Thanks so much for featuring the RICE mod and its newly added "Nabataean" content with Ibn Wahshiyya! It was meant to be a fun little side diversion while I was updating to Roads to Power, but glad you enjoyed it. As I've mentioned elsewhere, a lot of credit should go to Soraya, a former modder/researcher for the Fallen Eagle and Rajas of Asia mod teams, who pitched the ideas to me initially and assisted with research. I haven't been able to watch much of the video yet but from what I've seen so far, I also appreciate the discussion about history and less fantastical portrayals of religion - it's something I absolutely wanted to help expose players to while making that content. In the future, I hope to give Ibn Wahshiyya (or other Nabataeans of Iraq) a semi-plausible way to do a Mesopotamian restoration playthrough that approaches it from the angle of how people of the CK3 era viewed ancient Mesopotamia, rather than a "Ziggurats everywhere!" that's how we see it in the modern day.
RICE is hands down the best mod out there for CK3 - excluding total conversion ones. cybrxkhan did an outstanding job, can't play without it. I recommend it to everyone
@lcc1258 Wait what?!? I knew that you didn't have to use ironmqn anymore but I could've had mods to make my characters look prettier this whole time?? *immediately opens steam*
On the point from about 4:20 , in the Rome restoration run I did relatively early in my ck3 "career" I roleplayed as Vikings having seen and heard a lot about rome from their stints as varangians and then deciding to basically larp as romans after migrating to rome itself. Basically they tried to act as romanly roman as possible, even "re-created" the ancient roman faith but really having no real understanding of what they were doing. I imagine a lot of leaning into stereotypes but also just repainting their older culture and beliefs in the new light. Kind of like the romans and greeks thought to see their gods reflected in other religions, my wannabe-romans would essentially say they'd worship Jupiter but in reality they'd still be closely inspired by their old worship of Odin/Thor, just re-coloring their old gods with what little they could gather on their "new" divine patrons. Obviously that was and is only depictable in the game to a limited extent, but I really liked my RP. I kind of started out inspired by the "Vikings" of AtE.
Hey OPB, Gyles here, thanks for showing off my city models, it’s really appreciated. You mentioned the color of the Dome of the Rock being ahistorical, but if you or other people want, there is a version of the textures that includes a blueish dome that is more accurate to the time period. The files are available in the shared resources of the mod coop discord server, I believe you just need to switch them with the mod files to get it working.
And also, the road following the path the houses make in Constantinople is purely coincidental as I had made that model long before you made the roads mod. A happy coincidence I’d say!
"I hope you enjoy yapping videos" I can assure you that they are by far the best videos on your channel. Love watching you talk about real and fictional history in this way.
Between this and your manor lords playthrough, you have such a fascinating and relaxing way to talk about medieval history. It helps a lot when I'm feeling anxious or stressed.
Could you do an episode more on historical roleplaying? I've been struggling recently with understanding feudalizing and the costs and remote regions/areas included on the map. Is there a historical reason to feudalize in tribal areas of CK3? Or does it make more sense to invade and conquer already developed feudal land? Sorry if I'm struggling to verbalize in a way that makes sense. I love your videos! ❤ I appreciate the historical lens you always use, it's my favorite.
In English you pronounce Sennacherib "sə-ˈna-kə-rəb," as a rule in most cases "ch" is read as "k" in English, when the word comes via Greek (as in this case). "Ch" is pronounced as "sh" mostly when it comes from French.
Wasn't there still an unbroken line of hellenic practises in the mountains of the Peloponnese in 867? Not the majority of the county, though it was the reason CK2 made them as such. I always assumed gathering up the piety to convert was you going on a journey there and learning from them, since they didn't die out until like 1000-1100 CE. (My most recent Hellenic revival playthrough was actually as the Maniots themselves, or a wanderer from their ranks, who went the travelling preacher route and converted like 3/4 of the byzantine empire to hellenic before getting the trait and buying an Estate (Because the goal was the achievement 'started from the bottom now we're 'ERE' since i already had reforming rome from older versions..)) Converting with the decision was kinda BS though, which is why I went that route instead and was already Hellenic when the time came to reform Rome, and then the Religion (Because I did want household gods lol.) I know full well how hard modern worship of these kinds of gods is painfully difficult though, I'm a follower of the Celtic gods, and... we've lost so much...
