I’ve never seen someone so thoroughly rinsed on one of these streams as Ihsaan was tonight lol. It was almost comedic if the context wasn’t so sad. Towards the end he was literally trying to run away and dip from the stream entirely due to being so mercilessly cornered. The funny thing is, comparing the glee he had on his face after he thought he “one upped” the Muslims with his silly argument to the several agonising faces he was making as he tried to make a grand escape from the corner his own world view put him in. That was truly telling to watch in every sense of the word and any atheist watching that should be ready to take some lessons from it.
Remember him last time? Thought he was so clever with asking the panel if they could have their own country and what law they would establish….😂 He ended up having to ‘move away’😂😂😂😭😭😭😭the country he would have established with his own laws, when pressed and asked….he would’ve had to leave!🤣😭😭😭😭
@@Tislyfe Haha I remember that too. The guy is a walking, breathing definition of inconsistency. I honestly can’t recall someone who is so continuously and completely befuddled by his own world views and philosophies as he is lol
All praises to Allah and may Allah bless and reward the gladiators it says in the Hadith that the barefooted Bedouin are going to in the future start competing with one another by building building buildings that are so high and that is ironic because the Bedouins were like nomads and they were just like traveling they didn't even have so this prophecy is amazing when you know where the tallest buildings in the Middle East in Saudi Arabia and the companion Abu bakr and the prophet Muhammad were in seclusion and the pagans the idolaters the disbelievers had of their homes and there was a bounty out on them anyone that was with the prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him saw the man who was knowing where the prophet Muhammad was followed close enough p he was close enough that he could hear the prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him say when he was after him to to get the that was 0 stimulus stipulated by the disbelievers that whoever brings him dead or alive that this amount will be for you 100% and he had figured out his location and every time he got closer and closer his ride would throw him off p and his ride threw him off three times 0p it was close enough that he could see them and he could hear the prophet Muhammad this person who was trying to get the 100 bounty bounty p he told him do you know that you are going to be wearing the bracelets of kisara k i s r a this was what he would wear the Persian king and so he stopped because he knew he couldn't catch them the horse kept p years later he accepted and became a Muslim and one day after many years he had passed away the prophet Muhammad and the successor Umar p had the bounty in his hands after the fall of the Persian king and in the for the bracelets of kisra so he took them out and he put them on that individual when he was trying to get the 100 camel as a bounty and now he got the bracelets of k i s r a and not just handed to him but actually placed and that prophecy was also fulfilled p all praises to the creator of the heavens and the Earth monotheistic worship is the only of life
When andreas came on he said the panel of people don't look like people who would lie, from that point he must had listen to about an hour or more to what I found to be great conversation from hamza and the others, Thank you I truly enjoyed and subscribed.
Hamza don't worry about the calibre of the guests, there is is always some benefit to take from the streams and some beautiful reminders for us Muslims. The end guest was full of gems and reminded me of my journey and processes I went through alone discovering Islam. Maybe you can invite higher calibre guests in the future but today was what it was.
One of my favourite parts to this stream was seeing how ihsan conceded that it is just and correct for God to forgive a mass murderer when they convert and seek sincere repentance. That the Islamic view of repentance makes perfect sense. Alhamdulillah.
He conceded for the sake of argument only, he's stubborn and as an ex-Muslim he knows what Allah has revealed what's in store for stubborn people. Perhaps he's worried and that's why he asking questions about forgiveness in Islam.
A lot of "ex-muslims" usually argue as though they are looking for someone to give them the perfect "excuse" to give God on judegment day for not following islam.
@@f1aziz exactly 💯. Whenever I hear an "ex-muslim" I don't know whether to laugh or cry for them especially with the amount of rubbish that comes out of the mouth. Then to top it off the so-called reason they left is almost always materialistic and something to do with the dunya and it's pleasures
May the baby become the great next generation of this ummah, May Allah guide Ray, ameen. Jazakumullah khayr brother Hamza, Sharif, Ijaz, Farid, and Ustadh Adnan.
Learned another lesson…never go to an atheist doctor. He doesn’t really care about u. If he sees u can contribute to society he might try…if not he will decide whether ur worthy of healing or not! Atheists like ihsaan should be watched…👀
Sharif was awesome 👏 Please also bring Abdul from thought adventure podcast, they are the hidden gems with great knowledge. There channel is so underrated, needs more subscribers😊
One of the strongest and most convincing answers for me to the question "What if there is nothing?" is that then there is nothing and you have just lived a beautiful life following the teachings of Islam. But if there is something then you will also have a beautiful hereafter Insha'Allah. Jazak'Allah Brother Hamza for this insight, I hadn't thought about it that way before.
Brother Hamzah: Plz don't get upset or disappointed by the caliber of the guests, you ppl are not only educating the non-muslims through them, but also the Muslims about the truthfulness of this beautiful religion, and you are educating Muslims about how to give DAWAH, with all the patients, calmness, full of evidence, studies, comparisons, and analyses. Amazing job brothers, may Allah reward you in this life and in the hereafter. ❤❤❤
This is the best group , Farid , Brother Adnan , Ijaz and Sharif are fantastic , everyone gets a word in,have this group more often. Ray , bro if you're reading this please just try to understand , I have mentioned it before .In Hamlet there is a phrase "The lady doth protest too much, methinks", this sounds weird and out of place now but back in the Tudor's time this was how most people spoke, just listen and try to understand the guys .They are trying their best to explain it to you.You're probably a nice guy but you come off a bit rough around the edges. Peace.
