The Trial • S02E09 • TPN’s Angel Guide
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Passion of the Nerd reviews The Trial. From Angel, Season 2, Episode 9. Written by Doug Petrie and Tim Minear. Story by David Greenwalt Directed by Bruce Seth Green. Starring David Boreanaz as Angel. Charisma Carpenter as Cordelia Chase. Alexis Denisof as Wesley Wyndam-Pryce. And J. August Richards as Charles Gunn. And Julie Benz as Darla.
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Drusilla always walks into a scene like: this is mine now.
"Look at me, look at me, I'm the mom now."
she didn't walk into that scene, she glided in
7:55 Drusilla: I'm going to deliver the most portentous entrance at the end of an episode ever
Buffy s6e21 Giles: I'd like to test that theory.
Daddy’s home...
Nahhh, Drusilla wins hands down.
Nah the first time Spike drove into the Sunnydale sign in School Hard is the best entrance.
Nothing that happens on Buffy beats anything that happens on Angel. Over on Buffy, they're trying to recreate Buffy and Angel with everyone. And over on Angel, everything is original. For example Angel's background with Darla and Darla's character development
My favourite thing about the ending it's that it's Drusilla, Angel's creation, that keeps him from saving Darla at the end. And you can see in his eyes how aware he is of that. His old sins stripping him from the possibility of finding some kind of redemption for what he and Darla had done.
"Whenever Holland talks about morals..."
I think the creepiest thing is that he might actually mean it. He's clearly not devoid of human feeling. He's obviously attached to Lindsay. His admonishment about "healthy attachments outside of the office" is honestly good advice. He might have been able to convince himself that he has some morals left. And that's...honestly terrifyingly realistic.
He’s kinda like the Mayor from season 3 of Buffy in that way. Lawful evil?
I thought the juxtaposition of flavors was intentional. It goes from noir, to a fairytale story of the brave knight overcoming challenges to save his lady love, before punching you in the face with a reminder that this ain't no fairytale.
Exactly, hands down one of my favorite episodes and I'll just say that's why.
There might be vampire slayers in this universe, but Drusilla is the one who really slays in that entry scene
I absolutely adore the conversation between Angel and Darla in the motel, it really encapsulates why they’re my favourite relationship in the Buffyverse, there are just so many layers to their history and their feelings towards each other, every one of their interactions is charged with a different kind of emotion. And the gentleness before W&H bust in, when Darla accepts her fate and you can tell Angel is willing to stay with her to end end.
It reminded me of when Angel was trying to reach Faith after she accidentally killed the deputy mayor and he was making head way, then Wesley and his band of moron watchers barged in and kidnapped her saying the now famous line - "We know how to handle slayer like her."
Ha! Boy were they wrong. They really messed everything up that Angel had build with Faith up until that point. 🤦🏻♀️
Everything could have been different for Faith if they'd not interfered with what Angel was trying to doing.
Yes, I think it's so interesting because it isn't overtly romantic as most relationships like this are. They've never had the option to love each other. But something still kept them together for 150 years, and still keeps them coming back to each other. Something that transcends whatever they were to each other before. One of the tragedies at the end of the episode is that they again never got the chance to really figure out what they were to each other as two people who are capable of love.
I love it when reactors get to this episode.
"Hhmmm, lots going on, wait, the trials didn't work? Huh?"
Dru walks in: "AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!"
Same here. They’re always so stunned when dru appears it’s delightful to watch
Drusilla has been making an entrance since she first was on the show and continues to be one of my favorite characters because when she shows up, things get crazy!
This episode's ending was sad. Darla had accepted death then Wolfram and Hart bring Drusilla in to turn her back into a vampire.
Wow! An interesting thing you just made me realize....in essence, Darla actually gets to save her “soul” as it were. She is actually redeemed in essence as she went from CHOOSING to give up her soul to become a vamp, to choosing not to. In a religious sense, this would provide her with a completely different ending the the human afterlife.
