Rob Delaney and Yanis Varoufakis | US vs UK Healthcare | Podcast 6
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- Опубликовано: 14 май 2024
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Rob Delaney is an American comedian, actor, writer and activist. He is widely known as the co-creator and co-star of the critically acclaimed comedy Catastrophe. To find out more, go to: www.robdelaney.com/
Yanis Varoufakis is an economist, politician, author and the former finance minister of Greece. To find out more, go to: www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/
Raoul Martinez is a philosopher, author and filmmaker. To find out more, go to: www.creatingfreedom.info
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'Americans not only don't know what's happening to them, they don't even know that they don't know.' Noam Chomsky
Brilliant quote from the brilliant Chomsky!
How much money should Jeff Bezos be allowed to keep? And if you took all of Jeff Bezos money, would it be enough for everyone’s health care? Who else would you confiscate money from? There are a lot of needy people who want free health care. What amount on money are you allowed to keep?
Nonone needs a billion of anything and those that think they do, don't even know that accumulation of stuff just makes you sick
Re. the man who was the truck driver in Idaho. This is the American tragedy of the "rugged individual", and particularly men, without a sense or justification of cooperation and sharing the wealth. This is the narrative, made worse by the media, that all men should should not ask for help, and meanwhile being pick pocketed for their labour.
Excellent. So true.
The Idaho man is likely to be the kind of man who would most likely smoke a Marlborough cigarette and would object to any doctor telling him not to, because if he gets lung cancer, well, it's his body and he'll die if he wants to...
Amen brother
They hear of the latest figure for Bezos' wealth and look at him like a god rather than look at the low wages, tough working conditions, paltry benefits that he compensates his workers with for their cartilage.
By far the best I've ever heard the voting issue put is basically: Don't vote for the lesser of two evils, because that is still choosing evil. Instead, since you should be fighting the evil regardless, vote for the weaker adversary.
Yes Rob, we are all very grateful to you, as a wealthy man, for proving to us that not all wealthy people are uncaring souls.
love the part about how education and healthcare MUST be public
No thanks...
Even for quite well-off people, health care can be crippling expensive in the USA. ❤
Our medical system in the USA is set up to guarantee that if you are very ill, old, or had a serious accident (aka in need of care) you will have to bankrupt yourself and your family to get the care you need. Knowing this I have it written in every legal document that under no circumstances am I to be put in the hospital, and care given or anything that will prolong life. I've seen where this leads. It is simply reality. A Distant Mirror is one of my go to nourishing spots 😊. What a great panel❤
They don't even compensate family if you donate organs upon death. Why? I'm sure they'd love to bring up how much it costs to perform extractions and store them should one of us have the gall to ask for compensation of some kind. You know what their answer is? 'You're helping someone else. That should be enough'. Well, where is that sentiment for people who can't afford medical care? You know, 'you're helping someone else. That should be enough', right?
Private health care is for profit and it is very good at making a lot profit it is not to maintain health .
A distant mirror
The calamitous 14th century
Barbara Tuckman
Great conversation and wonderful question Raul as always ❤
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Great interview! I was surprised hearing Yannis explain how even the neoliberal economists knew private healthcare could not function. Would be great to get an example of such textbooks.
We didn’t get to hear what nourishes Raoul 😢 Amazing discussion. Beautiful people, all three of you. And of course everyone who watched this ❤ ✊
Hey I"m Rhonda!😜
Later in the podcast: the truck driver was my dad ( in essence) . I have to say in the case of my dad, he was never able to accept that we are all vunerable creatures and need. That man is disavowing his vunerability for himself and by proxy others. In the case of my dad, because of this he never had good relationships with anyone...his wife, his children, anyone. We all need and there is nothing wrong with that. Gently getting this through to the truck driver is vital. Allowing everyone to suffer in order to keep him from what we all have to face is not doing him or the rest of us a favor.
Chapo: hell on earth podcast for history
This ideology of “every man for himself” is toxic and creates a sickness that spreads and destroys communities. Every man should be taught to handle their own affairs but to also participate and help the community in which they live. It’s a balance of give and take, and if done properly everyone benefits. People should be encouraged to help out, but the government should also help its citizens, first by not taxing to the point where people are financially stressed, and secondly by making sure that most of the taxes collected go right back into the communities to provide good quality public services one of which should be Health Insurance. Every man should be trained to stand alone, but also trained to be a valuable member of their community, and to accept help when needed so they can continue to be strong for as long as possible.
