how? steinway bass is always a muffled sound no vibration like yamaha or bosendorfer. steinways sound awesome but not in their bass their bass sounds like they have a pillow over it .
@@2010frankiegI think it’s great when Pounded playing is applied. NOT for Fast, Repetitive playing where no one can distinguish and clarify the Muddy sounds 😂
I'm not sure as you placed the Yamaha in front of the Steinway so the Yamaha projects somewhat more. They're both fine pianos. So, whichever you choose is fine and may just depend on action, responsiveness, tone control, pedal feel, etc.
We get to hear the reverberant Hall in good measure... yes the Steinway suffers a little being so far back. Both Beautiful Pianos they sound pretty much as they always do.
0:46 Medtner Fairy Tale - Yamaha CFX 1:54 Medtner Fairy Tale - Steinway Model D 3:06 Prokofiev sonata no. 5 - Yamaha CFX 5:34 Prokofiev sonata no. 5 - Steinway Model D 7:55 Beethoven candenza - Yamaha CFX 9:43 Beethoven candenza - Steinway Model D
Great playing! I definitely think your playing has more color and dynamic presence in your finger voicing to present with that Steinway, but whatever you choose, your performance will be excellent because you are PREPARED. Nothing matters but what you leave on the stage and in the hall for an actual audience. Good work and keep on going!
The Yamaha had a more consistent sound through all of its keys. The Steinway sounds like three different instruments in its base, middle, and upper sections. I like the middle range of the Steinway, but it is a bit more confusing than the Yamaha when the song includes the whole set of keys.
I think the problem is with the camera and piano placement. We got direct projection from yamaha, and it staturated the camera mic. but steinway is blocked from direct projection, so the bass is more picked up by the camera.
This is not a criticism, but an observation. It's an interesting experiment, and worth repeating, where each piano is recorded separately with close micing as well as room mics. You are likely to find the tonal qualities of each piano are more readily discernible in detail and the differences between the instruments easier to hear. Achieving an ideal sound from either piano is more likely once the details of where to place the mics for each different instrument is determined, thus bringing out the beauty of each one in a natural way which befits the particular character of each instrument - a bit like the way one adjusts to play differently on each piano as a player.
She’s choosing which piano to play. How you mic the piano is of no concern to the player. She’s looking for feel, touch and how it sounds through her own ears as she plays the pieces, not a microphone.
Ok so first thing I noticed here is you are indeed a pianist. Second thing nice pianos; third thing I have abound as nice of headphones as you can get it is hard to tell from the video which is “better”. 4th thing is I clicked for great title…good idea for a video and great way to get subs. 5th yes I did sub. 6th thing have a nice day, Ysukushi, cool name. Oh yeah, I grew up playing a Yamaha Grand piano no cfx for sure. I going to say Yamaha I mean let’s hand it to the Japanese for making some great pianos….Steinway can’t win every time. Which one did you decide on? Edit :She went with Steinway Ha. In my opinion I would have decided based on preference of action for recital. Which I will now watch.
I am a Steinway fan boy, whenever I hear comparisons, it is Steinway Yamaha makes a great piano as well as electric pianos. Someone mentioned Fazioli which are great pianos but have to much resonance from other strings so does not sound as sharp, almost rumbles for me on the low end, just my opinion, notes are not separated and sharp. Your playing was brilliant, brava
@@vasilikonstan exactly thats true! Its a pitty that this recording is is made with just one mic at the cameera. Lowtech comparison. The play is very good, but the sound recording is like a homevideo recording.
For me, the mic-ing of the pianos seems stationary and thus the Yamaha sounds louder and brighter and I think the voicing of the Yamaha needs a bit of work to make this a more fair comparison. Then there is the placement of the two instruments. This placement I find problematic and does not lend itself to fairly comparing the sound of each piano. That is the trouble with these types of comparison videos. Each instrument is a fine example of the craftsmanship of there makers. When listening I turn down the volume when the Yamaha is played and the difference between the two sounds becomes barley distinguishable.
It's a Hamburg Steinway D (rounded corners on the 2 arms, NY Steinways have sharp corners). Hamburg & NY Steinways are very different. The Yamaha is the latest, with straight legs. Hard to tell the sound difference, I tried it on PC speakers, phone ear buds, TV speakers, and TV through stereo system speakers, maybe it's my ears. If blindfolded, I cannot tell which is which. Drawing a conclusion on the sound from a youtube recording is rather silly. Also: touch, responsive action, easy or hard to play, etc etc, are just as important, only if you are lucky enough to get these 2 pianos together and play them yourself. However, nice try, and quite interesting. Enjoyed it.