I hope learn sim is guided to the truth he seems like a sincere person brother learn sim maybe you should just ask God almighty to guide you to the truth and help you to see the truth as truth and guide you towards it and help you to see false hood as false hood and keep you away from it God willing you will be guided we will all pray for you to be guided to the Truth Aameen thumma Aameen 😥🤲💝💐
In the entire conversation, "Why so religious" had the dumbest argument lol. Even though he tries to come off as a very intellectual person, but I just couldn't understand how any rational person could be so dumb to miss such a clear cut point that the Hadith is meant to explain to the companions to avoid using materials such as nails, bones, teeth, because they're forbidden for X,Y,Z reason. It wasnt an anatomy lesson he was giving them. It is as if we sit there and criticize each literate person or every astronomer out there for using phrases like "the sun set"...when we all know that the sun never set, rather it is the earth that rotates that causes it to visually appear as if it set.
It's always like that with him. He thinks he's smart but doesn't even understand what people are saying. You can't explain to him anything, so stubborn
On that note 📝, main get away from it was to not use those parts in cutting the meat. You’d think they could do something better. It’s rich when especially a Christian comes to the dinner table where their whole book has tons of mistakes in it.
@@187a3 Not necessarily, their father is a living example of a clouded fitra. Read the Hadith talking about the baby being born a Muslim, then his/her parents, social conditions and other factors end up clouding her/his fitra. Unfortunately, the problem with Rob is that he's not sincere at all. May Allah soften his heart and guide him to the straight path.
Masyaallaah, what a beautiful stream brothers. Amazing job you guys done here. May everyone who watched and listens can benefit from it and may Allah rewards you guys greatly for sharing your amazing knowledge. Aaaamiiiiiin
Lol, hamza not allowing ustaz Adnan to leave saying to end another 15 minutes but ending up going for another hour plus. Keep it up guys, the stream is amazing.
I don’t think frank is a troll like rob or ray. Frank is just emotional and he is older so we must respect that. Older people tend to have issues changing what they believe because imagine after 50 years of worship someone starts proving it wrong in front of you. I think Frank is not being Frank.
@@abd_md it’s not about age with Frank. I’ve engaged with him in the comments and have been watching him on the streams for over a year. He has proper arrogance that he can’t let go of. And we all know what happens to those with arrogance in their hearts.
they don't realize that without a Higher Authority, morality is impossible to ground with this mantra that the atheists' teach, 'you can do as you wish as long as you don't harm anyone'. Also this idea of a destructive relationship is not a good argument to use either as atheists believe that everything is meaningless and we are just atoms, which means that we give labels to atoms to give meaning to them, which means a mother/son relationship is NOT AN ACTUAL relationship. We just labelled this relationship, both mother and son are just meaningless atoms, just as you would mix sugar in water, a mother and son can mix too. Thanks for the time link too.
A very interesting episode Mashallah despite the poor calibre of guests. Here are some significant highlights and moments from the Stream: 0:10 Intro 0:50 Brother Farid joins 1:02 Brother Sharif joins 1:33 Brother Adnan Rashid and IjazTheTrini join 3:52 Andrew (Steven) joins. Asks if Isa (a.s) and Jesus are the same person? 4:32 The Irony 😂😂 6:47 Conflicting reports of The Crucifixion in the Gospels. 11:04 Historians attempts to document the supposed 'Crucifixion' and how they were interpolated for Scripture. 16:41 Jesus (a.s) was protected and raised up by God. Psalms 91 promises the protection of Jesus (a.s) A Prophecy that came to pass. 18:51 Arabic term 'Wafaat' that is used for both sleep and death. 25:50 Stephen requests proof from The Qur'an that Jesus (a.s) will return. 26:23 Deciphering the enigma of Stephen/Andrew. 28:54 Young Welsh returns. Asks if Muslims believe the Crucifixion actually happened. 32:21 Welsh asks if The Qur'an confirms previous Scriptures. (Could've sworn he asked this on a previous Stream. It's likely his Cognitive Dissonance will not allow him to accept the answer) 35:45 Quick History lesson for Welsh. There are no Biblical Manuscripts from 7th Century Arabia. 3 Centuries earlier Epiphanius of Salamis, a Church Father chronicled the heretical works that Christians of his time read and believed in. Author Brent Nongbri wrote a book exploring this topic: 'God's Library: The Archaeology of the Earliest Christian Manuscripts.' Along the River Nile there were several Towns and Cities that copied the Christian literature from around 2nd Century C.E - 9th Century C.E It was concluded that they were copying from more Non New Testament works than actual New Testament based works. 38:34 Were there any Christians in Yathrib? Young Welsh like any typical Christian uses preferential guesswork rather than Empirical Evidence. 42:35 The Basilideans, a 2nd Century Gnostic Sect did not believe Jesus (a.s) died and rose again. 44:00 Ijaz drops the mic on Welsh's head and all he can say in response is... 'whatever' 🤦🏻♂️ 45:40 Rob MTT returns. Mentions a Hadith. Refuses to provide the reference. 49:29 Ray is back. Breaks a personal record for the dumbest argument he's ever brought to The Arena. Teeth are not Bones therefore The Revelations are wrong. 🤦🏻♂️ 55:10 Sharif teaches Ray about Hermaneutics. And to no-one's surprise Ray is as clueless as ever. 58:09 Farid breaks it down piece-meal for Ray but his IQ is too low to internalise what he's hearing. 