Rhonda, I highly recommend you to read “What’s the matter with Kansas?” By Thomas Frank
@@siamakgarmroudi4779 Thank you, I know Frank and have listened to him speak. He has a lot of helpful insights.
I’m astounded that in an hour long conversation on health care that no one mentioned the debacle of the last four years! I encourage listeners to look into the Covid inquiry hearings in England, Scotland and Canada.
I't a shame what Raeganism has done to Americans, the old truck driver would rather his life be destroyed than accept any help to get in the way of his pride (as a man, a provider, an independant human being), when in fact humans ARE social creatures by their very nature! So this idea of extreme individualism to the point of self-harm is frankly really sad to see.
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And the grotesque paradox is that this ideological hypertrophic individualism is truly destructive of individuality and of the individual. Public health care would have freed the Idaho truck driver from the stress and anguish of bankruptcy, and its after-effects on the rest of his life ( his relationships with members of his family; being forced to come out of retirement and take steroids that are badly affecting his health). Maybe Yanis could have gently prodded into the truck driver's notion of 'individuality' and showed him (with no guarantee of success) how not only self-contradictory (which is a theoretical argument) but self-defeating his concept of individualism it was. That in the end, his notion of 'individualism' was not leaving him with 'dignity' and 'pride' but forcing him into work that is damaging his health and his standing in the world.
Thank you for these fabulous guests. I am saving up to get the series
Love Rob Delaney - utter mensch
Yes, and I didn't realise he had moved to Britain. He should present 'Have I Got News For You'! He'd be brilliant 😁
This actually puts into question the whole allopathic mecanistic health medical system itself and it's relation to money and capitalistic hierarchy, and in the end, education
Yeah well that has been in question since the barbar surgeons.
was not expecting this combo but definitely here for it!
Im so sorry and impressed by your strength sir after child passed.
Great. I love this podcast
ahh i love you all so much ...thank you as always for such wonderful, thoughtful conversations... i would go further and say that humor is the only thing that can disempower power ..remove the deep fear that tyrannical power generates unconsciously in all of us ..the internal oppressive effect of power and disempowering power is essential to become free ..only when we recognize that the powerful are not as omnipotent as they present themselves can we find the courage and the internal freedom to act in our own, and our fellow travelers, interests
i often think of the poem my father would read to me as a child , Shelley's Ozymandius to remember how power is really in the minds of those who wield it and when we embrace the vital idea that wonderful Yanis reminds us, that we do good for the hell of it and then if we lose our fear of power we become powerful agents of change, maybe we become a martyr, but we will be a free, empowered light filled being as we are meant to be ..i think xx
I've known far too many older Americans like the man who was so hopelessly clueless about how the churches and rich have never deserved the deference he gives them, and I've got seven years on Delaney.
I just watched the first episode of your documentary!
Followed by this !
Thank you!
Thank you for another enlightening great conversation. I would love to hear Yanis and Raoul speak about Whitney Webbs book, one nation under blackmail. Im confused that it is cast in to the conspiracy bin as she gives good evidence in my limited understanding. I would sooo love some clarity with regards to this, as would many I think. Love this podcast and share it far and wide...Thank you for it.
Excellent. Thank you ❤
Love you Rob
The truck driver has been thoroughly brain washed. The propagandists have done an outstanding job making people believe in something that goes against their best interests.
That's the Tory party right there, too.
I'm guessing then that the trucker that didn't want any kind of nationalized insurance insisted on driving exclusively on toll roads?
Interesting discussion thank you
I work in private healthcare in the UK. As soon as your case becomes at all long-term or complicated, private insurance drops you like a hot stone, unless, of course, you are paying them north of £800 a month. Then you're one of their cash cows. Still, though, if you're costing them too much, they'll dump you. I've seen it again and again, and am plotting my escape out of the sector BC I can't stand it.
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Wow.... that's an eye opener! I thought the UK had a good system
Australia's heading down a similar path. While there are more public options available if you're a pensioner or disabled, medicare is being dismantled piece by piece.
It is global greed
It's interesting to hear you're planning on leaving private healthcare.
I thought it was going the other way, and that that was one reason for the mass vacancy problem in the NHS.
It gives me hope.
Private insurance cannot throw you off anymore. But now what they do is they give you consumer driven healthcare where you pay a 1big premium and you have a huge deductible. I have Medicare that everyone thinks is "free" as you pay for it all your life but can only get it at age 65. I pay $179 a month for just doctor visits and tests outside the hospital. To be fair I get hospitalizations for no premium. But I still have to pay more for vision, dental and prescriptions to a private insurance company. And those $0 plans from insurance companies can cost more as you pay co pays for everything. Private is a scam and make medicine into a business not a profession so doctors tend to prescribe a pill for everything when diet, exercise and counselling could solve the problem. But then well people doing those things does not generate money. It is truly disgraceful.
