Talking about the Warcraft Movie Trailer (2015) [Lore] (Spoilers)
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Late to the party, but so many requested it! In this video I'll talk about the origin story that the warcraft movie is based on, the trailer they showed during Blizzcon 2015 and the major difference between the origin story and the Warcraft movie. I hope you'll enjoy!
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Im just wondering why those humans did not just rubbed their hands to summon a gryphon.
+Piromyśl Last time I tried that all I got was a lousy fish feast.
Griffins are the eagle gods of LotR. They just kinda wanba help, but not willing to just take them to damn mountain.
+Piromyśl they didn't do that because its not BC yet
+Dave paterson But they're still in Azeroth. They need to wait until Cataclysm.
They didn't cimplete the exploratiin achievements.
my first thought when watching the Warcraft Movie Trailer: "Cant wait when Nobbel gonna analyze it" :D and here it is!
Just a little something, mates! That moment about 5:20 in the video, in the scene with Khadgar and the other magi, they're in the Chamber of Air. It's *not* in the sky, it's just an illusionary room made to conceal the location of the Council of Six. Read up the book Tides of Darkness (for Khadgar) and Day of the Dragon (for Rhonin) to see more about the Chamber of Air!
+Breno Rodrigues (Elphoenix) True, very possible yet missing the detail where they hide their identity. Didn't reveal themselves until Khadgar was an old man, but that could just be to make it easier for the movie.
+Nobbel87 Holy damn I got answered by Nobbel.
But indeed, they did conceal themselves in shadows (or something like that, my memory is crappy). Although not having them do that might allow us to see people like Antonidas and Krasus, which would be awesome!
+Nobbel87 I mean their figures are revealed, but their faces (minus the glowing eyes) seem to still be in shadow, so that could be the movie's solution to Khadgar talking to an empty room. Or they could, like you said, just be cutting that part out entirely, making it so just access to the Chamber is selective enough that knowing the Six's identities isn't that important in relation to an audience with them.
Regardless, I pray we get to see Kel'thuzad. Duncan Jones keeps talking about plans for a trilogy, so he would be a fool not to set up such a crucial player in Arthas' storyline.
+Breno Rodrigues (Elphoenix) maybe Kel'thuzard and Kael'thas too
+Nobbel87 If they are merging parts of Rise of the horde, The last guardian, and Tides of darkness on this movie, i can see them revealing themselves to Kadghar during the mid-late stages of the movie.
I wouldnt take that shot as prove that Dalaran is floating by that moment, but it is obvious is going to go up in the sky at some point in the movie.
I'm hyped for this but I really am worried the story is going to be murdered.
+Alyssa Lynn Spleas Well it was made by WoW fans, so I'm not sure if it will.
+Alyssa Lynn Spleas They've said that this isn't going to line up point-for-point with traditional Warcraft lore. Metzen likened it to Marvel's changing up of the storylines for the movies but the characters and key points are still the same. The lore will still take the same path, but minor details (where Garona betrays Lothar, the color of certain Orcs, how Thrall was abandoned, etc.) will be changed in the name of creating a more cinematic experience.
+Swamprat42 Durotan is betraying his race which never happened and Draka giving Thrall the moses treatment.
silverquis Well, Durotan wasn't involved with the conflict of the First War at all, if I remember right.
Swamprat42 Durotan was there during the beginning of the first war but The frostwolf clan got kicked out and went into hiding then Draka gave birth to thrall at the very end of the 1st war. After that, They went to Orgirm and told him about Gul'Dan and left and got killed
I'll probably make another short video to respond to some of your comments/feedback so please keep them coming!
+Nobbel87 about time!!! First thing that came to mind after watching the trailer is, "I need to hear what Nobbel has to say"
+Nobbel87 30secs in to me it looks like the soldier that fired the blunderbuss is part of the kings inner circle I think he could be jainas father later in the trailer he can be heard saying they should all be destroyed ok maybe a stretch but to be close to the king and that line for me jainas dad 35 secs in you have what I think is nerzul looking down on the horde camp just the hair outfit and staff made me think nerzul I would go on but theres lots of other trailer break downs and ive yet to hear anyone say this yet.
+Nobbel87 look behind lothar when he finds llane dead, is that the dark portal?
+Nobbel87 The "Wolf Hat" is suppose to be the pelt of his mother's wolf after he kills it accidentally. Its a reminder to never lose oneself to rage and bloodlust. (Or at least it was in WoD so I would assume its the same here)
+Nobbel87 I've got a question about the Doomplate (or whatever Orgrim's armor is named).
In the games, Orgrim wore the almost regal looking black and gold plate armor that Thrall wears now, but in the movie, we've only seen him in more tribal plate with one spaulder. Now, with the reveal of what Blackhand looks like, it appears that he has the familiar shoulders - albeit with dragon looking heads strapped to the sides.
