@@rstidman Ever thought of he's living in a white neighborhood? He's not gonna source people from far just for their skin color. That, in fact, would also be discrimination.
@@rstidman he is in Canada. From some research, it seems Canada has a mainly "white" population, mainly people identify as Canadian, or mainly other European countries such as English, German, Irish, etc. From the 2016 census, 73% said they were of European origin. The highest rated "non white" (as I would see) is 5% identifying as Chinese, and only 3% as black. In their area (Vancouver), it seems pretty representative of their team, mostly European Canadian and Chinese. Tldr: they are in a country where most people are white, and thus they hire mostly white.
There used to be a time where Linus was the smartest guy in the room, this video clearly shows that the team he has built are experts in their respective fields and make Linus look like a child. Kudos to Linus and LMG, you've grown beyond what I imagined. All the best!
Knowing the details about everything in tech isn't realistic. Personally, I don't know much about enterprise networking, writing assembly, robotics, nuclear reactors. Nor do I really care to.
There are two VERY different channels I watch regularly that demonstrate how RUclips can be used to grow a business if run by the right people. LTT of course, and the 18th Century history channel Townsends. Townsends was a family owned store that sold mainly to 18th century reenactors, and in some ways it still is, but it's also a fabulous educational channel about life in the 18th century. There is a lot of garbage and totally forgettable stuff on RUclips, but LTT and Townsends show just how good it can be.
I really feel for Kyle here. A fellow well intended a engineer put in a lot of effort on a project that is serious and the boss is like "BuT wE HaVE tO MakE tHe CaBlEs OuRSelVes!" Story of my life right there.
Kyle is probably the one who went over to Linus and said, if you *actually* want to test power supplies properly, its going to cost *at least* 100k and here's why. Linus approved the purchased of a state of the art testing equipment. Its not uncommon in industry for engineers (test engineers in particular) to bring capital expenditures to their bosses only to be rebuffed because "its too expensive". So I'll let Linus have some slack as the guy who approved all this in the first place, he's earned his right to be a goof.
@@LuisVelazquezLV3 It seems natural to me. Not saying that it's not scripted, but as long as it's scripted to be natural there's nothing wrong with it.
@@Sidowse We shouldn't forget RUclips. For content creating you dont really need to be smart and they earn lots of money from youtube which could back them up
Linus, I'm an engineer and love the LMG content across all the channels. Very much looking forward to more lab content and hope your engineering team will get more on camera time and hosting roles.
Hey can anyone answer a stupid question I have? They said North American power tops out at 2000w. Is it possible that computer components become so power hungry that there is a limit to what is possible? Like GPU’s and CPU’s stop progressing because there’s no more power available?
@@granthoover9045 possible, but unlikely. New generations of hardware have focused pretty hard on reducing consumption and increasing efficiency. This is most seen in memory and processors denoted as LP or L, which is generally short for low power, or sometimes LV in memory case for low voltage. DDR5 uses less power overall for the same output a comparable DDR4 would. The same can be seen in newer processors, since we’re at a point where we’re installing transistors so small we can’t make them smaller. Like it’s literally against the laws of physics to make them smaller. So much of the focus the last few years has been making less do the same, which increases efficiency by space. 2000 watts is ALOT of juice for a computer, we’re talking a terabyte of memory or dual socket platinum 48 core xeon processors with 96 PCIE lanes. Maybe some Bitcoin mining farms will hit 2k per breaker, but only after 4 high end 500 watt graphics cards chewing away at them hashes. I run a server In my house, and it’s 16 years old, DDR2 FB no multi threading. Old and hungry. Barely eats 700 watts at full output, and around 250 at idle. So I’d say it’s possible, but unlikely. Just from the hardware perspective, there are plenty of options, and from an engineering standpoint, nothing is impossible.
Wow, you really went to town on the PSU test rack. That's a serious bit of kit. Very flexible, good choices. Wouldn't surprise me if Choma start offering this bespoke rack to the PSU makers. They all watch your videos, so they'll want to make sure it passes on this exact same rack. You can really push the industry here. Well done. Open source the test interface hardware and software.
Really love seeing you here @EEVblog 😌It would be great if you can publish out a video as well on this topic or maybe you already have one. It would be nice to see how this thing works from your perspective as well. I love your channel! Been watching it since my college days taking Electronics & Communications Engineering and that was many years ago 😅.
I absolutely love the sass from Kyle "Why are you telling me this like you're the one who's going too be building this?" With all the sass of a mother trying to get their child to understand why they should do the right thing.
The lab is the most exciting thing in IT I've seen for a while. This is reallly going to shake up how the qualiity of even basic components are manufactured.
LTT Labs is my favorite thing about the current direction of the channel. As a test engineer who spends a significant amount of time dealing with the tools that you guys are using, it is really interesting to listen to what you're doing and think about how it could apply to my job. Keep making the cool content!
@@notstonks20 that… sounds kind of lame, i’d consider even just LTT labs to be a better name. there’s also the fact that there’s a company already called Lab32
I love the aesthetic design of this sort of stuff, firmly rooted in 1990 due to not being for consumers. Imagine how bad it would look if it was "gamerified"
Kyle is wicked smart, he helped run a makerspace before covid, just down the street from LTT. always great to see him in the videos, 100% Kyle is just like that in real life.
Few things say "I believe in the product I make" than sponsoring the equipment to actually test it AND its competition, and the way in the WAN show the ONLY thing they wanted Linus to talk about was their warranty. Massive props to Seasonic for actually doing what matters
Right! Last week I just put together a new rig and after much research I settled on the Seasonic FOCUS GX-850, 850W 80+ Gold, Full-Modular, with Silent operation. It is amazing and after seeing this I couldn't be happier with my decision. I love that it will run silent while web browsing/streaming RUclips. the setup: Asus TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS mainboard w/ i7 12700k.. ASUS ROG Strix RTX 3070 Ti OC Im also loving my new Noctua NH-U12S.
@@dobrx6199 or like he copy pasted the name, because every single computer part has a thousand random letters and numbers for its name and is impossible to remember
@@FakeChannel4 There will always be people who don’t pull their weight, and they are far more likely to do this to a boss who’s a demanding a-hole, than someone who treats them fairly and with respect.
That jab at Colton when you said "separate the good from the bad," and it was a picture of the LTT logo, and then Colton comes out and gets separated from it, had me cracking up. You guys play into that meme in the best possible ways 😂
Love the honesty from Kyle - "Why are you telling me this like you're the one who is actually going to build this stuff" Linus being yelled at should be the norm in videos moving forward! Hahaha!
just shows that Linus trusts his experts and they trust him back. Cant get a better work relationship than that. Shame that Most companies have yet to understand this.
Gotta love a boss that lets you yell at them with no repercussions. Takes a good one to realize when they're out of line or outclassed. The worst are the ones that hire you for your expertise and then treat you like you're not an expert. Pissing contests like that ruin companies
I love the interplay between the natural presenter of Linus and Kyle who clearly is just trying to do an actual job and do it well while having to babysit
This is the first time, a sponsored video has like sold me and made me felt confident in a manufacturers product. As Linus said, the fact that Seasonic sponsored this means that they are confident that their power supplies will pass all the tests.
Hi, i have 3x25a main fuses at home in the netherlands. And its sometimes at the low side of breaking the main fuses. So 3x25a its 17.000 watt what a home owner in the netherland can handel
We have 16A as well here in Denmark, mostly in automatic relays though, normally it's 230V but the Power connection is 400V, it's used for high power use items like the washing machine, dryer, electric heating and stove. You can have 25A in some house I think, but those would be rare and not relay. So a normal house can go from 3680W to around 6400W, depending on what connection you use.
@@-JustHuman- yes or 2x16a for a electric induction cooker, like a siemens or bosch. Sometimes need a induction cooker 3 fases. If you have the big one in your home.
Meanwhile in Australia, most homes have 10A single phase breakers at 230-240V. Depending on the type of Aircon installed, three phase 415V with 25A breakers may be installed. We rarely need three phase for other appliances, unless you're using industrial/commercial appliances. If you tend to operate high amperage goods in your home workshop (ie welders, compressors, various machinery, etc.), you can get a 15A plug installed with a 16A or 20A breaker.
Having grown up with an electrical engineer father Kyle's reaction to Linus trying to understand anything is basically me my entire childhood watching my dad do anything tech related and then act like I understood anything until I saw his reaction xD
Holy crap. I was looking at Chroma systems back when I was designing power supplies. Looks like you guys went all out! Re the multimeter: Most oscilloscopes are terrible for making accurate voltage measurements (8-10 bit ADCs). They are just for looking at the waveforms.
I am confused; how can a scope be a piss-poor voltmeter but draw graphs of changing voltages? Are they just bad at defining the absolute voltage of any signal at any moment but really good at comparing it with a measurement taken at another moment?
