Star Trek Picard Era Starfleet Ship Numbers & Size Composition
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- Опубликовано: 24 май 2023
- United Federation of Planets warp capable vessels; 12,700 comprising the Space Born Divisions of Starfleet, The Federation and Member World Fleets during the Picard Timeline Year of 2403 at the dawn of the 25th Century.
Post Dominion War Fleet Modernization Programs equipping Starships with advanced Warp 9.9 Factor Drives to carry The Federation and Starfleet into the new Century of Y2.5K. New Multi-Role Starship Classifications utilizing modular platforms for a shared family of four primary ship types increasing the overall shipyard production capacities.
Trek Year 2403 Total Ships 12,700
Starfleet / United Defense Force: 5,620 Starships
Federation Auxiliary Service: 3,315 Starships
Member World Support Fleets: 3,765 Vessels
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Picard season 3 did the Enterprise E and F dirty.
Granted there is supposedly a whole 20 years of the Fs existence but
Yeah...
Great video and I agree with your analysis. From reading the Novels and applying some common sense I think its quite logical to assume Starfleet has tens of thousands of capital star ships by this century. By the 25th century just the vast territory and sheer size of the Federation space would require this number of capital ships to provide the security needed for such large interstellar power. The novels portray the Federation during this era as a super highly advanced hyper power but not just technologically but also in its economic superiority with the vast infrastructure needed to keep such a gargantuan fleet well maintained and constantly upgraded. By the 25th century the Federation is the most advanced power save for the society's who have transcended to some kind of ascended existence like the Q or the douwd. They are on the cusp of becoming a true galactic power. They have by this time fielded technology like the quantum slipstream drive on large portions of their fleet and are by this time sending fleets to the far corners of the beta, delta, and gamma quadrants. Their sensors, weapons and shields are some of the best and most powerful deployed and very few other cultures build ships that can match them. The khitomer accords of which the Federation belongs as the preeminent power represents nearly 60% of the military might of the entire Milky Way and 70% of the galaxy's economic capacity. Although other powers approach the Federation in some of these categories they really cannot compare in overall power nor the ability to project it over such vast swaths of known and unknown space. This is why former foes like the Klingons, Ferengi, and Cardasians to name a few have joined with the Federation in the khitomer accords to become allies. Even a faction of the Borg have joined as provisional members of the Federation. In the latest Voyager novels the Federation is establishing fleets and bases in the delta quadrant with the use of their quantum slipstream equipped vessels. In the Delta quadrant they are making treaties with a vast interstellar powers and establishing trade routes. A example of one such large democratic peaceful power which is close to the Federation in the number of member worlds but is not as technologically advanced is called the confederacy of worlds. But also diplomatic and trade ties have been set up with many other races such as the Telaxians, the Devor, the Krenim and even the Voth. The Federation has even established a ultra high speed subspace communication network to the Delta quadrant as a result of project pathfinder which allows for near instantaneous two way communication. By the early 25th century a small slipstream equipped fleet including the original but refit voyager has left the Milky Way with a race dubbed "Species 001" and are heading for the Andromeda galaxy. I particularly like this era in the books because it is the beginning of the Federation at its zenith. And it is explained in the novels that this is why Q had such interest in humanity and the Federation in particular becasue he knew that the destiny of the Federation was to eventually take over from the Q in order to lead and become the stewards of the Milky Way and beyond.
You know what bothers me about people complaining about Voyager’s “70 year trip home”? That people confuse the Intrepid Class’s max warp drive speeds (9.9975) with a max cruise speed (which is actually much slower 7). Warp 7 would take around 70 years to traverse the distance back home. Thanks for using cruise speeds when talking about the logistics of planet to planet shipping in the alpha quadrant
Exactly if voyager went max warp it would have burned out its warp core or engines part way through the trip
Voyager has a "sustainable cruise velocity of warp 9.975"
@@mintybiscuits941 not according to episode 1, nor the official website. "Voyager's folding wing-and-nacelle warp drive system allows the starship to exceed the warp 5 "speed limit" without polluting the space continuum. Voyager can reach a speed of warp 9.975, but only for short periods." Voyager's sustained cruise speed is warp 6 (after looking up details, it was warp 6 not 7) Voyager can travel at warp 9.75 for 12 hours. (VOY: , "The Swarm")
@sh4d0wfl4re Dude, it's literally a line in the pilot.