Anyways, my question is where did the pieces of the Doomplate come from? I haven't been able to find a clear answer anywhere, and it appears that Orgrim always had that armor from what I've found. Could it be that they're purposely making it so that when Orgrim takes up the mantle of Warchief that he *literally* "takes up the mantle" and wears Blackhand's spaulders?
Haha. Draka and Durotan are both Brown in this movie. And Draka gives birth to a Green baby Thrall. hmmm... if i was Durotan i would probbably have some questions for Draka ...
+Vepar90 Orcs are more easily affected by Fel magic when in the womb.
***** Yea im sure thats what Draka Said as well... XD
AHAHAHAHAA funny guy...also The fel energies around them im the origin story made them green but appearently It didnt in the mobie instead It made their baby green
+Shadow Bringer We'll see if flaking will be a thing. It might not because of being too complex, Movie is 5 months away, we'll just have to wait :)
I do not think this movie will include the events of Warcraft 2. Should end with Stormwind burning and the Alliance fleeing to Lordaeron.
+JFHardman - I doubt they'd end the movie on a low-note.
Having just a bit of optimism at the end by forshadowing the Alliance seems more likely.
+JFHardman this movie is about all of the first game not the 2nd they might be making a warcraft movie series
+JFHardman Right, I'm sure Llana's funeral will be the final scene, but then again it looks like it is being held in SW, but Llana fell with SW.
+MadHatterHimself They can end it with such ending 300 ended pretty much the same way I think it could work and at the end they will just show Lothar and others forging the first Alliance as ending
yea and actually even tho we didnt see SW in flames It can end up like that. I mean they might wanted to keep the ending as a secret.
Really enjoyed your step by step commentary on the film's trailer.
I've only been playing WOW for about a year and a half and know next to nothing about the lore.
Thank you for taking the time to make these videos and for explaining the story behind the game.
I wish they kept it to the original story, 100%
That would have made an awful movie. The orcs would have zero good guy characters and it would end with the humans (and only humans, no Alliance yet) losing everything. The chances of a sequel are super small so they can't end on the cliffhanger of going to warn Lordaeron.
+Reign Stradamus I disagree ending on that cliffhanger would have been perfect. The chances of a sequel are not super small Duncan Jones and Charles Roven of Legendary have openly discussed it numerous times. The chances of a sequel are actually quite high.
+Reign Stradamus Warcraft 1, 2, and 3 bruh. The stories were perfect they literally could have used the original material and it would have worked perfectly.
+Benji banjo No they discussed that IF and ONLY IF the movie does good, THEN they make a Sequel. They didn't say anything else. You can not make a trilogy of a movie with a great cliffhanger in the first movie already. Look at for example Star Wars. The first movie can not have such a great cliffhanger, the second sure can as you can at least Count with some fans showing up. The movie still costs a lot of Money to make and counting with a movie to be already a part of a short series or a trylogy or what ever you have to at least have some prood that you make at least all the Money back.
+Reign Stradamus Not if the showed a bit of why the orcs wanted to invade Azeroth in the first place, and the plot to get blackhand out of leadership, then it would give the movie a shade of grey.
this is the first trailer breakdown that i can truly agree with, i was like "NO THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT IS" the whole time during most of em. but nobbel you never fail if it comes to lore accuracy. legendary pictures should hire you for the sequel if it ever sees the light of day.
I think you missed one clue Nobbel. In the scene where Lothar finds the body of King Llane with the dagger in his neck (which I agree that's what it was), if you look over Lothar's shoulder it looks like the Dark Portal in the background. So that Dark Portal battle I don't think is the climax, I think they shut it down early and kill Llane during that battle, and then the scene with Lothar on the steps of Castle Stormwind.
Best Breakdown by far!!! So many other videos have been posted but none have spoken to the lore as well as you. Keep it up!
Admittedly, I would have preferred it sticking to the story. Maybe a few changes to refine the story, but cutting out HUGE parts of the first Horde invasion to make the story more cinematic is troublesome for people who KNOW the story.
but really
PLEASE dont shove in an unnecessary romance between Garona and Lothar....
+Cuddle Oraque Vacuo Viator So rather have an unnecessary romance between Garona and Medivh?
By the way, we don't _know_ any of this. We have no confirmation. Remember how it looked like Black Widow and Captain America had a thing in their trailer?
No romance at all, and if they just HAVE to, why not Garona and Khadgar? Since it could be made into some sense giving we've seen them spend more time together.
+Cuddle Oraque Vacuo Viator Garona and Medivh had a romance in the original. So you're telling them to change the story while sticking to the original?