That's normal.. If it were a channel about cars I wouldn't be complaining if there was a lack of Kias. I'm here to see the cool stuff. If I wanted reviews on a POS car I'd start a RUclips channel 😂
They are probably going to test regular consumer power supplies with this machine. Linus definitely knows that videos with real world practicality get views
I know this is just dipping into the engineering behind all of this but honestly this video was super helpful to even get my head around what it means to test a product. Would look to see more deep dives into testing and even the theory of testing!
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What I love about this is how much personal ownership Kyle is taking of this tester. You can really tell it means something to him to have this which means as viewers, we're going to get outstanding content from his use of this bonkers contraption.
I love how little trust there is in Linus not to break/lose/drop this very expensive bit of kit. Nice to put the boss in his place, also nice to see Linus taking it in his stride rather than "don't you know who I am?" sort of thing.
Yeah, I kinda live for seeing that stuff, instead of that weird power dynamic most bosses like to flaunt and can never be wrong. I think you end up gaining more respect by treating people like normal human beings and being able to pick fun at eachother while also making sure the job gets done properly. If Linus really is how he seems on camera then i'd consider myself lucky to be part of the team. Working WITH someone not FOR them.
I am more excited for the LTT Lab than I have been for a lot of content for a while now. As everyone seems to be saying, it's exciting to see how enthusiastic this new crew is to get things running.
As a test engineer, I've got to say, this is a really impressive test setup (not sure about the pass/fail thingy though, not entirely sure what it is and what it's needed for). One note though, even if you have a scope, a DMM is still necessary because a scope is specialised at getting timing information very accurately and exact amplitude is usually less useful. So while a scope will have some DMM function, it's only going to give you like 3 or maybe 4 digits of precision, whereas a DMM can easily go to 6.5 digit. Admittedly that accuracy is maybe overkill for PSUs but it gives you trust in your measurements, i.e. if the 6.5 digit DMM says the voltage is 12.56864 then you maybe don't care about the microvolt accuracy (and realistically you're not gonna use it in microvolt range because acquisition time is very slow in that range) but you're not ever gonna doubt the millivolt accuracy.
So as a test engineer you shouldn't be that impressed, that's normal measuring equipment. As for the DMM, I have to say you're right on the one hand and wrong on the other. The Chroma already has a relatively high-speed DMM built in, so in principle it's not necessary, but in fact it needs to be calibrated and for that a DMM is useful, at least if you do it yourself and want to achieve very accurate results. What surprises me is that they bought the automatic Chroma, which is completely unsuitable for a laboratory.
@@moredots The automatic chroma is for random testing. You write the program, connect the power supply and get a protocol. The programs are also interchangeable, so if there are problems you can test the same power supply with the same program on a second Chroma. The advantage is that the operator does not have to know anything about the Chroma, just connect the power supply, press the button, everyone can do it. If problems occur, this is forwarded and the engineer/physicist looks at it. This is why they are also used in QA. The disadvantage is that it is more difficult to do anything beyond that, you are somewhat bound to the program. So if you want to test something special, or there were problems in the process, etc.. you have to rewrite the program. It is not impossible to intervene directly, but you realize that these are not meant for that, but rather for automated testing. The manual ones are then used in laboratories (not only in power supplies, but also in batteries, solar cells, aviation and space technology. Everywhere where electricity is converted or generated) with several and high quality measuring equipment like oscilloscopes. These can also be programmed, but also allow complete manual access. It is not only about the tests themselves but about the combination of the electronic loads, the manual ones allow very easy exchange of the loads. So you can adapt them to changed test operations e.g. ATX 3.0 They are also used in the labs of the manufacturers, at Cooler Master HQ I know that they use tektronix oscilloscope, one costs over 10000$. Enermax, FSP, Seasonic... also use both, but there my info is very old. Also the other well known power supply testers use them like Aris Mpitziopoulos(Cybenetics, Toms, hardwarebusters), Hardwareluxx, TweakPC... The disadvantage here is that you need very good professionals. The smaller test sites use Sunmoon Load Tester, these are much less accurate but also offer many options. These are also used by the manufacturers for RMA
@@tytusromek9267 thanks for the response. That all makes sense. So that's the piece of equipment directly below all the DC loads, right? I work in development not QA so we spend our money on oscilloscopes (I much prefer my LeCroys to Tektronix), but I do have 4 or 5 Chroma programmable AC supplies, though a few generations older than this one. I asked for one from Santa Claus (to do high current surge testing) to the tune of about $75k but I don't know if it's in the cards this year. I have also lusted after a DC load mainframe like this (just the loads, not all the other stuff) but it's hard to justify when you've got stuff that already kinda does the job. Me: I want a Chroma programmable DC electronic load mainframe! Mom: We have DC electronic loads at home. DC Electronic Loads at Home:
combined with the cable tester and color disks, Linus is on track to genuinely become a person who can speak for consumers and get genuine factual information a lot of companies may omit or mislead customers with.
@@dbman992 Linus has far better equipment. Gamernexus is basically the poor mans reviewer. He always complains over anything. Everything is always too expensive and the cheapest dogshit is somehow always the best choice. He really knows how to cater to his specific "pennyless" audience...
I love the direction this channel is going. Most tech channels, even the best trusted ones are going to review products based on their own experience or at most some things they can measure with their pc, but you're really going to mathematically demonstrate if a product is a quality one and why it is, love it
I love how Kyle just put _his boss_ when he thought Linus might mess something up, like loosing one of the USB thumb drive. Though for a good reason, it's stupid expensive.
It might sound a little disrespectful, but it's 'tough love' and Linus recognized that b/c for all the ragging we do on him we do know he seems to be a wise and fundamentally decent chap and good boss. Kyle was just making sure Linus Media Group didn't lose a significant amount of money. This is one of the ways you can tell that a company (of any size) is well-run: when the employees feel empowered to argue with their 'superiors' and the 'superiors' actually listen to what they have to say. Watch some videos with Elon Musk at Tesla or Space X : He does drive some employees a way with a bit over the top expectations as to work ethic, but one thing you cannot say is that he doesn't talk to the guys and gals on the 'line' constantly and they do obviously feel free to add their own ideas to things or to disagree with him.
In Germany almost every house has a 3 Phase 230V 16A outlet which would be able to put out about 11kW. Some houses and most farms have 32A outlets, but most people use them with 40A breakers. So we'd be able to draw 48kW from our wall.
Was going to say something similar for the UK. Most commonly cookers are installed on a 30amp fuse which would mean it could draw just over 7kw, and you can get higher fused outlets for things like EV chargers. Think he maybe means from a standard outlet though not sure.
@@georeb7040 I think so too. 230V 16A single phase would be 3650W. Cookers in Germany usually use two seperate plugs for two seperate outlets with two seperate phases to get 400V.
12:36 - this right here is what EVERY tier 1 power supply manufacturer is feeling right now. Their testing equipment wasn't designed for transient power spike testing, and now that Nvidia isn't backing down on their immense power draw manufacturers had to not only MAKE power supplies that can deal with it but also change their equipment to test that they can deal with it. Ripple effects
This comment needs to be higher up. Power supply evaluation is more important than ever now that the GPU power paradigm has changed and it's no longer sufficient to judge the compatibility of a PSU based on a simple minimum wattage value.
Great! Now overpriced brands won't be able to hide behind a name, and people on a budget will be able to cheap out without causing a fire (I'm looking at you, Gigabyte)...
@@slartibartfast2649 and linus group is more entertaining and are better at explaining this in a way people who are not experienced in the field can understand
You don't see the problem with this? They will know that you will think that, so even if their product is sh*t they will still sponsor this video. They can't prevent Linus from buying the equipment, but at least they can profit of it now before Linus destroys their brand.
@@Jehty_ the time period between sponsoring this video and the time it would take for the reputation to be demolished (assuming they have a crappy product) wouldn't be enough to recuperate the cost it will take to sponsor linus's videos. Horrible marketing choice because they will simply be at a loss
@@LoneBeastYT your comment makes 0 sense. A sponsorship makes money for a few days maybe a few weeks. That's when most people view the video and therefore see the sponsor. The first test video with this machine will come out in a few months. At that point nobody will remember this sponsorship.
@@Jehty_ 3 people said that seasonic is the best, so they are the best, seasonic can't be loosing money on this investment right? we can ignore the fact that they mentioned an external test bench because they can't test that much POWAAAAA (after a $120k thumb nail) I guess a 4090 is too powerfull or Nvidia paid more then Seasonic who knows 🤔
As an electronics engeneering student from Brazil, i can't remember a video that got me so happy watching it. Thank you guys, i wish you the best, and am anxiosly waiting for the PSU testing videos.
if you really want to go for this "docked" solution, you should make a pcb that slides in as a whole but still do a flexible connection to the test bench (Between PCB and Testbench) to take away the stress from the connectors when plugged in. Because there always is a little. That way you have a quick connection for every plug like you mentioned but also keep the connectors in good shape.
Electrical bonding is important, I worked aircraft electronics for years, and every piece was grounded just like this. Most equipment had spring centered contact patches to ensure it.
