Loving it. There are still people insisting on taking a diagonal runup, which makes the hips open easily in the reach back but it's very hard to open them to the target. That's why they need to crank them open with the lower back. I got a big backlash saying this in my video. They didn't listen to me, so I hope they believe you.
I think some people train themselves to make this work, and maybe they resolve these issues in their throw. I know Joel Freeman and Logan Harpool do this, and they aim for more of a "controlled griplock" for more power (Harpool used that phrase explicitly). That said, I don't think that's for everyone, and not everything unconventional is better than convention. I don't think this is worth teaching except to some people who specifically want to experiment with it, but I don't think it's a fix. I think it's another way of doing something, with arguably more downsides than upsides. 🙂
These are legitimately some of the best backhand videos on the internet. This series and bodanzas boot camp with drew are going to provide so much for amateur players trying to improve their games
I have been playing for almost a year now. During that time I have watched countless of hours of DiscGolf tutorials. After 3 tutorials from you I learnt more, so impressed by your level of teaching. Your father most be a proud and of course a good father! Best regards to you both!
Your vids and the Spin Dr's vids are helping me conceptualize my form so much better! Hoping to hit 500" and to get accuracy out to 250-300" ish this off season!
I love the idea of not running up any faster than you can halt your progress. That removes the variety of speeds of players from the equation. If they can halt their progress, it's good. If they can't, they are losing something. So you can make your speed as fast or as slow as you are able to handle and as much as it generates consistency for you. Well said. I wish we had a giant net like that around here!
Love this series, PLEASE make a video talking about your off arm. The whole process from beginning to end because it's very impressive and a huge struggle for many people. I'd love to know the thought process while you're going through your form and the rotation of your wrist at the end. thanks
Will try to do a video on the off arm this offseason! Regarding the wrist thing: I haven't thought about what my wrist does even once in many years. The reason for that is that I don't think actively thinking about it or actively doing some wrist motion is gonna improve anything for me. My main swing thought right now is keeping my hips on line! Hope this helps. Thanks for watching!
Man thank you so much for this! The explanation about the optimal stance for opening and closing the hips is so key! Now I've found what my issue is. Best disc golf form videos on youtube!
I like the thought reversal of the backswing being open and the front swing being closed, in regards to the hips. I feel like that thought will help you think about increasing power into the right hip at the hit instead of thinking of opening and releasing/losing power!
Great info. After watching your "Throwing with your Hips" and "Aiming with your Legs" videos, I realize how messed up my form really is, and just how long it's been that way. I appreciate your expertise and explanation in these form tutorials. Now to put them into practice! Thank you Leon. BTW Iceberg TV sent me your way.
Thanks for this. I definitely do that diagonal run up thing and never really thought about it like this. I am old and out of shape but have always struggled with my plant foot being open to much. Really enjoy your content, keep it up!
Does the flight of the shot affect your run-up line? i.e., hyzer-flip, flex shot. On another note, thank you for your great explanations. You're a great addition to the DG RUclips community. I'm starting to feel like I have a worldly team of coaches behind me getting me better!
I always adjust my runup to point where I want to throw, No Matter where the teepad is pointing. If i throw a big anhyzer Off the Tee and my aiming Spot is far left of where the teepad is pointing then I will Run up Diagonally across the teepad in Order to stay on that Line towards my Spot! Opposite Thing would Go for a big hyzer off the tee where the aiming Spot is way out to the right. So I Always Change the Line I choose on the teepad but No matter what Angle I am throwing the Line is Always pointing where my aiming Spot is (and Not where the teepad is pointing sometimes). Great question, might have to do a Video about this... Thanks for the high praise, it means a Lot to me! Thanks for watching
You've changed my game for real dude. Thank you. What is it that someone develops that allows them to handle a higher speed run up? Is it the outside muscles on the brace leg?
So happy to hear that! Glad I can help. There definitely is a physical aspect to it in my opinion. I actually come from playing competitive volleyball basically all my Life and think having explosive strength in the glutes, Quads and hamstrings has helped me a Lot! With that being Said, to me it also Takes a Lot of Balance, coordination and experience to handle and get a real feel for a fast runup. Hope this helps!