"That's our ship. That's Voyager. Intrepid Class. Sustainable cruise velocity of warp factor 9.975. Fifteen decks. Crew compliment of 141. Bio-neural circuitry."
@@mintybiscuits941max sustainable cruise only meant that it could maintain max warp for 12hrs it couldn't do that long term regardless of what some crew member said in the first episode. How do we know this? Because it was stated again and again in later episodes the max speed she was rated for was 9.975.
The entire Federation fleet of 12000+ ships would be a massive power projection.
True. But this is based on real world naval operations. Only a third of any country's navy is on active deployment, the rest are either in dry dock for maintenance, being decommissioned or being built.
11,999 are Oberths
I think it was only one or two sector fleets, not the entire fleet. You have ships that are on upgrades in shipyards, patroling the borders of Federation and many ships that are outside Federation, exploring. So this what we saw in Picard was only small portion.
I agree...calling back the ENTIRE FLEET makes no sense...there would be ships NEEDED to secure borders, ships engaged in long term missions, ships engaged in humanitarian and rescue missions...medical missions...ships far, far out in long-range, long-term exploratory missions...ships engaged in ongoing urgent diplomatic missions...resupply missions...recalling every single ship would be impossible, and stupid...
What we saw may have been a large part of the *available* fleet...along with some important "show" ships, like the Enterprise-F...but NOT every single ship in the fleet, all in one place...
@@thethirdchimpanzee You never put all eggs in one basket. If something happen they will all be lost. Try putting entire navy (today) in one place, one naval base. If someone attack that base or nuke it, you basically lost every naval asset you have. You spread your navy and organize it in fleets or battlegroups. In that way you cant loss your entire fleet. 200-300 ships we saw in picard were simply the Sol/Vulcan sector ships.
Sort of Fleet Week around the United States.
@@thethirdchimpanzee I think it is supposed to be Fleet Week around the United States.
Sort of like Fleet Week conducted by the US Navy at selected cities each year. BTW, San Francisco is one of these cities. According to Canon, the Federation charter was signed at the War Memorial Opera House in San Francisco, just like the United Nation's.
San Francisco was actually the headquarter of the United Nation's until the United Nation's was built. As a matter of fact, you will see a series of columns ar the United Nations' Plaza walking toward San Francisco City Hall with its members on organized by the original date of membership, starting with the original members, which you see first, then the latest members last.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail and every shape way and form possibly provided on all subjects and various vessels and so forth indeed 👌.
I am so loving this video!
New subscriber.
That was so cool.
Still angry that the NCC-42037 USS Excelsior was destroyed trying to save the starbase
Epic indeed
Great video!
I wish people would stop calling the ross class a galaxy refit, its not. Its a totally different class of ship that is just similar in size and looks abit like a galaxy. According to the designer it was developed along side the soveriegn class but didn't go into production untill the 2380's. Same goes for the excelcelior 2 class its not a refit its a totally new class of ship that just looks a little like the excelsior class, actually same goes for the Sutherland class too different ti be a refit.
I guess the planetary defense ships are like the offshore patrol ships used by the United States Coast Guard although due to the size and capabilities as well as the range, they are deployed as an additional patrol escorts for a naval squadron.
I read from the TNG Galaxy class guide that these ships due to its size and larger accommodations as well as its abilities to hold more passengers, are used as disaster evacuation ships. Not unlike the role of a US Navy aircraft carriers and helicopter carriers in disasters, both natural and Man made. As I recall on TNG, there were a couple of episodes where the Enterprise D was used in this role.
Fewer than 1500 star ships is a very unrealistic number to be defending/patrolling/exploring Federation space (must be in excess of 150 million systems in Fed space). It could pass for a sector fleet but for the entire Federation - 10K + main line ships hundreds of thousands of smaller support craft.
you'd think starfleet would have at least 1 ship per light year.
Starfleet is the main force not the only force there are other oringizations in the federation that still explore and do exploration every faction apart of the federation have their own ships still and companies as well
I suppose those could just be the capital ships, with the larger volumes of smaller ships not present. But yes, it does seem quite a small fleet for the 8000 or so light years wide sphere of federation territory/influence.
That was 1490 Starships on designated mission locations, 1490 are in-transit between mission objectives and dock ports, the other 1490 are dry-docked for repairs etc... Technically 2980 are deployed during fleet rotations and the in-transit ships can be diverted for emergencies. Unfortunately fleet rotations are how Navies have to operate including every other Galactic Powers like the Klingons and Romulans have to rotate there ships also. Federation Ships would also add another 1200 Starships on active missions.