Indeed Maniots lasted way past 867, and I'm almost certain there were more isolated greek pagan beliefs scattered across the country at that point. From the picture I've gotten Paradox hates every mention of them and that is why we got the jarringly unimmersive meta decision of hard mode instead of any historically interesting content designed around them.
im surprised theres no like celtic faiths in the game....i dont know when they were Christianized, but i kinda thought at least in 867 there might be something left, or at least a dead faith and some holy sites. the one faith i have seen them handle pretty cool is the basque one, where when you bring it back you also change it
@@MeCrazy516 The Celts were pretty heavily Christianised. In fact, they played a role in spreading church traditions to their Anglo-Saxon neighbours, who were much more recently pagan.
@@kieranmiles3198 yeah but there isnt a remnant of either's pagan religions, even a completely dead one.....unless you could generic pagan, but that seems to a be a weird global religion in ck3
I don't think it's all that necessary to worship the same gods as the ancients in the same way to say your practicing the same religions.(Most modern religious people certainly don't) They were generally practicing different versions from the next town over any way, and even by the time Rome started spreading it they were accepting so many other gods that it basically became a hodge podge anyway. I think the general idea of wanting to worship the natural world in terms that make sense to your culture isn't that weird. Where you are entirely correctly is that if you have enough piety you can resurrect something like Zunism in Scandanavia. This would just be weird, and even if they did decide to worship the sun they would more likely do so in their terms rather than random Persians
@@derekskelton4187 I disagree, but on a level you might not find to be that much in opposition to yours. I agree that we can abstract this and just vaguely say "it's somewhere near it". It's fine on that abstract level. For a character-driven game in which faith is a highly personal experience, I find it lazy that the idea of faiths developing and "reborn faiths" not actually being the same in a very specific fashion aren't something the game wants to even investigate. As it is, faith in the historical context isn't interrogated at all. We get this exact vagueness that allows us to call Hellenism from 400BC the same as Hellenism I dig up in my basement in 1300, when it would be UNBELIEVABLY INTERESTING if the game concerned itself with how these two practices would differ.
8:30 Abbasid caliphate got humiliated and and "destroyed" in a sense already before Seljuks, by the Iranian Buyid dynasty. Later on turks and other foreigners took control of the area after Iranians trying to regain their territory.
When I heard he was going to cut the video when the guy died, I thought, "Crap. This character is going to die in 30 minutes. His backstory and goals sounded so interesting." I'm glad it wasn't the case. I look forward to the next video! 😆 In a while, (Nile)Crocodile!
When Julian the Apostate tried to revive Hellenism, no one knew of how to preform ceremonies, nobody knew what prayers to say, little was written down, and those who followed his apostasy often just made things up, and this was only a few decades after St. Constantine
Do you maybe have any sources for that? Because as far as I know people were still very much practicing old hellenistic faith during the reign of Julian and he himself wrote many philosophical texts concerning the nature of hellenistic gods.
@@pokoloko9279 Yeah this sounds like something Christians made up to make him sound crazy. There were definitely still a lot of Hellenic people in this time. At a minimum the Academy of Athens was still going for a few hundred years
@@derekskelton4187 Hell I even remembered that Hypatia of Alexandria (the great female philosopher and scholar) who was very much pagan and known for it died 52 years after Julian. So I guess OP has just written some nonsense
@derekskelton4187 it is true that Julian the Apostate's reforms often made up shit. Not so much because paganism was dead, but because he wanted to revive the paganism of pre-christian rome, from hundreds of years before his reign. He saw the paganism that existed in the newly Christian empire as being corrupted by Christianity
It seems weird his reign started only 50 years after Constantin s conversion it's way too short and also Christianity wasn't a state religion at that time.
Copied from another comment: There are actually two groups of Nabataeans here - there are the more famous Nabataeans of the Levant, the Arab-speakers who built Petra. The Nabataeans featured in OPB's video are the so-called Nabataeans of Iraq, a group of Aramaic-speakers from southern Mesopotamia who were called as such in the early medieval period. It's why their in-game culture is called Nabati, to avoid confusion. During that era, the term Nabataean was sometimes used in the Abbasid Empire to describe different non-Arab peoples, including even Kurds and Armenians, which is how the Nabataeans of Iraq got their name.