You rock my man. Love your style and you are a natural teacher. Your scored "chill round at home course" is beautiful. Cheers from Mount Rushmore, Keystone SD. When are you coming to USA ?
Man what you are doing is so great! I am playing this game since 4 months and i felt kind of in love with this sport. And you plus your dad are definitely the best teachers i found after hundreds and hundreds of hours in briefing myself online! Thanks a lot! Can you tell me about weight shifting!? do you keep the weight always on both legs balanced, or do you shift the weight in the last moment the shot is getting done from the back to the front leg!?
Thanks a Lot! I honestly don't really think about weight shitting, i think If your runup is good and you Just stay really balanced it should automatically Work!
Finally an explanation that makes perfect sense to me (and isn’t too complicated either). Btw. after watching your first video and trying out the thing with the front foot pushing the right hip back and avoiding the swaying out with the hip, my drives instantly gained 10 meters while using zero arm strength (I went from 80meters « stock distance with some effort » to a 90meters « effortless » in a couple hours). I only have one question, the nerves in my arm went crazy after each good throw and hurt intensely for a minute every time the timing felt good and when I achieved a good snap with a relaxed arm. After a few minutes the pain went away completely though and I didn’t even feel my elbow or shoulder the next day (like I would often times with my old technique). Is that normal?
Great to hear! I think your arm probably just got used to the new motion. If the pain stopped completely after the session I don't think it is an issue.
Love your videos Leon, please don’t stop sharing knowledge! Question: It kinda seems that, aside from the hips, the magic of the throw itself also happens in a split second at @11:52 where your hand stops reaching back and starts moving forward. I’ve seen the loose arm video but for the love of me I can’t seem to replicate this whip crack - what’s the key?
Thanks a lot! I honestly don't have a "key" for this. If I line up my legs and hips the right way and stay loose it happens automatically. I am sorry that I don't have a better answer, but I can only tell you how I do it!
I have a hard time stopping my momentum no matter how slow I run up. 😂 Knees don't like it. Trying to get onto the balls of my feet should help but requires stabilizer muscles.
Thanks for all the great advice. My game has already improved. I have a question about the non throwing arm. How to use it and why? I noticed you do activate this arm.
Thanks for watching, great to hear about your improvement! I will do a video about the off arm sometime this winter! I honestly haven't put a lot of thought into it because it came very naturally for me. I will think about it and put together a video with my thoughts!
Or does this only apply to full power/distance shots? Eagle and drew do also throw in a straight line but only in low power, but when they wanna throw hard, it’s a diagonal run up
They do a diagonal runup over teepad maybe but only because they are throwing the Disc further left. They still stay pretty much on the Line they throw along, especially Eagle. Drew has a little Bit of a bigger step
They might go Diagonally across the teepad but they are still throwing in Line with their aiming Spot! When Going for anhyzers Off the Tee the aiming Spot is often far left of where the teepad is pointing so they runup across the teepad in Order to stay on line actually! Thanks for watching 🙏
The hardest thing I've been finding in my efforts to throw smooth/far is to keep my grip firm enough that the disc doesnt come out earlier while NOT pulling the disc... any tips other than super gluing the disc to my fingers? Holding the disc firm enough is causing me to tense up my arm... it is so difficult
The grip can be a big issue, yes. It is very hard to give one specific Tip about this because there are sooooo many variables when it comes to grip. (Hand Size, Finger Mobility, Personal Anatomy....) I will do a Video about this and am Planning to drop within a few days Most likely!
I don't think about degrees or anything Like that at all. I think If you Set yourself Up the right way everything will Fall into the right places automatically
Simon Lizotte plants a little bit wider than heel to toe, maybe he could fit another foot width in there. I do the same thing. Any suggestions to get it to be more heel to toe? Is it super critical to correct? I can get the disc 500 but I can definitely fit a shoe between my plant heel and trail leg toe.