@@Xightly_Loopid_001 I tend to prefer like 15,000 vessels, of various sizes, from Oberth, Defiant and Saber scale, up to midsized transports, technical and medical, and on up to heavy cruisers and explorers (this would be circa the start of the Dominion war, mind)
And with up to 44 tactical fleets of nearly 200 ships, on active military service, say. Plus some reserves.
This is great.
the issue is, in the Picard Season Finale the "whole Fleet" together, didnt look like 5000K ships.. at all...
it was around 300-400 ships, roughly counted...
In the video Phase 1 Starships were (629), Phase 2 Picard Se3 Starships were (509). Also there were more of Starfleet in the surrounding Sol System and Sector 001.
It could be explained in ST: Legacy that it was just a Local Fleet of Sector 001/Solar System and because Borg attacked so quickly and interrupted all Starfleet communitations, there was simply no time to ask additional Fleets for help.
I imagine they were the Frontline ships . Support vessels IE science, older vessels and engineering vessels or vessels on deep space missions weren't present 😊
@@marksouthwell4490 Laforge stated he told HQ gatherint the whole fleet is a bad idea but they ignored his advice..
Its a simple writing error..
Which is not uncommon thru the ST franchise, i just pointed it out..
But i rather have a this then whatever the fu.. was s1 and s2..
This is a non-issue. The US navy has 7 active fleets across the earth, I'd imagine Starfleet has a whole lot more covering the Federation territories. This is simply the 'Main Fleet'. To prove my point; the fleet at ESD does not include a single Sutherland or Duderstadt class ships while they've both been in several scenes in season 2 and 3 of Picard, logic dictates those are part of other fleets.
I wonder any chance for a Dominion War AU with Starfleet plans to the Gamma and follow up Dominion if you were to do?
Cool, will you do this for the other era's?
So they 3d print starships? Thats fucking cool
You would have thought theyd build a few thousand defiant class ships after the war and just leave them in high value sectors. Small but tough and quick to manufacture requiring very small crews
If I recall correctly form DS9 the Defiants had technical issues that halted their mainline production, and needed upgrade customization to get the dozen or so ships combat ready. So I would assume Starfleet chose a larger battle cruiser design to mass produce.
The Defiant class were still manufactured around the 25th Century but their shortcomings were pretty obvious given these were literally the brass knuckles of the fleet. They aren't made with much comfort in mind, so it's best if the Defiant tactical escorts (including other ships like the Saber class) were based around starbases and long range outposts. Their shortcomings led to bigger tactical escorts with a few important luxuries in mind, which made them perfect for second contact missions and long range recon missions or border security patrols far away from their assigned starbases. That's why Starfleet created the Diligent class and others of a similar profile.
Still, it cannot be stated just how important the Defiants are to the fleet. They're small, armed to the teeth, and very easy to manufacture compared to most ships. Their small size, fighter-like maneuverability, and blistering speed makes them the perfect guard dogs to key long range bases and outposts, if you think about it. A handful of Defiants in a wolf pack formation with a swarm of fighters and heavy raiders could literally make any potential adversary (well, ANY adversary except the Borg) think twice on attacking a starbase.
@@jaymikevillanueva1212 Ya I'm not sure how many Defiants were built after the Dominion war, so maybe there is a few hundred performing patrol duties?
@@Xightly_Loopid_001 If Starfleet learned from their mistakes, it's a safe bet by the end of the Dominion War, the fleet would churn out Defiants and smaller ships in record numbers while reactivating older ships to bolster their numbers and rebuilding the fleet from scratch. This is true after the Synth attack which also decimated a number of ships still stuck at the shipyards over Mars.
The 25th Century Starfleet ain't the Starfleet that was lax on the 24th Century. They've learned not every faction or culture is friendly and there's always that looming Borg threat that could happen anytime despite being crippled by both Captain and Admiral Janeway. But that's not to say they're perfect. When it comes to defense and understanding war, Starfleet is still a noob.
I think the Inquiry class took up this role during the Picard era. In all likelihood it is more efficient to build larger ships as I would imagine most of the cost of a ship comes from its warp core, nacelles, computer and other components rather than the hull. So a Defiant could be 1/2 the cost of an Inquiry but 1/5 as tactically capable for instance, making it better value to build an Inquiry.