Creepy robe guy. Amazing role naming you got there Nobbel :P
I think they will stick more to the story then we think. I see it that way. Discovery of the dark portal-> 1rst attaque on the dark portal->King lane death->Death of medivh and Destruction of stormwind (because I think the other seen with the coffin is in lorderon)->formation of the alliance of lorderon as the final scene and a cliff hanger for the next movie
But lorderon isn't on the water and Stormwind is and we clearly see the ocean in the background
+Nathaniel Cheatle my guess is that the final scene will be the battle at the dark portal.
+Nathaniel Cheatle I'm going to bet that the sequence of events is like this:
Opening narration from Khadgar while he's at Karazhan, explaining the setting a bit. Then he witnesses Medivh open the Dark Portal and books it to inform the Council of Six to tell them what happened. Because he's still an apprentice and Medivh is a highly regarded, if eccentric, wizard, they don't believe him. -> Orcs invade from the dark portal out of nowhere and start pushing into Stormwind like nobodies business. Stormwind suffers more defeats than victories. Durotan and Orgrim follow the rest of the Horde into Azeroth and set up shop in Westfall.-> Durotan and Draka have a discussion over their loyalty to the Horde, and their conflicted feelings over the invasion and the constant battling, probably spurred on by Baby Thrall and how Draka doesn't want him growing up in a world that knows only war. -> Garona gets captured and is brought before King Llane and Lothar, and then parleys with them, telling them that there are some Orcs that would be willing to join them, and that she can lead them to where they are. There will probably be a fuss about it and then something about "having to fight brutality with brutality" and "it's our best and only chance" from Lothar, who has by now fallen in love with Garona and has become sympathetic to her, will convince Llane to go with it. -> Durotan might get kicked out of the Horde at this point after argument with Blackhand/Gul'dan, possibly with him trying to physically assault them, with Gul'dan deciding to take advantage of the situation to have Durotan become open to an alliance with the humans, subtly manipulating an unwitting Garona through sorcery to act as a matchmaker for both parties. -> Garona leads Llane and Lothar to Durotan and the Frostwolves, but the party they brought with them is attacked by a Horde raiding party. The guards that went out to protect them get completely slaughtered, and Llane and Lothar think Garona has betrayed them. Cue rescue by Durotan and the Frostwolves. -> Durotan and Llane negotiate, find common ground, and Durotan brings them back to the Frostwolf camp in Westfall to continue the talks, provide protection, and to "show them how true Orcs live." -> Everyone bonds, especially when King Llane and Lothar are introduced to Draka and Baby Thrall. Durotan and Draka are distrustful of Garona, but uneasily accept her when Lothar vouches for her. -> Night comes and everyone sits down around a campfire as Durotan begins narrating the story of how the Orcish Horde came to be. Cue flashback. This is probably when the scene where that image of Ner'zul comes from. -> The king and Lothar return successfully to Stormwind with the Frostwolves in tow, but as soon as they return they are told that Khadgar is there/Khadgar shows up with important information -> Khadgar tells Llane about the Dark Portal and Medivh's betrayal. Llane believes him. -> Llane holds a war council with Durotan, Lothar, Garona, and all the other generals in Stormwind's army. They plan an assault on the Dark Portal to destroy it, and to kill Medivh at Karazhan, with Durotan's Frostwolves needing extra time to muster their forces, but they promise that they will be there when the time comes as the cavalry to win the day. Then everyone sets out to war. -> Khadgar brings Llane, Lothar, and possibly Garona to Karazhan under the guise of friendship. They stay there for a little while, but Medivh, having gone mostly mad, sees through it quickly and accuses them of trying to kill him, probably while insinuating something about how well he and Garona each other. Llane apologizes, then they all fight. Khadgar gets hit with the aging spell, which doesn't immediately take effect, and Medivh is killed. Lothar doesn't know what to make of what Medivh said, but Garona simply dismisses him as mad. -> Cut back to the Frostwolf camp, where Durotan is preparing for the battle. However, through Garona, Gul'dan was able to divine the location of the camp, and sends a force of assassins to slaughter them all. Durotan either dies there or flees with Draka and Thrall, but the assassins manage to catch up and he dies while Draka sets Thrall adrift in a basket, before she is also killed. -> Cue assault on the Dark Portal. Not knowing the Frostwolf reinforcements aren't coming, Stormwind's army charges into the fray. Fighting becomes tough, but it looks like they might win the day, until Garona, controlled by Gul'dan, assassinates King Llane, at which point everything crumbles, and Stormwind is totally routed. -> The ending is probably that the Dark Portal is still destroyed/disabled somehow by Khadgar, ending the immediate threat of a larger invasion force coming through, but it's a pyhrric victory, since the King is dead, the army is in tatters, and there is still a large Horde of demonic barbarians running around. Cue Llane's funeral, and afterward Lothar's formation of the Alliance of Lordaeron to combat the orc threat, while Khadgar finds a single white hair forming, which he gazes at anxiously, Orgrim readies himself to challenge Blackhand and avenge Durotan, and Gul'dan meeting with Garona to discuss further plans as a last minute reveal.