@@mrs.schmenkman I just went into a philosophical spiral above about this. Darla's human soul was seemingly pulled from hell leading me to question if what she'd done in her life really deserved that or if her death at the hands of a vampire made that inevitable. (If the latter, that makes every death of a human by vampire a truly horrific tragedy that should be averted at all costs). By this logic, at the end of this episode when she's turned against her will, her soul would be released to a heavenly afterlife. So, Angel did save her in the end 😪
@@jaycievictory8461 Fun huh? Ya, I think choosing to give away your soul would definitely require some kind of effort to fix as opposed to being tricked or taken. But of course, its all my head-canon!
@The Fox Strikes They say having his soul in her body influences her. And the moment she gives birth she knows she won't be able to love him anymore. She's able to make that sacrifice cos she loves him with a selfless love. And she's only able to love selflessly cos of the influence of his soul. Like he's sharing her body, her blood, her oxygen, she's sharing his soul.
We're left unknowing what her fate is after staking herself. But Connor sees his mother later in a scene which suggests her human soul found rest/redemption.
The first time I watched this episode when Drusilla walked through the door I gasped so hard I nearly inhaled the furniture.
"MMMHHH JASMIN"
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH after all these years, I never noticed this. Holy cow.
They "be back before Dawn'd" us again!!!
Back when this first aired, I shouted at the TV - "That sounds very ominous."
Then when Jasmine popped up, I was like - "I knew it!" 😁
Oh my God, I never caught that!!! Oh, wow.
I don't think it's the same with this like with the Dawn-"Spoilers". If I remember correctly (it's been a while since I re-watched the whole Angel series), Fred and Jasmine (here still without a name) sit outside, and Jasmine "likes the smell of the flowers" - that's why they (Fred, Jasmin - the others?) decide to name her Jasmine. And more important, she already has a name, which must be hidden - or "kept"...
@@thalia7104 - It's more "foreshadowing" than it is "spoilers".
@@chrisrj9871 Ah, right, of course, thank you! 🤗
What I like in the end is kind of how symbolic it is that it is Dru that is turning Darla, in front of Angel. Angel clearly has been focusing on Darla, and trying to save her. Like if he could save the person who made him a monster, maybe then he could gain some redemption for the bad he had done. Then in walks in Drusilla, a living embodiment of the worst that Angelus is capable of, and destroys that chance to save Darla. Kind of showing that despite his efforts to be redeemed, it is always going to be just out of his reach.
The Darla episodes are among my very favourites in the whole of 'Angel', and like you, I often forget how much is packed into this particular one. Julie Benz's singing is an absolute highlight here, to the extent that I mentioned it in a tweet on my last rewatch, and she responded that she was a bundle of nerves when they came to shooting that scene. I don't think it shows at all, overcome by how she conveys Darla's desperate need for an answer.
And then there's that ending. Oh boy, are we in for a ride!
The way Darla looks at Angel while he's throwing a temper tantrum always gets me. She couldn't wait to get turned because having a soul and mortality was all downsides in her eyes. It was just like life as a vampire, except without any power and with a mountain of guilt plaguing her every day. But then she sees in Angel the thing having a soul has to offer: loving and being loved. No one had ever loved her that way, so why should she wanna stick around?
My favourite arc on the whole show. Julie Benz really sells every emotion and journey that Darla goes through this season, and that final scene might be one of the best in the Buffyverse... it's haunting.
This entrance is the most menacing scene I’ve seen from Drusilla. She’s legitimately scary, inevitable death at the mouth of a predator.
Finale of Season 2 was also pretty scary. Actually several times throughout season two. She's the Joker of this universe--all eyes on her all the time because you legitimately don't know what she's going to do next. And I love it. It's the role and performance of a lifetime. And the fact that Juliette Landau isn't a household name right now is just... frustrating.
@@tomswiftyphilo2504 I dunno - she was more comic relief in Buffy S2. It was surprising when she beat Kendra (an effective shock) but I didn't find it frightening.
@@kw7378a1 To me, the edge of sadism underneath the silliness was really disturbing. And especially towards the end when she starts torturing Giles. The ability to influence minds was a bit out-of-left-field but still the way she was able to use it was quite effective filmmaking, I thought.