The best starship is the Nebula class, by far faster, narrow with a reasonable manifest crew.
I still don't know why there aren't more Sovereigns and why were they so easily surpassed by Oddesy class.
I wouldn't say the surpassed the Sovereigns but more like added additional flag ships for deep space exploration similar to the Galaxy Class roles. I would assume the Sovereigns operate with fleets near or within Federation Space, while Odessey operates as a long-range command ship for an expeditionary group. Also I recall the Sovereigns had production issues delaying there numbers similar to the problems with the complexities of the NX class ENT Era ships.
You're assuming that there aren't they never specifically stated how many were built and were they all were at any given time but the sovereigns we're hardly cutting-edge after the battle of the Basin rit my understanding is the development for the Odyssey class began after the enterprise-e was relatively easily overpowered by the scimitar again you have to remember whether it's infection or real-world terms anytime of design is superseded it's usually because it was rendered obsolete by a precipitating event
What about the intrepid class? Just the right size for "Inatmos landings".
Not to say the video is inaccurate, but If the Federation really ran this way it would be insane. From a pure logistical point, at least for the transport/support division it makes no sense to keep all those disparate vessels from multiple worlds in service after a couple hundred plus years while still doing contract work for starfleet. Servicing them and parts and maintenance all would be a nightmare, deliveries would be inconsistent and be unreliable due to potential breakdowns and differing slow warp speeds (and scale, for those on the old 23rd century scale). It would make far more sense to condense dozens of older vessels down to a handful and replace based on age and/or condition..
It would be far better to have say 2-4 classes that could serve multiple roles each. Such as for example:
- Nova class serving in all roles for scouting/medical/science/research
- Interceptor class (a fan favorite) serving as escort and patrol and system defense
- Mångsysslare class class (a fan favorite) or a similar multi-purpose vessel serving as quick change transport container tug serving all needs by container transport or towing including medical, mobile repair (aka dry-dock), shuttle/fighter carrier, tender container, deuterium/neutronic fuel carrier, colony transport, dry bulk, liquids, marine transport, products, and refrigeration.
All thee would be fairly small and simple builds by modern standard, and could be contracted out to more yards.
I could see a single smaller type transport for smaller things, like the Raven class or something else to do very small or specific research, or transport small amounts of goods/people.
Also, I'm not convinced the Federation could only produce 30 vessels per year... because they have multiple yards, and even with Mars Utopia Planitia gone, we have multiple yards in Sol alone (McKinley, San Fransisco, Luna Shipyards), let alone a couple dozen other facilities scattered across Federation space... and also various repair facilities.
The Inquiry Class looks a lot like STOs Avenger Class (a personal fav) Imagine my surprise when I saw my ship on TV lol (per se ofc)
Why did the Picard era have less ships? Romulan Empire gone and Klingons and Cardassians no longer a threat? I understand the warp drive efficiency you described. By the way great video and I subscribed! :)
The stronger your ships, the less you need.
What source are you using for this data?
Or did I miss it in the video?
It was a pretty big data dump, lol.
The Terran overlord Government had 100,000 battleship squadrons of about ten ships. And millions of fighters. Starfleet would be squashed like a bug versus the TOG. I would like to see that.
Also the Excelsior II isn’t a refit, it’s a completely new ship it’s like twice as big
Its bigger with the extended Nacelles and extended saucer section but the primary hull is the same size. They might have built some new ones, but the Refit means they upgraded from the type 1
@@Xightly_Loopid_001 it’s a 100m longer and that’s not just Naccele, plus he entire neck of the ship is way thicker
@@Xightly_Loopid_001 the saucer section isn’t just bigger but a different shape
@@scpguy1381 The Saucer section is longer on the refit, and the warp 9.99 nacelles are extremely longer then previous trek Nacelles. Not sure about the exact size comparison, but it would seem strange to designate the classification a type II refit if it was just a new line of starship?
@@Xightly_Loopid_001 it never says refit just Excelsior 2. Plus if they were calling this Excelsior 2 because it was a refit than should the Enteprise B Version be classiest and Excelsior 2 and the current one in Picard the Excelsior 3? If you look up a comparison of the two ship you see a photo from STO that perfectly demonstrates the difference.
The Odyssey is officially stated at 1061 m length, not 1028 m.
Did I miss the mention of the California class?