+Marc-Antoine Morin sorry but 1. will they transport the death king Llane to Lordaeron to funeral? 2. where are Khadgar, Turalyon, king Terenas and others on funeral then? 3. The lion (sign of the Stormwind) are on the flags in background.
I think that initial tower is Karazhan and the grey haired guy we get an over-the-shoulder shot of is Moroes, who we see right after greeting Lothar and Khadgar as they land. Moroes is listed in the credits and it would make sense since apparently Dalaran is already floating. Great video! Can't wait to see the movie!
Why must they always retcon lore, the lore was fine
+William Smith It's hard, first of all you really cant have a movie where the bad "bad" guys win, and in the game the green orcs win. If you did make the bad guys win you will have to have a GIANTTTT fan base (like 10 times the amount of fans Warcraft has). Remember people are boring and too mainstream, "Happy endings for everyone" -_- and this movie is meant for everyone, not just Warcraft fans.
And also cause, lets be honest here, the Lore for wc1 and 2 was everywhere (specially with all the stuff WoW added), a movie has to be fairly linear (unless again you have a GIANT fan base, or you're Marvel ;) )
+Rodrigo “ratosc2” Trinidad They didn't have to make Durotan betray his race even though he knew why they were invading in the 1st place.
+silverquis Durotan does that in the lore as well, it's not something they added just for the movie.
Exzious No he didn't. He went along with everything until he got kicked out of the horde and went into hiding.
+Rodrigo “ratosc2” Trinidad This is why I prefer eastern media. They dont give a damn about the whole "the good guy always has to win in the end", they just write a good story and go with it whether the good guy wins or not. We have more than enough generic good vs evil stories already, sometimes the story is just better if the bad guy wins
Finally, Nobbel... by the gods - everyone else there was a ton of videos "analysing" the trailer and getting a lot of the lore or places/people mixed up. I was like "I need someone else to cover this right".
But as a lot of people already have pointed out - I'm scared of Legendary/Blizzard tampering with the Lore to create a more "Cinematic Experience".
I've been playing since the RTS games and honestly - I eat the lore up like candy... Your videos help fill any of the holes I've missed or serve as great refreshers for my memory when I can't recall a certain character (that and some of the smaller stories I miss like the Headless Horseman or the Darkmoon Faire).
The portal appears, (from the previous trailer), to not be made by a Draenai child -- probably too gruesome for a movie, so I guess it made a better sense to make it thousands of nameless, faceless people...
Lothar/Garona looking like they're hooking up (which retcons the Gary Stu of Medan, so... all for that actually...)
If Stormwind doesn't fall - they don't go to Lordaeron to form the alliance. Archbishop Alonsus doesn't create Paladins to counter Warlocks (And I believe the first Death Knights, like Teron Gorefiend), Lothar doesn't die at the battle of Blackrock - Turalyon doesn't TKO Ogrim to end the war.
Khadgar, Turalyon, and Aleeria don't go through the portal to close it permanently on the other side.
They don't need to hire the Stonemason's guild to rebuild - Varian's wife doesn't die, no Lo'gash storyline...
I'll probably go see the movie (I mean definitely! Like, seriously?! It looks awesome), but I cringe mentally to see what happens. Obviously there's not much to go by from this trailer, not to mention movies have a history to dubbing over scenes entirely (In a manner to show off surprise their audience with the true dialogue) or not even showing some of the scenes from their trailers.
I personally think the reason that Garona falls in love with Anduin Lothar in this movie is so that Med'an and his story line will never come to pass. Can't have a superpowerful 1/4 Orc 1/4 Dranei 1/2 UberPowerfulOMGAwesomeSauceGuardianMage if his mother knocks boots with Lothar instead.
Nobbel, in regards to Durotan with the wolf pelt. Don't forget in one of the Warlords pre-launch youtube videos they explained Durotan's story and how he got the wolf pelt. He had gone into a blood rage while fighting off creatures and in his rage he killed the wolf.
Yeah but that happened on Draenor, and we see him not wearing it while in Azeroth in this, so they likely tweaked that a little bit
Jesus Thrall confirmed.
+Achille12345 That was confirmed during Cataclysm.
*****
Indeed, but now we are truly sure.
+Achille12345 More Thrall Moses really
Anthony Ngu
Both?
Achille12345 K i guess
THANK YOU NOBBLE!!! For being the first to point out that Draka didn't left Thrall on a river. Honestly this bothers me a lot, given that Draka is portrait as a fucking badass that would never leave Durotar nor Thrall behind, no matter what. In that shot, she looks afraid abandoning baby Thrall, something that she'll never do.