@@tomswiftyphilo2504 Yes, and she definitely gives us a glimpse of what danger she could become when she arises from the flames, carrying an unconscious Spike in her arms.
@@thalia7104 loved that scene. Dru is maybe my favorite villain, except for that little thing in 2:21 or thereabouts she can read minds and hypnotize people, but then wait a minute that's too powerful let's never do that again.
I love her relationship with Spike so much. "...and beautiful dresses with beautiful girls in them"
'Life isn't motivated with any prosaic interest in who lives or dies. Life just is-it's people who imbue it with meaning.'
Beautifully put. ❤
The ending of this episode always breaks me. First time I saw it, I was yelling "No" at the screen in different volumes. I understand that the show isn't supposed to be fair but God Almighty, give Angel a break here.
We've got up to the sapphic Darsilla duet of episodes HELL YEAH
I learned from the Angel On Top podcast that Reunion is tagged as "lesbian vampires" on IMDB and that is my favourite new development
I think the first time I saw this I cried b/c of how hollow it made me feel, that after all that song and dance, was seemingly for nothing. And then the final scene at the end, driving home the pointless of Angel's efforts, kinda broke me. it wasn't till my 2nd viewing I saw many seeds were planted.
One of my favorite episodes of the season.
I need to give you specific props to the seamless dissolve from Cotton Club's to Darla's Ill Wind, with the blue curtains becoming the blue lighting. Excellent work.
Lorn was actually kind of right. It did kill Angel. At least as we knew him. All of it and the things that happened after turned him into someone else. it helped to forge him into at first a darker version of himself. Then ultimately, he became a better version of himself. And in the end, because he succeeded in the trial, a life was owed…
I never noticed how much foreshadowing this episode had until you pointed it out. I can’t wait to see your take on all the everything that’s about to happen.
Something that called my attention was Dru feeding Darla from a cut on her chest, same place where Darla cut herself to feed Liam (Angel). Dru was staring at Angel during the whole process. I think she somehow saw how Angelus was created, and in some ways she was creating him too.
or they just talked about it back when they were all evil.
The motel loophole was established in Buffy season 3, when it allowed Angel to get into Faith's motel room.
Angel could get into Faith's motel room cos she was still under 18 so technically it wasn't hers and Darla's rent was being paid by Wolfram and Hart so it wasn't hers.
I'd never picked up on that "I could be your mummy" bit until now. Interesting.
Neither did I! And I just watched that episode... how thick am I? hahaha
So, Buffy and Angel were very big shows in my childhood home. My Poppa (stepgrandfather) started watching the show with me and my Dad, which got my Gran to watch them too. Poppa passed away before either show ended, but Dad, Gran and I finished out the shows together. This video made me cry (not because of the video itself). This is the first episode guide to be posted since my Gran passed away a month ago on the first of April.
I understand. I cannot watch certain shows now for that reason. At least you still have your folks. Count yourself lucky😢.
The way they weave parallells in the buffyverse is just so exquisitely artistic. Love it.
Valet: My apologies for any discomfort this may be causing. I really can't imagine the pain.
Angel: How about we switch places and you won't have to, huh?
Valet: My death wouldn't balance a thing, sir. Yours, on the other hand...
Angel: I die, Darla lives.
Valet: Yes. I'm unaware of any deities the vampire worships but if you'd like to pray now would be the time.
Angel: What are you waiting for?
Valet: For you, sir. I can't proceed without your permission. You've earned a choice. Accept your death so that she may live or...
Angel: Or what?
Valet: Leave. Refuse the challenge and walk away. No one will stop you. Our doors are all open to you. You've done that yourself.
Angel: What about Darla?
Valet: Oh. She dies
Angel: No deal.
Valet: I expected as much. A pity. I'm beginning to like you.
Angel: Spare me.
Valet: I'd very much like to.
Do you mind if I ask you a question? Isn't the world a better place with you in it? You can save so many people. It seems she can barely save herself.
You know better than anyone the world can be a very bad place. Take yourself out, put her in and how long will it be before she stumbles, before she falls?
Angel: I don't know.