You need to compare the instruments when they are new. Is their service life the same? Hammer wear can give a sharp metallic sound. Hammer intonation can significantly improve the sound of the Yamaha. Also, the instruments need to be tuned at about the same time by the same tuner. The chamber needs to be placed slightly to the side so that the Yamaha does not cover the sound from the Stenway.
Y bass is beautiful on the Steinway Model D, the treble clef notes on the Yamaha CFX are spectacular. Classical Pianist master here who studied at the 2nd Viennese School of Music here. The price is offensive lol😂 a 9’foot Yamaha CFX is about $300,000 and it is about the same price for the Steinway Model D. So really it comes down yo musicians preference. You really can’t go wrong with either one. With each of those pianos or a Beckstein, a Bosendoefer, you really cannot lose with any of those beauties. One day if I ever win the lottery I’ll get the Yamaha CFX
I think the Steinway is a bit "drastic" for presenting the Prokofiev. I just feel that the tone Prokofiev was looking for is better with the Yamaha. With an orchestra and audience on the Beethoven, then Steinway. However, the Yamaha will still be plenty.
I generally like a Steinway sound if it’s a solo piano piece as it’s a more mellow rounded sound. The Yamaha is better for ensemble pieces where its brightness helps cut through in the mix.
since i'm looking when the pianist switch from CFX to Steinway, the Steinway has more refine sound and more magnificent...i'm not a pianist and using only a digital piano using VSL plugins with Bosendorfer and Steinway....but if blindfolded it'll be hard to distinguish but the sounds are separable
Steinway timbre is the richest one. So there's a lot of different ways to play the same passage. You can change colors. It also has the smoothest attack, the greatest ressonance (that's why it can blurs easily if wrongly played) and power without stridency. All other piano brands lack at least one of these features (with the exception of Mason&Hamelin, maybe)
@@hastensavoir7782 they are extremely rare to find here in Brazil. I really have no idea. Very few times I could touch one of them. I know there's criticism about the carbon fiber action. It feels insanely good to play, but my piano technician claims it removes nuances, the reason why Shigeru Kawai quit using it.
Both fabulous pianos, but quite different! Seems best to choose the piano depending on what piece your playing and what tone and color you want to render with that piece! Yamaha seems better suited for modern pieces and the Steinway, better suited for older, more historical pieces....
Which model year is this Steinway? New York or Hamburg? Every brand make piano differently in different periods and also produce different sounds. The CFX is surely the 2022 model, we can see from the music desk.
It sounds like the Yamaha is closer to the mic. It also has a stronger percussive sound, and the tone is brighter and rough around the edges. The Steinway has a quieter and rounder tone. The Steinway is the better choice, especially for a recording, but I probably wouldn't enjoy playing it. I don't like pianos with heavy action on the keys. I personally like Kawaii grand pianos, which to me have a bright, round tone. My home church had two Kawaii grands when I was an adolescent, and one of my friends dad had one in their music room at home. Hope the recital went well. 🩷
The Yamaha sounds hard and glassy in the mid range. The Steinway sings and resonates more beautifully. But it's really is hard to know if this is really true because of the placement of the Steinway behind the Yamaha's lid and the less than ideal recording quality.
Exactly - on all counts - though all Yamaha have overtone resonance, not just in this recording, or in my own studio (Yamaha C3), or my former teacher's (now a celebrated film composer and jazz pianist - his is a C5). I can usually tell a Yamaha from any solo piano recording because of the resonance of the overtones.
Is this at the RNCM? Did mine there many years ago! If it is I guess the Steinway is older - would be curious to know the respective ages of the pianos. They bought 2 new D's in the ealry 2000's but didn't have a CFX.
@MichaeljpburkeUkMusic Yes, I’m studying at the RNCM too! It’s great to see an alumni here. Unfortunately I haven’t figured out how old they are but it was a good opportunity to compare two pianos from different makers.
Great Steinway.Yamaha is much to harsh in trebles and a swamp in Bass. Pianist is an asian kid :) Bad recording , distorted over the top. Bad Video all together !
