Why WestJet Flew 20-Year-Old 767s
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- Опубликовано: 5 дек 2020
- In 2015 and 2016, WestJet Airlines of Canada took delivery of four Boeing 767s, all formerly flown by Australian flag carrier Qantas.
Although the decision to buy a small fleet of used 767s may seem bizarre, they served a very important role for WestJet, as a way for them to test the waters of transatlantic flying.
Although all four aircraft are no longer with WestJet, it’s worth looking back on the past 5 years with these aircraft, and this widebody experiment as a whole.
This is the WestJet 767 story.
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Just yesterday I drove next to my hometown airport (Mexico City) and I saw one of ex WestJet 767 being convert to freighter!
20 years isn’t really that old for a commercial plane and the 767 still gets the job done safely and efficiently. The end.
I agree, Boeing should've kept building the passenger variant, but with newer engines.
@@m.hstudioproductions6642 It would have been stupid at the time .. with the B787 (same size) being in production...
Especially the 767-400.
was positively surprised when I flew Westjet 767 LGW-YYZ back in 2016 I guess.
The cabin was pretty modern for an older aircraft. Would love to try their new 787 in Business
I've flown their 787-9 from YYC to LGW and back in economy, and it is a superb aircraft.
First I have to say 2020 has been a challenging year for the airline industry. How ever that said I originally booked 2 different dates back to Canada from London which were cancelled. My third attempt to fly was thwarted because I couldn't get a connection into Gatwick to make the connection for my 787-9. So wasn't impressed with their hub choice of Gatwick for trans Atlantic flights. I also wasn't impressed by the 5 plus hour lay over in Toronto before flying to western Canada landing 15 mins after my last connection of the day had departed resulting in overnight in Vancouver before a 45 min connection to YLW the next day. By contrast I flew the competition which was a 787-9 and was home in 15 1/2 hr compared to West Jet from Gatwick taking over 33 hr travel time. So no matter the plane if they don't reduce the connection lay overs from UK the route isn''t recommended.
Great Video, I work for WestJet and my new role is primarily coordinating 787 turns, very happy for the experience the 767's gave me back then. Keep up the good content!
Very informative. I still think that the 767 economy seating was the most comfortable of any widebody.
That and the fact that there's only one middle seat per row...I will always prefer a 767 to a 787 for that reason.
layout.
Exactly. You can't beat the 2-3-2 layout.
@@awuma YES! 767 is the bestest. That's also what i LOVED about the CS300. 2+3 in a single aisle is also the best.
Fantastic video! Thanks for sharing it Alex.
Aside from flying them a couple times to Hawaii and back I’ll never forget when the one headed to London had the unruly passenger and got put in a hold to burn off fuel at 10000ft. Flew over my farm 4 times. Sounded crazy!!
Your channel is great for everybody who is interested in Canadian aviation. Cheers from Austria!
Awesome video Alex. Missing flying them here in Australia. The 767 is a great aircraft!
Great job Alex, happy to see this video and happy it was a success for Westjet.
Really nice videography! I enjoy your stuff.
I really enjoyed maintaining on our WJ 67's ! Thank you for your great videos Alex.
Really nice wrap-up Alex !
Normally, I fly AC - but I hopped a WestJet 767 from YYZ to LGW back in 2017 when heading to the arctic region in Finland for a few weeks.. on the way home I was then able to do a DUB-YYT-YHZ-YYZ-YQT route on a 737 with an overnight in St. John's for fun! Honestly, a 737 transatlantic wasn't terrible!
Also, didn't know that the 767s were retrofitted in Lake Charles! Great town - those crawfish were delicious...
Another awesome vid, cheers from Edmonton.
The 767 is my favorite Aircraft
Really informative and helpful
I Love this Video History on Westjet B767's is Awesome keep going Alex!!!!!!!
In the early fall of 2016 (?) my sister in law flew a 767 from YYZ - LGW. At the same time my wife & I flew from YYZ-YHZ-GLA on a 737. I initially wish we had flown into Gatwick as well. The thought of a 737 from Toronto to Glasgow seemed like a back ache in the making. Turned out the 737 trip with a 90 minute stop in YHZ was actually great. We had a nice dinner at YHZ. The return trip was really good as we cleared customs in Halifax. My sister in law’s s 767 had a mechanical problem and she was stuck in London for a week.
Very well made video!
Very interesting film, I watched Westjet operating out of Gatwick with the 767 until 2019, I think?
They then moved to the NEO last year. Still operate the 737/700 to Dublin and Glasgow.
Sweet.
Another awesome video!!!