Valet: No, you don't. And are you still ready to give your life when she can promise you nothing?
Angel: Yes.
Valet: As you wish.
Dru foreshadowing the moment in this episode and proabably knew it was to happen because she's a seer
i honestly can’t wait for you to do commentary on reunion. i love that episode, mostly because of the return of drusilla and her new bond with her grandmummy/daughter 😭
Have you ever read/heard of "The Trial" by Kafka? When you were talking about possible reasons for the title of this episode I couldn't help but think of this novel. I don't know if the writers intended this, but considering the existential themes of "Angel" and the way this episode ends up this would be an interesting connection to make. Love your videos!
I’ve missed these.
Angel: Maybe it would be different. I mean, we don't know. Maybe, uh, because, you know, I have a soul if I did bite you...
Darla: No.
Angel: We don't what it would do to you.
Darla: Angel, I've seen it now. Everything you're going through. Everything you've gone through. I felt it. I felt how you care in a way no one's ever cared before. Not for me. That's all I need from you.
Angel: That's not enough.
Darla: It is
Angel: How could the Powers allow you to be brought back, dangle a second chance and take it away like this?
Darla: Maybe this is my second chance.
Angel: To die?
Darla: Yes. To die the way I was supposed to die in the first place.
Angel: I'm not going to leave you. Every moment you have left I'm gonna be by your side. You're never gonna be alone again.
😭
And the character from ATS season 5 is a different vampire
Darla's disease has been there throughout her entire vampire and then human life, it's not just the last 6 months, that's the whole point
I actually really liked this one, yes the trials didn't amount to anything, but Darla's final acceptance of her fate was ... The best.
Umm the trial was the whole reason Conner was born.
I always viewed "The Trial" as Darla's, not Angel's. It is set up as Angel's but it is really Darla's journey, from being terrified of dying to accepting her fate. Due to Angel's sacrifice Darla was saved. Her human soul is redeemed because she now understands sacrifice and heroism. She accepts her fate.
I’m watching Angel for the first time, and these guides are really helping me get through it with more appreciation, because it’s definitely not been as gripping as Buffy for me.
Same here, I’m currently a first time watcher on both these shows, I love them both but Angel is definitely getting higher points right now, it’s just…more mature or consequential, not that Buffy isn’t, it’s just different somehow
It’s so weird
The one thing I have wondered about this episode is that Angel was prepared to die for Darla and not be a soldier for the powers that be, but he didn't refuse this destiny to be with Buffy. So this way it seemed that he cared about Darla more than he did for Buffy or himself for that matter.
The Oracles' commentary implies that Angel becoming human directly ushered in the beginning of the apocalypse and Buffy's imminent death in the timeline that never was, especially since he didn't demand to be changed back or show signs of missing his superpowers until it was clear to him that the end was going to be coming very soon and that his transformation had ushered in this end. I think that might have been the tipping point, given his guilt complex. He can't deal with it being his fault. He can deal with not being there for the apocalypse but can't handle his absence being what *starts* the apocalypse.
...Or maybe he's just not thinking straight because he's been getting more and more erratic and desperate lately. I mean, he's apparently seriously considering biting Darla in the last scene. His judgement has clearly gone to shit in a way that it hadn't in I Will Remember You
@@Talisguy Like Buffy said there's always gonna be an apocalypse around the corner and especially since he knew he was going to play a major part in the next one it was strange that he would not care about it, his destiny and Buffy dying just to save Darla. It made I will remember you feel a bit meaningless, and it didnt resonate with Angel's treatment of Darla later in the series. But maybe really he was very confused during that part of his Journey.
I think the answer lies in Angel’s guilt and his inherent selflessness. He wasn’t able to take his reward and be with Buffy because he didn’t think he’d earned it.
But he is willing to lay down his life for someone who he believes can change and be better, and from his perspective is innocent. Then again, aren’t we all much harder on ourselves than on anyone else?
I find that decision of Angel’s in particular to be most human.
@@cognitivedissonance8406 Yeah, that makes sense. Angel puts the lives of others before his own interests. His guilt prevents him from finding happiness.