1:03:58 Adnan asks Ray if he knows what anachronism means. He struggles to even pronounce it so the answer is pretty clear. 1:13:52 Yeah Hamza can't take anymore of this Clown. 🤡 1:19:55 How dense is this moron? Does he not hear himself? 🥴 1:24:40 Manchild Rob is back. Immediately proceeds to strawman Ijaz and Adnan. 🤦🏻♂️ 1:27:05 Rob reads the references. Mashallah. Then refuses to actually read the Hadith. His intellectual inferiority and dishonesty is clear for all to see. Farid offers a helping hand. 1:35:53 Adnan doesn't hold back on the desperate and pathetic hypocrisy of Rob. 1:37:49 Ihsaan returns. Asks if only Muslims will go to Jannah? And the same for Reverts? Then sets up his loaded question: Would you rather a Revert former Criminal go to Jannah or a Murtad like Ihsaan? 1:49:47 Ihsaan conveniently forgets his own position as a Determinist. 1:51:50 The Conditions of Repentance in Islam. 1:55:18 An analogy that Ihsaan struggles to understand. He grasps the concept of a lesser evil but fails to understand the Rahma (Mercy) of Allah(swt) toward his servants when they sincerely repent. And thinks himself better than them as a Kaffir. 🤦🏻♂️ 2:05:29 Another analogy for Ihsaan. He struggles to explain it's immorality. Without a moral anchor he makes it up as he goes along. 2:16:42 Brother Sharif constantly switching his location. You okay Akhi? 😅 2:18:16 Islamophobic Rat James SC is back. (Hamza is way too charitable with these Khabeeth) 2:20:33 Andrew Christ returns. Asks about The Qur'an Manuscript at the time of Abu Bakr (R.A) 2:25:00 Skeptic finally joins. Claims Qur'an has Historical inaccuracies. (Surah Yusuf 12 :20) Asserts that Dirham was used in the Ayat. Adnan gives him the lowdown. 2:30:09 Nice try Christian. 😂 2:32:45 Learn Sim joins. Asks if Qur'an was revealed 1400 years ago then what existed before then? Why isn't everyone Muslim? 2:38:31 Sharif asks what Sims contention is if he has one. Then he inquires about the Power and Knowledge of Allah (swt) Why aren't more people in the West accepting Islam? 2:42:08 Why do you think The West knows Best? 2:42:35 History of Western Colonialism. 2:45:18 Ijaz was right to call out Hamza for this. There's a whole hour+ left of the Stream. 😂 2:49:49 The Greatness of France 🇫🇷 🇫🇷 🇫🇷 2:51:32 History of the 1916 Sykes-Picot agreement. And the development of Islam in various fields. 2:53:37 Both perspectives are compared and summarised. And Learn Sim is asked why believe in God? 2:57:39 Testing the claim of Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) 3:06:14 Struggling with the concept/reality of Heaven and Hell. 3:14:25 Exploring the Ahadith Corpus. 3:23:31 Predictions and Prophecies found in Hadith. 3:29:54 Learning about Islam never truly ends. Battling your nafs and desires to submit to your creator. 3:46:15 The Friendship/Rivalry of Ijaz and Farid. 😂 3:47:23 Farid's proof of The Prophethood series. 3:49:13 Wrapping-up 3:51:02 I'm glad Hamza addressed the poor calibre of guests during the Stream. Inshallah the future Streams will have better quality guests.
Imagine he goes to Allah at the day of judgement and says i didnt believe bcoz bone, prophet Muhammad didnt use the correct word of the future which no one would understand
Great stream Masha'Allah If anyone wants to get to the good part, and skip the trolls, click on this timestamp. He turns out to be a really nice guy and the panelists has a good convo with him. 2:32:55
Sharif abu laith .. next level macha allah brother , awful guests today but rob as always with his funniest stupid arguments .. i found a very verrry disturbing hadith hamza im surprised that mohamed had a Christian scribe .. he converted to islam but he was always a Christian .. 😂
Masha ALLAH the Panel killed it. I am loving the way The Arena has evolved for the better. Can I just say, if there's a Hadith Question, Fareed should jump on it and deal with it.
From all the arguments ever made in all the Muslim streams, Ray (why so religious) takes the prize for the worst possible argument against Islam EVER. Made everyone dumber. For anyone reading this, just skip that part.
Despite Ray's bad and dishonest attitude, I appreciate him raising the topic of teeth and bones. While it may seem minor, I learned something valuable from it, Alhamdulillah. It highlights the significance of understanding different perspectives when approaching diverse subjects like history, linguistics, scriptures, and cultures.
Daniel Haqiqatjou always brings the heat and focus towards him. It also happens whenever Shaykh Uthman is in the arena. It is discomforting for the other guests i suppose 🙂.
I normally don't like Hamza, but I definitely apprichiates his speech at the end, that was interesting. Especially about how he become moslim and how he spoke about saytan, what shaytan says to u, those ideas I had as well and I could relate very wel
1:30:00 The Rob part is hillarious. Always quoting hadith that he never believes in - did they lied when reported the hadith? If they lied, then there's no such thing as a Christian scribe 😄 If he thinks that they didn't lie, then he has to accept that a Christian scribe was punished by God Almighty by lying about the Prophet of God 😏 The hadith even clearly said that the scribe was a Muslim, just like every other people around the Prophet 😄
Teeth are part of the skeletal system 🦷 🦷 🦷 Basic modern anatomy. Arabic definition of tooth. Sahl bin Sa'd (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "Whosoever gives me a guarantee to safeguard what is between his jaws and what is between his legs, I shall guarantee him Jannah." وعن سهل بن سعد قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: "من يضمن لي ما بين لحييه، وما بين رجليه أضمن له الجنة" ((متفق عليه)). So they way they categorized teeth isn't based on biochemistry obviously but their own anatomical comprehension. Every time of medicine does that too. Different schools of thought.