Card are similar that way but the opposite the grounds are one of the first places to check if you are having an open condition because the manufacturers are lazy about ensuring good ground
@@stuartlunsford7556 looks like these are indeed their own instruments or at least no rebranded Keysight. Keysight btw for sure does not have any OEM they do their own instruments.
I love this orange shirt guy. I love his energy and the pushback he gives to Linus. Obviously he creates the atmosphere where this feedback is acceptable _(good mgmt),_ but it's great to see. This dude is passionate. Can't wait to see both LTT's and GamersNexus PSU results, then compare to TomsHardware. I love all these new datapoints!
@@TheMyleyD Maybe, I haven't seen the sand ones. I've only seen ones that have 5 or 6 balls in differently angled channels. When the package is tilted beyond that angle, the ball drops into a permanent holding cell to indicate it has went past that point.
There are also indicators that show the size of any bullets going through your parcel when in transit through Texas. It's those big light brown panels all around the package.
This is the kind of tech content I am looking forward to, I'm not a serious gamer so I'm not really concerned with getting the latest and greatest ultra refreshrate monitor etc for myself but I do enjoy learning about what goes into the tech that's out there and knowing why what's good is good and what's bad isn't
LMGs growth is honestly something to truly aspire for, this IS the content we want to watch. More technical, in depth, engineering oriented and science-based content will make us consumers much much more educated on these topics thus when picking a product not only will we pick the best choice but we'll know exactly why we picked it (which helps greatly with buyers remorse).
It will force companies to either up the performance or stop the claims they give that their product can do as well. This could cause some companies to be industry standards and some fall off.
As a engineer in technical communication this content is so nice. So awesome to see how the testing will work and everything is being communicated transparently. This could become a huge step forward for both, users and manufactures. Also very nice hearing technical details by experts, love it!
Linus's slightly underwhelming reaction to that slew rate state is almost hilarious! Thats an insane amount of change in power per uS... those things gonna get toasty warm if pushed that hard!!!
That’s why datasheets always use units like V/s to make it sound more impressive. In this case the slew rate is 8,000,000 amps per second. Not bad considering PSU measurements use a 20mhz bandwidth limit by convention.
I had the same face expressions as Linus during this video. Alot of information about something I have no clue about, but it was very interesting to hear Kyle's expertise about this machine. Looking forward to other content from Lab2.
Kyle's reaction to Linus smacking the crate with the hammer, we feel you man. Also, fun prank, if you suspect someone is a gift shaker at Christmas cover their gifts in G-shock and tip/tilt watch stickers when they get put under the tree
04:27 almost there. 16A at 230V~240V so 3680W at 230V to trip a european breaker prepared for normal usage. Here the most common/basic house layout is one or two 10A circuit for lighting, some (2-to-whatever) 16A circuits for normal usage, one 20A circuit for washer+water heather (similar to how people in 130V have a 230V circuit only for that) and a 25A for the ceramic cooktop in the kitchen. So the day that "ultimate gamer setup" requires 25A/5750W, we'll play in the kitchen, eating is overrated after all >:)
I used to work for a Heater Manufacturer and they use Tip N Tell on all of their units and are posted on the outside before the shipping process. If any of those were fully or slightly into the arrow part of the label, we would tell all of our customers to not accept the unit(s) and we would replace them for free.
Can I just say this is really freeking cool. Also its fun watching Linus' brain trying to keep up with expert/specialists seemingly "live" (doesn't feel scripted) ;)
From what I hear PSUs like Seasonic Prime perform better in the US than the equivalent EU version because they're designed with the US power grid in mind and then converted. Any idea if this is true and can this fancy machine test for it?
The EU has a different power grid and does not have the problems that US households have or the problems with high wattage power supplies. Generally power supplies in EU achieve better efficiency than in USA. You can see not only in our reviews.
All of Edison’s power installations across the United States were 110 volts DC. (It was the DC part that was Edison’s downfall. Direct current can’t travel long distances. George Westinghouse and others went with alternating current, and won the “war of currents
Seasonic sponsoring this video and putting you on track to use the same hardware for testing they use is actually a big-brain move. Because now, they will always have the home field advantage. Even if a competitor is using a piece of kit for testing with more capability than this one does, it won't matter because this one can't see those bars to compare against.
Realistically he'd done MONTHS of research on this aside from just seasonic's input, and just because that's what they use doesn't mean they can't also push seasonic power supplies to their limit (along with all the other competition). This build EXCEEDS seasonic's own even with newer hardware than they have.
In terms of optics, Seasonic sponsoring the video and providing the spec for the gear that will be used to test their products isn't really a great indicator of much other than how big of a favor Linus owes them when his company is reviewing their gear. Having said that, they do have a reputation of making high quality stuff. The ethical move would have been to stay away from the process and let LTT come up with their own methodology with the confidence they would look good no matter what the lab threw at them.
There seems to be some misinterpretation of my comment, so I'm hoping to clear things up here. What I meant was that there are probably a handful of companies that make testers like these. Of them, they probably each have their pros and cons, and each might have some niche thing that sets them apart from each other. I have no doubt that he spent months researching the varying options, but what you can find out about something from sales persons and brouchers is a sliver of what you can learn from talking to people with first hand experience. So, ultimately, the more support Seasonic gave to LMG, the more it helped sway the use of a similar system to what they themselves used to benchmark and test the quality of their and their competitors products. This gives them a homefield advantage over manufacturers that test their equipment using a setup made by a different company. I would say in a similar fashion to convincing them to only test gpus on motherboards running intel processors would give a company an advantage over another gpu manufacturer that optomizes for amd processors. I hope that makes sense. I'm not saying this is a bad thing. I'm sure there is an industry standard that everyone tests to. But it's those niche things that go beyond which will set everything apart in the higher end of products. Seasonic is definitely putting their money where their mouth is though, and that's good. I hope more companies do in the future.
Seasonic has ALWAYS been my favorite PSU company since I first bought one probably 15 years ago. I definitely believe they have balls big enough to sponsor this video :P
Awesome warranty, no coil wine, no RGB - one of those rare companies where you get the sense that your money actually went into the quality of the product!
Where I used to work, this thing would have been a dream. Most of the things we used as a load was either a big variable resistor known as a rheostat, or old style light bulbs.
@@dookcurruff9047 I guess I’ve never looked until Corsair PSUs, but it’ll come down to how these LTT labs go for me. My current EVGA PSU handles a 3080 just fine so I’ve got awhile
From sponsoring thanksgiving videos just to say happy thanksgiving to this absolutely chad move, Seasonic PSUs are going in every single future computer builds that I get my hands in. Good job, good people over at seasonic. Good job.
Actually tripping a typical European braker (16A) requires you to pull about 4200W+ from the wall (and what is funny, you can pull up even more, probably up to 4500W+ for a little moment, and the fuse should withstand it).
Yea, quite a few minor things wrong in this video, that being said I don't see any issues with the setup or devices. I just hope they go with a decent oscilloscope.
@@fetzie23 That's not that important in this kind of application, the grounds are not supposed to be carrying any current. If you noticed each programmable load has it's own ground going to the connector panel for that reason.
@@faranocks As they are paying $133K (I think they said) for this I'm sure any oscilloscope they buy will be quite decent. Not to mention that they have a list of recommended models to chose from. These are not likely to be the bargain bin variety...
@@blahorgaslisk7763 obviously but I've had issues with the accuracy (or the frequency of tuning, really) of some of the higher end oscilloscopes I use in my research lab. Expensive =/= good, the ones I'm using cost upwards of 10k each. That being said the usecase is a bit different. I'm mostly dealing with lower voltages, and signal quality rather than power and power quality.
The future is looking bright in the tech youtuber space with LTT bringing in their Labs space, GN with their comprehensive pieces, and Hardware/Monitors Unboxed cutting through the bs of monitor companies.
"GN with their comprehensive pieces" Press F for GN. No but seriously, when Linus announced that he'd be copying them, and with like 10 times the budget, I really felt for Steve and the guys.
I am a 61 year old tech nerd. On internet with a Amiga 600hd.. this channel is turning into tech nerd crap.. my 7 year old granddaughter loves her Razor Pro 17.. and computer nerd stuff.. But as she said.. Gamers Nexus already does this stuff.. so why copy and repeat them?
@@ctrlectrld Oh I agree Steve and the GN team are going to have their work cut out for them big time when the LTT Labs are fully online. That being said I think LTT will still keep their Labs content somewhat dumbed down for the larger audiences and easier to consume. Whereas GN is way more into the technical side of things on the components. But I could be wrong on that assumption and only time will tell.