And I get it, it's for the movie and what not. But it looks like they're portraying her weak. Knowing how she lashed out at Durotar, when he wanted her to stay so she and Thrall b safe, in Lord Of Clans... it really does bother me.
There are so many fucking "trailer breakdown" videos on youtube, and everyone gets it wrong! fucking finally yours come! hugs and kisses!
The black canyon area is probably the canyon between Burning Steppes and Redridge. You can see Blackrock Mountain in the background for a second.
Uh he flips his sword from one hand to the other. Right hand being his main hand, so it make sense that his sword would comfortably be used in his right and his riding hand his left. This is not for "No Apparent reason" in fact it could be seen as an attention to detail. I mean, you do see him using weapons in his right in almost all other instances. Not criticizing here, more like i am bringing it to light.
+King Stratzah yup. I was thinking he is just right handed.
+King Stratzah The point is, why on earth would you THROW your sword from hand to hand, WHILE jumping off a tower to a moving target you need to grab. Its like in star wars where they spin their light sabers around in circles while looking at each other, no reason for it, its just there to try and be flashy
yup. I fo sho would do that too.
Ligerwolf Beasttamer
And immediately drop the sword a thousand feet while slicing off your ear haha
+StrykerTen What I don't understand is, why was the sword in his left hand to start with?
I normally don't comment but it just feels like a whole new story. (which it is) I had hoped they would have stayed closer to the lore story lines. nonetheless I'm excited to see the movie and as always another top notch video. good job!
Haha, from Green Jesus into Green Moses xD gahhaha
spot on, seen 4 of these vids, nobbels the only youtuber who gets it right all the time
+Sange calipari He called a Gryphon "eagle"...
yup, what I feared, Chris Metzen agreed to change the lore just to make it fit into a movie.
Well, the movie is targeted for non gamers. I think I'm gonna like the movie anyway, it'll stil reveal memorable moments from the rts and mmo lore of the franchise.
Lothar and Garona, together? No worries, I think it's just to gain trust to get to the inner circle.
+Patrik Adolfsson It's impossible to turn so much story into a movie without changing it a bit.
Dawson Vanorsdale We can't really know that without watching the actual movie.
Blizzard has already said the movie isn't cannon so no reason to worry.....or no reason to see the movie if you wanna know the lore....
+Patrik Adolfsson Movie adaptations of novels / and stories are never ever exact, they have to leave a lot out in the movie just to fit the time slot and tell a full fulfilled story.
***** Oh, believe me, I honestly think the movie is going to be a failure for the general audience.
Not only high elves, but dude... LOR'THEMAR WAS IN THE MOVIE! He appeared quickly on this shot in Llane's funeral! An High Elf with an huge scar on his eye! :D
I hope it ends with the sacking of Stormwind and as they sail to Lordaeron Lothar gives a speech about hope or something. Like Star Wars IV: A New Hope. The good guys lose, but they will live to fight another day.
And I think it would be best if they killed off Durotan and Draka. It would show how much of a evil orc Gul'dan really is. It would also be a great motivation for Ogrim Doomhammer to take out Blackhand and claim the title of Warchief.
I think you are doing a great job on these videos, Nobbel! Greetings from Norway
I will be very disappointed if Stormwind doesn't burn. That is such a huge part of the story and the fact that they would not include it is a mistake i feel.
As for the shot with Durotan fighting random orc, I believe that was during the meeting with Lothar and Llane, and is what prompted the whole "You side with the humans against your own kind?!" bit later.
Green Jesus and now Moses... so Green Jesoses?
YEEEYY :D this is EXACTLY what im asking for ^^
thanks man nobbel87 my hero!
could that man at 16:15 be Kel'Thuzad? the robe looks like what necromancers in the cult of the damned wear
+DCP the cult of the damned wasn't even planned back then. Legion assumed that orcs will conquer the world.
+Helios but maybe Kel'thuzad just had a good fashion sense?
The cult of the damned wasnt a thing back then and Kel thuzad is prolly still pretty young...I mean atleast younger than the guy in the robes.
+DCP Unlikely but yes it can. By that time Kel'thuzad was still a member of the council of six and that mage has a crest of kirin tor in his chest.
+CZ57 Avenger It could be Antonidas too. I hope he isn´t Medivh
16:20
"Look at my bald, scary head. YOU NEVER SAW THIS COMING."
Best line.
Under 301club , welcome sirs :p
+Shistins 168
Been waiting for this vid for 2 long
so... you think they really screwed this movie up lorewise?
+K.Oboss No not really. I don't think it's meant to be 100% like the original story. It comes from a game which is turned into books which is turned into a movie. Different media has to consider different things when telling the story.