3:10:00 Heaven and Hell: Those who escape while committing a crime and those who aren't rewarded for the good works in this world, Heaven and hell is created for them too
The back bone and ribs verse isn’t a scientific mistake it’s true. Quran 86:7: In embryonic stages, the reproductive organs of the male and female, i.e. the testicles and the ovaries, begin their development near the kidney between the spinal column and the eleventh and twelfth ribs. Later they descend; the female gonads (ovaries) stop in the pelvis while the male gonads (testicles) continue their descent before birth to reach the scrotum through the inguinal canal. Even in the adult after the descent of the reproductive organ, these organs receive their nerve supply and blood supply from the Abdominal Aorta, which is in the area between the backbone (spinal column) and the ribs. Even the lymphatic drainage and the venous return goes to the same area.
Ihsan the most important thing about conversion is the recognition of your creator no matter how many crimes he committed if he sincerely repent to God ALLAH says he will forgive that person . Now the mistake of comparing atheist to such a person is that atheist do not recognize God in the first place , in order for someone to forgive you first you’ve got to recognize your faults and to who you did them to . Why would you even hope to receive forgiveness from someone that you don’t believe exist ? Atheists shouldn’t have any hope in hereafter because they do not believe in it full stop 🛑
I know it's late but I wish one of the gladiator was very fluent in arabic. Because when Ray was talking about teeth and bone I was laughing. Even nowadays we call something hard "bone". So calling teeth bone is still acceptable until now.
Some one asked a question about Jesus death that the Qur'an mention that Allah before he raise him up he made him dead by saying " motawafeek " . this word has many meanings one is " death " another is " hold off for now" in this verse means holding off for now Jesus life in the earth and raise him up .
I’ve never seen someone so thoroughly rinsed on one of these streams as Ihsaan was tonight lol. It was almost comedic if the context wasn’t so sad. Towards the end he was literally trying to run away and dip from the stream entirely due to being so mercilessly cornered.
The funny thing is, comparing the glee he had on his face after he thought he “one upped” the Muslims with his silly argument to the several agonising faces he was making as he tried to make a grand escape from the corner his own world view put him in. That was truly telling to watch in every sense of the word and any atheist watching that should be ready to take some lessons from it.
Remember him last time? Thought he was so clever with asking the panel if they could have their own country and what law they would establish….😂
He ended up having to ‘move away’😂😂😂😭😭😭😭the country he would have established with his own laws, when pressed and asked….he would’ve had to leave!🤣😭😭😭😭
@@Tislyfe Haha I remember that too. The guy is a walking, breathing definition of inconsistency. I honestly can’t recall someone who is so continuously and completely befuddled by his own world views and philosophies as he is lol
I haven’t watched the stream yet, but, he will be here shortly saying how he made good points. It’s his MO.
Well said!
I simply saw this on mute live and groaned when I saw his face,that fake smile he tries to give every now and then is so funny
Sharif is a beast and Adnan's knowledge in history is next level. MashaAllah. May Allah bless and preserve them.
ما شاء الله تبارك الله
Can you say Mashaa Allah before you praise someone and conclude with a dua of may Allah bless him with more knowledge and keep him steadfast?
@@Meliodas.Dragon1 no
All praises to Allah and may Allah bless and reward the gladiators it says in the Hadith that the barefooted Bedouin are going to in the future start competing with one another by building building buildings that are so high and that is ironic because the Bedouins were like nomads and they were just like traveling they didn't even have so this prophecy is amazing when you know where the tallest buildings in the Middle East in Saudi Arabia and the companion Abu bakr and the prophet Muhammad were in seclusion and the pagans the idolaters the disbelievers had of their homes and there was a bounty out on them anyone that was with the prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him saw the man who was knowing where the prophet Muhammad was followed close enough p he was close enough that he could hear the prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him say when he was after him to to get the that was 0 stimulus stipulated by the disbelievers that whoever brings him dead or alive that this amount will be for you 100% and he had figured out his location and every time he got closer and closer his ride would throw him off p and his ride threw him off three times 0p it was close enough that he could see them and he could hear the prophet Muhammad this person who was trying to get the 100 bounty bounty p he told him do you know that you are going to be wearing the bracelets of kisara k i s r a this was what he would wear the Persian king and so he stopped because he knew he couldn't catch them the horse kept p years later he accepted and became a Muslim and one day after many years he had passed away the prophet Muhammad and the successor Umar p had the bounty in his hands after the fall of the Persian king and in the for the bracelets of kisra so he took them out and he put them on that individual when he was trying to get the 100 camel as a bounty and now he got the bracelets of k i s r a and not just handed to him but actually placed and that prophecy was also fulfilled p all praises to the creator of the heavens and the Earth monotheistic worship is the only of life
When andreas came on he said the panel of people don't look like people who would lie, from that point he must had listen to about an hour or more to what I found to be great conversation from hamza and the others, Thank you I truly enjoyed and subscribed.