There are actually two groups of Nabataeans here - there are the more famous Nabataeans of the Levant, the Arab-speakers who built Petra. The Nabataeans featured in OPB's video are the so-called Nabataeans of Iraq, a group of Aramaic-speakers from southern Mesopotamia who were called as such in the early medieval period. It's why their in-game culture is called Nabati, to avoid confusion. During that era, the term Nabataean was sometimes used in the Abbasid Empire to describe different non-Arab peoples, including even Kurds and Armenians, which is how the Nabataeans of Iraq got their name.
I just enjoy yapping around the history that CK3 only glosses over, what can I say?
A bit sick right now, but more content is on its way!
what mods did you use for the cities, they look amazing
Yapping away about history is always welcome in my book
can you create a mod collection on the work shop??
would you consider doing a HOI4 series once the new DLC drops?
Thanks so much for featuring the RICE mod and its newly added "Nabataean" content with Ibn Wahshiyya! It was meant to be a fun little side diversion while I was updating to Roads to Power, but glad you enjoyed it. As I've mentioned elsewhere, a lot of credit should go to Soraya, a former modder/researcher for the Fallen Eagle and Rajas of Asia mod teams, who pitched the ideas to me initially and assisted with research.
I haven't been able to watch much of the video yet but from what I've seen so far, I also appreciate the discussion about history and less fantastical portrayals of religion - it's something I absolutely wanted to help expose players to while making that content. In the future, I hope to give Ibn Wahshiyya (or other Nabataeans of Iraq) a semi-plausible way to do a Mesopotamian restoration playthrough that approaches it from the angle of how people of the CK3 era viewed ancient Mesopotamia, rather than a "Ziggurats everywhere!" that's how we see it in the modern day.
RICE is hands down the best mod out there for CK3 - excluding total conversion ones. cybrxkhan did an outstanding job, can't play without it. I recommend it to everyone
Honestly. People playing without RICE and VIET are playing the game wrong imo xD
100%, specially since 1.9 and mods being compatible with achievements. Literally no reason to not play with it
Seriously! ❤ So much love for RICE. It helps make the game actually feel like it should.
@lcc1258 Wait what?!? I knew that you didn't have to use ironmqn anymore but I could've had mods to make my characters look prettier this whole time?? *immediately opens steam*
@@Arran05 yeah man, since last year haha
Bro loves showing off his roads mod 😂😂 nah but in all seriousness thank you for making such a great mod!
On the point from about 4:20 , in the Rome restoration run I did relatively early in my ck3 "career" I roleplayed as Vikings having seen and heard a lot about rome from their stints as varangians and then deciding to basically larp as romans after migrating to rome itself. Basically they tried to act as romanly roman as possible, even "re-created" the ancient roman faith but really having no real understanding of what they were doing. I imagine a lot of leaning into stereotypes but also just repainting their older culture and beliefs in the new light.
Kind of like the romans and greeks thought to see their gods reflected in other religions, my wannabe-romans would essentially say they'd worship Jupiter but in reality they'd still be closely inspired by their old worship of Odin/Thor, just re-coloring their old gods with what little they could gather on their "new" divine patrons.
Obviously that was and is only depictable in the game to a limited extent, but I really liked my RP. I kind of started out inspired by the "Vikings" of AtE.
Hey OPB, Gyles here, thanks for showing off my city models, it’s really appreciated. You mentioned the color of the Dome of the Rock being ahistorical, but if you or other people want, there is a version of the textures that includes a blueish dome that is more accurate to the time period. The files are available in the shared resources of the mod coop discord server, I believe you just need to switch them with the mod files to get it working.
And also, the road following the path the houses make in Constantinople is purely coincidental as I had made that model long before you made the roads mod. A happy coincidence I’d say!
I love your two city models! Do you have more? And do you know where those many other models come from?
@@finallyciv1366 They’re available as mods on the steam workshop
@@gillesjacquemin3433 Which one? I’m using COW3, Medieval Arts, MHG, your two models but neither has the models I’ve seen in the video. 😊
@@finallyciv1366 just type « Constantinople » and you should find my model, along with the one for Jerusalem
"I hope you enjoy yapping videos"
I can assure you that they are by far the best videos on your channel. Love watching you talk about real and fictional history in this way.
I really like this kind of content of yours. Not just gameplay but having historical talk in it..