@The Fox Strikes
By that, do you mean when he states that being with Darla was true despair and thus did not cause him to lose his soul? Because that’s a man with no hope left for himself or anyone else, whereas Angel in this episode is still very hopeful of Darla’s redemption
I love how Dru tortures Angel by mirroring how he was turned with Darla in front of him.
I am still eagerly awaiting the breakdown for Buffy season 6.
I agree although I think it might take a couple years
“breakdown” is such an apt word for season 6
You and all of us :) Ian will get to it, in time. Lots of beautiful creations to enjoy in the meantime. If you find your eagerness growing to painful amounts, I suggest vigorously rewatching all of TPN's content to ease your discomfort. Or if you just have a Sunday off. Or a Tuesday night. Or yknow, got a long wait in line at the grocer's.
TL;DR TPN is a blessing and I love all of it ❤
Me tooooooooooo
Give it a couple years. I love that season too it's sorely underrated, warts and all.
Wow. Nice Jasmine reference. My mind is blown.
'The Trial' is the episode that sets up the rest of the series; Holtz, Connor and Jasmine (hell, even bigger chess moves by Wolfram & Hart). It all begins here... with a man-pire trying to save the woman he claims not to love but definitely does (actions speak louder than words). Whether it was intentional or not, for me... Angel's foreshadowing always felt more retroactive (like they planted random seeds and would cherry pick them as needed as they continued on) whereas Buffy's felt truly like setup for future (as in they where beholden to play out what they had seeded) storylines. It all still works seemlessly, sometimes more so... the A to B to C, is PERFECTION! And makes Angel feel complete from 'City Of...' to 'Not Fade Away' 🖤
except that I could do without the connor arc :)
@@tomswiftyphilo2504 😂
I like to think of Angel and Darla’s relationship in this episode akin to the relationship of a sponsor and their sponsee especially if you keep with the metaphor of Angel being a recovering alcoholic.
I actually went downstairs and made a plate of pancakes when I realised you'd uploaded - that's how excited I get by these videos now.
"Angel won a life, but whose?"
*cue Holtz reference*
Me, a dolt: ...WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!?! 🤯
"Pants wettingly captivating" is probably my favourite description of anything ever
This is my favorite episode of the show i love everything it covers and introduces
I absolutely love this episode and always have. That ending is just beyond perfect. Juliet Landau is only onscreen for what, maybe 2 minutes...and you just can't stop watching her glide across the room and turn Darla.
Great guide as usual I like that you made that connection about the life earned causing you know who also small detail but I find it interesting that Drusilla turns Darla the same way Darla turned Angel the next couple of Angel guides should be interesting what I find very fascinating how Angel was willing to give his life for Darla it totally matches with his character I think the reason he was willing to was 1 he wanted Darla to live 2 he saw hope for her future she could have a life the kind Angel isn't allowed to have she could have redemption something that Angel doesn't see for himself 3 Angel is despite what all his hater's seem to think selfless but what do you think his reasons where Ian anyways great insights as usual my man.
@The Fox Strikes That makes sense but I do still think there was a selfless component there it want's just for his own redemption. Plus I think he does legitimately cares about Darla but you do have a good point. Although I still think that Angel despite his shortcomings which we all have is a selfless character. Like giving up being human and a life with Buffy two things he's always wanted to protect her life and the life of others. Or giving up the shanshu something he's again always wanted to take down the circle of the black thorn. Or giving up Connor his own son so Connor could have a good life ect. Anyways
sorry for a somewhat late response :) Hope you've found this as interesting as I have and that I haven't been rambling to long.
Ayyy early for a rare PotN
I legit can't wait for you to do the next few episodes. What happens to Angel after this is some of my favorite parts of the series.
reason why season 2 is my favorite
As soon as you played Darla singing I had this thought of “the real reason Darla can’t be part of Team Angel”, which is obviously because she can actually sing well…
But as I wrote, I remembered Lorne and that doesn’t fit. Damn it, my joke doesn’t work🙃
I think these trials are whatever the characters imagine them to be. Angel was willing to go through a trial of faith, battle, pain, and sacrifice, so that's what the Guide made him do.