NICE!! It's great seeing the Lab come together...and this proves that you're really serious about this whole gig. I genuinely am looking forward to seeing what this complete setup can do! Tech Jesus is drooling looking at this video 😁😁
linus thank you so much for being so consistent, everyday i get on youtube I’m excited to see what you and LMG are doing :-) thank you been watching for over 10 years now
2:22 - I can totally confirm - worked at UPS as Loader and Driver - NO ONE GIVES A S# about any sticker on the box, fragile or not, temperature or not, chemical or not, whatever man just throw it, step on it, put it as it fits, after seeing how packages are treated by 2 courier companies I was amazed that nothing ever came broken to me. I saw that sticker that turns red but with something different, it was turning red if the package had some shock or whatever, I got a picture of that because I thought that sticker it's cool and a very must-have in case of expansive deliveries, though the package was way smaller and that sticker was wayyy red by the time I got my hands on - also, a package that size can't really be flipped without really bad maneuvers, I doubt anyone lifted it without a forklift
Labs is looking super promising! This level of accuracy verifying manufacturer claims can only mean good things for us on the consumer side. It’s crazy how far LTT has come!
Except LTT hires morons to do all the testing. All the accuracy and equipment in the world doesn't mean shit if the data and the operator are garbage. GN spent a year learning how to use an industry leading fan tester to ensure they are providing accurate data. People don't realize the amount of education required to use this equipment and LTT has NOT shown they have the competence to produce accuracy.
Y’all are really doing some cool stuff. I got to work with test engineers at a very innovative company for automated testing, but I’m just the supply chain guy, my brain doesn’t work at that level. Mad respect.
3:50 European max power on a one phase standard power outlet is 3680W ( 230V x 16A ) - The 3500W of the source is lower than the possible Power that is in Europe available at a standard outlet and a green/yellow cable is standard for ground in Europe.
@@arasumi3408 I'm not sure that's true. I would assume that those aren't the longest videos or the most popular (based off of a previous video those are the ones that bring the most money I just via video), and even those videos make something like 20k.
@@farmingpotato3372 also to be considered that probably who is working on those tests has a master degree or something in that direction, salary will be according to it ..
@@mastroitek The content they're going to be using it for will most likely be "which is the best power supply" with affiliate links in the description so you can check out their recommendations. Not only that, but the LAB is supposed to be mainly written content, so articles linking where to buy after a quick google search. They will FOR SURE make it back soon.
I would love to see you test some of the audiophile gear that is used to clean up dirty power and see is it really does anything
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Cool idea
This needs to be done
I love all the people LTT has added for labs. Clearly they're knowledgeable and passionate about tech! Labs is gonna be killer. Love it!
the people he has hired do seem apt to test a specific kind of power - white power, unfortunately.
@@rstidman are you seriously bringing race into this? Get over yourself for once - it’s not all about white supremacy!
@@rstidman bruh he living in canada not central africa or china
@@rstidman Ever thought of he's living in a white neighborhood? He's not gonna source people from far just for their skin color. That, in fact, would also be discrimination.
@@rstidman he is in Canada. From some research, it seems Canada has a mainly "white" population, mainly people identify as Canadian, or mainly other European countries such as English, German, Irish, etc. From the 2016 census, 73% said they were of European origin. The highest rated "non white" (as I would see) is 5% identifying as Chinese, and only 3% as black. In their area (Vancouver), it seems pretty representative of their team, mostly European Canadian and Chinese.
Tldr: they are in a country where most people are white, and thus they hire mostly white.
There used to be a time where Linus was the smartest guy in the room, this video clearly shows that the team he has built are experts in their respective fields and make Linus look like a child. Kudos to Linus and LMG, you've grown beyond what I imagined. All the best!
Makes linus look like a child who is gleefully doing what he loves to do and make money doing it and spending his time with equally passionate people.
all these experts he is hiring need someone that can orchestrate them and this is what Linus excels at
Truly the goal of industry: hire people who understand things you dont.
Knowing the details about everything in tech isn't realistic. Personally, I don't know much about enterprise networking, writing assembly, robotics, nuclear reactors. Nor do I really care to.
There are two VERY different channels I watch regularly that demonstrate how RUclips can be used to grow a business if run by the right people. LTT of course, and the 18th Century history channel Townsends. Townsends was a family owned store that sold mainly to 18th century reenactors, and in some ways it still is, but it's also a fabulous educational channel about life in the 18th century.
There is a lot of garbage and totally forgettable stuff on RUclips, but LTT and Townsends show just how good it can be.
I really feel for Kyle here. A fellow well intended a engineer put in a lot of effort on a project that is serious and the boss is like "BuT wE HaVE tO MakE tHe CaBlEs OuRSelVes!" Story of my life right there.
you know that was semi-scripted right?
Kyle is probably the one who went over to Linus and said, if you *actually* want to test power supplies properly, its going to cost *at least* 100k and here's why. Linus approved the purchased of a state of the art testing equipment. Its not uncommon in industry for engineers (test engineers in particular) to bring capital expenditures to their bosses only to be rebuffed because "its too expensive". So I'll let Linus have some slack as the guy who approved all this in the first place, he's earned his right to be a goof.
@@LuisVelazquezLV3 It seems natural to me. Not saying that it's not scripted, but as long as it's scripted to be natural there's nothing wrong with it.
@@Sidowse We shouldn't forget RUclips. For content creating you dont really need to be smart and they earn lots of money from youtube which could back them up
Linus, I'm an engineer and love the LMG content across all the channels. Very much looking forward to more lab content and hope your engineering team will get more on camera time and hosting roles.
I love how passionate Kyle seems about future testing, when we get to chewing up PSUs and spitting them back out we need him to be the host.
God i love Kyle. guy is such a great dude. he needs more screen time.
Absolutely. Kyle seems like that nerd bro that don’t give no fucks and ain’t no simp. I like him and his genuinely passionate approach to his job
Hey can anyone answer a stupid question I have? They said North American power tops out at 2000w. Is it possible that computer components become so power hungry that there is a limit to what is possible? Like GPU’s and CPU’s stop progressing because there’s no more power available?
@@granthoover9045 possible, but unlikely. New generations of hardware have focused pretty hard on reducing consumption and increasing efficiency. This is most seen in memory and processors denoted as LP or L, which is generally short for low power, or sometimes LV in memory case for low voltage.
DDR5 uses less power overall for the same output a comparable DDR4 would. The same can be seen in newer processors, since we’re at a point where we’re installing transistors so small we can’t make them smaller. Like it’s literally against the laws of physics to make them smaller.
So much of the focus the last few years has been making less do the same, which increases efficiency by space.
2000 watts is ALOT of juice for a computer, we’re talking a terabyte of memory or dual socket platinum 48 core xeon processors with 96 PCIE lanes. Maybe some Bitcoin mining farms will hit 2k per breaker, but only after 4 high end 500 watt graphics cards chewing away at them hashes.
I run a server In my house, and it’s 16 years old, DDR2 FB no multi threading. Old and hungry. Barely eats 700 watts at full output, and around 250 at idle.
So I’d say it’s possible, but unlikely. Just from the hardware perspective, there are plenty of options, and from an engineering standpoint, nothing is impossible.
Love these vids, but they’re getting a bit too technical for me to follow.
Wow, you really went to town on the PSU test rack. That's a serious bit of kit. Very flexible, good choices. Wouldn't surprise me if Choma start offering this bespoke rack to the PSU makers. They all watch your videos, so they'll want to make sure it passes on this exact same rack. You can really push the industry here. Well done. Open source the test interface hardware and software.
Maybe a video on eevblog2 explaining how some of this thing works?
@@scottpelletier1370 Kraykie! (Don't know how to write it 🤣)
Really love seeing you here @EEVblog 😌It would be great if you can publish out a video as well on this topic or maybe you already have one. It would be nice to see how this thing works from your perspective as well. I love your channel! Been watching it since my college days taking Electronics & Communications Engineering and that was many years ago 😅.
@@johnkristian Crikey!
@@scottpelletier1370 lol don't think too hard, plenty of nice articles on these topics
I love the direction you guys are taking with the company. This is the stuff of dreams.
Also very useful. There are not many professional independent testers for these kinds of things.
I absolutely love the sass from Kyle
"Why are you telling me this like you're the one who's going too be building this?"
With all the sass of a mother trying to get their child to understand why they should do the right thing.
how long we think he'll last being this snappy to the boss on camera
@@camhissey this is why linus hired him, because linus is not a engineer / electrician.
@@camhissey I mean Colton is still around and gets fired basically every time he is on camera and likely even more off camera.
i expected linus to say "i pay your time that you use to do it?"
@@camhissey you just summed up all lasting ltt members... on camera that's what he wants you to do lol
The lab is the most exciting thing in IT I've seen for a while. This is reallly going to shake up how the qualiity of even basic components are manufactured.
LTT Labs is my favorite thing about the current direction of the channel. As a test engineer who spends a significant amount of time dealing with the tools that you guys are using, it is really interesting to listen to what you're doing and think about how it could apply to my job.
Keep making the cool content!