Hamza don't worry about the calibre of the guests, there is is always some benefit to take from the streams and some beautiful reminders for us Muslims. The end guest was full of gems and reminded me of my journey and processes I went through alone discovering Islam.
Maybe you can invite higher calibre guests in the future but today was what it was.
Man, Sharif is so underrated. His series in TAP is pure education.
send me the link bro
TAP is brilliant.
Alhamdulillahi rabbi al'alameen
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One of my favourite parts to this stream was seeing how ihsan conceded that it is just and correct for God to forgive a mass murderer when they convert and seek sincere repentance. That the Islamic view of repentance makes perfect sense. Alhamdulillah.
He conceded for the sake of argument only, he's stubborn and as an ex-Muslim he knows what Allah has revealed what's in store for stubborn people. Perhaps he's worried and that's why he asking questions about forgiveness in Islam.
@@f1aziz i thought the same
A lot of "ex-muslims" usually argue as though they are looking for someone to give them the perfect "excuse" to give God on judegment day for not following islam.
@@jimfromwakanda7991 a lot of their questions are not actually honest questions but just attempts at you approving their disbelief.
@@f1aziz exactly 💯.
Whenever I hear an "ex-muslim" I don't know whether to laugh or cry for them especially with the amount of rubbish that comes out of the mouth. Then to top it off the so-called reason they left is almost always materialistic and something to do with the dunya and it's pleasures
May the baby become the great next generation of this ummah, May Allah guide Ray, ameen. Jazakumullah khayr brother Hamza, Sharif, Ijaz, Farid, and Ustadh Adnan.
I love Ijaz he's so hilarious, may Allah bless him!! Lol! And Adnan's knowledge is very impressive, Allahumma barik to Adnan!
Thanks Ihsan for asking what you were asking, now I gain new perspective which I value a lot. May God guides you.
Brother Adnans knowledge is brutal!
Wow...Sharif Abu Laith was a discovery. Will be checking his stuff out more.
2:31:50 nice to know that ancient egypt currency information
I love when Ijaz steps in and gets a fulltime monologue.. He very calmly mic drops every.single.time.
Learned another lesson…never go to an atheist doctor. He doesn’t really care about u. If he sees u can contribute to society he might try…if not he will decide whether ur worthy of healing or not!
Atheists like ihsaan should be watched…👀
Brother Sharif needs to be a regular. I love his channel!
I can’t believe these haters are afraid of the Quran. All they want to do is misrepresent Hadith smh
Sharif was awesome 👏
Please also bring Abdul from thought adventure podcast,
they are the hidden gems with great knowledge.
There channel is so underrated, needs more subscribers😊
May Allah Accept your works, and make it a means of acceptance and Guidance for the Ummah!
One of the strongest and most convincing answers for me to the question "What if there is nothing?" is that then there is nothing and you have just lived a beautiful life following the teachings of Islam. But if there is something then you will also have a beautiful hereafter Insha'Allah. Jazak'Allah Brother Hamza for this insight, I hadn't thought about it that way before.
Brother Hamzah: Plz don't get upset or disappointed by the caliber of the guests, you ppl are not only educating the non-muslims through them, but also the Muslims about the truthfulness of this beautiful religion, and you are educating Muslims about how to give DAWAH, with all the patients, calmness, full of evidence, studies, comparisons, and analyses. Amazing job brothers, may Allah reward you in this life and in the hereafter. ❤❤❤
Br Sharif is a great addition to the panel
MashAllah TabarakAllah 💙🧡♥️
That whole coin ordeal was just embarrassing, lol. Mans just said "okay" and left
He thought he had a strong point!
Finally brother sharif is in the den, Long over due. Jazakumallah khair brother Hamza
Bone, enamel and dentine have almost identical properties with just a variance of a few percent between certain things.
This is the best group , Farid , Brother Adnan , Ijaz and Sharif are fantastic , everyone gets a word in,have this group more often.
Ray , bro if you're reading this please just try to understand , I have mentioned it before .In Hamlet there is a phrase "The lady doth protest too much, methinks", this sounds weird and out of place now but back in the Tudor's time this was how most people spoke, just listen and try to understand the guys .They are trying their best to explain it to you.You're probably a nice guy but you come off a bit rough around the edges. Peace.
I hope learn sim is guided to the truth he seems like a sincere person brother learn sim maybe you should just ask God almighty to guide you to the truth and help you to see the truth as truth and guide you towards it and help you to see false hood as false hood and keep you away from it God willing you will be guided we will all pray for you to be guided to the Truth Aameen thumma Aameen 😥🤲💝💐
MashaAllah. You brothers are absolutely awesome!!! Bro. Ijaz is amazing and hilarious.
Great great speech by br Hamza , May The Almighty Allah keep you steadfast Amenen
Ameen
In the entire conversation, "Why so religious" had the dumbest argument lol. Even though he tries to come off as a very intellectual person, but I just couldn't understand how any rational person could be so dumb to miss such a clear cut point that the Hadith is meant to explain to the companions to avoid using materials such as nails, bones, teeth, because they're forbidden for X,Y,Z reason. It wasnt an anatomy lesson he was giving them. It is as if we sit there and criticize each literate person or every astronomer out there for using phrases like "the sun set"...when we all know that the sun never set, rather it is the earth that rotates that causes it to visually appear as if it set.
It's always like that with him. He thinks he's smart but doesn't even understand what people are saying. You can't explain to him anything, so stubborn
Psudeo intellectual 🤣
On that note 📝, main get away from it was to not use those parts in cutting the meat. You’d think they could do something better. It’s rich when especially a Christian comes to the dinner table where their whole book has tons of mistakes in it.