The Steinway has such a delicate, regal sound to it, so much character.
Nah.
The bass is beautiful on the steinway.
how? steinway bass is always a muffled sound no vibration like yamaha or bosendorfer. steinways sound awesome but not in their bass their bass sounds like they have a pillow over it .
@@2010frankiegYAMAHAは解像度を上げようとした結果、音の色彩が折重ならず腺病質な印象
Pls give a new Steinway Piano 2years to open up and unfold it's tone colour ...I use these 2 brands..
@@2010frankiegI think it’s great when Pounded playing is applied. NOT for Fast, Repetitive playing where no one can distinguish and clarify the Muddy sounds 😂
I'm not sure as you placed the Yamaha in front of the Steinway so the Yamaha projects somewhat more. They're both fine pianos. So, whichever you choose is fine and may just depend on action, responsiveness, tone control, pedal feel, etc.
We get to hear the reverberant Hall in good measure... yes the Steinway suffers a little being so far back. Both Beautiful Pianos they sound pretty much as they always do.
0:46 Medtner Fairy Tale - Yamaha CFX
1:54 Medtner Fairy Tale - Steinway Model D
3:06 Prokofiev sonata no. 5 - Yamaha CFX
5:34 Prokofiev sonata no. 5 - Steinway Model D
7:55 Beethoven candenza - Yamaha CFX
9:43 Beethoven candenza - Steinway Model D
It's Prokofiev Sonata N. 2, 2nd movement
Great playing! I definitely think your playing has more color and dynamic presence in your finger voicing to present with that Steinway, but whatever you choose, your performance will be excellent because you are PREPARED. Nothing matters but what you leave on the stage and in the hall for an actual audience. Good work and keep on going!
The Yamaha had a more consistent sound through all of its keys. The Steinway sounds like three different instruments in its base, middle, and upper sections. I like the middle range of the Steinway, but it is a bit more confusing than the Yamaha when the song includes the whole set of keys.
I think the problem is with the camera and piano placement.
We got direct projection from yamaha, and it staturated the camera mic.
but steinway is blocked from direct projection, so the bass is more picked up by the camera.
Steinway Model D. Hands down.
There's actually not that much of a difference.
Haha. No, Steinway fanboy.
This is not a criticism, but an observation. It's an interesting experiment, and worth repeating, where each piano is recorded separately with close micing as well as room mics. You are likely to find the tonal qualities of each piano are more readily discernible in detail and the differences between the instruments easier to hear. Achieving an ideal sound from either piano is more likely once the details of where to place the mics for each different instrument is determined, thus bringing out the beauty of each one in a natural way which befits the particular character of each instrument - a bit like the way one adjusts to play differently on each piano as a player.
She’s choosing which piano to play. How you mic the piano is of no concern to the player. She’s looking for feel, touch and how it sounds through her own ears as she plays the pieces, not a microphone.
Ok so first thing I noticed here is you are indeed a pianist. Second thing nice pianos; third thing I have abound as nice of headphones as you can get it is hard to tell from the video which is “better”. 4th thing is I clicked for great title…good idea for a video and great way to get subs. 5th yes I did sub. 6th thing have a nice day, Ysukushi, cool name. Oh yeah, I grew up playing a Yamaha Grand piano no cfx for sure. I going to say Yamaha I mean let’s hand it to the Japanese for making some great pianos….Steinway can’t win every time. Which one did you decide on? Edit :She went with Steinway Ha. In my opinion I would have decided based on preference of action for recital. Which I will now watch.
VERY close. They're both excellent pianos. -Retired piano tuner/tech.
The Steinway is simply sublime.
I am a Steinway fan boy, whenever I hear comparisons, it is Steinway Yamaha makes a great piano as well as electric pianos. Someone mentioned Fazioli which are great pianos but have to much resonance from other strings so does not sound as sharp, almost rumbles for me on the low end, just my opinion, notes are not separated and sharp. Your playing was brilliant, brava
How can the sound be compared if the audio if of so low quality?
Where are your videos so you can “show her how it’s done” ??
My thoughts exactly! The microphone is too far, the room reverb too great, to get an accurate representation of either piano.
She is the one comparing in person not us.
@@vasilikonstan exactly thats true! Its a pitty that this recording is is made with just one mic at the cameera. Lowtech comparison. The play is very good, but the sound recording is like a homevideo recording.