LTT labs has an official name now, Lab32
@@notstonks20 that… sounds kind of lame, i’d consider even just LTT labs to be a better name. there’s also the fact that there’s a company already called Lab32
@@neek01 how about: LigmaLabs
I love the aesthetic design of this sort of stuff, firmly rooted in 1990 due to not being for consumers. Imagine how bad it would look if it was "gamerified"
It’s be another $15,000 for RGB
This isnt even a consumer thing.... stupid to even think of making it to appeal to them
@@umutozbay6 that’s literally exactly what they are saying
@@umutozbay6 that’s what the comment said
You mean, how great* it would look in RGB
Linus, this guy knows his stuff and was confident enough to tell you exactly how it is. Keep him around!
Kyle is wicked smart, he helped run a makerspace before covid, just down the street from LTT. always great to see him in the videos, 100% Kyle is just like that in real life.
Why are you guys imagining linus as the average narky boss? Jeez its like you've never watched a WAN show or channel superfun or something.
@@sid6645 He's actually gotten pretty snarky and rude over the years.
Few things say "I believe in the product I make" than sponsoring the equipment to actually test it AND its competition, and the way in the WAN show the ONLY thing they wanted Linus to talk about was their warranty. Massive props to Seasonic for actually doing what matters
Right! Last week I just put together a new rig and after much research I settled on the Seasonic FOCUS GX-850, 850W 80+ Gold, Full-Modular, with Silent operation. It is amazing and after seeing this I couldn't be happier with my decision. I love that it will run silent while web browsing/streaming RUclips. the setup: Asus TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS mainboard w/ i7 12700k.. ASUS ROG Strix RTX 3070 Ti OC Im also loving my new Noctua NH-U12S.
@@scottcol23 Lol this sounds like an advertisement
@@dobrx6199 or like he copy pasted the name, because every single computer part has a thousand random letters and numbers for its name and is impossible to remember
This is like the time this bullet proof vest company ceo shot themselves with the body armor on to prove it works.
@@scottcol23 Noctua makes the best fans.
I adore the working relationship Linus has with his team. 99% of employees walk on eggshells around their boss and I wish it could be more like this.
This is how it should be, and the employees gets so much more productive this way.
Until you get the employees that stop respecting their boss because they're "friends" and start slacking.
@@FakeChannel4 Give it a few more years 😜
@@FakeChannel4 There will always be people who don’t pull their weight, and they are far more likely to do this to a boss who’s a demanding a-hole, than someone who treats them fairly and with respect.
And then there's "always fired" Colton xD
That jab at Colton when you said "separate the good from the bad," and it was a picture of the LTT logo, and then Colton comes out and gets separated from it, had me cracking up. You guys play into that meme in the best possible ways 😂
Seasonic and D-Brand are absolutely the best sponsors LTT often have. The balls on those companies are massive.
Thank you
@@fyutffdtuibgfetu do you work there? Your company is awesome.
@@stevess7777 no. I work there. He is just rando
Damn niceee 🔥
@@stevess7777 lol no, but I actually work for Seasonic 😊
Love the honesty from Kyle - "Why are you telling me this like you're the one who is actually going to build this stuff"
Linus being yelled at should be the norm in videos moving forward! Hahaha!
I definitely replayed that bit a couple of times, it was brilliant.
just shows that Linus trusts his experts and they trust him back. Cant get a better work relationship than that. Shame that Most companies have yet to understand this.
Yes
But Linus will be paying Kyle's wages while he builds the stuff. It's BOSS Linus talking, since prebuilt cables are only a couple of bucks a piece.
Gotta love a boss that lets you yell at them with no repercussions. Takes a good one to realize when they're out of line or outclassed.
The worst are the ones that hire you for your expertise and then treat you like you're not an expert. Pissing contests like that ruin companies
I love the interplay between the natural presenter of Linus and Kyle who clearly is just trying to do an actual job and do it well while having to babysit
Absolutely 😂
And it’s even funnier because Linus is technically his boss but it’s more like Kyle is just watching Linus the whole time so he doesn’t break anything
It is good to have a boss that respects your area of expertise tho, bet he doesn't mind the arrangement.
kyle is my new favorite person
any time linus touches or complains about anything you just hear "nooooo" from the background
This is the first time, a sponsored video has like sold me and made me felt confident in a manufacturers product. As Linus said, the fact that Seasonic sponsored this means that they are confident that their power supplies will pass all the tests.
yeah i am sure Seasonic has a dozen of these or better that they run their tests on.
4:25
Speaking for Germany here:
We have 16A breakers for many if not most outlets. Since we're using 230V we can draw up to 3680W from the wall.
@@bradhaines3142 I mean, anyway this winter at least here in europe not many people are gonna draw 3680watt from the wall ^^
Hi, i have 3x25a main fuses at home in the netherlands. And its sometimes at the low side of breaking the main fuses.
So 3x25a its 17.000 watt what a home owner in the netherland can handel
We have 16A as well here in Denmark, mostly in automatic relays though, normally it's 230V but the Power connection is 400V, it's used for high power use items like the washing machine, dryer, electric heating and stove. You can have 25A in some house I think, but those would be rare and not relay.
So a normal house can go from 3680W to around 6400W, depending on what connection you use.
@@-JustHuman- yes or 2x16a for a electric induction cooker, like a siemens or bosch. Sometimes need a induction cooker 3 fases. If you have the big one in your home.
Meanwhile in Australia, most homes have 10A single phase breakers at 230-240V. Depending on the type of Aircon installed, three phase 415V with 25A breakers may be installed. We rarely need three phase for other appliances, unless you're using industrial/commercial appliances. If you tend to operate high amperage goods in your home workshop (ie welders, compressors, various machinery, etc.), you can get a 15A plug installed with a 16A or 20A breaker.
Having grown up with an electrical engineer father Kyle's reaction to Linus trying to understand anything is basically me my entire childhood watching my dad do anything tech related and then act like I understood anything until I saw his reaction xD
Holy crap. I was looking at Chroma systems back when I was designing power supplies. Looks like you guys went all out! Re the multimeter: Most oscilloscopes are terrible for making accurate voltage measurements (8-10 bit ADCs). They are just for looking at the waveforms.
This what I was going to say.
They did say in the video it was just for pretty graphs lol
Long time not seeing a video from you, can you please get "back in business" ? :)
I am confused; how can a scope be a piss-poor voltmeter but draw graphs of changing voltages? Are they just bad at defining the absolute voltage of any signal at any moment but really good at comparing it with a measurement taken at another moment?
@@ahmetrefikeryilmaz4432 Yep, pretty much
Holy cow. Hard core. Congratulations. Can’t wait to see the testing.
This guy is my favorite to watch. His frustration is genuinely cathertic
Can't wait to indulge in testing content on hardware I can't even afford!
That's normal.. If it were a channel about cars I wouldn't be complaining if there was a lack of Kias. I'm here to see the cool stuff. If I wanted reviews on a POS car I'd start a RUclips channel 😂
@@aesop2733 There's just something so satisfying watching things getting unboxed and tested, once you do it yourself, it's just one and done.
They are probably going to test regular consumer power supplies with this machine. Linus definitely knows that videos with real world practicality get views
@@manaatti27 absolutely! I thought you were being sarcastic.
@@tylersanders2388 regular consumer products that I can't afford
I know this is just dipping into the engineering behind all of this but honestly this video was super helpful to even get my head around what it means to test a product. Would look to see more deep dives into testing and even the theory of testing!
its boring most viewers dont care about watts and energy enginnnering I fell asleep
@@luisbal20 dude this is ltt 90% of peeps here are nerds that love this stuff u dont know wtf u talking about
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@@bigzary5550 yea computer nerds, not electrical engineering nerds
@@luisbal20 PSUs are like the most important component of a build. I think any salient PC nerd will care.
I can't wait for Labs to be fully operational. It's going to be great for the community and keeping manufacturers accountable
What I love about this is how much personal ownership Kyle is taking of this tester. You can really tell it means something to him to have this which means as viewers, we're going to get outstanding content from his use of this bonkers contraption.
And I feel very sorry for him for having to put up with Linus' childish behavior. It was actually kinda heartbreaking.
@@blockbertus don't forget who is the guy allowing he to use that tool.
@@recurssion who pays for it too
@@blockbertus linus is upping the sillyness for the camera
@@blockbertus Almost like hes the founder and boss of an entertainment oriented tech media group or smth smh
I love how little trust there is in Linus not to break/lose/drop this very expensive bit of kit. Nice to put the boss in his place, also nice to see Linus taking it in his stride rather than "don't you know who I am?" sort of thing.
"don't you know who I am?"
"Yes, I do know exactly who are, that's why I'm telling you to stop touching that right away!!"
That's what I came here to say! Such a good professional dynamic in that workplace, must be great to work there :)
Yeah, I kinda live for seeing that stuff, instead of that weird power dynamic most bosses like to flaunt and can never be wrong. I think you end up gaining more respect by treating people like normal human beings and being able to pick fun at eachother while also making sure the job gets done properly. If Linus really is how he seems on camera then i'd consider myself lucky to be part of the team. Working WITH someone not FOR them.
I am more excited for the LTT Lab than I have been for a lot of content for a while now. As everyone seems to be saying, it's exciting to see how enthusiastic this new crew is to get things running.