Loving it. There are still people insisting on taking a diagonal runup, which makes the hips open easily in the reach back but it's very hard to open them to the target. That's why they need to crank them open with the lower back. I got a big backlash saying this in my video. They didn't listen to me, so I hope they believe you.
I think some people train themselves to make this work, and maybe they resolve these issues in their throw. I know Joel Freeman and Logan Harpool do this, and they aim for more of a "controlled griplock" for more power (Harpool used that phrase explicitly). That said, I don't think that's for everyone, and not everything unconventional is better than convention. I don't think this is worth teaching except to some people who specifically want to experiment with it, but I don't think it's a fix. I think it's another way of doing something, with arguably more downsides than upsides. 🙂
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These are legitimately some of the best backhand videos on the internet. This series and bodanzas boot camp with drew are going to provide so much for amateur players trying to improve their games
True, I’ve watched both and am eating it up
Thanks for watching and the kind feedback!
I have been playing for almost a year now. During that time I have watched countless of hours of DiscGolf tutorials.
After 3 tutorials from you I learnt more, so impressed by your level of teaching.
Your father most be a proud and of course a good father!
Best regards to you both!
Couldn't have said it better! Same here, 1 year, and 3 videos from you have made things very clear to me. Thank you!
Thanks so much! Happy to Help. I will Tell him that and I am Sure it will make him happy!
Disc Doctor plus Leon are my absolute favorites. Great job Leon.
Thank you so much!!
Your vids and the Spin Dr's vids are helping me conceptualize my form so much better! Hoping to hit 500" and to get accuracy out to 250-300" ish this off season!
Super happy to hear that! Keep grinding and stay patient and you'll get there for Sure! 💪🤝
You were reccomended by IceBerg TV. Very nice consepts to your teaching Thank you.
Thanks a Lot for watching!
I love the idea of not running up any faster than you can halt your progress. That removes the variety of speeds of players from the equation. If they can halt their progress, it's good. If they can't, they are losing something. So you can make your speed as fast or as slow as you are able to handle and as much as it generates consistency for you. Well said. I wish we had a giant net like that around here!
Happy to hear you agree! A big net is definitely nice for practice, yes 😁 thanks for watching 🙏
Very helpful video. Your explanations are so easy to follow! Thanks very much.
great to hear!
Best videos on RUclips produced by this guy! Thanks for your help!
Thanks a lot!
Love this series, PLEASE make a video talking about your off arm. The whole process from beginning to end because it's very impressive and a huge struggle for many people. I'd love to know the thought process while you're going through your form and the rotation of your wrist at the end. thanks
Will try to do a video on the off arm this offseason! Regarding the wrist thing: I haven't thought about what my wrist does even once in many years. The reason for that is that I don't think actively thinking about it or actively doing some wrist motion is gonna improve anything for me. My main swing thought right now is keeping my hips on line! Hope this helps. Thanks for watching!
@@LeonSonnleitner Thanks for the response. The off arm video will give you thought process and that's good enough for me. apricate you
Man thank you so much for this! The explanation about the optimal stance for opening and closing the hips is so key! Now I've found what my issue is. Best disc golf form videos on youtube!
Super happy to Help! Love to hear that, thanks for watching and supporting 🙏
Everything you’ve put out so far has been great
Thank you so much!
I like the thought reversal of the backswing being open and the front swing being closed, in regards to the hips. I feel like that thought will help you think about increasing power into the right hip at the hit instead of thinking of opening and releasing/losing power!
That is exactly why I like to think about it that way!
Please keep pushing these videos out they’re extremely helpful.
Will do! Glad you like it
Great video! A well deserved subscribe from me. Cant wait to try this out and hopefully finally beating my discgolfgroup
thanks!
Great video this broke things down for me alignment wise and I finally understand what the correct way should look like thank you!
Glad do hear that, thanks for watching!
Thanks Man! Your videos got me over 400ft for the first time today!
Super happy to hear that!!
"Just because it's better than before, doesn't mean that it's good."