Oh I've been waiting for this one and once more, you did not disappoint. And I personally enjoyed Angel's and Darla's relationship a lot more Angel's and Buffy's, which I personally never liked asides from the actors' chemistry and found it rather overrated.
Never even noticed the structural oddities or Indiana Jones parallels until you pointed those out. Always learn something new from your videos.
The one dislike is from Wolfram and Hart
And now there are three dislikes - one from each of them! :D
May I suggest another appropriate ending to this video: life's not a song, life isn't bliss, life is just this; it's living
~Potential Spoilers~
I just realized that Darla's black dress in this episode looks very similar to funeral wear. It's almost like the one Buffy wears at the beginning of Season 6.
Gah! Ian! The juxtaposition in that last scene! The incest makes it even more scary and disturbing!
Though Dru's childlike insanity always make me really sad. I alway remember how terrified and desperate she was in the confessional and how Angelus will go on to to take everything from her one by one and only turn her once she's insane 🙈
You make me want to write a storyline for Dru’s soul becoming a major player in protection or saving mortal Humans
@@mrs.schmenkman Go for it! Only continue if you've seen s7 of Buffy!!
I've heard others theorise that Drusilla was a potential Slayer who was turned before she could be called and that's why she has visions like we've seen Buffy have. Maybe when Willow does her spell in s7 Drusilla is given the Slayer calling, too, and it becomes like her version of Spike's chip where she has something like a conscience/urge to save humanity and she starts her own Angel/Spike journey.
@@jaycievictory8461 ooooo 😯😯😯😯 thats rather good. I am thinking morr aling the lines that her soul is a separate being- existing at the same time but in a different realm and yet still affecting mortals in some ways. Kind of like that rat bastard, Sahjhan. ... but being Human means she would have to have some kind of special dispensation ... and because she was irreproachable and beyond virtuous she would certainly qualify. Many people believe in Guardian Angels so theres that as well
@The Fox Strikes ??
@The Fox Strikes I don't read the comics. Was curious, but no worries :)
the bits of dialogue in your Angel intro reminds me of the Homeland intro
God can't wait for the next few episode reviews.
I am still eagerly awaiting Buffy season 6 breakdown.
I love the inverted mirroring to Buffy and Angel's relationship
The whole hotels don't count thing was set up in Buffy season 3. Faith was living in a hotel and a vampire was able to enter her room.
I like your point about how mortality doesn’t care. I know most of you who watch these are not religious or Christian. However as a Christian one of my favorite sayings is:
God doesn’t give us what we can handle,
He helps us handle what we are given.
So many people think that God is somehow controlling every aspect of life, which is ridiculous if you look at it fully. Rather, we are out here in a trial and the truth is he doesn’t care what we do. He cares what we _become_ . Which means what we do is important only because of where it leads us in the end. So, when advice is provided to us, its not to control us, but it actually frees us from the results of making unwise decisions. In essence, making us free to be happy and enjoy the fruits of a good life.
Fellow Christian here, hi! 👋
Thank you for saying this. I agree that the thought of God wanting to control us is wrong. I think of Him more like a parent. He guides us and wants us to make good choices, but loves us regardless of what we do.
@@JeannieBeanie357 🙏
excellent
Nice shot of Dru walking into room 212; all one digit up from 'Room 101'. This is Darla's second chance after all 😉
Angel having to watch Dru turn Darla, this consequence of his past that only happened because Darla turned him so long ago, this idea of vampires as once victims, and how seeing someone you love go through something traumatic is in some ways worse than experiencing it yourself -- Angel is so helpless here, and after an episode of being a Big Damn Hero for Darla (and failing) that stings twice over. That final scene is almost hard to watch but so, SO good.
So happy!! Thank you for another wonderful breakdown!
Wow thank you so much for making the connection between the "life given" and Connor - I wish the show would have had the sense to reference it back when the time came to explain how and why he came to be
they explain it in season 4 episode 18
@@imbatman8472 They do??? Darn. I did not want to relive season 4... but it seems I am do for a rewatch..
