The Black Series is simply better. The turbo set up is better for the longer track compared to supercharged one which could suffer from heat soak. GTD didn’t do well on the straightaway that might indicate heat soak.
One thing to note, the AMG not only had worse track conditions, it also did its run in much cooler temperatures they did their lap in winter. Not ideal for Cup 2 R’s Mustang lap was done 20 degrees C AMG has plenty left on the table even if Ford did a re run, the AMG could do way more.
@@kikoelargento9905the thing is while the gt3rs is disappointing on some tracks except the nurburgring, the AMG is fast everywhere. One of the fastest cars at VIR, faster than the gt2rs MR at hockenheim, fastest car sport auto have tested at the nurburgring, everywhere it goes it's fast unlike the gt3rs so even though the Ford disappointed against the competition at the nurburgring here's hoping it's faster on more conventional tracks
The one way to put this issue to bed is, get both cars ready on a dry day, run them like 5 minutes apart, switch drivers and run them again 5 minutes apart. Same dry track, same track temp. If a driver has no bias towards a particular manufacturer, you can then draw more valid conclusions. Maybe even have the drivers do a few laps in each to get a feeling of how each car behaves at speed. Drivers have egos too, and each will want to get the best time possible without putting a car in the trees. Of course, all this might not happen due to cost, track scheduling, etc. Just my opinion. I would like to have either, and the Porsche too, i'm not a fanboy to a particular brand.
@@jamesdellaneve9005 GT3 RS is 3264 lbs and and Senna is 2886 lbs, with fluids. The Black Series weighs 3616 lbs, relatively heavy and it could probably be considerably faster with better conditions so it's reasonable to argue if the GTD was even within 200 of that it of that it could be incredibly fast. Considering what it did on a damp track it's hard to believe it could actually weigh 4000 lbs or more.
@ They don’t seem to have published the GTD weight. I’ve only seen two estimates. One thing is for sure. It’s driving like a heavy car with a big engine. Inertia is a cruel master.
Maybe they held back cause they want the Vette to come out and do their run and then come back in the spring after the ZR1 run and put down a better time? You do know all these companies have military strategic drops of info to make us want more I can pick up against each other!
Man imagine a c7 zr1 on cup 2Rs. It was within .25 seconds of the mercedes at VIR. I would think it would be very close. To bad GM let this one go and never went back and made another official attempt. This car hands down could go sub 7, and it's slept on. What a let down for a heck of a car.
The Nurburgring track isn’t comparable to any lap times anywhere. Cars that do well on other tracks that’s you expect to do good here, _don’t._ The C8 Z06 is very close to the GT3RS on other tracks but on the nurb, the best they got was like 7:10.
You are right that both cars run similar configuration of front engine, rear transaxle. The big difference is that the AMG has the engine moved as far back as possible. The cabin is also moved back so the weight of the driver is almost on the rear wheels which gives it a 50/50 weight distribution. The mustang is also over 300lb more than the amg.
both factory drivers, OBVIOUSLY merc had worse conditions so the car is the weak link. It's not that Dirk can't drive, the mustang is simply not as stable or capable on track.
@ and mustang’s just aren’t there yet and that’s understandable but people on here losing their minds that the $400k mustang just isn’t as good as the $225k GT3rs. Every excuse “we’ll mustang is heavier”. Ok. Make it lighter. “GT3rs is shorter wheelbase”. Ok. No knocking on the mustang, this is a new venture for them and they are at a price point that doesn’t alight with comparable models thry we’re trying to compete with. It’s new for them and them
@@chriswarner8696 conditions looked worse for the merc to me but can’t say for sure. But for $165k more the GTD doesn’t seem to hold up even if conditions were anything other than snow covered.
You're burning me and I'm guessing others out on these similar topics posted day after day. Dirk Muller goal was to run a Sub 7 minute lap without wrecking the Mustang GTD. He accomplished that goal. Ford just signed a new set of drivers for their factory GT3 race team. They signed Audi factory driver Frederic Vervisch who is a 2x winning driver at the 24 hours at the Nurburgring. It appears if another lap record attempt is made. It will likely be with a New Ford Performance factory GT3 driver.
I do believe they held back for 3 reasons, the (wet?) track, the driver even though we all know Mueller can drive, and possibly held back on purpose? All hypothetical cause I do believe the Porsche with the rear engine and the rear wheel steering is the reason of the corner speeds. That’s a no brainer! So why argue to argue!? Yes I want them both and one day we will have them! But patience my young Padawans! Lol! Enjoy what you have!
I asked for this not only because of the car configuration and closer horse power but specially because people kept crying about track conditions. If after this anyone dares to complain Im going to lose my shjt lol
Ford has spent a lifetime making fast straightline cars American muscle style for the general consumer aside from their GT40 and GT’s. The AMG project’s have always been way more advanced track focused with GT usability. Americans won’t out-engineer Germans ever in any market. Their culture is about making things actually better rather than learning to scream the loudest about being the best with absolutely no evidence like everything American.