If the drydocks more or less replicate ships in-situ, what are the synths for? They appear to be used as inexhaustible construction labour
They were for mass production of ships at Utopia Planitia to evacuate Romulan planets. We are talking ship numbers quickly that in the universe, only the Dominion built, except there was only about 5 years before the supernova happened. That is approximately 20 worlds to be evacuated, 10 of which had the equivalent of current Earth's population.
After they evacuated the planets, the ships would then be used to move supplies and resources to those planets.
The Romulans turned to the Federation, because, basically, they could not be bothered to rescue the populations the Romulan Senate deemed a waste of resources to remove. We are talking a Purge type step here.
All of the Romulan Star Empire leaders and key personnel had already evacuated before the Federation was even informed.
The Tal Shiar attacked Mars, because the Federation efforts made the Romulans look really bad by comparison, and the Tal Shiar has always wanted to use any situation with the Federation to weaken them.
@@shauntempley9757 Doesn't that call into question the canon-explained narrative of the Zhat Vash infiltrating Starfleet Security amd Intelligence and sending a covert signal to override the Mars synthetics' core programming, turning them against the shipyards and provoking the Federation into enacting the ban on Synth research and production? All because of some Admonition?
@@shauntempley9757it wasn't the Tal'Shiar, wasn't it some other secretive Romulan organization that was against synthetics?
Didn't the Dominion Wars consume thousands of Federation ships?
Hundreds.
@@tarn1135 There were at least 5 HUGE scale battles involving as many as 600 Federation ships.That's 3000 right there, not to mention all the skirmishes that would not have been mentioned and smaller scale battles involving dozens of ships at a time.
With the Federation, Klingons and Romulan Fleets combined the ships lost in action were around 5-8k total.
A lot of headcannon in this video combined with an inqccurate map and scale.
I think your opinion regarding the advanced warp drive capacity is wrong because unless you forget Voyager top speed was warp 9.975 and so is the Enterprise E also had a top speed of warp 9.975 so they had Advanced warp drive capability long before the Star Trek Picard era came into play.
So what happened to the Starfleet regulations that stated ships could not travel faster than warp 4.7 because warp drive was destroying subspace? (STNG - Force of Nature)
Lore Reason: Dropped due to newer warp drive technologies. Voyagers folding nacelles became obsolete not long after it was built.
Real-Life Reason: Because writers didn't like having to remember that restriction that came from one episode trying to make an environmental message. A lot of later TNG episodes didn't even remember that event.
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Did I see a Pacific 201 NX class as a long range colony vessel?
Those Pac 201 ships are considered canon in my book
more then 30 by the end of the dominion war the federation was cranking out more then 250 ships a year, maybe 30 ships a month
Still not enough compared to the exiled Furies Reclamation fleet(novels) which was 2/3 of population of the remnant Furies that has over some dozen thousand generational ships was going to the AQ the long way like Voyager from the DQ which would take over several decades. The other remaining 1/4 Furies population that was sent outside of the galaxy by Voyager in their worldships which includes over a dozen thousand ships would be returning to the galaxy at the edge of the Gamma Quadrant around the late 25th century. So Starfleet is still outnumbers by several times the total number of ships in the fleet by the time the Furies arrives at the AQ.
8:00 - My objection is that not all Federation members will give up their capital ships, nor would those same ships would be of lower quality.
A Member World that joins the Federation usually has less advanced Starships, so they really not giving up anything besides providing their current warp vessels for trade and logistics with the Federation Economic Network. Over time they would build there own more advanced Federation Tech Starships to contribute to Starfleet etc..
@@Xightly_Loopid_001 Based on what? I can understand a member world folding their capital ships into Starfleet, but, based on LDs, not all members will. And we're just assuming that a member world's capital ship is less advanced than Starfleet's? Member worlds have access to the same technology, especially the Vulcans, who still have their own fleet of ships (probably due to a bit of chauvinism). Now, independent contractors and civilians wouldn't have access to the latest advancements, I can understand. All I am saying is that we should take these things as a case-by-case basis. Yes, some members worlds would only have access to lower-tier vessels, if at all. However, I would suspect that not all member worlds would not only not readily give up their own fleet, but would join just to have access to more advanced technologies, and would only join the Federation for security purposes.
Still, I do like the breakdown in fleet dynamics. I just think that such a dynamic wouldn't be as straightforward as the video indicates. You know, exceptions to the rule, like the Vulcans being one the few member worlds with their own fleet of ships, but dedicated to science pursuits, leaving the security matters to Starfleet. I mean, heck, Spock was the first Vulcan to even serve in Starfleet, and he was considered to be the weirdo of his society until he came back home a celebrity, thanks to his time on the Enterprise. JMO.