Oooh baby I've been waiting for this
ooh nice! love this episode
I remember losing my shit when Drusilla walked in!!!! So epic.
One of my favorite eps and imo, o e of the best in the series. It reflects how far both characters have cone so far, especially Darla by going through what Angel experienced after being re-ensouled. Even better, is that they had a relationship and deep connection that never truly went away. It's like two exes that come back together through fate, they don't date again but still know and understand eachother and given Angel's duty, he'll do what he can to save Darla.
Allow me to politely disagree. It was pure genius from beginning to end. Even with different arcs to the episode, there is momentum and flow that I just love 💕
That's so interesting, Ian! I never considered that. Do you think Wolfram and Hart used the outcome of the trial to buy back Holt's life? Is the win transferrable like that? And if they need that to bring him back, what did they use to bring back Darla? Or are different powers involved since Holt was a human and Darla a.... Well, actually, she was a human too, come to think of it! They trick us in the premiere into think she's back as a demon.
*Spoilers for s6 of Buffy*
So the "essence" they pulled out of hell was her soul presumably? Which they put back in her body a la Buffy. Giles did say there are other ppl who could do what Willow did but you wouldn't want to meet them. Man, the parallels between Buffy and Darla really come constantly! Except inverted as you say. Buffy's soul is snatched from heaven, Darla's from hell. I guess suggesting Darla was a "bad" enough human to go there. OR do all human bodies that get taken over by demon have their souls automatically go to hell? That seems deeply unfair.
I always wondered where Liam's soul was pulled from each time the curse takes effect.
Great. Now I'm going to have thoughts all day. 😅
I’ve had that thought too of whether all people who are taken over by demons, like vampires, go to hell automatically. If it is a soul that offers us a chance at heaven, then people without souls can’t be part of heaven. Or do their souls go to like a purgatory waiting for the rest of them? Or do the souls just go to heaven or hell and the vampire is a more separate entity, like it kinda suggests in Lie to Me. Also, are they damned to hell because they chose to be a vampire? They chose to let a demon take them over, thereby accepting an eventual end in hell. What if people don’t get a choice and are turned? They don’t often know what they’re getting into, or are forced into it, like the girl in “School Hard”, who got kidnapped & turned into a vampire by Spike and Dru.
@@Cristina5753 I think in most cases humans who are turned don't understand what they're getting into. Angel even says something about how you're too weak to resist. Bendy thoughts!
SPOILER FOR SEASON 4
Vamp Marv is so accurate I couldn't stop laughing.
The way Angel treats Lindsay's feelings for Darla when compared to Angelus's taunting is exactly why I think people have a hard time discussing Angel and Angelus separate personalities and why it becomes such a complex issue to talk about.
I like the closeup of Darla singing over the framed shot with Lorne and Angel, at least when it comes to a still shot. But I love that the director pushed in on her from the framed shot.
The Indiana Jones references in Angel never bothered me because even Angelus takes note and asks Wesley why at one point in S4.
I love the surprise ending in this episode. Never seen anyone whose guessed what is going to happen ahead of time.
I find it interesting that people talk about how many writers some episodes have sometimes as when an episode is being broken down before the script is written, all writers are in on it as a group, so while one to five writers usually handle scripts depending on the episode, every writer handles it in terms of breaking an episode down.
It's public accommodations for motel/hotels, as long as its occupants don't consider it their home. Fred considered her room at the Hyperion her place and Angel had to be invited in. I always assumed it was who lived there, not who owned it that mattered.
If you look at the parallels at Buffy and Darla, Bangel becomes even more disturbing because in some ways even Angel probably doesn't realize why his attraction to Buffy was so instant.
I don't think the real problem is Angel having an obsession with Darla that began when she showed up this season. I think its more about the guilt he felt about killing his sire back in BtVS S1 and how he never really dealt with it to the point of truly forgiving himself. On top of issues going into flashback time-periods; that's a lot of guilt. It's something Wesley, Cordelia and Gunn refuse to try to understand, even if the could understand.