As a test engineer, I've got to say, this is a really impressive test setup (not sure about the pass/fail thingy though, not entirely sure what it is and what it's needed for). One note though, even if you have a scope, a DMM is still necessary because a scope is specialised at getting timing information very accurately and exact amplitude is usually less useful. So while a scope will have some DMM function, it's only going to give you like 3 or maybe 4 digits of precision, whereas a DMM can easily go to 6.5 digit. Admittedly that accuracy is maybe overkill for PSUs but it gives you trust in your measurements, i.e. if the 6.5 digit DMM says the voltage is 12.56864 then you maybe don't care about the microvolt accuracy (and realistically you're not gonna use it in microvolt range because acquisition time is very slow in that range) but you're not ever gonna doubt the millivolt accuracy.
So as a test engineer you shouldn't be that impressed, that's normal measuring equipment. As for the DMM, I have to say you're right on the one hand and wrong on the other. The Chroma already has a relatively high-speed DMM built in, so in principle it's not necessary, but in fact it needs to be calibrated and for that a DMM is useful, at least if you do it yourself and want to achieve very accurate results. What surprises me is that they bought the automatic Chroma, which is completely unsuitable for a laboratory.
Reading this makes me feel stupid.
@@tytusromek9267 what's an Automatic Chroma? Didn't hear them mention that during the video. Unless you mean the pass/fail tester thing.
@@moredots The automatic chroma is for random testing. You write the program, connect the power supply and get a protocol. The programs are also interchangeable, so if there are problems you can test the same power supply with the same program on a second Chroma.
The advantage is that the operator does not have to know anything about the Chroma, just connect the power supply, press the button, everyone can do it. If problems occur, this is forwarded and the engineer/physicist looks at it. This is why they are also used in QA.
The disadvantage is that it is more difficult to do anything beyond that, you are somewhat bound to the program. So if you want to test something special, or there were problems in the process, etc.. you have to rewrite the program. It is not impossible to intervene directly, but you realize that these are not meant for that, but rather for automated testing.
The manual ones are then used in laboratories (not only in power supplies, but also in batteries, solar cells, aviation and space technology. Everywhere where electricity is converted or generated) with several and high quality measuring equipment like oscilloscopes.
These can also be programmed, but also allow complete manual access. It is not only about the tests themselves but about the combination of the electronic loads, the manual ones allow very easy exchange of the loads. So you can adapt them to changed test operations e.g. ATX 3.0
They are also used in the labs of the manufacturers, at Cooler Master HQ I know that they use tektronix oscilloscope, one costs over 10000$. Enermax, FSP, Seasonic... also use both, but there my info is very old.
Also the other well known power supply testers use them like Aris Mpitziopoulos(Cybenetics, Toms, hardwarebusters), Hardwareluxx, TweakPC...
The disadvantage here is that you need very good professionals.
The smaller test sites use Sunmoon Load Tester, these are much less accurate but also offer many options. These are also used by the manufacturers for RMA
@@tytusromek9267 thanks for the response. That all makes sense. So that's the piece of equipment directly below all the DC loads, right?
I work in development not QA so we spend our money on oscilloscopes (I much prefer my LeCroys to Tektronix), but I do have 4 or 5 Chroma programmable AC supplies, though a few generations older than this one. I asked for one from Santa Claus (to do high current surge testing) to the tune of about $75k but I don't know if it's in the cards this year.
I have also lusted after a DC load mainframe like this (just the loads, not all the other stuff) but it's hard to justify when you've got stuff that already kinda does the job.
Me: I want a Chroma programmable DC electronic load mainframe!
Mom: We have DC electronic loads at home.
DC Electronic Loads at Home:
combined with the cable tester and color disks, Linus is on track to genuinely become a person who can speak for consumers and get genuine factual information a lot of companies may omit or mislead customers with.
7:07
@@Julzaa lol that was funny
No doubt. At this rate Linus is on track to be GamersNexus Lite - now with more clickbait.
@@benjaminlynch9958 I wouldn't call it the lite version when they bought more advanced and new equipment.
@@dbman992 Linus has far better equipment. Gamernexus is basically the poor mans reviewer. He always complains over anything. Everything is always too expensive and the cheapest dogshit is somehow always the best choice. He really knows how to cater to his specific "pennyless" audience...
I love the direction this channel is going. Most tech channels, even the best trusted ones are going to review products based on their own experience or at most some things they can measure with their pc, but you're really going to mathematically demonstrate if a product is a quality one and why it is, love it
GN also recently got into power supply testing and even fan testing
I love how Kyle just put _his boss_ when he thought Linus might mess something up, like loosing one of the USB thumb drive. Though for a good reason, it's stupid expensive.
It might sound a little disrespectful, but it's 'tough love' and Linus recognized that b/c for all the ragging we do on him we do know he seems to be a wise and fundamentally decent chap and good boss. Kyle was just making sure Linus Media Group didn't lose a significant amount of money. This is one of the ways you can tell that a company (of any size) is well-run: when the employees feel empowered to argue with their 'superiors' and the 'superiors' actually listen to what they have to say. Watch some videos with Elon Musk at Tesla or Space X : He does drive some employees a way with a bit over the top expectations as to work ethic, but one thing you cannot say is that he doesn't talk to the guys and gals on the 'line' constantly and they do obviously feel free to add their own ideas to things or to disagree with him.
In Germany almost every house has a 3 Phase 230V 16A outlet which would be able to put out about 11kW. Some houses and most farms have 32A outlets, but most people use them with 40A breakers. So we'd be able to draw 48kW from our wall.
Was going to say something similar for the UK. Most commonly cookers are installed on a 30amp fuse which would mean it could draw just over 7kw, and you can get higher fused outlets for things like EV chargers. Think he maybe means from a standard outlet though not sure.
@@georeb7040 I think so too. 230V 16A single phase would be 3650W. Cookers in Germany usually use two seperate plugs for two seperate outlets with two seperate phases to get 400V.
Yeah my kettle alone in the UK can draw 3.5kW. Never really appreciated our electrical system 😂
Respect to Seasonic for sponsoring this. Seriously, that's the direction id love to see companies promote their products.
I love how Linus's workers have to keep him in line with the stuff he's bought so he doesn't break or lose them!
"No! Put it back!"
Yeah, I sometimes wonder why he's a bit aggressive with tech. Maybe he isn't really but he certainly comes across that way from time to time.
"I SPENT 6 MONTHS RESEARCHING THIS..."
The pain in the man's voice is unfeigned
I love people like the gentle man in orange who know their stuff....as always, linus has me learning something new
12:36 - this right here is what EVERY tier 1 power supply manufacturer is feeling right now. Their testing equipment wasn't designed for transient power spike testing, and now that Nvidia isn't backing down on their immense power draw manufacturers had to not only MAKE power supplies that can deal with it but also change their equipment to test that they can deal with it. Ripple effects
This comment needs to be higher up. Power supply evaluation is more important than ever now that the GPU power paradigm has changed and it's no longer sufficient to judge the compatibility of a PSU based on a simple minimum wattage value.
Yup, 4090 coming out and psu’s need to handle these spikes because they can’t handle a 3090 atm. Nvidia = bigger.
I absolutely love this duo between Kyle and Linus. The same sorta thing Jake and Alex have, they bring out a different version of him :D
Linus's many alter egos ...
"If you loose it, it's 70 grand to replace it." Man, I love how much of a racket enterprise computing is.
In this case it's warented. This is highly speciallized software that took a lot of manhours to develop and maintain
Lose*
Don't believe all the bs you hear...
Just about everything is a racket enterprise in captialism
@@charlesmiv3842 Guys, I think we found Lenin.
Anyone who's as excited about industrial test equipment as Kyle is is a keeper.
Great! Now overpriced brands won't be able to hide behind a name, and people on a budget will be able to cheap out without causing a fire (I'm looking at you, Gigabyte)...
@@dontreadmyprofilepicture5552 fuck off and go back to 2012 when this was actually an original idea
@@davidbrennan5 Linus has a broader and more diversified audience so the exposition might as well be bigger.
@@davidbrennan5 The testing GN does is not as sophisticated as this though.
@@slartibartfast2649 and linus group is more entertaining and are better at explaining this in a way people who are not experienced in the field can understand
Didn't they buy an hdmi/usb tester thingy? Lol did anyone even save money or did he even give any recommendations?
Weirdly enough this is one of the most effective ways to convince me you have a good product. Well done seasonic
You don't see the problem with this?
They will know that you will think that, so even if their product is sh*t they will still sponsor this video.
They can't prevent Linus from buying the equipment, but at least they can profit of it now before Linus destroys their brand.
@@Jehty_ the time period between sponsoring this video and the time it would take for the reputation to be demolished (assuming they have a crappy product) wouldn't be enough to recuperate the cost it will take to sponsor linus's videos. Horrible marketing choice because they will simply be at a loss
@@LoneBeastYT your comment makes 0 sense.
A sponsorship makes money for a few days maybe a few weeks. That's when most people view the video and therefore see the sponsor.