Yes I love the clarity of the Yamaha too. The Steinway sounds muffled and old.
For me, the mic-ing of the pianos seems stationary and thus the Yamaha sounds louder and brighter and I think the voicing of the Yamaha needs a bit of work to make this a more fair comparison. Then there is the placement of the two instruments. This placement I find problematic and does not lend itself to fairly comparing the sound of each piano. That is the trouble with these types of comparison videos. Each instrument is a fine example of the craftsmanship of there makers. When listening I turn down the volume when the Yamaha is played and the difference between the two sounds becomes barley distinguishable.
It's a Hamburg Steinway D (rounded corners on the 2 arms, NY Steinways have sharp corners). Hamburg & NY Steinways are very different. The Yamaha is the latest, with straight legs. Hard to tell the sound difference, I tried it on PC speakers, phone ear buds, TV speakers, and TV through stereo system speakers, maybe it's my ears. If blindfolded, I cannot tell which is which. Drawing a conclusion on the sound from a youtube recording is rather silly. Also: touch, responsive action, easy or hard to play, etc etc, are just as important, only if you are lucky enough to get these 2 pianos together and play them yourself. However, nice try, and quite interesting. Enjoyed it.
Past 5 years NY D also has rounded cheeks. They are almost impossible to tell apart from stage these days.
You need to compare the instruments when they are new. Is their service life the same? Hammer wear can give a sharp metallic sound. Hammer intonation can significantly improve the sound of the Yamaha. Also, the instruments need to be tuned at about the same time by the same tuner. The chamber needs to be placed slightly to the side so that the Yamaha does not cover the sound from the Stenway.
Y bass is beautiful on the Steinway Model D, the treble clef notes on the Yamaha CFX are spectacular. Classical
Pianist master here who studied at the 2nd Viennese School of Music here. The price is offensive lol😂 a 9’foot Yamaha CFX is about $300,000 and it is about the same price for the Steinway Model D.
So really it comes down yo musicians preference. You really can’t go wrong with either one.
With each of those pianos or a Beckstein, a Bosendoefer, you really cannot lose with any of those beauties.
One day if I ever win the lottery I’ll get the Yamaha CFX
Yamaha CFX forever! The one of the two that is actually WORTH THE PRICE XD
To even talk about the price is just ridiculous.
@@kingvii7250 100 thousand dollars for a 9 foot grand is fair, but pushing 150 thousand for a Steinway D is retarded. They're nowhere NEAR as good.
what are everyone listening through? I think the CFX sounds way better than the steinway through my sennheiser hd820….
Which one did you pick? Lovely playing. I just subscribed.
I think the Steinway is a bit "drastic" for presenting the Prokofiev. I just feel that the tone Prokofiev was looking for is better with the Yamaha. With an orchestra and audience on the Beethoven, then Steinway. However, the Yamaha will still be plenty.
Both pianos are supreme, but different. Wheter you like the Steinway Model D or the Yamaha CFX more is rather a religious question.
I loved the Beethoven No.4 Cadenza!! Definitely the Steinway. Which one did you choose?
@chrisadamo1720 Steinway!
I generally like a Steinway sound if it’s a solo piano piece as it’s a more mellow rounded sound.
The Yamaha is better for ensemble pieces where its brightness helps cut through in the mix.
since i'm looking when the pianist switch from CFX to Steinway, the Steinway has more refine sound and more magnificent...i'm not a pianist and using only a digital piano using VSL plugins with Bosendorfer and Steinway....but if blindfolded it'll be hard to distinguish but the sounds are separable
Steinway timbre is the richest one. So there's a lot of different ways to play the same passage. You can change colors. It also has the smoothest attack, the greatest ressonance (that's why it can blurs easily if wrongly played) and power without stridency. All other piano brands lack at least one of these features (with the exception of Mason&Hamelin, maybe)
@@LuisKolodinwhat do you think of Mason & Hamlin especially the new VX lines?
@@hastensavoir7782 they are extremely rare to find here in Brazil. I really have no idea. Very few times I could touch one of them. I know there's criticism about the carbon fiber action. It feels insanely good to play, but my piano technician claims it removes nuances, the reason why Shigeru Kawai quit using it.
@@LuisKolodin did Shigeru Kawai convert to Wood for their actions??