@@snozbaries7652 it's not about euro vs america, there's a lot of respect for the Acr and what they managed on a crowdfunded visit to the nurburgring. The mustang just ain't it.
Speed Phenom Great Video I think it's awesome that the All New S650 Mustang GTD is a competitor of the AMG GT Black Series although I bet Mustang GTD could do even better on a dry surface
@@HellcatDreaminJosh Well according to Misha it was, look him up. He is a Nurburgring nerd, stands and films cars all day and even doing laps all days. I think he is more credible…
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The Black Series is simply better. The turbo set up is better for the longer track compared to supercharged one which could suffer from heat soak. GTD didn’t do well on the straightaway that might indicate heat soak.
One thing to note, the AMG not only had worse track conditions, it also did its run in much cooler temperatures they did their lap in winter. Not ideal for Cup 2 R’s Mustang lap was done 20 degrees C
AMG has plenty left on the table even if Ford did a re run, the AMG could do way more.
I like the GTD but it won't beat that Mercedes! The Mustang will be fast after further testing. Porsche and Mercedes are masters at this stuff
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It not casually that Germans brands are better at a German track...they set up and test daily 😂
@@kikoelargento9905the thing is while the gt3rs is disappointing on some tracks except the nurburgring, the AMG is fast everywhere. One of the fastest cars at VIR, faster than the gt2rs MR at hockenheim, fastest car sport auto have tested at the nurburgring, everywhere it goes it's fast unlike the gt3rs so even though the Ford disappointed against the competition at the nurburgring here's hoping it's faster on more conventional tracks
@@kikoelargento9905the Amg is fast everywhere. And will beat the GTD on straights too.
@kikoelargento9905 Hence the reason this due shouldn't even dear try to make a comparison between them.
@@Sidewinder5 then Ford shouldn't have even tried.
The one way to put this issue to bed is, get both cars ready on a dry day, run them like 5 minutes apart, switch drivers and run them again 5 minutes apart. Same dry track, same track temp. If a driver has no bias towards a particular manufacturer, you can then draw more valid conclusions. Maybe even have the drivers do a few laps in each to get a feeling of how each car behaves at speed. Drivers have egos too, and each will want to get the best time possible without putting a car in the trees. Of course, all this might not happen due to cost, track scheduling, etc. Just my opinion. I would like to have either, and the Porsche too, i'm not a fanboy to a particular brand.
Just have Misha Charoudin run them on the same day.
@@mtnman1984 Muricans would say he's biased towards German cars. Just refer the comments on his video calling Lamborghini out for the Performante lap.
@powerslider30477 I'm Murican. I don't.
@@mtnman1984 Can you guarantee that all muricans will act like you? No.
@powerslider30477 can you guarantee what you said is true? No.
Is this dude trying to compare the gtd to the amg??😮😮😮😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. Remember the amg record was set on literally a wet track!!!
The kid is just trying to glorify cars from the freedomland by making biased comparison with European exotics.
GTD is too heavy
Someone gets it!!! lol 😆
We don't even know how much it actually weighs lol
@ I’ve seen multiple estimates between 3,800 and 4,000. The Senna is 3,029. The Porsche GT3 is 3,040.
@@jamesdellaneve9005 GT3 RS is 3264 lbs and and Senna is 2886 lbs, with fluids. The Black Series weighs 3616 lbs, relatively heavy and it could probably be considerably faster with better conditions so it's reasonable to argue if the GTD was even within 200 of that it of that it could be incredibly fast. Considering what it did on a damp track it's hard to believe it could actually weigh 4000 lbs or more.
@ They don’t seem to have published the GTD weight. I’ve only seen two estimates. One thing is for sure. It’s driving like a heavy car with a big engine. Inertia is a cruel master.
Imagine the GT3RS was better in most every way on track than a mustang other than acceleration.
Isn't this typical? A muscle car just can't compete on a road track against exotics. Never happened before and won't happen anytime soon.
The Mercedes had just as bad road conditions, so people can stop using that excuse for the GTD
They ran it again in good weather and dropped 6 seconds
Wrong Justin
@@krisl2838Its the truth, and you can even see it on THIS exact video lmfao.
@@justincharles6585 Correction, Mercedes had worse conditions. They had a cold and damp track in the winter.
@@origaminefretami3480 What can be seen in the video?
Maybe they held back cause they want the Vette to come out and do their run and then come back in the spring after the ZR1 run and put down a better time? You do know all these companies have military strategic drops of info to make us want more I can pick up against each other!
I have been saying the same thing
They used the July lap, if they are about "holding back" and "waiting for the vette" why they came back in October?
@@ianmoone6562 because customers of the gtd wants the latime to convince them to buy the car. If you dont know the çar is not cheap
Why would they held back if they had the opportunity of setting a lap time that's out of reach for the vette?
