this time but I really like the floor plan and features. Thanks Josh!
Fun Fact: People always ask what rating the axles of a trailer are or the rating of a hitch...but they NEVER think about that one little bolt that holds the entire body to the springs, or the pin that holds the receiver in the hitch. It may be the hitch pulling it, but its a $4, 3/4" pin holding it.
Would love cougar to put the larger holding tanks like on the southwest version on all of the models.
I like the open concept! More windows to look out while laying in bed. 😀
Very nice, I wish more Mfgr's would go with the Euro windows that extend out and have internal shades.
Hi Josh! Very nice floor plan. They could have swapped the bathroom door location for where the pantry is and flipped them, but they did it because of where the kitchen plumming is I suspect. Table and chairs for me. As nice as this is, I still much prefer the Rockwood mini-lite 2205s, I just wish they had a bigger slideout.
If the door and the dinette were switched.. this would be MY PERFECT camper and would be in my possesion!!! 💚💚😊😊
Please make one with the door between the bathroom and the dinette!! I dont want my door so close to my bed!!!
Like this one? m.ruclips.net/video/gQ-VH1lJU9E/видео.html
Really like this one. I would do the table and chairs.
Ty
We bought this one. Love it. Just got it. The only thing they fall short of is the MATTRESS. Not very thick or comfortable. Again we have to buy a new mattress. The booth dinnet at least gives you a lot more storage. Love all the windows. Very nice otherwise. It's so much better than what we had. No window over the bed. They need to put struts on those doors over the bed. The TV is just fine.
Love your videos Josh. Thank you.
Glad you like them!
I would order Josh's setup: 400W solar, table/chair option, 12V fridge.
#nerdpreferred baby!
I'd rather have the table and chairs so I can take them out easily. We have two 70lb dogs, and that space would be great with a built in dog kennel with a solid top on it. Hubby wouldn't be into me ripping out a built in table and bench...😂. But this is perfect for what we need.
This is the only TT I've seen that seems to compete with Rockwood quality, and an excellent floor plan. Only big negative for me is no outside kitchen.
We really love this RV, but haven't been able to find a video showing the table and chairs.
Also, it would be awesome if Cougar offered a mini split option to go along with their solar package, that would be a game changer!
See here for table and chairs m.ruclips.net/video/YEvhvT5bCSM/видео.html
This is still a favorite for us even though it does not have clothing storage for full-timers. Right now it is neck and next with the Imagine XLS 22MLE even though I like the I400 solar package of the Cougar. No one has been able to tell me if the 2,000-watt Inverter on the i400 package will run the outlet under the entertainment center above the dinette. If that is true it would save the $12,000 cost expense of the i600 package. I say that because Camp Host RV parking sites are always partially shaded and almost in every case I could bring 400 watts of solar with me that I would wire for 48 volts (in series) that would come into the water bay where I would mount a separate Victon 30-amp controller via a 30' cable set. Ground mounting an extra 400 watts would not overpower the two Dragonfly batteries as the Victon controllers are very good and they would know what to do with those limited solar windows where the USFS doesn't allow very many trees to be cut typically so that the Camp Host has the best solar setup (My magic pruning saw is powered by Elves who don't have 20 pages of forms to fill out forever limb cut, LOL). Anyway, please shed some light on the AC power Outlet shared with the dinette. I have an Acer Chromebook with an Acer external 24" monitor and a Brother Laser printer that I power with an extension outlet. On my Lance, I have to run a drop cord back to where I installed a dedicated outlet near the bed where I mounted our 700-watt inverter in the storage bay. It would be nice not to have to run the extension cord on our new travel trailer, obviously, LOL. I like this floor plan because we would squeak by with our current F-150 as we can tow 10,200 pounds until we could get a 3/4-ton later on. Could we still tow with the 26mbs? Hmmm, more homework ...
Where everyone else has fallen short.. I have risen to the occasion!! lol :)
Just walked out to personally eyeball verify this for you.. and I have some seriously MONEY SAVING NEWS!!
The outlet on the bottom of the TV cabinet above the dinette by the pantry IS inverter wired so it WILL be live with the 400i package!
@@JoshtheRVNerd Oh my, okay we will be talking about this soon. It's going to take a wrestling match between the 22MLS, 26RBS, and the Imagine XLS 22MLE with the wife getting double the votes of me!
@@KU9L lol i teach new sales people "the lady of the house controls roughly 50% of the finance and easily 90% of the romance. It's NOT a democracy!)
😍🤩🥳 you know how I feel about these beauties!
Josh,
My wife and I just retired. We really enjoy your very informative and entertaining videos! We love the open plan of the 2023 Cougar MLS, but are considering a Class C, so we can tow our boat. With that said, we would love to hear your opinion on a few (couple friendly, full time Class C’s) that might have the same style of interior, with: A king size bed, theater seats directly in front of a large TV, a booth dinette, a larger shower, stove top without oven, convection microwave, large refrigerator, with some solar options, etc. Thank you for your consideration and your wonderful sense of humor. We’re self-declared nerds too!
This video is a bit dated so take it with a grain of salt, but try this one bit.ly/3KaG1KD
@@JoshtheRVNerd Josh, thank you so much for your quick reply! If there are others that come to mind, we are wide open to your wisdom and experience. We are at the beginning of our search, so we still have an open mind. If you think of anything else, Please send it. Have a great day!
Need to round corner on bedroom bedside cabinets. I have a partner on blood thinners with long arms. I can guarantee he would hit it getting up!!.