@@dswynne Yes this could be a video in of itself.
I can see you've put a lot of work into this. But you need to focus on your sources and understand that a lot of the 'historical records' are not only questionable but sometimes gibberish. Would that the TV show writers had 1/10th of your interest in the composition of Starfleet, but let's face it they don't.
Overall I think the 80's and 90's Trek for the most part worked out together, despite some occasional inconsistencies that does not effect the Established Universes main layout and format on a large scale.
In the numbers 17”0”1 or year 24”0”4. It’s a number zero “0” not a letter “o” I’m not complaining just a pet pea of mine.
2:27 what is that?
There are probably shipyards etc that The Federation's isn't admitting to.
Cool vid. You must have to check the spelling of some words, like "expiermental" or "manevour" (this one's the weirdest of them all), or "memeber worlds (...)", "freightor", etc.. 😅
0:29 That map is all bassackwards! Andoria and Vulcan are close to each other and not on opposite sides of the Federation. Where did that map come from?!
So, according to the pic of all the starships at 3:43, the Nebula class has the exact same saucer as the Galaxy class. So why is the bridge design so different and so much smaller when it appears in an episode of DS9? Surely if externally deck 1 on both ships look identical the bridge size and design should also be identical. It doesn't make any logical sense for Starfleet to design a whole different bridge when it's more cost effective to reuse that which is already used. Otherwise why bother using the same saucer at all?
A better microphone would go a long way.
How are colony worlds going to operate a fleet of thousands and how are low quality ships going to patrol the federation? Also none of this information is cannon they called the enterprise d outdated yet they've got over two thousand outdated ships in service?
I seriously doubt the logic of orbital drydocks lined with replicator panels. Even the stuff that seems basic like the structural framework components or hull plating probably couldn't be replicated on vast industrial scales you would need to support starship construction. Y'all may not realize that feed lines to support structural integrity field system woven into structural framework and I think the hull plating also. As for hull plating components for shield grid also incorporated into each hull plate, you know the stuff that conducts and shapes the basic em field and heavy graviton particles that constitutes the shields. It would be more practical to mass manufacture them rather than replicate the stuff. It's cannon that something as large and complicated as a type 9 shuttle could be transported, but I don't that's something thats frequently done and was going to be implemented at that particular time for that particular situation. Those panels lining the drydocks are basically lights for the workers and also house the shields systems for the dock. It's been implied that hulls are built in enclosed orbital facilities until the hulls are complete enough for fitting out in a drydock facility. What replicators are more practical for is to process raw materials and refine them to more usable materials. This explains utopia planetia's placement at mars in order to take advantage of belt resources.
Doug Drexler put forward the 3D printer starship drydocks idea during his interview with Trekyards a couple years back. I would recommend watching that video, it's really good.
Intrepid class could hit 9.975 for 12 hours, other ships of the post-Wolf 359 fleet had warp 9.8 capabilities for 12 hours, including the Sovereign. Unless you're stating 9.9 is the sustainable cruising speed of the Neo-Connie, Gagarin-etc then your video doesn't hold up.
I don't know why they retire ships. It's not as though these future build materials wear away with age - it's duranium! Every starship should stay in service until it's either destroyed or damaged beyond repair. It's not as though money or resources is an issue in the 25th century (it's a universe with infinite energy, land, replicators and billions of people with nothing to do). It makes no sense that giant replicators aren't creating galaxy-class-sized ship after ship every second. Why aren't the giant replicators replicating other replicators? The universe should be filled with starships!
My assumption is when a Starship is retired from frontline service in Starfleet, it then serves in Federation support roles. The retirement likely is a ceremonial naval tradition honoring the crews who served onboard the ship. Also I don't think they would have the capacity to replicate and entire ship might be a bit complex on that large scale, but 3D printing would be easily within the tech range.
THIS IS THE GALACTIC MAP I DESIGNED ON ADOBE ILLUSTRATOR CS4 IN 2008, pls give me credit (tony lawlan) 1min 30 secs
It's highly inaccurate.
@@sebwilkins probably! i knew less then
You should be ashamed of your poorly made map then
yes im really ashamed that somethin i originally posted on FB 15 year ago is being used by other people now haha
@@keyboardt8276
You need better sound capture.