Man imagine a c7 zr1 on cup 2Rs. It was within .25 seconds of the mercedes at VIR. I would think it would be very close. To bad GM let this one go and never went back and made another official attempt. This car hands down could go sub 7, and it's slept on. What a let down for a heck of a car.
The Nurburgring track isn’t comparable to any lap times anywhere. Cars that do well on other tracks that’s you expect to do good here, _don’t._ The C8 Z06 is very close to the GT3RS on other tracks but on the nurb, the best they got was like 7:10.
This type of content is what sports cars are about in the modern age.
It’s not a production car and it doesn’t have any more left in it
Moron🤣
You are right that both cars run similar configuration of front engine, rear transaxle. The big difference is that the AMG has the engine moved as far back as possible. The cabin is also moved back so the weight of the driver is almost on the rear wheels which gives it a 50/50 weight distribution. The mustang is also over 300lb more than the amg.
Keep these videos coming Austin!
Condition is not even close! GTD had much better dry surface.
American horsepowers are weaker than German Horsepowers😅😅😅😅
Always were, always will be.
The AMG just had a better driver and better conditions. Can’t blame the car for that
How so?
both factory drivers, OBVIOUSLY merc had worse conditions so the car is the weak link. It's not that Dirk can't drive, the mustang is simply not as stable or capable on track.
Dude, that's so strong copium you're smoking. Who's your dealer?
@ and mustang’s just aren’t there yet and that’s understandable but people on here losing their minds that the $400k mustang just isn’t as good as the $225k GT3rs. Every excuse “we’ll mustang is heavier”. Ok. Make it lighter. “GT3rs is shorter wheelbase”. Ok. No knocking on the mustang, this is a new venture for them and they are at a price point that doesn’t alight with comparable models thry we’re trying to compete with. It’s new for them and them
@@chriswarner8696 conditions looked worse for the merc to me but can’t say for sure. But for $165k more the GTD doesn’t seem to hold up even if conditions were anything other than snow covered.
You're burning me and I'm guessing others out on these similar topics posted day after day. Dirk Muller goal was to run a Sub 7 minute lap without wrecking the Mustang GTD. He accomplished that goal. Ford just signed a new set of drivers for their factory GT3 race team. They signed Audi factory driver Frederic Vervisch who is a 2x winning driver at the 24 hours at the Nurburgring. It appears if another lap record attempt is made. It will likely be with a New Ford Performance factory GT3 driver.
What tracks do we have in the United States that's even close to the Nuremberg ring?
Although not nearly as long I would say VIR
Road America is another one. Porsche set a lap time on such track.
San Antonio highways lmao
Yeah I bet!
The Ford only has one problem, it is TOO HEAVY!!!
Smooth is Fast
You telling me that Chinese EV Xiaomi SU7 Did better then Ford GTD. They finished 6 min 40 seconds.
I think Ford needs to get back to the nerbering green is quick as they can The more they linger on this the more it's going to hurt them
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I do believe they held back for 3 reasons, the (wet?) track, the driver even though we all know Mueller can drive, and possibly held back on purpose? All hypothetical cause I do believe the Porsche with the rear engine and the rear wheel steering is the reason of the corner speeds. That’s a no brainer! So why argue to argue!? Yes I want them both and one day we will have them! But patience my young Padawans! Lol! Enjoy what you have!
First reason isn't valid because the track was dry on the day and time of the lap, August 07, 2024 at around 7pm.
With the recent horsepower wars of the past several years, the idea of BALANCE has gone the wayside...
This was dumb as fuck. Cars have never been more balanced.
I asked for this not only because of the car configuration and closer horse power but specially because people kept crying about track conditions.
If after this anyone dares to complain Im going to lose my shjt lol
Ford has spent a lifetime making fast straightline cars American muscle style for the general consumer aside from their GT40 and GT’s. The AMG project’s have always been way more advanced track focused with GT usability. Americans won’t out-engineer Germans ever in any market. Their culture is about making things actually better rather than learning to scream the loudest about being the best with absolutely no evidence like everything American.
Look a European that's screaming the loudest in the comments. They must be scared of American cars becoming faster and faster.
Ever heard of Ford vs Ferrari
@@snozbaries7652 it's not about euro vs america, there's a lot of respect for the Acr and what they managed on a crowdfunded visit to the nurburgring.
The mustang just ain't it.
@ other than finding what did ford have to do with that car?
@ there’s an American response
Speed Phenom Great Video I think it's awesome that the All New S650 Mustang GTD is a competitor of the AMG GT Black Series although I bet Mustang GTD could do even better on a dry surface
Mustang GTD had a dry track.
It had dry track…..
@@Goat-vy2bi not according to Austin
@@HellcatDreaminJosh Well according to Misha it was, look him up. He is a Nurburgring nerd, stands and films cars all day and even doing laps all days. I think he is more credible…
@@Goat-vy2bi OK
GTD SUCKKKKKKKKKK