D2 is it good for you, the power of stropping and the effects on the service life of your edge.
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Steel Will D2 mini Cut Jack strop experiment. How long can an edge last on D2, well mediocre D2. In this experiment I'll sharpen this knife once at 15 dps. I'll then maintain the edge using only strops. This is part 1 of this experiment where the D2 will be treated to normal work use and maintained using 16 um cbn from Bark River and 6 um DMT dia-paste. Just how long will it go? That's what I'm going to find out.
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I prefer D2! Sturdy, versatile, easy to sharpen, and long lasting!
I dont mind d2 it works great for me, but i like you stropp after use, with any steel even if I didnt use it much I just do a couple passes atleast. I found through the testing that, these steals do great, but they dont line up in the order that I thought they did with edge retention. Thanks for the video bud. 👍
You're welcome and exactly what you said. The steels dont line up as we are told from a marketing stand point.
I just received my Civivi Elementum Fixed in D2. Factory edge was beautifully ground, but not really sharp. Difficult to open an envelope. I spent a great deal of time on my 30 y.o. HandAmericanMade mahogany and veg tanned leather strop. I used 2.5 micron SiC dry hone powder on the roughout side followed by finish stropping on the smooth side with nothing on it. Edge now shaves AND still looks like the factory edge. I saw a recent interview with Dr. Larrin Thomas, the Magnacut inventor, discussing different blade steels. He said D2 performs better with a 20-25 degree per side angle than with a 15-19 degree per side edge. That's why I decided to strop it sharp instead of re-profiling the edge on my KME. Thanks for this video.
Awesome video
That is pretty good for D2. This is a great experiment. Bring on the Maxamet! Thank you for these videos. Real use testing is always great to see.
You're welcome and thank you.
Great demo and just why I love d2. And stropping. Atb paddy 👍☘️😀
Thanks Paddy
just ran same cut jack over my old hickory steel then stropped with unknown white compound. I've only opened potato chip bags with it. good video got me to do something.
Thank you
D2 is a legend! Still a great choice for edc!
I'm in the some D2 is ok boat, lots if it I don't care for.
I use my s30v 940 everyday like this and I've only actually used my stones on it twice in the last year.
I strop it every couple days with 1 micron dmt paste on a random piece of leather and it comes back to a good paper cutting working edge for months. I like shaving sharp like the next guy but people over sharpen their knives for no reason. The first month of use it usually comes back shaving after stropping but after that period of time, If I can blow through cardboard and plastic in everyday task it's good enough.
I agree, I may do a video about my S30V Freek. I've kept it going for months now and its almost ready to be sharpened again.
@@Outpost_76 that would be cool too. I think people are underestimating things, or not using the right products, for example, diamond paste for high carbide steels. I can strop S30V for instance with green compound on leather and it does almost nothing but strop it with some diamond paste, boom, back to hair shaving, and like you know, will continue to come back for some time. So maybe that's a reason people think they need to keep sharpening because what they're used to using for simpler steels isn't working.
Hey Gerald
Another interesting test, and I enjoyed your vid man. Steel Will's mini cutjack is literally the knife that broke me from China D2. I actually liked the design so much, that I purchased a second one thinking my 1st one missed a heat treat, as it was a trashed apex by noon one a busy day, even after many sharpenings it did not improve. The second one was not much better.
Now if Steel Will offered that knife in "budget" steel like 12c27 or AUS 8, I'd still have it. Some of the Steel Will designs are great, (like the Modus) and of course the Italian models. If they used better steel like Cruwear in that mini cutjack, I'd pay 100.00 no problem. I love the mini cutjack design for EDC.
Steel will needs to move away from D2 and M390 (too expensive, ho-humm HT). I think their latest offering is in s35vn.
But I'll be following to see how far your cutjack goes. Its been impressive so far, my guess is you are a WAAYYYYY better sharpener than I am 😀
Thank you, what you use to strop and maintain makes a big difference in the service life of an edge. I would like to see them move away from D2 and M390 also. I may continue the D2 this week and then move to the Maxamet.
Love these videos brother! Puts into perspective how long a edge will actually last once you get the edge finish and the geometry where you want it. Thanks for sharing brother!
You're welcome and thank you.
I've got a mini crooked River in D2 that really performs great .
My 551 in D2 does well.
Very interesting. Now if I can only get better and more consistent at stropping like you are I’ll basically never have to worry about actually sharpening another knife. Ha. Practice makes perfect I guess. Great video brother. 👍
I can do a video about stropping, there is an easy way to make sure you have a good angle when you strop. Once you figure it out it becomes easy to know when you aren't keeping the angle you should.
Outpost 76 Man, that would be great. I’ll definitely keep an eye out for it. Thanks brother.