Didn't mean to get poetic there haha :-)
Great info. After watching your "Throwing with your Hips" and "Aiming with your Legs" videos, I realize how messed up my form really is, and just how long it's been that way. I appreciate your expertise and explanation in these form tutorials. Now to put them into practice! Thank you Leon. BTW Iceberg TV sent me your way.
You got it man! Thanks for watching!
Love you already bro. Simple perfect. Stay up
thanks a lot!
Thanks for this. I definitely do that diagonal run up thing and never really thought about it like this. I am old and out of shape but have always struggled with my plant foot being open to much. Really enjoy your content, keep it up!
Thanks for the Kind words! You got it man💪
Does the flight of the shot affect your run-up line? i.e., hyzer-flip, flex shot.
On another note, thank you for your great explanations. You're a great addition to the DG RUclips community. I'm starting to feel like I have a worldly team of coaches behind me getting me better!
I always adjust my runup to point where I want to throw, No Matter where the teepad is pointing. If i throw a big anhyzer Off the Tee and my aiming Spot is far left of where the teepad is pointing then I will Run up Diagonally across the teepad in Order to stay on that Line towards my Spot! Opposite Thing would Go for a big hyzer off the tee where the aiming Spot is way out to the right. So I Always Change the Line I choose on the teepad but No matter what Angle I am throwing the Line is Always pointing where my aiming Spot is (and Not where the teepad is pointing sometimes). Great question, might have to do a Video about this...
Thanks for the high praise, it means a Lot to me! Thanks for watching
Great video.. thanks
Excellent excellent explanation showing the hips closed in oven and over exaggerating the feet inline shot.
Very good show jolly good
Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching!
Please keep these coming, love the information!
Super happy to hear that! Don't worry, not planning to stop :-)
Really appreciate your time and efforts Leon. 🤜🤛 Thank you.
Of course! Thanks for watching!
Top tier content, man...keep it coming.
Thanks a Lot!
I’m really getting into your coaching. Excellent job and thank you.
Thanks a lot!!!
Very well made video! Much appreciated. Will you be making similar videos for the forehand?
Thanks a Lot! I probably will!
Great video! There's absolutely no use of a fast run up if you can't brace it
Great job, Leon; thanks.
thank you for watching!
You've changed my game for real dude. Thank you. What is it that someone develops that allows them to handle a higher speed run up? Is it the outside muscles on the brace leg?
So happy to hear that! Glad I can help.
There definitely is a physical aspect to it in my opinion. I actually come from playing competitive volleyball basically all my Life and think having explosive strength in the glutes, Quads and hamstrings has helped me a Lot!
With that being Said, to me it also Takes a Lot of Balance, coordination and experience to handle and get a real feel for a fast runup. Hope this helps!
You rock my man. Love your style and you are a natural teacher. Your scored "chill round at home course" is beautiful. Cheers from Mount Rushmore, Keystone SD. When are you coming to USA ?
Thank you so much! Will try to do more casual rounds soon. I hope I can play in the US as soon as possible! Maybe this season already :-)
Liked before watching as always
Thank you man 💪🙏
Great stuff - keep 'em coming!
Thanks, will do!
Great vid Wunderkind
Thanks so much!
Man what you are doing is so great! I am playing this game since 4 months and i felt kind of in love with this sport. And you plus your dad are definitely the best teachers i found after hundreds and hundreds of hours in briefing myself online! Thanks a lot! Can you tell me about weight shifting!? do you keep the weight always on both legs balanced, or do you shift the weight in the last moment the shot is getting done from the back to the front leg!?
Thanks a Lot! I honestly don't really think about weight shitting, i think If your runup is good and you Just stay really balanced it should automatically Work!
Again good stuff!! Slowing down has helped my accuracy. Taking some distance off but whatever lol. Keep it up!
Thank you! Slowing down to hit your lines is definitely the way to Go, who Cares If you lose a few feet of distance! Thanks for watching 🙏
Finally an explanation that makes perfect sense to me (and isn’t too complicated either). Btw. after watching your first video and trying out the thing with the front foot pushing the right hip back and avoiding the swaying out with the hip, my drives instantly gained 10 meters while using zero arm strength (I went from 80meters « stock distance with some effort » to a 90meters « effortless » in a couple hours). I only have one question, the nerves in my arm went crazy after each good throw and hurt intensely for a minute every time the timing felt good and when I achieved a good snap with a relaxed arm. After a few minutes the pain went away completely though and I didn’t even feel my elbow or shoulder the next day (like I would often times with my old technique). Is that normal?