That’s a fair idea I think
You asked about sleeping in a single open space. It’s not a problem for me, I also view it similarly to a hotel room. It’s kinda nice to have all that airflow. The only downside is, I hear the AC more than in a bedroom with a wall. Ironically however, for me, if a bedroom HAS a door, it HAS to be shut for me to sleep. I can’t sleep in a bedroom with the door open because the monsters can come in. I’m weird I know.
May I ask how that's different in a Hotel room? People never seem to balk about the same sleeping arrangement in a hotel room by comparison
@@JoshtheRVNerd No, we're saying the same thing. I'm saying it's exactly like a hotel room. I have no problem with it.
@@GregV8 👍🏻
Booth dinette in case there might be a guest sleeping over, 2 way fridge and 400 watts. And maybe some heavier shades at the foot of the bed.
Ty
Love the floor plan but miss the closed bedrooms from the past Cougars. I once owned a 2007 24 ft Cougar with rear kitchen and front bedroom w 2 entry doors. I loved it. Not crazy about the bathroom by the kitchen or the open bedroom w flimsy curtain,But still a beautiful TT. ❤
Most cougars still have closed beds. This smaller one opts for an open design
@@JoshtheRVNerd thank you for responding! And btw… you are my favorite RV reviewer! I’m in love w the new Embers! ❤️
One other thing, it would be much better if it could be ordered with a single bowl kitchen sink. That way you could fit a pot in the sink.
Yes! I agree!!
Beautiful!
I would get rid of the dinet and put in an entertainment center with a electric or propane fireplace. Put a option for a table in front of the couch.
I like that idea.
Hey Josh, have you ever had a chance to look at the Outback version of this floor plan? I believe it’s the 221UMD. Thanks for the videos
Not yet but I've always liked Outback. They have a huge history in creative design
Would love to see the white-ish cabinetry throughout the entire trailer! The brown looks so dated. Love the rest of it, tho!
Two way fridge and table snd chairs
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I would absolutely love this camper with the Western Edition (22MLSWE). It takes that windshield away and from several comments I've read on forums and Facebook, is a good thing. I don't know what the percentage is, but many had chips and cracks in the windshield and it is super hot during the summer. I haven't been able to find one down in the south as they are out west...sadly. It has come down to the Keystone 22MLS and the Imagine 22MLE. Without the windshield, I'd buy the MLS in a heart beat BUT...can't find one. The windshield is also another leak point (although that is not my big issue with it). It appears the MLE (Imagine) will get my business by default. I'm not broken up about it because the Imagine 22MLE is a solid and really nice camper.
Keep in mind you do only tend to hear when things DON'T go well. Plenty of folks perfectly happy with windshields BUT... that being said.. I'd also prefer no windshield. I love them in front living/kitchens. I'm not a fan in a bedroom
This being an open design I don't mind it though
This is a nice rig for this size and weight. I think in many ways its better than my Lance 1995 and I would seriously consider this for 1/2 ton towing (I have a Chevy Tahoe that could tow this (assuming the tongue weight is as listed). Great review as always Josh !
Keep in mind that tongue weight is listed for an EMPTY rv - Not loaded (which is impossible to predict until actually loaded how YOU would do it)
Love this camper! 600 watt solar is what I'd want.😊
Thankfully they now have a 660w package for you!
@@JoshtheRVNerd thanks Josh
When it comes to the curtain for the bedroom wall I think the mind is a crazy place. I wish they would move the water heater to the space under the bed and I know you're going to say you're losing this storage space but who cares that looks really silly on that side of the bed. So if I'm going to be a little picky here I wish they would move the speakers down to the left and right sides of the stairs. Now this goes to every manufacturer not just cougar They always say that they have a you know heated underbelly that's between the frame rails only All of us have crawled underneath one of these that own one and there's a lot of space on the sides of the outside of the rails that is not insulated in any way. One more thing here if you're going to use aluminum for framing under the bed why isn't it there for the dinette Don't just think you're doing something like Rockwood do it like Rockwood. Hey Josh look at that slide It's magical 🤯
I have noticed especially in newer RV's that some manufacturer models seem to be using less solid wood cabinets and crazy amounts of staples to put thin paneling on interior walls. Even Models thought once luxury. At this point I would not buy a newer RV without it being inspected. It's not like buying a new car.
This RV would be perfect if it had an outdoor kitchen to it
Try this one m.ruclips.net/video/WyB5YR_uioc/видео.html
Hey Josh, thanks for making this video! I’d love to see ANOTHER window (yes, MORE windows, haha) near the stove like you see in the Keystone Outback 221UMD. A fireplace would be pretty cool, but there’s nowhere to put it. We got the 400i on ours (as well as the dragonfly batteries) and agree with you 100% it’s the best solar flex option. The 600i is like $10,000 more….or close to that-to expensive. I prefer the dinette because it’s more comfortable on the old tush and back versus a hard wooden chair. The 2023 I seen at the Hershey show had the inCommand panel in the cabinet to the left of the TV. I wonder if they’re putting the panel on the wall like we see in your video, now? And you say TPMS prepped, what does that mean? It has the sensors on the rims already? Or no? Thanks!!
Prepped for LCI's TPMS. There is a little module that plugs into the RV itself that will communicate with the valve step caps you'd put on the tires & relay that info to your phone
@@JoshtheRVNerd thanks!
Love the floor plan. Hate the cable operated slide mechanism and that it is a Keystone product (our last Keystone Cougar experience was that bad!).
It's great, no question there. But I prefer another Keystone product, the Crossroads Sunset Trail 253RB. The outdoor kitchen with real sink is the seller. It's storage is actually rather deceptive, doesn't look like a lot, but you can fit more than you'd think.
I got my hands on one of those earlier this season bit.ly/3OiCk6S
Liked what I saw!