Salaam brothers from South Africa Johannesburg love you guys ❤️ keep it up one God and it's Allah
I truly feel sorry for Rob's children!
😂😂
@@187a3 Not necessarily, their father is a living example of a clouded fitra.
Read the Hadith talking about the baby being born a Muslim, then his/her parents, social conditions and other factors end up clouding her/his fitra.
Unfortunately, the problem with Rob is that he's not sincere at all.
May Allah soften his heart and guide him to the straight path.
rob got rinsed so bad..
May Allah bless you all, brothers.
Masyaallaah, what a beautiful stream brothers. Amazing job you guys done here. May everyone who watched and listens can benefit from it and may Allah rewards you guys greatly for sharing your amazing knowledge. Aaaamiiiiiin
Andrew Newton sounds to be Christian prince, he's playing game, to disprove Islam believe, trying to prove Quran teach the death of Jesus 😅😅😅
Brother Adnan’s knowledge is amazing and of course brother Ijaz we love ❤️ you the most coz your so intelligent and oh so cute my dear brother
The conversation with Learn Sim guy was just another level 💯. May Allah guide his heart to the truth.
allahoma ameen!!
Lol, hamza not allowing ustaz Adnan to leave saying to end another 15 minutes but ending up going for another hour plus. Keep it up guys, the stream is amazing.
is all what Christians have in the front lines is *< Rob / Ray / Frank >* the trinity of trolls 🤣
I don’t think frank is a troll like rob or ray. Frank is just emotional and he is older so we must respect that. Older people tend to have issues changing what they believe because imagine after 50 years of worship someone starts proving it wrong in front of you. I think Frank is not being Frank.
@@abd_md it’s not about age with Frank. I’ve engaged with him in the comments and have been watching him on the streams for over a year. He has proper arrogance that he can’t let go of. And we all know what happens to those with arrogance in their hearts.
2:05:50 lol Ihsan says mother and son relationship is destructive. Congrats Ihsan, you're also against homosexuality 😂😂😂🤣
they don't realize that without a Higher Authority, morality is impossible to ground with this mantra that the atheists' teach, 'you can do as you wish as long as you don't harm anyone'.
Also this idea of a destructive relationship is not a good argument to use either as atheists believe that everything is meaningless and we are just atoms, which means that we give labels to atoms to give meaning to them, which means a mother/son relationship is NOT AN ACTUAL relationship. We just labelled this relationship, both mother and son are just meaningless atoms, just as you would mix sugar in water, a mother and son can mix too.
Thanks for the time link too.
A very interesting episode Mashallah despite the poor calibre of guests. Here are some significant highlights and moments from the Stream:
0:10 Intro
0:50 Brother Farid joins
1:02 Brother Sharif joins
1:33 Brother Adnan Rashid and IjazTheTrini join
3:52 Andrew (Steven) joins. Asks if Isa (a.s) and Jesus are the same person?
4:32 The Irony 😂😂
6:47 Conflicting reports of The Crucifixion in the Gospels.
11:04 Historians attempts to document the supposed 'Crucifixion' and how they were interpolated for Scripture.
16:41 Jesus (a.s) was protected and raised up by God. Psalms 91 promises the protection of Jesus (a.s) A Prophecy that came to pass.
18:51 Arabic term 'Wafaat' that is used for both sleep and death.
25:50 Stephen requests proof from The Qur'an that Jesus (a.s) will return.
26:23 Deciphering the enigma of Stephen/Andrew.
28:54 Young Welsh returns. Asks if Muslims believe the Crucifixion actually happened.
32:21 Welsh asks if The Qur'an confirms previous Scriptures. (Could've sworn he asked this on a previous Stream. It's likely his Cognitive Dissonance will not allow him to accept the answer)
35:45 Quick History lesson for Welsh. There are no Biblical Manuscripts from 7th Century Arabia. 3 Centuries earlier Epiphanius of Salamis, a Church Father chronicled the heretical works that Christians of his time read and believed in.
Author Brent Nongbri wrote a book exploring this topic: 'God's Library: The Archaeology of the Earliest Christian Manuscripts.'
Along the River Nile there were several Towns and Cities that copied the Christian literature from around 2nd Century C.E - 9th Century C.E
It was concluded that they were copying from more Non New Testament works than actual New Testament based works.
38:34 Were there any Christians in Yathrib? Young Welsh like any typical Christian uses preferential guesswork rather than Empirical Evidence.
42:35 The Basilideans, a 2nd Century Gnostic Sect did not believe Jesus (a.s) died and rose again.
44:00 Ijaz drops the mic on Welsh's head and all he can say in response is... 'whatever' 🤦🏻♂️
45:40 Rob MTT returns. Mentions a Hadith. Refuses to provide the reference.
49:29 Ray is back. Breaks a personal record for the dumbest argument he's ever brought to The Arena. Teeth are not Bones therefore The Revelations are wrong. 🤦🏻♂️
55:10 Sharif teaches Ray about Hermaneutics. And to no-one's surprise Ray is as clueless as ever.
58:09 Farid breaks it down piece-meal for Ray but his IQ is too low to internalise what he's hearing.
1:03:58 Adnan asks Ray if he knows what anachronism means. He struggles to even pronounce it so the answer is pretty clear.