Finally someone who pronluced Newfoundland right, im glad it made it to ur channel
It's a Canadian channel so I would hope he's pronouncing NL correctly!
Yeah, it seems that only us Canadians can pronounce it properly haha
@@thebigdog360 yeah
So, the correct pronunciation is New Finland ? ;)
@@nikolaykrotov8673 Yes, pretty much. Just put an emphasis on the LAND, not like how you would usually say Finland as “Fin-Lind”
Very interesting Alex. Thank you for sharing that with us...:):):)
Flew on them twice from YVR to LGW. Way better than the Transat Airbus A330 experience I had on the same route.
Love your channel and format. Gosh I could listen to you for hours! (and perfect cadence).
Im happy that I got to see a WestJet 767 when I flew to punta cana. Im sad I wont be able to see one again
Ummm, anyone else notice that the main landing gear is missing a wheel at 5:05?
Probably one of the 'few hiccups' he was talking about at that moment
Great content
This vid was great i subbed ;)
My first flight was on a 767 on air Canada from Calgary to Maui and I flew these aircraft lots I have so many great memory’s of this aircraft and it’s sad to see it go. I flew this on westjet 6 times every time was enjoyable
@Creeguy Vernon that’s super cool I never had the chance to fly them but the 767 I have flown more times than a 737
I worked at WestJet from 2007-2020 (pandemic ended my career) I saw all this up very closely ...
Great video
Was able to see the WestJet 767 on the tarmac at Glasgow when it was diverted due to a snowstorm in 2018
Looking very nice.
5:06 is nobody gonna talk about how there missing a tire or the left main xD
westjet just replaced its 737 route from YVR to Toronto with one of their 787's nice to see a widebody westjet at YVR
glad they went on to more use rather than the fate of many excess aircraft, being broken up like some of the A-380's that were younger than these 767's were.
I flew on one of these from London to Orlando (via Toronto). Back in 2016 you had a great chance of having your flight refunded as this route was notorious for huge delays.
Beautiful 767 with sharklet.
I’m happy to have had them in Montego Bay.
Flew a WJ 767 from Montego Bay to Toronto in 2019. The aircraft was a bit was tired and dated I recall.
Condor still uses them as their long haul jet, most are older than those.
I know, since I work for them!
Nice video
I worked on these 767’s from 2017-2019 when i was doing my apprenticeship.I went to the Art Smith Aero Centre btw
Westjet's newest livery is really nice but the idea of having a western replacement for Canadian Airlines International has been a strange experience. Sometimes the Westjet fares are too good to be true at least by Canadian standards but the real weakness of their system is connections. Either they are so tight that you risk arriving at the gate and are immediately boarding, or worse you missed your connection, or you wait countless hours until your second flight or sometimes they cancel your connection altogether. Retreating from Atlantic Canada means Westjet is no longer a national airline, rather it is just another well back of the pack Canadian airline. Its market share is a distant number two which positions it so far from any notion of competing for number one status. The 767's were its first foray into European routes. All four of them. That was a long time to wait to try to do what Transat does in superior fashion.
Nice airplane. When the 767 came out in the early 80's, it pretty well spear headed the whole ETOPS process. Kind of ironic it was an issue to get certified with West Jet.
It's not necessarily just the jet itself that needs ETOPS. The company and flight crew also need to be certified, and they didn't have any ETOPS routes to begin with so needed to go through the entire process to get the certification.
The aircraft were ETOPS certified. The company wasn’t.
There is a whole lot more to ETOPS approval than a plane that can do it. The system of maintenance must be up to scratch as well.
Ill miss them!
Thanks for making the video! I had a chance to fly on the 767 last year and was surprised to be on one at the time and was told it was an old Quantas jet in its past life. I thoroughly enjoyed the experience and had a feeling it would be the last time I flew a 767 as there just aren’t as many anymore.
No "U" in Qantas! Originally an acronym for Queensland And Northern Territory Aerial Services.
One made a special cargo trip here to Philadelphia last summer
Did anyone else notice that one of the wheels were missing off the left bogey at 5:02
Could you record the video about YWG-LGW?
Was landing at Dublin, RWY10 after hopping over from JFK on a good ole Airbus A330 named Shamrock. Good thing I was seated on the left otherwise I would've missed the WestJet B737 holding short waiting for T/O. Could not believe my eyes! Now I understand why.
Interestingly B767-300ER still offers one of the lowest per trip cost amongst widebody aircraft these days, even lower than its successor the B787 due to its significantly lower MTOW and engine thrust.