True.True. I see how it would be a lot of work to be perfectly in line. You think Blizzard will try to explain why it isn't perfect by saying its another alternate reality? XD
Metzen has said that the movie is about how the first war should have been. English is not my native language so my writing aren't exacly correct so ingore that please :D
Your English is all good bro.
Thanks dude, ur #1 lore master :)
Now that I know a little about the lore. I think the movie was pretty good. But I still don't know enough to identify who is who and what happens or should happened. But I liked it over all & I hope they make another movie
Is it just me or was anyone else hyped to see Stormwind burned, and see a LOTR style trilogy on Lothar/Khadgar's POV?
if the Alliance forms in stormwind from a basic king's death and them beating back the orcs in the first movie is really lame.. and really won't help for a sequel unless they start remaking the lore of the RTS'.
You're mad if you think such a spoiler would be put in a fucking trailer. Even if Stormwind burns in the movie, it wasn't going to make it here obviously. In fact, a shit ton of plot points are conveniently skipped.
11:02 Looks like a reference to a dwarf shooting at the end of the vanilla cinematic to me.
+Mental Institution and durotan at one point does like the orc in the mop trailler(I think)
I think the tower at the start is Karazhan and the grey hair man is Moroes. when you see the council of 6, the main guy at the top of the stairs should be antonidas, you can see him at the funeral of Llayne Wrynn.
"And so, we all praise Lothar, who singlehandly defeated the whole Horde, saved the 2 worlds by marrying Garona (who was a long time lost Orc Princess) at the Cathedral of Stormwind, adopted prince Varian and the little (ugly) Thrall, and became known as Lothar I, first king of the Alliance, fullfilling the prophecy (Of course there was a prohecy). THE. END."
Yeah... No. Let's hope the changes wont be that big.
Nice video, as always.
The shot at 10:14 looks more like a Laughing Skull mask to me than Ner'zhul, especially since Ner'zhul wore war paints and not a mask.
If I recall correctly, Zuluhed the Whacked was the only shaman in the Horde by the time the Dark Portal was created.
I have seen a leaked movie poster of Medivh and he's waring blue clothes and is not that old. Also he has long hair, so I think the trailer mage is Antonidas, or someone else, but not Medivh :P
tyvm! your videos are always awesome and informative. not all of the orcs having green skin was annoying me, so thanks for the ease of reference for good orc vs bad!
the guy firing the Blunderbus - Ryan Robbins from Sanctuary and Continuum.. A not very well known actor.. but he has to have a bigger screentime than just random Foot Soldier :P Also.. fairly sure Antonidas is shown in the Funeral scene in the Warcraft Teaser Trailer at 4 seconds in. BTW, Glad you had a great time at Blizzcon Good Sir :)
If you look in front of Durotan when he takes off the wolf pelt, you can see that he's standing in front of Blackhand and Gul'dan (You can see Blackhand pretty clearly, but only see a little of Gul'dan's spikes.)
I believe this shot is just prior to Durotan sucker-punching Gul'dan.
Hey Nobble. I catched some things in trailer.
1. Your speculation about dalaran/kharazan thing at the first shot of the video : lets assume Dalaran is not airborne yet and it is right at the Loramere Lake in Tirisfal. i dont see any lakes in the first shot so my bet is Kharazan, what do you think?
2. What are Orcs doing in westfal? It is not possible to go all the way from blasted lands (redridge mountains included) to westfal and not encouter with humans in the Elwynn Forest.
3. durotan meets with Lothar (garona, llane) probably in searing gorge cuz there is big ass lava hurling mountain behind him so my guess is Blackrock mountain.
4. picture of your council of six must be placed in the dalaran cuz the kirin tor logo (the eye) is up in the windows.
5. Lothat jumping from some sort of building : my guess Kharazan again cuz it is pretty damn high and the mountains around and I think this is right after confrotation with Medivh. (also in the novel last guardian there is passage about gryphon roost in kharazan where medivh is talking about riding them dwarfishly (no seats) ) and gryphon in this scene is also without seat.
6. we can see Lothar without armor taking dive on gryphon into battle at the dark portal BUT there is scene with the dagger in the back and there is armor on Lothar's shoulders and dark portal behind him so.... two battles at the dark portal? i dunno..
7. First shoot with snowy mountains, could be maybe Alterac Valley (refugee of frostwolf clan) and Lothar on his way to have a tea with Durotan mut its just a wild idea.
let me know what do you think about this. :-)
Stabby stabby Gul'dan at 13:27 is priceless!
Around 6:00 I think this is the scene in The Last Guardian where the council of Six gives Khadgar the order to become Medivh's new apprentice. IIRC Khadgar was sent there to spy on Medivh since the mage broke contact with Dalaran at the time.