The first test video with this machine will come out in a few months. At that point nobody will remember this sponsorship.
@@Jehty_ Seasonic aren't some fly-by-night company that are going to disappear in a few months.
@@Jehty_ 3 people said that seasonic is the best, so they are the best, seasonic can't be loosing money on this investment right?
we can ignore the fact that they mentioned an external test bench because they can't test that much POWAAAAA (after a $120k thumb nail) I guess a 4090 is too powerfull or Nvidia paid more then Seasonic who knows 🤔
As an electronics engeneering student from Brazil, i can't remember a video that got me so happy watching it. Thank you guys, i wish you the best, and am anxiosly waiting for the PSU testing videos.
if you really want to go for this "docked" solution, you should make a pcb that slides in as a whole but still do a flexible connection to the test bench (Between PCB and Testbench) to take away the stress from the connectors when plugged in. Because there always is a little.
That way you have a quick connection for every plug like you mentioned but also keep the connectors in good shape.
Electrical bonding is important, I worked aircraft electronics for years, and every piece was grounded just like this. Most equipment had spring centered contact patches to ensure it.
did these Chroma guys actually just rebrand Keysight instruments?
Card are similar that way but the opposite the grounds are one of the first places to check if you are having an open condition because the manufacturers are lazy about ensuring good ground
@@RandomUser2401 Rebranding is pretty common, but I'd bet they share an OEM.
It's called equipotential bonding. And is as it sounds. Equal potential. No difference in voltage anywhere.
@@stuartlunsford7556 looks like these are indeed their own instruments or at least no rebranded Keysight. Keysight btw for sure does not have any OEM they do their own instruments.
I love this orange shirt guy. I love his energy and the pushback he gives to Linus. Obviously he creates the atmosphere where this feedback is acceptable _(good mgmt),_ but it's great to see. This dude is passionate.
Can't wait to see both LTT's and GamersNexus PSU results, then compare to TomsHardware. I love all these new datapoints!
I would love to see both long-haired nerds go at it to see who can pop the most power supplies.
Funny how people perceive things differently. I think he came across as a bit of a knob.
@@iio58 British your opinion is irrelevant
Its sad johnyguru is now at corsair. The OG power supply test on the net.
@@KarrasBastomi johnyguru was my go to for years before he went to corsair
There's even better ones that show the degree of rotation your parcel has had as well. Super helpful stuff!
@@dontreadmyprofilepicture5552 Okay, just reported as spam. :)
Wasn't that inside the box? The tilt one?
@@TheMyleyD Maybe, I haven't seen the sand ones. I've only seen ones that have 5 or 6 balls in differently angled channels. When the package is tilted beyond that angle, the ball drops into a permanent holding cell to indicate it has went past that point.
There are also indicators that show if the transport vehicle was driven erratically.
There are also indicators that show the size of any bullets going through your parcel when in transit through Texas. It's those big light brown panels all around the package.
This is the kind of tech content I am looking forward to, I'm not a serious gamer so I'm not really concerned with getting the latest and greatest ultra refreshrate monitor etc for myself but I do enjoy learning about what goes into the tech that's out there and knowing why what's good is good and what's bad isn't
I am loving how Kyle just bosses Linus around through the entire thing.
jonnyguru would be proud
He is just not having any of Linus's BS and its great.
LMGs growth is honestly something to truly aspire for, this IS the content we want to watch.
More technical, in depth, engineering oriented and science-based content will make us consumers much much more educated on these topics thus when picking a product not only will we pick the best choice but we'll know exactly why we picked it (which helps greatly with buyers remorse).
It will force companies to either up the performance or stop the claims they give that their product can do as well. This could cause some companies to be industry standards and some fall off.
"LMGs growth is honestly something to truly aspire for"
if you're a fan of Kardashians, sure.
@@ryanjcole I am not sure where you're coming from. I don't think Linus fucked a BBC on camera and rode the wave from that.
Linus: seperate the good from the bad
graphics: seperate LTT from Colton
I literally laughed out loud when I saw that 😂
This! Poor Colton! LOL
After the damage that they did on Linus house, he kinda deserves it
Kyle is like LTT's Bertram Gilfoyle. I love him... we need more Kyle yelling at Linus on the channel.
As a engineer in technical communication this content is so nice. So awesome to see how the testing will work and everything is being communicated transparently. This could become a huge step forward for both, users and manufactures. Also very nice hearing technical details by experts, love it!
Linus's slightly underwhelming reaction to that slew rate state is almost hilarious! Thats an insane amount of change in power per uS... those things gonna get toasty warm if pushed that hard!!!
That’s why datasheets always use units like V/s to make it sound more impressive. In this case the slew rate is 8,000,000 amps per second. Not bad considering PSU measurements use a 20mhz bandwidth limit by convention.
0:17 poor Colton...
I had the same face expressions as Linus during this video. Alot of information about something I have no clue about, but it was very interesting to hear Kyle's expertise about this machine. Looking forward to other content from Lab2.
Kyle's reaction to Linus smacking the crate with the hammer, we feel you man. Also, fun prank, if you suspect someone is a gift shaker at Christmas cover their gifts in G-shock and tip/tilt watch stickers when they get put under the tree
“To separate the good from the bad” PROCEEDS to show Colton to represent the bad 💀
...and not Dennis? 🤔
@@deanfranz It's that recurring joke that Colton gets fired nearly every episode.
@@AnnHiroCh Thanks...I needed that.
LOL "The good from the bad" got me
He gonna get fired trust me
@@TokinoSora10thApostle again?
Pooping on Colton is always gold lol.
Colton is doomed 💀
04:27 almost there. 16A at 230V~240V so 3680W at 230V to trip a european breaker prepared for normal usage.
Here the most common/basic house layout is one or two 10A circuit for lighting, some (2-to-whatever) 16A circuits for normal usage, one 20A circuit for washer+water heather (similar to how people in 130V have a 230V circuit only for that) and a 25A for the ceramic cooktop in the kitchen.
So the day that "ultimate gamer setup" requires 25A/5750W, we'll play in the kitchen, eating is overrated after all >:)
No problem, we can handle 11 000 W @ 400V in most Danish kitchens lol ;)
@@96Lauriz Those are some powerful kettles!
I used to work for a Heater Manufacturer and they use Tip N Tell on all of their units and are posted on the outside before the shipping process.
If any of those were fully or slightly into the arrow part of the label, we would tell all of our customers to not accept the unit(s) and we would replace them for free.
I assume you would make the shipping company or insurance pay for the "damaged" product?
@@Jehty_ Correct, we would have insurance and discrepancy forms with each freight company we used, that way everything was accounted for.
Can I just say this is really freeking cool. Also its fun watching Linus' brain trying to keep up with expert/specialists seemingly "live" (doesn't feel scripted) ;)
As an engineer i feel Kyle's pain when showing new expensive tooling to my boss
Kyle still has a lot to learn about it too. but yeah, Linus knows a lot less about it.
From what I hear PSUs like Seasonic Prime perform better in the US than the equivalent EU version because they're designed with the US power grid in mind and then converted. Any idea if this is true and can this fancy machine test for it?
The EU has a different power grid and does not have the problems that US households have or the problems with high wattage power supplies. Generally power supplies in EU achieve better efficiency than in USA. You can see not only in our reviews.
All of Edison’s power installations across the United States were 110 volts DC. (It was the DC part that was Edison’s downfall. Direct current can’t travel long distances. George Westinghouse and others went with alternating current, and won the “war of currents
if that is true then its kind of a stupid decision IMO, there are far more people running 220v-240v power than there are running 110v-120v
absolutely love you shared the transit packaging 'safety' procedures they put in place on outside, freaking nice.
Its somewhat common on "Lab" equipment. I remember being amazed how much "ointless" precautions a supplier made when my company got testing equipment.
Seasonic sponsoring this video and putting you on track to use the same hardware for testing they use is actually a big-brain move. Because now, they will always have the home field advantage. Even if a competitor is using a piece of kit for testing with more capability than this one does, it won't matter because this one can't see those bars to compare against.
I thing Kyle would not only contact seasonic for input.
Realistically he'd done MONTHS of research on this aside from just seasonic's input, and just because that's what they use doesn't mean they can't also push seasonic power supplies to their limit (along with all the other competition). This build EXCEEDS seasonic's own even with newer hardware than they have.
In terms of optics, Seasonic sponsoring the video and providing the spec for the gear that will be used to test their products isn't really a great indicator of much other than how big of a favor Linus owes them when his company is reviewing their gear. Having said that, they do have a reputation of making high quality stuff. The ethical move would have been to stay away from the process and let LTT come up with their own methodology with the confidence they would look good no matter what the lab threw at them.
There seems to be some misinterpretation of my comment, so I'm hoping to clear things up here.
What I meant was that there are probably a handful of companies that make testers like these. Of them, they probably each have their pros and cons, and each might have some niche thing that sets them apart from each other.