Between this and your manor lords playthrough, you have such a fascinating and relaxing way to talk about medieval history. It helps a lot when I'm feeling anxious or stressed.
Could you do an episode more on historical roleplaying?
I've been struggling recently with understanding feudalizing and the costs and remote regions/areas included on the map.
Is there a historical reason to feudalize in tribal areas of CK3? Or does it make more sense to invade and conquer already developed feudal land?
Sorry if I'm struggling to verbalize in a way that makes sense.
I love your videos! ❤ I appreciate the historical lens you always use, it's my favorite.
From which mod have you got the different looks of major cities and the different cultural holding types?
"Constantinople And Jerusalem Models" by Gyles (who's comment is actually right above you!)
As for the cultural holdings idk
cybrxkhan for president
OPB! give me those 3d models of cities and my life is yours!
bitte ich flehe dich an
Will you ever update the mod collection you have on steam?
Bitte Bitte Bitte tell us where you took the city models from! And maybe even ask the authors to publish an OPB version of your set up! 🙏🙏
Love the history yapping with CK3 as the canvas.
In English you pronounce Sennacherib "sə-ˈna-kə-rəb," as a rule in most cases "ch" is read as "k" in English, when the word comes via Greek (as in this case). "Ch" is pronounced as "sh" mostly when it comes from French.
Where did you get those city and castle models OPB?
Wasn't there still an unbroken line of hellenic practises in the mountains of the Peloponnese in 867? Not the majority of the county, though it was the reason CK2 made them as such. I always assumed gathering up the piety to convert was you going on a journey there and learning from them, since they didn't die out until like 1000-1100 CE. (My most recent Hellenic revival playthrough was actually as the Maniots themselves, or a wanderer from their ranks, who went the travelling preacher route and converted like 3/4 of the byzantine empire to hellenic before getting the trait and buying an Estate (Because the goal was the achievement 'started from the bottom now we're 'ERE' since i already had reforming rome from older versions..))
Converting with the decision was kinda BS though, which is why I went that route instead and was already Hellenic when the time came to reform Rome, and then the Religion (Because I did want household gods lol.)
I know full well how hard modern worship of these kinds of gods is painfully difficult though, I'm a follower of the Celtic gods, and... we've lost so much...
Indeed Maniots lasted way past 867, and I'm almost certain there were more isolated greek pagan beliefs scattered across the country at that point.
From the picture I've gotten Paradox hates every mention of them and that is why we got the jarringly unimmersive meta decision of hard mode instead of any historically interesting content designed around them.
Just came here to say I really like the goofy abbasid nerd thumbnail
when i watch the begining of your. video's i know how my family feels wen i open my mouth.
One angel killed 185,000 soldiers? Bro must've had all the knight perks stacked up
What's the mod for the cities looking so beautiful !?
im surprised theres no like celtic faiths in the game....i dont know when they were Christianized, but i kinda thought at least in 867 there might be something left, or at least a dead faith and some holy sites. the one faith i have seen them handle pretty cool is the basque one, where when you bring it back you also change it
@@MeCrazy516 The Celts were pretty heavily Christianised. In fact, they played a role in spreading church traditions to their Anglo-Saxon neighbours, who were much more recently pagan.
@@kieranmiles3198 yeah but there isnt a remnant of either's pagan religions, even a completely dead one.....unless you could generic pagan, but that seems to a be a weird global religion in ck3
I don't think it's all that necessary to worship the same gods as the ancients in the same way to say your practicing the same religions.(Most modern religious people certainly don't) They were generally practicing different versions from the next town over any way, and even by the time Rome started spreading it they were accepting so many other gods that it basically became a hodge podge anyway. I think the general idea of wanting to worship the natural world in terms that make sense to your culture isn't that weird. Where you are entirely correctly is that if you have enough piety you can resurrect something like Zunism in Scandanavia. This would just be weird, and even if they did decide to worship the sun they would more likely do so in their terms rather than random Persians
@@derekskelton4187 I disagree, but on a level you might not find to be that much in opposition to yours. I agree that we can abstract this and just vaguely say "it's somewhere near it". It's fine on that abstract level. For a character-driven game in which faith is a highly personal experience, I find it lazy that the idea of faiths developing and "reborn faiths" not actually being the same in a very specific fashion aren't something the game wants to even investigate. As it is, faith in the historical context isn't interrogated at all. We get this exact vagueness that allows us to call Hellenism from 400BC the same as Hellenism I dig up in my basement in 1300, when it would be UNBELIEVABLY INTERESTING if the game concerned itself with how these two practices would differ.