The B767 desperately needs a replacement from both airbus and boeing but the NMA is nowhere near the horizon, only but a dream. The closest possibility is the A330neo, but unfortunately the A330-800 is overly capable and cost as much to operate as the larger A330-900. If only airbus would fit the GEnX-2B67 engine on the A330-800, that would have made a significant difference.
QF really look after their equipment though.
I'm glad I've got a WestJet 767 gemini 1:400 model
Ugh! I wish I had one so bad!
i have one as well
What do you use for maps?
I have flown the Calgary to Hawaii on West Jet many times
I actually flew one from Toronto to Calgary, oddly
They're ex Qantas 767's. I flew on them many times between Melbourne and Sydney and Brisbane.
While totally unrelated, in 2019 Canada bought 25 used F18 Hornet jets from Australia.
Which, btw are not compatible with the current worn down fleet. Something to keep in mind come election day.
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Nice video! What's the matter with the landing 767 at about 5.02? Is it missing a wheel or a tire?
Correct.
I used to see the WS 767 land at Maui
Qantas is know for their superb maintenance, so it's odd that the 767s would have mechanical issues so soon after leaving the airline. Were they improperly stored during their conversions?
They never had the issues until converted.
I always love to fly in a 767, even today I would
It’s funny the buy ex Qantas air craft and there motto in the aircraft is spirit of Canada
2 of them are flying in Canada for CargoJet
glad to thear they will live for more years as freight
I worked for the catering company servicing Westjet until March and the "virus". I've been in pretty much every tail Westjet has and these 67's were beat up were in need of service regularly it seemed lol. 767 was a great plane though.
I would have orderd 787s for this although they have it now
Why did they need ETOPS? I thought the aircraft itself was certified when they where new?
They may not have been certified when they were in Australia, or they might have needed to be recertified for Transport Canada
They definitely flew overseas with Qantas, but the 767s needed to be certified with Transport Canada since it was a new aircraft type for WS.
Damn I never flew on them
US states need to market new destinations attractive to Canooks, so other overseas destinations don't lure them away. We can keep living off LAS,SFO, Florida and NYC forever.
I’ve seen WestJets flying east
I Love Flying with Westjet Boeing Fleet of B737-700 I hope too fly on there Boeing 737-800's Next right after the COVID-19 Pandemic passes!!!!!
You’ll be flying the MAX8.
I wonder if WESTJET said "Sorry" a lot to their passengers when flights were delayed and canceled.
😆 They notoriously did not. They had some SERIOUS issues.
I would rather fly 767-3 or 4 in economy (2-3-2) over any 787 (3-3-3) All benefits of passenger comfort goes out the window with a 3-3-3 configuration. 787 cabin width is 2' 6" (.79m) wider but they added 2 seats with that.
Awsome video, it will be very intresting how Westjet will develop in the next years. Longhaul demand most likely will be down for some time, but maybe they will also use some MAX with a true premium Cabin like Copa Airlines or FlyDubai.
Speaking about trans atlantic 737 flights of West jet, this would also make a good story for a video in my opinion. They were one of the first carriers to use 737-700 tu fly transatlantic even before Norwegian and later added also 737MAX flights before the grounding. Maybe tzey switch some -7 orders for the -9 with extra tanks and could fly routes up to 6500km+ :)
If you cound Iceand as transatlantic, Icelandair was probably the first to use the 737 on transatlantic routes. They used the 737-400 for a while on Keflavik-Halifax many years ago.
They flew 20 year old 767's because they are MUCH better than brand new Airbuses.
Now WestJet has 787s
Ayo
I have flown on a qantas 767 cause i live in australia
Um, what did I just saw on the rudder of the plane at 5:58
A scene from Frozen, which Westjet had on their jets.
Why show a film of a Qantaa A380 instead of a 767?
I want to know which flights of WestJets are now permanently cancelled now that the 767s are retired. Or will those flights all move to the 787?
If COVID does not affect anything, then I believe that all routes will remain the same. But, some may be cancelled just due to low demand and or travel restrictions regarding the pandemic.
Canada has a deal where we take all of Australia's ancient Boeing legacy planes. As is.
5:04 missing a wheel perfectly sums it up.
time to say goodbye 767 thanks
I like that Westjet has the slogan “The spirit of Canada” on their 787s ... feels kind of like an Hommage to Qantas since they somewhat made the purchase of the 787 possible by initially selling their 767s
Its not. That slogan has been on there for a decade plus.
Carriers are still purchasing old A320's from 1994, so how is this any different?
Nobody said it was any different
Too bad they got rid of such good work horses. The new stuff produced by Boeing, in my opinion, is questionable. I find myself picking flights that typically have older planes as I feel much safer in them.