I see that all the time the damage this has done to pts, we nocebo everything and over diagnosed and scare people into getting unnecessary procedures or medications which just make the matters worse for there predicament. Sad to see.
30% have no family dr, its normal to wait 12 hrs in emergency to be seen. Its terrible and we pay huge amounts for it.
If I didn’t delete all my social media, I’d follow Rob. A great guy and saying important stuff.
Welfare avoidance is the cowboy way. It's a stupid kind of "freedom" where I'd rather die than admit I need help.
But Help in the usa for a lot of people means bankruptcy for that family. It's a sad thing where you live in a country that cares more about other countries than its own people.
Health insurance companies sign people up to pay health insurance *on condition that* they don't. fall. ill. If as it turns out they do fall ill - and we all know how random ill-health can be - and they fall serious ill or develop chronic health problems, then suddenly it isn't profitable to insure them. All these companies want is their monthly premiums! Do people know how expensive healthcare is? It's like having to take out a mortgage, only it isn't for a house, but for healthcare! God forbid this becomes the norm in the UK: many many people will die as a result. For these companies it isn't about the wellbeing of the public but about amassing phenomenal profits. Therefore the fact that the UK government thinks this health model is one the UK should adopt is beyond insanity.
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Ironically the advert YT put before this show was for the f--ing Sunday Times!!
Thank you for the brilliant discussions. I’d like to add two notes to contribute:
1. In the US, instead of a “Healthcare System”, there is a successful, profit focused “Disease Management System”. So, the healthcare services difference between the modern, civilized world and the US should be analyzed from a comparative, systems perspective.
2. To understand the real life difference between the capitalist, neoliberal healthcare and the population-based, social justice focused healthcare, we need to leave Euro-centric analyses and look for a real-life comparisons from the Global South. For example, comparing healthcare, health indicators, and health outcomes between two states of India, socialist Kerala and neoliberal Gujarat would be a refreshing perspective.
I just tried to switch primary care doctors here in Los Angeles and the next good one that's available is in August so that's 4 months out...
Un sistema público está basado en la solidaridad. Los beneficiarios son personas que pueden o no tener dinero para pagar eso servicios. Así una persona cuya familia es sin techo puede acceder a una educación o a un médico que le permita tener educación y salud. De esta manera la sociedad se evita promocionar la mala educación, la enfermedad, la delincuencia, la prostitución, la drogadicción, etc., se mejora la especie humana. Nadie desea caminar por las calles sorteando niños que no van al cole, o peleas con brutos sin educación.
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No one deserves a position they are in, but suffering is still going on and it always will because not to many people care. System is killing everyone.
Can we really create community within this class ridden experience? Getting the media to be open to real dialogue? Continuing to care for each other in the U K. ? No rugged Cowboy narrative in the U K, thank the lord.
Music with me as well, exclusive of watching you guys.
People like the truck driver can't realize that we share the cost of the infrastructure and gift of the natural resource commons for a very few untaxed individuals to profit from and they should give back at a higher rate to the collective for being able to use the collective to glean so much.
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Re man in the bar and talking to people who disagree fundamentally with you: Yanis was right to say that it was like indulting his religion, he may as well have done. There is really good training by the Hearing Voices Network aimed at helping mental health workers work with people experiencing voice or vision thar other people can't see, but it's honestly the best training in how to communicate politics in such polarised environments
The problem illustrated in the truck driver example is the truck driver may not have made the link between how rich people make their money and the crappy health system the driver has experienced.
I hear people make variations of the Idaho trucker's argument somewhat regularly, and it really is stunning. You're just gobsmacked, you don't know how to respond, and I think I finally figured out why. It's so incongruous to hear such a tough, forthright, rugged tone and demeanor describing what is... essentially... just sycophancy. It's so incongruous to hear toadying presented with such machismo.
Honest question. What would Nassim Taleb think of Yanis ?
Que pena que no esté subtitulado
A veces, los subtítulos aparecen un par de días después de la publicación del vídeo. Revisar otra vez. Los subtítulos están disponibles.
This is one of the most important political subjects, how do we dismantle neoliberalism and go back to a capitalist system that included property funding public health, public education, publicly accessed public works… how do we dismantle the absurd neoliberal system?