I’m curious...what do you infer from that comparison between Angel taunting Lindsey and Angelus taunting Xander? You think he’s wrong when he claims that he wasn’t capable of having feelings when he didn’t have a soul?
@@yeshv1989 Ian and myself are both inferring that Angel and Angelus both have the same attitudes in those situations and that they are both more similar than lots of people wish to think. I wasn't saying Angel has no feelings, just that the difference between them isn't always opposite as some believe just because Angel has a soul and Angelus doesn't.
@@Buffy8Fan I thought the same too. I’ve always thought that the reason they seem so distinct is because Angel feels so guilty for his crimes as Angelus, that his guilt and shame have repressed his actual personality, resulting in the broody and morose person we’ve all come to know him as.
In fact, one of my pet theories as to why the judge couldn’t burn Angelus back in season 2 of Btvs wasn’t because he didn’t have feelings for Buffy, but that his feelings no longer resembled anything human; leaving behind only the lust, obsession and a need to dominate and possess the person you have “feelings” for.
Commenting for the alligator rhythm 💖
Alligator rhythm 🤣
"pants wettingly captivating" 😂😂
Angel: Do you love her Lindsey?
Xander: Dont you?
Something I recently thought of while rewatching your videos, I'm so sorry you're gonna have to make a deep analysis of Connor's episodes.
Good luck with THAT one, holy shit.
WAIT WHAT THEY ACTUALLY FORESHADOWED JASMINE THIS EARLY?!
Dru mentioned night blooming jasmine back when Spike was in a wheelchair
This is so awesome i love Angel!
Thank you for this!!!
Awesome video.
So excited for this video! Favourite episode of Angel! 😍😁
YOU help imbue with meaning Ian!!! I loved this episode and again your take on this! I felt it made sense that Angel lost the trial, because every character that episode also where facing that similar issues, lots off loss, and their different contexts revolved around the taking and attempted giving off life. I also wonder, if their was a life maybe given, not to Darla but maybe it could be also something else to do with Conner coming to life? that may be a stretch, but either way thankyou for your content again!!! - Peach :)
I can’t wait to hear your thoughts on the finale
Haha me too, but that's a loong time in coming
The thing I liked about this episode is the acting from Julie Benz and this right here explains why I preferred Darla in Angel then in Buffy the vampire slayer.
so bizarre i watched this for the first time in 15 years the other day
I dunno why but Ian's FOR NOW about Lindsay's hair made me lose it
It does get insane later on 😅
I've been making RUclips videos and have been having some success, but every time I watch PotN, I am made to realize how terrible my writing is.
I love these.
Great video. I must rewatch.
hey now, I happen to love long floppy hair. it is the superior hair.
I prefer the floppy hair too 😉
I don't know why, but the Valet character in this episode is always the first thing I think of when its mentioned... and this exchange:
Angel: Spare me.
Valet: I'd very much like to.
He maybe has 10 minutes of screen time, but it always seemed to me like he had a massive and interesting backstory they never explored... it takes talent to make one off characters feel so fleshed out like that.
"Breaks up Darla's bottom." That was a chef's kiss moment for me. This video is great.
You literally connected the dots for me about how connor was possible in one sentence and I’m so mad I never thought about this before. A lightbulb moment for sure
did you even watch the show
@@imbatman8472i was on the show afew times and never realized that!
7:07 I always wondered if Angel winning the trial was what allowed Darla to still conceive even after being re-vamped. The life Angel fought for was brought about, just not the way he expected...
+At the 2:04 mark? Ooooh, boy indeed. Holtz is easily my favorite Buffyverse villain not only as a character in his own right but because of what he *represents* in the whole series, what he embodies ethically, morally and philosophically for Angel and his quest for redemption and having him been Name-Dropped so early on is always a neat thing to notice to rewatches
Yes, that Drusilla entrance is absolutely amazing. Great video as always. I have the same feeling about the episode being both awesome and disjointed. I had never realized, or checked, that so many people had writing credits. That does probably explain both why it's a little disconnected but also why each scene is so good.
Oooh love the scene when Dru enters. So chilling and awesome. And the parallel you added at the end *chefs kiss*