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I don’t know if we can call the 767 program a success. Learning experience would be more appropriate IMHO. Westjet showed how NOT to initiate a wide body aircraft into the fleet by doing almost everything wrong at the initial stages of the program. When they finally got their act together, it was too little too late; their reputation had been tarnished. It’s a good thing the 787 saved the day. Hopefully other airlines will take advantage of the lessons learned from the 767 debacle. Thanks for a very informative and interesting video.
Very good comment, and thank-you for it. Indeed, I think WestJet did not have their logistics well planned and managed before acquiring the 767's, especially when making the jump from short-haul to long-haul operations. I have a lot of speculations as to why the maintenance debacle occurred, and it has mostly to do with contemporary "management" operations prevalent among many organizations. Nevertheless, again, thank-you for your comment.
Thank-you Alex for keeping us Americans appraised of Canadian airline operations. We are hard pressed for Canadian news down here. Unfortunately, due to some health issues, I have not been able to review my “RUclips” videos for some time (not due to Covid, so you do not have to wear your mask when reading this comment - JUST KIDDING!). I just have one criticism, sir. Since I last heard one of your posts, your narrative technique has changed, and it is very choppy. It is not smooth flowing and sounds as if you stopped recording it between statements. Despite me enjoying your news, your manner of speech was a bit distracting.
Any, I do digress… Back in the mid 1990’s and early 2000’s, I did most of my business traveling, which included overseas flights to Europe. Except for a few flights, my trips were exclusively on 767’s, and the aircraft still remains my favorite wide-body. Essentially, it was just large enough so that loading and unloading passengers was still done most efficiently. But, there are so many reasons I loved the aircraft that are just too enumerable to describe in the allotted space.
I think WestJet was very wise to purchase the 767’s despite the age of that fleet. As you most likely know, the chronological age of an aircraft has nothing to do with its life cycle. Especially given the aerodynamic upgrades to the aircraft, i.e. winglets, et al, purchasing a used 767 is unbelievably less expensive than a new aircraft, even though it might require the periodic, overhaul maintenance in which the aircraft is practically rebuilt and other maintenance aspects. So, for many other reasons, I think WestJet did make a good decision to break into the long-haul market with the 767.
I have replied to others about the maintenance problems they had, which was a most regrettable logistical oversight on the part of someone. Without going into the details, that problem should have never occurred.
Again, thank-you for your post. I really enjoyed it, and it was very refreshing to view it after my long absence. I do look forward to your next video.
I noticed you only had 41 likes. Here's 42
You failed to mention WS originally was in talks with Airbus for new A330s while they were talking with Boeing about 787s. Airbus had a better delivery schedule than Boeing, so Boeing promised to "find" them 767s to hold them over and secure the deal for 787s. It obviously backfired since the 767s were junk.
The 767's were a huge mistake by the then CEO and an example of his cheap leadership; just like the Plus seats and attempt to outsource cheap pilots for Swoop. They at least needed widebodies for their Calgary to Hawaii routes, so the excuse that they wanted to test the market was laughable. It was very "bizarre" that they took 4 old used aircrafts and maxed out the flying from 5 cities to London with no spares. How is that a trial? If it truly was a trial they should have only operated 2 a day instead of forcing all 4 into service with no room for error. With the strength of their network; and success of their Hawaii and Dublin routes, that should have been enough info to go ahead and lease or buy new 787 from the beginning.
Very astute comment, and thank-you for raising this point. Without going into details, there is no longer the art of leadership practiced among businesses these days (or they are very rare). Leadership has been replaced by management. In essence, bosses need to un-ensconce their posteriors from their palatial offices and boardrooms, and walk around where the blue collar work is being done. I could write a book on leadership vs. management, but I'm guessing that apart from my mother, I would not sell too many copies. Thank-you again for your comment.
The boeing 767 are better maid aircraft they have never had any fatality since the 9/11 and Cathy Pacific ran out of fuel.
Excuse me, but all this ETOPS certification snafu sounds like regulatory red tape to me. Did Air Canada have a hand in this too?!
The regulations had existed long before.
We care about this …. Why ?!
Too many ads. I'm thinking of dropping You Tube for this reason.
use adblock its free and they dont earn from you
These things were complete pieces of crap and WJ did little to appease the pissed off, stranded customers. Repeat issues, repeat cancellations.
They literally went with the bargain basement MRO facility and got exactly that, ships that were lucky to not fall from the sky - and were hangar queens as the rework on shoddy heavy maintenance ate into any potential profits.
Yes, the service improved years later, but boy, those first years were a joke for pax.