In 2001 I went into kaiser emergency room with a badly sprained ankle and the nurse who put me in a wheelchair promptly wheeled my leg and broken ankle into the door frame.
I washing to lawn something here. But nearly the entire first quarter of an hour is simple self-congratulation/ Tedious.
In 2017 I went into LA Kaiser with a badly injured knee and they only did an x-ray and said nothing was broken, then they sent me away with no referrals and I had to fight for an MRI to prove that I had a snapped ACL for 3 months. I had to threaten to sue and then got the MRI which proved the injury. The first doc they saddled me with was 80 and thought I could live with it and I demanded to see a sports medicine knee surgeon immediately who worked on professional athletes. He said I should have had surgery that week and that if I was a young child or a sports professional I would have gotten surgery immediately. I told him I was a 40-year-old woman and I am a professional dancer and Kaiser completely neglected me. 3 months of negligence for broken knee.
Rob Delaney! No way!!! 😁
So glad you're speaking about this. Whether or not you have medi cal which is free insurance in California or extremely expensive $1500 a month PPO blue cross anthem or kaiser you get the same doctors and the same c***** service. I went into UCLA Podiatry last Friday and the patient rooms were covered in dead toenails and foot scum from bodies, Fabric chairs covered in bodies stains and dust and vinyl exam tables disintegrating as if they haven't been changed in 30 years. It was a bio hazard nightmare. The abuse from USC and UCLA is so ubiquitous that they have both had to pay hundreds of millions and billions of dollars for sexual assault crimes caused by their doctors and decades of cover up. So they're having to pay out for lawsuits and militarized police but not provide clean facilities for patients....🤪🤑🙄😬🤧🥵
I think Corporations are driving the change of NHS from public to private, if this is the case what does that say about the who and what we the people vote for. I do not want this and I have never voted for this or said this is what I want. I suspect that that is the case for the large majority of voting people in the UK
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I know of three people this year who left Canada and got hip replacement in one month , after waiting 18 months just to see the surgeon, never mind have surgery
Keep in mind how long the waiting period would be for people that can't afford the surgery in a place like the US. I am American, but I know a couple people with insurance, but who have still travelled overseas for surgery since February because of low/no coverage.
All in all taking every part of the health care systems into account Canadians still live three years longer than U.S citizens.
What people at the end wouldn't do for a day more, let alone 3 years more with their loved ones.
All these moments stolen from millions of people by insurance companies.
@@FirstnameLastname-kn5sw Let alone that no Canadians go bankrupt because of medical debt, while hundreds of thousands of Americans WITH PRIVATE INSURANCE do.
Before the scummy corporate parties in the UK (Tories and right-wing Labour) started doing exactly what the private health insurance lobbies want in return for their money, our NhS had NO QUEUES to talk of. I'm old enough to remember that 14 years ago you could see your GP the next day (or even the same day, if you went after 4:00 pm and did not mind waiting). You could see a consultant at the hospital (all owned by our NhS) within 2 weeks max. of seeing your GP. To allow the public health system to collapse has been a political decision led by the professional political class' ties to private anomic interests. It is sad that you have no idea what a blessing it is to have a proper NhS, how much it frees you (and your family) from anxieties that have nothing to do with the state of your health. It is sadder still that both the main political parties (corporate cesspools) in the UK are sending us the way of barbaric USA, instead of recovering the good state our NhS used to be. There should be millions in the street demonstrating against this scam perpetrated against the British people (or English people, I should say, for Scotland, having a different regional government, has refused to do to the NhS there -despite the budget being controlled by the government in Westminster, and all the problems that has created in Scotland too- what the old scumbags are doing, and the new scumbags will be doing, to our NhS here in England).
Good point by Yanis about Bernie Sanders. I hope that Jeremy Corbyn will do the opposite and join forces with progressives outside Labour.
Put Dr. Shiva on....
My worry with political comedy is that once a serious issue is delivered and laughed at, it seems to be easier to forget or easily set aside the message. Sometimes I think political comedy is appealing to short attention span people who either do not have the time to absorb the facts unless they come in a short hand version. It serves a purpose, but doesn't really solve the real issue which is a lack of in depth investigation on the part of the public. Then again its less painful to laugh off something than to face it head on. Maybe that is ok too.
Americans, we're all just temporally frustrated millionaires.
Know thyself. Learn from history. Understand the most important votes are the ones we make every day with our money. Every purchase a vote for the power in the supply chain behind it.