I can testify that the Cut Jack knife is a very sharp knife. We must take into consideration that this knife is not from what little I know about knives the best knife by far. I bought the Cut Jack in order to increase my knife collection. I knew it was new but still went and used the Sharpal to improve the sharpness. Then I must admit that blade is like a razor! Will it do what you did ? I don't know? Buy a Sharpal then redo the test!
Good info Gerald... thanks!
You're welcome and thank you
I love my D2 steel for the same reasons it's definitely easier to maintain than my 20CV
G good video!! It will be interesting to see how long the D2 lasts!! I’m really looking forward to seeing your video on maxamet!!!!!! Thanks for sharing brother!!!👊👊
Thank you and I'll be doing Maxamet very soon.
Good video, I am very curious about the Maxamet. Looking forward to your video when it comes around.
Thank you and Maxamet will be very soon.
NOT BAD... i like D2 in general... its kind of a mystery steel... varies a lot but most of the time its good stuff.. i say that is good enough performance... i think the knife did well over all
I totally understand what you're doing , but for me it's just easier to throw my knife on my Edge Pro every couple of days and hit it with a 1,000 grit stone , it'll take out any little burrs on the blade. I know not everyone can have an EP sitting in the corner , ready to go , but it's great if you can .
I'm one to usually hit a strop a few times then go back for a new sharpening. Long term stropping is something I've been working on with a few knives for a couple years now. That being said I still have knives I like to keep fresh.
D2 is a great beater steel! I feel it brings a lot to the table for the price you pay. I use this steel for the tasks I want to spare my other steels from. Haha
That Sanrenmu 12c27 is done and coming soon.
@@Outpost_76 I'm armed with patience 😅
But I had an idea I believe would be very valuable to all of us. And that is a PP$ factor. Performance Per $dollar. One of the videos I would love to see the most is on this very subject. What are top 5 PP$ edge retention knives on the market? Would love to hear on this subject from you, Steve and Pete.
Also will there be anything on manly s90v/cpm154? I picked up a wasp in s90v and patriot in cpm154 so curious. Seems like 12c27 wasp outcut the s90v one when steve was testing.. wonder if it was a burnt edge issue... Thanks a bunch! Love your content!
Interesting video Show more videos like this lot to learn . 👍
Thank you and I have a few more of these I haven't shared yet.
That 15dps makes a huge difference
That it does
Very interesting, got my first SOG stout sj today and it’s already than my Boker with 440c, interested to see how long it lasts.
Also, looks like I need to adjust my strop technique slightly. Nice one.
I liked this format..I like the edge retention tests, but it's nice to get a break too. Great video!
I swear by my strops. I strop at the end of the day even after light use, just less passes, or maybe just a couple swipes on my 1 micron to put that "sticky edge" back on it. Eventually you will have to put metal to stone as you develop chips, but you can go a pretty long time without it, and some steels respond better to stropping than others. Which brings me to this..when you do that Maxamet testing...how does IT respond to stropping? My guess is it may not respond quite as easily as that D2, but that is just guess, lol.
Thanks G
I'll be doing more of these and I'll cover Maxamet when I do it soon.
Right on man. Thanks for the video, Gerald! The power of stripping is real! 🍻
You're welcome and it absolutely is.
My cutjack mini has developed lock rock would disassembly and reassembly possibly fix that
Its possible that taking it apart, cleaning and rotating the stop pin may help.
Awesome video, Sir. Thanks for sharing. But may I know is D2 steel can sharpen by sandpaper? I've ever heard that it's hard steel to sharpen.
I'm sure you could use sand paper to sharpen it. This sounds like it would make for a good video so I'll try and get it up soon.
@@Outpost_76 thank you, Sir. I would be glad to watch ur next sharpening d2 video
I'd love for you to test any of the new D2 lineup from SOG. They just put out new models of the Trident, Aegis, and Flash, and if the D2 is well handled (by production standards), I'd be really interested in them.
I have a Terminus I'll be running soon. It's the same D2 they are putting on the new redesigns.
D2 is great steel.
I love D2. My TwoSun TS64 kept a sharp factory edge for an entire year with only a ceramic honing rod and leather strop. I have sliced miles of cardboard with it and it just keeps on cutting.
Hawaii Knife And Gear Just was thinking about using a ceramic and where it fits in with the edge maintenance schedule.
If you dont need hair popping sharp, just using a ceramic rod will keep it cutting for a long time. It gives a smoother edge, but will still slice cardboard effortlessly. My knife is very thin behind the edge which helps, with the rod only you don't have a hair popping wire edge, but will still slice paper no problem. This is just what I've found on my D2 blades.
Hawaii Knife And Gear Thanks mate. I have the Spyderco UF stone and a field sharpener with a rod. I’ve noticed the polishing effect of the Spyderco. And I remember a Cliff Stamp hypothesis, that very light pressure on a ceramic increased edge retention. Not time efficient bc it was many, many strokes.