That room in which they are (the place where that "Kid" is running up) is most likely the Sky Chamber, a place outside of reality that the Six Leaders of the Kirin Tor use to converse, without revealing their identities. It is explained as being in the middle of the sky, the weather rapidly changing around them yet never touching them. This could be it, although I don't think they're capable of taking visitors with them (or rather, not allowed to). It might be it, just thought I'd throw it out there :)
"Look at my bald scary head, you never saw this one coming!", supposed alternate Medivh would definitely be the highlight of this movie.
Also I'm not sure what the developers were thinking of , but if was to direct a WC movie, I would definitely stick to the original story (and start with Rise of the Horde just because that would not leave a badassier and more dramatic mark, but would also be better for the story development in the long term, if this would be to become a franchise.
at last! The lore master finally made a video about the movie!
I get the sense that Blizzard has lots of twist in store for this movie. A Reddit chain was discussing the "generic" feel to the trailer in terms of a fantasy movie, and some people had a lot of interesting theories. First, we thought that the changing of Draka and Durotan's deaths had less to do with gruesomeness, but honor. Them being ambushed is kinda sad compared to them dying in battle, better for a movie. Second, they thought that the "funeral scene" isn't the end of the movie. They get the sense that the siege of Stormwind will happen after this shot. Your theory on it being what brings the Alliance together makes a lot more sense. It would make for a good set up for possible sequels, the destruction of Stormwind, the creation of the Paladins, Turalyon and Alleria shacking up, the journey into Dreanor, really the entirety of the second war. Reddit thought that if the producers showed a trailer with twists and turns in it, it wouldn't attract viewers outside of the Warcraft franchise. I love your theories and can't wait to hear what else you have to say about the movie!
I believe that the initial building is Dalaran, because if you look behind the figures at the council bit, there is a mural; or metal decor that takes the formation of the Eye of the Kirin Tor.
About orcs and hammers: the Blackrock clan use hammers as weapons of choice because of their deep knowledge and practice of mining, blacksmithing and engineering. Swinging hammers is just natural to them, as can be verified in Blackrock orcs throughout WoD and in the Blackrock Spire dungeon. Considering the first invasion of Azeroth was basically spearheaded by the Blackrock clan, it's quite expected to see that many hammers .in the movie.
Great interpretation including some laughs. Thanks Nobbel :)
Imagine a scene with Khadgar using his visionary skills and watching Aegwynn vs Sargeras on this movie? Can't be better im telling you! :P
Glad you did this video! Most others out there are done by people with little or no knowledge of the lore.
I think the bald guy in robes is Antonidas. I'm pretty sure the guy in the background of the shot where Lothar says "this is suicide" is Medivh. He sure looks like Medivh's actor.
@Nobbel87 For the characters you were unsure of, IMDB actually provides a list of characters and their actors. For example the "Goldshire Footman" is Karos. And it's the same guy saying "They're beasts, they should all be destroyed" somewhere in the middle of the trailer. As far as I see it he is now, in the present timeline, a bat handler in Silverpine Forest named Karos Razok :D
The scene where Lothar discovers the body of, supposedly, King Llane is infront on the dark portal, you can see the structure behind them. This may mean that his death is at the end, in the final battle, but then the coffin scene wouldn't make much sense. It may be that it is someone else in the gold armour.
the orc dropped the hammer?! nobbel! my trailer immersion! :P also, what if the funeral ceremony is a vision created by karazhan? the "mage" looks really out of place where he is. he doesn't look like a friend, but he doesn't look like a foe either, just an observer. i can't wait for the movie so it's all put together!
Nobbel, the character at 11:05 is Karos Razok. I can tell from this shot and other media that the actor is Ryan Robbins who, according to IMDB, is playing Karos. Not sure why he is included but you can probably speculate better than I can.
I thought that the green orc hiding in the water during Thrall's Moses scene was Thrall from the future. In the book 'Twilight of the Aspects' Thrall goes back in time and witnesses the scene where his parents were killed and be was picked up by Blackmoore, he hides in a river to avoid being seen.
Ghost track for a future warcraft movie:
Nerubian or acolyte meets with mal'ganis and the only dialogue is "My life for Ner'zhul"
I cant be the only one wishing for this!!
That grey-haired guy is most likely Moroes (played by Callum Keith Rennie...he certainly looks similar to him), which would make that tower with crystal Karazhan. My bet is that Anduin is bringing Khadgar (who could probably be his son in movie version of story...that would make Khadgar much more prominent character without need to introduce him separately, because he would be the son Anduin will have in movie and they could be introduced together).
Well... At least the CG going to be breath taking. Might be another blue avatar though.
Ner'zhul later enslave the elements (not asking them for help, but commanding them) - the skull orc can be him.