8:30 Abbasid caliphate got humiliated and and "destroyed" in a sense already before Seljuks, by the Iranian Buyid dynasty. Later on turks and other foreigners took control of the area after Iranians trying to regain their territory.
Actually the Emirate of crete island exists for over 147 years
Hey! Do you have any official modlist that you are using? I would love to know what is the name of the mod you are using for the cities!
As a yapper myself, i enjoy the yapping video
not. enough. yapping. :3
When I heard he was going to cut the video when the guy died, I thought, "Crap. This character is going to die in 30 minutes. His backstory and goals sounded so interesting."
I'm glad it wasn't the case.
I look forward to the next video! 😆
In a while, (Nile)Crocodile!
In fairness that king was an evil pos. Babylon was the most advanced civilisation of the time. All that advancement.... Lost.
what is his mod collection?
Do you get 30 l% if your greco-roman faith travelling in mesopotamia??
I would love to see your modlist
Master Yapper :p
One Proud Historian 😎
can you make a video on age of history 3, it realeast today and i think its like eu4
OH, I missed that that was coming out today!
Will do a video!
Hey random campaign suggestion in the after the end mod for ck3 reunite Texas or maybe even the united states as the Texas Germans
When Julian the Apostate tried to revive Hellenism, no one knew of how to preform ceremonies, nobody knew what prayers to say, little was written down, and those who followed his apostasy often just made things up, and this was only a few decades after St. Constantine
Do you maybe have any sources for that? Because as far as I know people were still very much practicing old hellenistic faith during the reign of Julian and he himself wrote many philosophical texts concerning the nature of hellenistic gods.
@@pokoloko9279 Yeah this sounds like something Christians made up to make him sound crazy. There were definitely still a lot of Hellenic people in this time. At a minimum the Academy of Athens was still going for a few hundred years
@@derekskelton4187 Hell I even remembered that Hypatia of Alexandria (the great female philosopher and scholar) who was very much pagan and known for it died 52 years after Julian. So I guess OP has just written some nonsense
@derekskelton4187 it is true that Julian the Apostate's reforms often made up shit. Not so much because paganism was dead, but because he wanted to revive the paganism of pre-christian rome, from hundreds of years before his reign. He saw the paganism that existed in the newly Christian empire as being corrupted by Christianity
It seems weird his reign started only 50 years after Constantin s conversion it's way too short and also Christianity wasn't a state religion at that time.
Wie heißt die mod wo die burgen schöner und besser ausschauen also die 3d modele der burgen
i enjoy yapping videos :)))
nabateans in mesopotamia? I thought they were people from the other side of arabia
Copied from another comment:
There are actually two groups of Nabataeans here - there are the more famous Nabataeans of the Levant, the Arab-speakers who built Petra. The Nabataeans featured in OPB's video are the so-called Nabataeans of Iraq, a group of Aramaic-speakers from southern Mesopotamia who were called as such in the early medieval period. It's why their in-game culture is called Nabati, to avoid confusion. During that era, the term Nabataean was sometimes used in the Abbasid Empire to describe different non-Arab peoples, including even Kurds and Armenians, which is how the Nabataeans of Iraq got their name.
You should try adding the zanj rebellion
Mods
OPB hording mods for himself i see
Why is it called Nabataeans? Nabateans are at South of Jerusalem, no? As far as I know, they are Arabs, not Chaldeans, Babylonians, Assyrians..
There are actually two groups of Nabataeans here - there are the more famous Nabataeans of the Levant, the Arab-speakers who built Petra. The Nabataeans featured in OPB's video are the so-called Nabataeans of Iraq, a group of Aramaic-speakers from southern Mesopotamia who were called as such in the early medieval period. It's why their in-game culture is called Nabati, to avoid confusion. During that era, the term Nabataean was sometimes used in the Abbasid Empire to describe different non-Arab peoples, including even Kurds and Armenians, which is how the Nabataeans of Iraq got their name.
@@cybrxkhansmods2848 yeah I was confused with the naming being exactly the same