1:13:52 Yeah Hamza can't take anymore of this Clown. 🤡
1:19:55 How dense is this moron? Does he not hear himself? 🥴
1:24:40 Manchild Rob is back. Immediately proceeds to strawman Ijaz and Adnan. 🤦🏻♂️
1:27:05 Rob reads the references. Mashallah. Then refuses to actually read the Hadith. His intellectual inferiority and dishonesty is clear for all to see. Farid offers a helping hand.
1:35:53 Adnan doesn't hold back on the desperate and pathetic hypocrisy of Rob.
1:37:49 Ihsaan returns. Asks if only Muslims will go to Jannah? And the same for Reverts? Then sets up his loaded question: Would you rather a Revert former Criminal go to Jannah or a Murtad like Ihsaan?
1:49:47 Ihsaan conveniently forgets his own position as a Determinist.
1:51:50 The Conditions of Repentance in Islam.
1:55:18 An analogy that Ihsaan struggles to understand. He grasps the concept of a lesser evil but fails to understand the Rahma (Mercy) of Allah(swt) toward his servants when they sincerely repent. And thinks himself better than them as a Kaffir. 🤦🏻♂️
2:05:29 Another analogy for Ihsaan. He struggles to explain it's immorality. Without a moral anchor he makes it up as he goes along.
2:16:42 Brother Sharif constantly switching his location. You okay Akhi? 😅
2:18:16 Islamophobic Rat James SC is back. (Hamza is way too charitable with these Khabeeth)
2:20:33 Andrew Christ returns. Asks about The Qur'an Manuscript at the time of Abu Bakr (R.A)
2:25:00 Skeptic finally joins. Claims Qur'an has Historical inaccuracies. (Surah Yusuf 12 :20) Asserts that Dirham was used in the Ayat. Adnan gives him the lowdown.
2:30:09 Nice try Christian. 😂
2:32:45 Learn Sim joins. Asks if Qur'an was revealed 1400 years ago then what existed before then? Why isn't everyone Muslim?
2:38:31 Sharif asks what Sims contention is if he has one. Then he inquires about the Power and Knowledge of Allah (swt)
Why aren't more people in the West accepting Islam?
2:42:08 Why do you think The West knows Best?
2:42:35 History of Western Colonialism.
2:45:18 Ijaz was right to call out Hamza for this. There's a whole hour+ left of the Stream. 😂
2:49:49 The Greatness of France 🇫🇷 🇫🇷 🇫🇷
2:51:32 History of the 1916 Sykes-Picot agreement. And the development of Islam in various fields.
2:53:37 Both perspectives are compared and summarised. And Learn Sim is asked why believe in God?
2:57:39 Testing the claim of Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam)
3:06:14 Struggling with the concept/reality of Heaven and Hell.
3:14:25 Exploring the Ahadith Corpus.
3:23:31 Predictions and Prophecies found in Hadith.
3:29:54 Learning about Islam never truly ends. Battling your nafs and desires to submit to your creator.
3:46:15 The Friendship/Rivalry of Ijaz and Farid. 😂
3:47:23 Farid's proof of The Prophethood series.
3:49:13 Wrapping-up
3:51:02 I'm glad Hamza addressed the poor calibre of guests during the Stream. Inshallah the future Streams will have better quality guests.
May Allah bless Hamza, Masha Allah his passion and dedication towards the truth is inspiring.
What are the chances of the coins question being mentioned when Adnan is on the panel. That's his hobby.
Imagine he goes to Allah at the day of judgement and says i didnt believe bcoz bone, prophet Muhammad didnt use the correct word of the future which no one would understand
Great stream Masha'Allah
If anyone wants to get to the good part, and skip the trolls, click on this timestamp. He turns out to be a really nice guy and the panelists has a good convo with him.
2:32:55
Thank you Adnan, I learned something new and important today about my own language.
So Jesus' body was put to SLEEP.
Jazakallahu Khayran Ahsanul Jaza
Another great steam brothers, great panel !!
Brother Andraius I hope you the best of both worlds Aameen thumma Aameen 😥🤲💝
Well done bless kop i love you just for explanation well done Hamza 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👏👏👏👏👌👌👌👌
I would have not been able to stand my ground like rob did After Contradicting myself so clearly. Ignorance is bliss i guess.
That sharif was very impressive I think you should have him on again also subscribed to TAP
Masha ALLAH
جزاكم الله خيرا
Sharif abu laith .. next level macha allah brother , awful guests today but rob as always with his funniest stupid arguments .. i found a very verrry disturbing hadith hamza im surprised that mohamed had a Christian scribe .. he converted to islam but he was always a Christian .. 😂
It's a good old "Islam was created by Catholic church" conspiracy theory.
@@f1aziz what !
@@mzmi1422 Done.
Ijaz stop it man!!! Younare so naughty, Mashallah!!! So good to see you as part of the panel my brother
Go on brother Ijaz your a legend and we love you bro ❤️🧡💛🤎💔💜💚💙🤍
Mashallah the lion of knowledge.
Masha ALLAH the Panel killed it. I am loving the way The Arena has evolved for the better.
Can I just say, if there's a Hadith Question, Fareed should jump on it and deal with it.
Rob got dressed in clowns robes 👘 😂 😂 😂 😂
From all the arguments ever made in all the Muslim streams, Ray (why so religious) takes the prize for the worst possible argument against Islam EVER. Made everyone dumber. For anyone reading this, just skip that part.
Lmaoooo!
👏🏽 ray won 🏆
Too late brother.. already lost alot of brain cells..🤣
@@ahmadhusainiidris1409 🤭😂
I lost brain cells 🤦♂️
The teeth/bone argument, ohh boy. Desperation!