Do you have experience with Fazioli?
@@hastensavoir7782 yes, Shigeru got back to wood. At least half of the action.
Yes, I have experience with Fazioli. Why?
Yamaha is much better. More clean. Sounds better. Of course.
Ich hätte es nie geglaubt, aber der Yamaha ist tatsächlich besser.
Both fabulous pianos, but quite different! Seems best to choose the piano depending on what piece your playing and what tone and color you want to render with that piece! Yamaha seems better suited for modern pieces and the Steinway, better suited for older, more historical pieces....
Fuller tone in the bass notes of the Steinway. Mid and high notes are fine for me in both pianos.
Which model year is this Steinway? New York or Hamburg? Every brand make piano differently in different periods and also produce different sounds. The CFX is surely the 2022 model, we can see from the music desk.
It a a Hamburg Steinway you can recognize it throug the rounded keyboard extremity furniture
@@jayphi4095 New York steinways after 2019 have the same shape
It sounds like the Yamaha is closer to the mic. It also has a stronger percussive sound, and the tone is brighter and rough around the edges. The Steinway has a quieter and rounder tone. The Steinway is the better choice, especially for a recording, but I probably wouldn't enjoy playing it. I don't like pianos with heavy action on the keys. I personally like Kawaii grand pianos, which to me have a bright, round tone. My home church had two Kawaii grands when I was an adolescent, and one of my friends dad had one in their music room at home. Hope the recital went well. 🩷
Yamaha project directly to the camera so it overwhelms it. But stainway is blocked by yamaha lid so it doesnt have direct projection.
I like the Steinway
Both are wonderful. I prefer the German Steinway D. At least for the music I play.
Steinway Challenge: Create a consistent instrument, Level Impossible
Steinway ❤
😂😂😂😂
The Yamaha sounds hard and glassy in the mid range. The Steinway sings and resonates more beautifully. But it's really is hard to know if this is really true because of the placement of the Steinway behind the Yamaha's lid and the less than ideal recording quality.
Exactly - on all counts - though all Yamaha have overtone resonance, not just in this recording, or in my own studio (Yamaha C3), or my former teacher's (now a celebrated film composer and jazz pianist - his is a C5). I can usually tell a Yamaha from any solo piano recording because of the resonance of the overtones.
Steinway Bass - Yow!
Of course is Steinway D!
😂😂😂😂
Yamaha sounds like it has had loads of redbull😂
I’ll take the pipe organ! 😎🎹
야마하 : 묵직하다.
스웨이 : 화사하고 비단결처럼 곱다.
In this particular setting the Steinway is better. Yamaha too bright.
I hope for the sake of acoustics that those bricks are made of anything but concrete
You are missing the two other major concert grand piano brands here in the USA. 1. Kawai, 2. Baldwin!!!!!
Steinway of course, you can hear so much more detail.
Fazioli vs Bosendorfer
Is this at the RNCM? Did mine there many years ago! If it is I guess the Steinway is older - would be curious to know the respective ages of the pianos. They bought 2 new D's in the ealry 2000's but didn't have a CFX.
@MichaeljpburkeUkMusic Yes, I’m studying at the RNCM too! It’s great to see an alumni here. Unfortunately I haven’t figured out how old they are but it was a good opportunity to compare two pianos from different makers.
Now try a Fazioli f308.
The Steinway is definitely the better piano of the two.
steinway
I am here for Medtner
Steinway
Yamaha is too bright.
The Steinway in incomparably better with more depth bass and clear and pearly medium and sharp notes not even a possible concurrence…
Steinway D
Much of the difference is microphone placement… not great for either… Yamaha’s are lame though…
Difficult to judge as the acoustics of this auditorium is washing out the nuances of these fine instruments
YAMAHA !!!!!!
Japaner und Russen vertragen sich nicht so gut, oje das Stainway auch nicht Music Kaputt??? Meine Ohren
Steinway simply lacks tonal depth. And no piano is capable of a true harmonic third.
Yamaha (L)
Great Steinway.Yamaha is much to harsh in trebles and a swamp in Bass. Pianist is an asian kid :) Bad recording , distorted over the top. Bad Video all together !
Okay..., okay, you know how to play the piano, now go to the Steinway..., please?
What comparison? One is a piano. The other a Yamaha.
sounds terriblr
Steinway is king and global leader
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