I kinda forgot about using the ceramic, just tended to go to the strops. I’ll give it a go.
Mahalo!
Yes, that is precisely how I would describe the edge would be "polished" rather than truly "sharp". Laying the blade at the flattest angle possible without actually having it touch the rod to the spine of the knife. I would do this every few days, but never need to actually sharpen it. A few weeks ago I did finally break down and re-apex the edge back to hair popping sharp on the diamond stones, and it stayed that way for a few weeks, and stropping only would bring it back each time after a few days of heavy cardboard cutting.
Looking at getting a Boker Plus Strike auto at some point but they offer different steel options now in D2 and S30V. I've never owned a knife in D2 but have several in S30V. I know that heat treatment is a major factor in knife steel and I hear S30V can chip. So not sure which one I should get. I wonder how Boker's D2 and S30V compare to others.
S30V done well isn't a chip prone steel. I've never tried Boker S30V or D2 but having an option I'd skip the D2. I'm not even a fan of well done D2, too many other steels that just work better for me.
So if you were a casual cutter. Stropping alone could maintain it for months. This is why i like vg10. Same thing in terms of stropability
Yes, for light use you can extend edge life for a very long time.
Just commenting for engagement
We want that maxamet!!! :D
It's coming very soon
Cutting thick printer paper is not something that will show a sharp knife as even a dull knife will slice it pretty cleanly but with some little hangup.... Use news paper or phone book paper.
I don't see the need to keep reversing blade sides on every stroke when you're stropping your knife.
Would a slight convex edge help with the roll? I have the same knife an it seemed pretty easy to ding up before I ran a convex on it
That I don't know as I've not tried a convex on any D2.
@@Outpost_76 it's worth a try, seems to do better, works on my Moras too, a little skandivex helps out the weaker steels. Unless you only do wood carving it seems to makes the edge a little less susceptible to rolls. Now if only we knew some one who might put that to the test 🤔
Is your thumb ok?
i more worried about food prep with D2. I have 2 dedicated warehouse knives that look like crap but do the job that i need them to. with that being said will D2 hold up to food prep?
robert reyes it rusts easily but it should hold the edge just fine. Make sure you oil it after every use tho
Aa long as you clean and dry it after use I don't see it becoming an issue. You did give me a good idea to dedicate a D2 blade for food use and see how it does. I know the old hickory 1095 I have does stain so D2 will be a good real use experiment.
@@Outpost_76 please do it. I want to see what will happen before I ruin a knife. Lol.
And what u need to be using is a MICRO BEVEL!!! if your using a knife for work micros are your best friend. They make most steel super super steels. If u threw a micro stropping would work all month
That may be something I try again at some point. I'm not much for micro bevels but I am willing to give it a try again and see how it goes.
@@Outpost_76 awsome. I think that's the real performance trick no 1 ever talks about. Besides cliff stamp. And I've found that it works. And if your a blue collar user micros are the best thing in the would 1 tenth the time to touch up or strop up.
@@dombond6515 its something I'll revisit.
Save time and learn how to power strop using your battery powered drill and a leather wheel. You wont go back
any problems with rust and corrosion?
That depends on the Individual D2, this knife has been fine. I've had some other D2 that has either spotted or developed rust.
Am I the only idiot who has been using a utility knife with replaceable blades?
I see in the description you said this is mediocre D2 in your opinion what brand uses a good D2 ?
I like the the format of this video. Nice change from the standard cut test. Brings back my faith in d2. If u need a different d2 knife I am sure I have a few
@@mike102069 I like the format too ! And nahh I'm not particularly looking for anything in D2 at the moment just saw in the description where he said this was mediocre D2 was just wondering what brands he'd suggest for a good D2 that's all .
I have only d2 from ganzo so far, and I can say good things about it. Love the high hrc 62ish.. but seemes to me just like in outpost76 findings that it took a few sharpenings to get max potential out of this particular one.
Oh yes and a big YEAH for maxamet, but after srm 12c27 😂
@@bele28 I like Ganzo's D2 as well . Matter of fact I can't recall any D2 that I've personally owned that wasn't satisfactory idk if I've just been lucky but it's been good to me so far . I'm interested in maxamet also but idk if I'll ever buy any bc from what I hear when you finally do get it dull sharpening is a B word lol and I'm a newby in the sharpening game !
@@OsamaBinDarrel ganzos seem to be one of the best so far, I believe
I've only had my d2 knife for a day and I found rust on it how do I keep that from happening?
Use edci, mineral oil or any other corrosion inhibitor and that will take care of it. You'll have to keep up with it.
@@Outpost_76 ok thanks alot man!!!
@@Outpost_76 the knife im trying to maintain is the kubey 237 folding knife its really good looking and is cheap in price and it uses d2 steel.
Oil.
So much bullshit on here about knives and sharpening, if it cuts its sharp enough, if it don’t cut its blunt