37:41 damnnnnn.... Well done ijaz
Despite Ray's bad and dishonest attitude, I appreciate him raising the topic of teeth and bones. While it may seem minor, I learned something valuable from it, Alhamdulillah. It highlights the significance of understanding different perspectives when approaching diverse subjects like history, linguistics, scriptures, and cultures.
Bless our Dawah brothers who are so patient…Sometimes these people who call in are just picking on Islam…Sigh, such a waste for our Dawah team
interesting livestream, please bring daniel haqiqatjou to the den sometimes as well! he is very well versed in atheism/liberalism
he’s a very busy man, hasn’t been uploading for a long time, i miss him😢
Daniel Haqiqatjou always brings the heat and focus towards him. It also happens whenever Shaykh Uthman is in the arena. It is discomforting for the other guests i suppose 🙂.
Why would you bring that clown on
Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills.” (Qur’an 4:48)
Adnan is the king
I normally don't like Hamza, but I definitely apprichiates his speech at the end, that was interesting. Especially about how he become moslim and how he spoke about saytan, what shaytan says to u, those ideas I had as well and I could relate very wel
1:30:00 The Rob part is hillarious. Always quoting hadith that he never believes in - did they lied when reported the hadith? If they lied, then there's no such thing as a Christian scribe 😄 If he thinks that they didn't lie, then he has to accept that a Christian scribe was punished by God Almighty by lying about the Prophet of God 😏
The hadith even clearly said that the scribe was a Muslim, just like every other people around the Prophet 😄
typical rob..
Alhamdulillah beautiful ending with the last guest
I hope we will see brother shariff again in the arena👏
Teeth are part of the skeletal system 🦷 🦷 🦷 Basic modern anatomy.
Arabic definition of tooth.
Sahl bin Sa'd (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "Whosoever gives me a guarantee to safeguard what is between his jaws and what is between his legs, I shall guarantee him Jannah."
وعن سهل بن سعد قال: قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: "من يضمن لي ما بين لحييه، وما بين رجليه أضمن له الجنة" ((متفق عليه)).
So they way they categorized teeth isn't based on biochemistry obviously but their own
anatomical comprehension.
Every time of medicine does that too.
Different schools of thought.
3:10:00 Heaven and Hell: Those who escape while committing a crime and those who aren't rewarded for the good works in this world, Heaven and hell is created for them too
4:50 Just started and already loving it 😂
2:50:48 brother, Hamza, you nailed it🎉🎉🎉
The back bone and ribs verse isn’t a scientific mistake it’s true. Quran 86:7: In embryonic stages, the reproductive organs of the male and female, i.e. the testicles and the ovaries, begin their development near the kidney between the spinal column and the eleventh and twelfth ribs. Later they descend; the female gonads (ovaries) stop in the pelvis while the male gonads (testicles) continue their descent before birth to reach the scrotum through the inguinal canal. Even in the adult after the descent of the reproductive organ, these organs receive their nerve supply and blood supply from the Abdominal Aorta, which is in the area between the backbone (spinal column) and the ribs. Even the lymphatic drainage and the venous return goes to the same area.
May Allah swt bless you all
Nice Stream ☝🏾
great job bro Allah bless you and your family
Ihsan the most important thing about conversion is the recognition of your creator no matter how many crimes he committed if he sincerely repent to God ALLAH says he will forgive that person . Now the mistake of comparing atheist to such a person is that atheist do not recognize God in the first place , in order for someone to forgive you first you’ve got to recognize your faults and to who you did them to . Why would you even hope to receive forgiveness from someone that you don’t believe exist ? Atheists shouldn’t have any hope in hereafter because they do not believe in it full stop 🛑
He was so sad when he was told that in the scenario the atheist is still doomed. Hopefully he reflects
From Andrew to Kevin to Steven..man theres a trinity right there!
Ihsan got put on the spot and squished like a roach 😂
clutch will be our brother insyaAllah
The best
Hahaha love it, 2:45:00+ theres no way its gonna last another 15 minutes.....ends at 3:59:18 lol
Al Yemeni nailed it Alhamdullilah
Hamza
Please make your guests comfortable 😂
Sharif Abulaith, finally!!!
This Andrew guy is probably Christian Prince.
@Rose Seriously? He does sound like Christian Prince lol
@Rose they are talking about the first guest Andrew Newton, not Andrew Christ
He’s ‘definitely’ Christian Prince.
It wasn't the best Arena ever, but I didn't think it was all that bad either; kept my attention to the end, so I guess it must have been alright!
Skeptic is the guy who pretended to become Muslim when the sheikh was here
nice stream
*Why so religious* should be a regular always bring new challenges :D may he be blessed with islam.
Ijaz’s reaction at 2:47:06 😂
I know it's late but I wish one of the gladiator was very fluent in arabic. Because when Ray was talking about teeth and bone I was laughing. Even nowadays we call something hard "bone". So calling teeth bone is still acceptable until now.
Some one asked a question about Jesus death that the Qur'an mention that Allah before he raise him up he made him dead by saying " motawafeek " . this word has many meanings one is " death " another is " hold off for now" in this verse means holding off for now Jesus life in the earth and raise him up .
The bangles of kisra
Snoop: "praise the Lord jeezus" 🤣🤣
We need a time stamp guy for these streams man
Was thinking it would be nice to watch rerun of arena until i saw ihsan