Yes!
I went to the Eden Project in Cornwall once - it's an environment park that imagines new futures for environment protection) - and there was a sign in the shop there with a chainsaw tied to it that read "Your wallet is your weapon".
I've never forgotten the power of my money as my vote.
Corbyn still lives rent free in most of the MPS and MSM head. Barb
Bernie didn’t stay in the Democratic Party. He switched back to being an Independent.
I would be death 5 years ago if there wasn't a state health system in my country, Brasil , as well many friends and members of my family
I'm a leftie and some of this man's arguments appeal to me. But what stops me from supporting Varoufakis is a couple of questions that remain unanswered: 1. Did he speak about "Polish nazis"? Because as it happens, I'm Polish. My grandfather was a slave labourer in Germany during WW2. His whole family was taken to Siberia by the Soviets, most of them didn't return. I will not have anyone, no matter how eloquent, to lie about the history of my nation. 2. His party's Instagram page is filled with support for Palestine. That's ok. But why there's not even a word about Ukraine? Does that mean that his party is against Israel killing Palestinians but okay with Russia killing Ukrainians?
I won't waste my time talking to the truckdriver. Perhaps he's been brought up in the pride of being independent. To have to "beg" for help is the very antithesis of his American pride. Anyway, not every one thinks like this. Those who can't save their children from a treatable ailment because one has no money, shouldn't hold on to pride. It's not a reflection of your "manhood". I believe this is a cultural (albeit American) thingie.
The UK Government propoganda machine does use comedian's and humour to belittle there opposition or people/ groups who disagree or offer a different perspective.
Quiet word, do you think Bernie was nobbled? I’d never live in USA too scary. Barb
Two points: private sector competition could drive prices down. Was not mentioned.
Second about Gaza, which is off topic, if I may. What's the working definition of Genocide here? Let me say I feel hurt with the war and the innocent people who have died .
"Private sector competition "
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The guest barely scratched the surface of what's wrong with American "health insurance." No mention of co-pays, huge "deductibles," in-network and out-of-network, insane costs of diagnostic tests, very long waiting periods, etc etc etc.
Not ALL Thatcher said and was wrong at that time. Yoi are too young to HAVE EXPERIENED THAT PERIOD. I DO. I AM 75.
Well, my dad is 85 and he hates Thatcher. He was a civil servant but she privatised his job. We all know someone who's 75 or older.
Thatcher decimated the UK economy by saying society didn't exist, and set everyone up to fight for themselves, selling off national assets that weren't hers to sell. If you're fine, great. If you're not, tough, it's your fault. Get on your bike.
Britain is drowning in the legacy of that kind of societal self-harm via neo-liberalism, privatisation and corporate greed. And it's one of the progenitors of the debacle of Brexit.
@@PeppermintPattiesagreed. My father is dead now but until his fitting day he hated Thatcher. He was a miner and saw what she did to the mining industry and particularly the miners themselves. She simply didn’t care about their lives at all.
Nobody said that Thatcher did it well selling most good British I dustry. On the other hand, people should never expect to constantly 'be helped' as many, too msny, thought once they had 'civiles servant' job, thst was it! Not always dufficient self determination. That is bad for the economy. I detests careless uno trolled capitalism, but I equally find Communist ATTITUDES terrible for a healthy competitive society. One thing is sure: the NHS and good free education IS VITAL for EVERYONE to live freely and properly. Retrete approaches to politics distroy innovación and prosperity for all. By the way, I have many British who are 85 to 90.
Ref. Thatcher, one has to recognise also the good things dhe did. Before she went to power £1 was worth 115 Peseyas!!! Basically, pathetically low. The left at the time, allowed strike after strike to ruin the country. Too long to write it here...
Jonathan Pie is political and funny, but it’s not like it used to be. Barb
Sorry, you critisice, ok, BUT Y. You do not explain SOLUTIONS!!!!!
I think my previous reply was deleted. I said something against the capitalist algorithm, lolz...
In Britain, you can check out We Own It, Keep Our NHS Public, or Open Democracy. Lots of petitions to sign, too.
And use the NHS. If you don't have to go private, use it and treasure it!
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It's disgraceful how can they get away with not paying for all your medical expenses $130 a week. Surely the Law is on the public's side?
In England there's a new People's Health Alliance - Working in concert with the food and farming alliance, which is a consortium of alternative and naturopathic doctors and practitioners that do free to cheap work while the NHS has failed and a new branch has just been opened in the US!! 🎉onward!🏞🍓💥