I have no doubt that he spent months researching the varying options, but what you can find out about something from sales persons and brouchers is a sliver of what you can learn from talking to people with first hand experience.
So, ultimately, the more support Seasonic gave to LMG, the more it helped sway the use of a similar system to what they themselves used to benchmark and test the quality of their and their competitors products.
This gives them a homefield advantage over manufacturers that test their equipment using a setup made by a different company. I would say in a similar fashion to convincing them to only test gpus on motherboards running intel processors would give a company an advantage over another gpu manufacturer that optomizes for amd processors. I hope that makes sense.
I'm not saying this is a bad thing. I'm sure there is an industry standard that everyone tests to. But it's those niche things that go beyond which will set everything apart in the higher end of products.
Seasonic is definitely putting their money where their mouth is though, and that's good. I hope more companies do in the future.
Exactly what I was thinking. They make their power supplies to suit that machine. Pretty obvious to me
love how sea sonic is a sponsor knowing your gonna challenge everything they say. companies like that are gems
Wow. They sure are CONFIDENT.
@@largesizejellyfish3014 It's freaking Seasonic, what did you expect...they basically set the standards that everyone else follows in the first place.
This is a skit without it being a skit 😂 Linus you’re like my brother, a genius but I wouldn’t let you touch my things.
we need more Kyle in future videos. This duo is so entertaining 😂
6:14 & 6:53
We need Kyle and Dennis
@@shutout951 dennis is his own boss in disrupting his boss...
is he south african/
@@kxnfuzed2582 yes
I adore the passion Kyle has for this project it fills me with excitement and curiosity about his field of expertise.
Love the synergy between Kyle and Linus in this video. Kyle was taking the reins and Linus is just there for the ride.
3:47 look at that employee boss relatiobship
Kyle was hilarious, hope to see more of him in future vids!
His accent is delightful.
@@willg955 Is that south african or german?
@@munmajnebulah I also keep thinking South African
not German
@@munmajnebulah it sounds almost swiss german to me
Seasonic has ALWAYS been my favorite PSU company since I first bought one probably 15 years ago. I definitely believe they have balls big enough to sponsor this video :P
Awesome warranty, no coil wine, no RGB - one of those rare companies where you get the sense that your money actually went into the quality of the product!
Where I used to work, this thing would have been a dream.
Most of the things we used as a load was either a big variable resistor known as a rheostat, or old style light bulbs.
Assuming their PSUs do well in the tests, which I’d imagine they will, Seasonic will definitely be who I go with when I get a new one.
HAH no, corsair
@@dookcurruff9047 I guess I’ve never looked until Corsair PSUs, but it’ll come down to how these LTT labs go for me.
My current EVGA PSU handles a 3080 just fine so I’ve got awhile
@@dookcurruff9047 lol, Corsair employee.
I have a Corsair branded Seasonic power supply. Soooo there's that!
From sponsoring thanksgiving videos just to say happy thanksgiving to this absolutely chad move, Seasonic PSUs are going in every single future computer builds that I get my hands in.
Good job, good people over at seasonic. Good job.
Actually tripping a typical European braker (16A) requires you to pull about 4200W+ from the wall (and what is funny, you can pull up even more, probably up to 4500W+ for a little moment, and the fuse should withstand it).
It all depends if your on 115 volt or 220 volt..
@@joshuasterling2144 In Europe we only have 220-240V and 380-400V between phases ;)
@@joshuasterling2144 europe is on 230V for household applications, hasn´t been 220 for close to 40 years
208v 3 phase.
@@yannik.f22 I was referencing Europe.
5:30 The grounding isn't for safety, it's for EMI and to help with common mode noise suppression. Extra safety is a nice side benefit though!
Yea, quite a few minor things wrong in this video, that being said I don't see any issues with the setup or devices. I just hope they go with a decent oscilloscope.
Also for making sure the ground potential is the same for all of the equipment iirc
@@fetzie23 That's not that important in this kind of application, the grounds are not supposed to be carrying any current. If you noticed each programmable load has it's own ground going to the connector panel for that reason.
@@faranocks As they are paying $133K (I think they said) for this I'm sure any oscilloscope they buy will be quite decent. Not to mention that they have a list of recommended models to chose from. These are not likely to be the bargain bin variety...
@@blahorgaslisk7763 obviously but I've had issues with the accuracy (or the frequency of tuning, really) of some of the higher end oscilloscopes I use in my research lab. Expensive =/= good, the ones I'm using cost upwards of 10k each. That being said the usecase is a bit different. I'm mostly dealing with lower voltages, and signal quality rather than power and power quality.
looking forward to having benchmarks from all the power supplys
The future is looking bright in the tech youtuber space with LTT bringing in their Labs space, GN with their comprehensive pieces, and Hardware/Monitors Unboxed cutting through the bs of monitor companies.
"GN with their comprehensive pieces"
Press F for GN. No but seriously, when Linus announced that he'd be copying them, and with like 10 times the budget, I really felt for Steve and the guys.
I am a 61 year old tech nerd. On internet with a Amiga 600hd.. this channel is turning into tech nerd crap.. my 7 year old granddaughter loves her Razor Pro 17.. and computer nerd stuff..
But as she said.. Gamers Nexus already does this stuff.. so why copy and repeat them?
@@ctrlectrld Oh I agree Steve and the GN team are going to have their work cut out for them big time when the LTT Labs are fully online. That being said I think LTT will still keep their Labs content somewhat dumbed down for the larger audiences and easier to consume. Whereas GN is way more into the technical side of things on the components. But I could be wrong on that assumption and only time will tell.
@@ctrlectrld they didn’t even uploaded single lab video, how do you say F for GN.
NICE!! It's great seeing the Lab come together...and this proves that you're really serious about this whole gig. I genuinely am looking forward to seeing what this complete setup can do!
Tech Jesus is drooling looking at this video 😁😁
Tech Jesus is in the video!
linus thank you so much for being so consistent, everyday i get on youtube I’m excited to see what you and LMG are doing :-) thank you been watching for over 10 years now
2:22 - I can totally confirm - worked at UPS as Loader and Driver - NO ONE GIVES A S# about any sticker on the box, fragile or not, temperature or not, chemical or not, whatever man just throw it, step on it, put it as it fits, after seeing how packages are treated by 2 courier companies I was amazed that nothing ever came broken to me.
I saw that sticker that turns red but with something different, it was turning red if the package had some shock or whatever, I got a picture of that because I thought that sticker it's cool and a very must-have in case of expansive deliveries, though the package was way smaller and that sticker was wayyy red by the time I got my hands on - also, a package that size can't really be flipped without really bad maneuvers, I doubt anyone lifted it without a forklift
Labs is looking super promising! This level of accuracy verifying manufacturer claims can only mean good things for us on the consumer side. It’s crazy how far LTT has come!
Except LTT hires morons to do all the testing. All the accuracy and equipment in the world doesn't mean shit if the data and the operator are garbage. GN spent a year learning how to use an industry leading fan tester to ensure they are providing accurate data. People don't realize the amount of education required to use this equipment and LTT has NOT shown they have the competence to produce accuracy.
DAMN The editor did NOT have to do Colton like that
Y’all are really doing some cool stuff. I got to work with test engineers at a very innovative company for automated testing, but I’m just the supply chain guy, my brain doesn’t work at that level. Mad respect.
I am extremely excited to see the PSU testing being done… I love this side of LTT. Kyle, you are an awesome personality! Looking forward to more
3:50 European max power on a one phase standard power outlet is 3680W ( 230V x 16A ) - The 3500W of the source is lower than the possible Power that is in Europe available at a standard outlet and a green/yellow cable is standard for ground in Europe.
I'd like Kyle to do a basic video on how power electronic components work, so that people can understand the testing properly.
I'll be honest, I'm a little more impressed by all the cool stuff they have to make sure your items never tipped over when shipped lol
I love that LTT has become the tech version of "Ask This Old House".... awesome content!
Would love to see some of those wish power supplys go against this thing
In a space x esk crash compilation
💣💥🔥🔥🔥
They probably will, to educate people that cheap PSUs are not ok.
I admit, this beats my $12 RadioShack-special multimeter for PSU testing.
Imagine being able to spend 10's of thousands of dollars on a machine that tests which 200 dollar 1500 watt power supply is best
@@arasumi3408 I'm not sure that's true. I would assume that those aren't the longest videos or the most popular (based off of a previous video those are the ones that bring the most money I just via video), and even those videos make something like 20k.
and theres hifi amps that cost twice of this, what a world we living in
for $200, any 1500W PSU is a STEAL (assuming it has a decent rating)
@@farmingpotato3372 also to be considered that probably who is working on those tests has a master degree or something in that direction, salary will be according to it ..
@@mastroitek The content they're going to be using it for will most likely be "which is the best power supply" with affiliate links in the description so you can check out their recommendations. Not only that, but the LAB is supposed to be mainly written content, so articles linking where to buy after a quick google search. They will FOR SURE make it back soon.
I am always very excited and proud when people in Linus' team are from South Africa