If they make a by book movie it would have roughly 8-10 hours
Dang was hoping Legion cinematic would be first. Still great as always though!
that shot of ner zhul looks to me to be a laughing skull clan member
The first scene is probably not Dun Morogh but the burning steppes covered with snow. You can see the very dark stone underneath the snow which is the same as later on in the trailer.
The guy looking out of the tower is Medivhs servant Moroes.
I really hope, that Stormwind will fall in this movie and not just King Llane. Maybe he just gets assassinated outside of Stormwind, but I doubt that movie will go much further than the funeral scene.
during the trailer at 29 or 30 sec, you see the old school orcs from warcraft orc and humans and warcraft 2, with the viking like helmets and armor. I thought that, that was a pretty cool touch to bring to the movie
the frame by frame of that orc getting shot was probably just that.
1 frame shows the impact and then the next shows the actual damage done by said impact.
I think that the wolfcape, which Durotan wears, is the dead wolf of his mother. We know, that he wears it, because he killed it in bloodrage, while defending his sick mother. It is his reminder of never giving in to the rage within him.
Medivh is actually only shown once in the trailer. Around 1:46, when Lothar says "This is suicide" you can see Medivh standing in the background. Just wanted to poin that out, cause everyone seems to think that the red robed creepy bald guy is him ^^
ugh this movie is all over the place. Nobbel your lessons have taught me well, this movie intends to rip this knowledge to oblivion
Remember that in the first Warcraft game were been 2 endings. One where Stormwind Fell and one where it didn´t.
If you look close on the shot where Durotan takes off the wolf thingy, you can actually see both Gul'dan and Blackhands shoulderpieces. Just thought I'd point it out :)
Finally you made this video, I got sick of fake fans reacting to the trailer and pretend they know lore.
Thats is Dalaran for sure, even though Deadwind pass also have mountains surrounding it, the open green fields next to the building suggests that it is Dalaran and not Karazhan.
i so hope they will be closer to the origin story, espacially about dalaran and the fall of stormwind, at least more then you speculate D:
Can you do a lore video on Antonidas? Not sure if you've done one yet. That statue in Dalaran was very interesting. Yet it's out to the side and always a empty area.
I think the tower at the start is karazhan because the guys we can see from behind is probably Moroes (because it's probably Callum Keith Rennie who is announced to play Moroes)
The queen is the dragon lady Onyxia, the new king is Bolvar.
The guy on the ground with a knife in his back is the footman shooting the gun.
I think "creepy robe guy" is Kel'Thuzzad. His outfit looks just like KT's in Old Hillsbrad
+Jackson Harris Too old in this period he would be in his 30's max.
4:03 I believe this is one of the arcane observatories that Kael'thas had to activate around the outskirts of Dalaran (iirc this mission in TFT is where he first allies with Lady Vashj). You can see buildings rising over the mountain in the background, leading me to believe that it's not Karazhan.
16:11 The robe kinda looks like mage tier 5, which is the Tirisfal Regalia. So, perhaps not Medivh but one of the members of the Council of Tirisfal? Hugarin and Huglar should be dead by this point iirc, but as much as they seem to be shuffling the timeline it isn't unreasonable that one or both still live at the time of Llane's funeral.
You keep calling the gryphons 'eagles'. It's partially true, yes, but still I couldnt help but notice :p Otherwise great video! Hope we get to see Ner'zhul.
This confirms summoning mounts in legion will be an instant. Fuck yeah!
As Durotan takes of his wolf-"cape" in front of the green orcs you actually get to see a glimpse of Blackhand and the skulls from Gul'dan's armor. Looks like he's been captivated by the hord at that point. Felt like this was interesting to know :)
+Isak Cetin "captivated"? XD
Imprisoned or taken or whatever you wanna call it
+Isak Cetin Captured.
Thrall as a baby already has a receding hairline. Poor little fella.
I can't wait for the third movie!
I mean... if that's going to be a thing.
Though, it might be kind of hard to make the entire story of Warcraft 3 into a linear movie. They'd have to have like 2-3 movies for the entire thing...
I think Antonidas is the old bald mage with fancy robes. You can see him during the shot of gatherig of Council of Six (the middle one), when Khadgar arrives and lated during the funeral scene, the old mage on the right.
And you missed the part where they meet at Blackrock Pass, the border of Burning Stepps and Redridge Mountains, since you can see Blackrock Mountain in the background.
And yes, Durotan and Draka die, atleast as far as Durotan is conderned, since the 40 sec trailer leak from 2 months ago shows Gul'dan using Drain Life on him, which probably happens durng their fight.
Oh, and with DJ saying the movie will be Game of Thrones meets Avatar... well, Star Wars: Empire Strikes Back ended on a down note, so why shouldn't Warcraft?
In the scene when you see Durotan confronting Garona and Lothar, you can see Blackrock Mountain in the background