Great to hear! I think your arm probably just got used to the new motion. If the pain stopped completely after the session I don't think it is an issue.
Love your videos Leon, please don’t stop sharing knowledge!
Question:
It kinda seems that, aside from the hips, the magic of the throw itself also happens in a split second at @11:52 where your hand stops reaching back and starts moving forward. I’ve seen the loose arm video but for the love of me I can’t seem to replicate this whip crack - what’s the key?
Thanks a lot!
I honestly don't have a "key" for this. If I line up my legs and hips the right way and stay loose it happens automatically. I am sorry that I don't have a better answer, but I can only tell you how I do it!
I have a hard time stopping my momentum no matter how slow I run up. 😂 Knees don't like it. Trying to get onto the balls of my feet should help but requires stabilizer muscles.
Thanks for all the great advice. My game has already improved. I have a question about the non throwing arm. How to use it and why? I noticed you do activate this arm.
Thanks for watching, great to hear about your improvement! I will do a video about the off arm sometime this winter! I honestly haven't put a lot of thought into it because it came very naturally for me. I will think about it and put together a video with my thoughts!
How about Drew and Eagle? Drew is very diagonal and eagle too. Eagles last step is also aligned with his back foot?
For a diagonal run up, the front foot lands in line with the back foot, is that ok? The way you showed it was big but Drews gap is small.
Or does this only apply to full power/distance shots? Eagle and drew do also throw in a straight line but only in low power, but when they wanna throw hard, it’s a diagonal run up
They do a diagonal runup over teepad maybe but only because they are throwing the Disc further left. They still stay pretty much on the Line they throw along, especially Eagle. Drew has a little Bit of a bigger step
Sometimes we see pros going diagonally but that is often to assist with anhyzer
They might go Diagonally across the teepad but they are still throwing in Line with their aiming Spot! When Going for anhyzers Off the Tee the aiming Spot is often far left of where the teepad is pointing so they runup across the teepad in Order to stay on line actually! Thanks for watching 🙏
The hardest thing I've been finding in my efforts to throw smooth/far is to keep my grip firm enough that the disc doesnt come out earlier while NOT pulling the disc... any tips other than super gluing the disc to my fingers? Holding the disc firm enough is causing me to tense up my arm... it is so difficult
The grip can be a big issue, yes. It is very hard to give one specific Tip about this because there are sooooo many variables when it comes to grip. (Hand Size, Finger Mobility, Personal Anatomy....) I will do a Video about this and am Planning to drop within a few days Most likely!
Great content, thank you! Do you do form reviews maybe? If so can I have some details on that? :)
Yes, I do! Do you have an instagram by chance?
@@LeonSonnleitner yup, @goin_dg :)
Just a question about a small detail.
Foot angle.
Is your front foot 90degrees to hver you want to throw? And the same for the rear foot?
I don't think about degrees or anything Like that at all. I think If you Set yourself Up the right way everything will Fall into the right places automatically
Simon Lizotte plants a little bit wider than heel to toe, maybe he could fit another foot width in there. I do the same thing.
Any suggestions to get it to be more heel to toe? Is it super critical to correct?
I can get the disc 500 but I can definitely fit a shoe between my plant heel and trail leg toe.
Honestly hard to say without actually seeing some footage. I suggest you try a straighter planting motion out and see if it feels better to you!
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Thanks for watching!
I’m gonna need a dna test to prove this isn’t Simon Lizotte in disguise. Initials LS? Smh Simon, you think you’re so slick.
Hahaha I swear my name is Leon Sonnleitner!
Great videos! Will there be some form tips on forehand?😃🥏✌️
Haven't really decided yet but a lot of people are asking for it so most likely yes!