Yeah but Leland’s count includes stuff like shuttles frightens and small transports
this territory map of the Alpha & beta quadrants you use makes no sense. why are talaxians in the Alpha Quandrant? that species never was in the alpha quandrant. EVER. they exist in the Delta Quadrant all the way from the Edge of the Delta Quadrant by Kazon territory all the way too the near middle where Janeway dropped on Neelix, not too far from Borg space, two episodes prior too the finale.
I take it the majority of this vid is Beta Canon and your own imagination? Not a bad vid but the map images contradict each other, thats the prob with trek, book charts and canon charts don't always match up and then theirs the myriad of fan charts...we could def do with a proper one at some point thats continuously updated.
I haven´t heard of some of these ship types: Duderstadt? Sagan? Echelon? Wtf? Are these just STO ships that have been copied into Picard?
These Starships were in Picard Se2-Se3
@@Xightly_Loopid_001 And how do we know their classes name? As far as I remember know one introduced all of these new ship types. They are just random ships without any explanation.
@@jimbeam4736 They were designed by Doug Drexler and his team that gave names and specs for all the new ships.
@@Xightly_Loopid_001 Don´t get me wrong, I like most of those designs but... it´s just fandom. When a new ship (class) arrives in Star Trek, it is formally introduced by the main characters. They stand on the bridge looking at the "new kid" and say things like: "Wow, that´s the new USS blabla, yeah, it´s the new "meh" class. It can reach warp 99.69 and has more firepower than anything the Klingons and Romulans have...." Boom, now there is a new ship. What we don´t do in Star Trek is to just copy some fandom models on screen and assume that everyone who cares knows about them because they read some fan site.
@@jimbeam4736 Picard S2 canonized many Star Trek Online ships and the new Sagan Class Stargazer. S3 upped the anti and many ship classes beyond the Titan-A are named and spec'd based on external media released by the producers and designers. Doug Drexler especially is a primary source of behind the scenes info. Many slides of ship info. were made by the production team and shared after each new appearance first aired.
As soon as I heard you say Discovery I exited out of the video and blocked your channel. Discovery is not Star Trek you guys need to learn...
I like how the gagarin can still be found today solely because they found a few in a abandoned inoperable shipyard and just rolled with it and kept the design
These numbers sound a bit low. The current US Navy has about 280 ships, the Royal Navy is about 70 ships in 2024.
100k Ships in Starfleet would more reasonable. The UFP has trillions of inhabitants. In such a large economy the cost for even 250k ships is rounding error in GDP
The 15k Starships were in Starfleet and the Federation Fleets. I would guess there are more commercial vessels etc, that would add up to 100k total ships. Especially if you want to count warp capable shuttles & warp sleds...
Dude, you need to invest in a decent microphone, or like try not to eat it while you're talking or something.....
Don't waste your time on new Trek. It's ended up having to try to be like the 90's, 00's Trek but it still fails in every sense if you look past the candyfloss.
As a Star Trek author I can tell you a lot of your information here is 100% wrong! Besides that major fact, you’re also using many non-Established Star Trek Canon information and images meaning it’s not sanctioned by the owners of the Star Trek Franchise or Eugene Roddenberry Jr himself.
omg the VO is peaking and clipping so bad and it's soooo loud. i'm 6 seconds in and i can't take it anymore. Shame, i really wanted to watch this video
Yeah, it's very annoying. Bad microphone?
He also talks a bit too fast in my opinion.
It sounded okay for me, just turned the volume down a tad bit...
Star trek discovery isnt cannon.
Word
*canon
STD is cancer...🤬
Technically it is canon. Sometimes you just have to try and head canon your way through.
"TNG isn't canon". - TOS hardcore fan in 1980s
;)
star trek discovery and picard shouldnt be sources for anything star trek related because both series make absolutely no sense and have no continuity whatsoever with the other series. i mean comon discovery has mushroom drives and picards greatest enemy is INS. both those series made mockeries of star trek.
Sorry, but Star Trek has never cared about constancy. They would forget things they did two episodes later. Discover and Picard at least maintain a straight line when it comes to telling a story. All the others were insert villain/problem of the week then presented it never happened a week later.
I view them as other time-line star trek or just another universe like the mirror universe.
@@kadenarden1952load of crap. It’s only the new era of trek that don’t care kid
Actually just coping unbelievably hard
Like I will not sugar coat it some star trek "fans" have done the hardest coping I have ever seen in my life
@@doubt3430 give examples.