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A quick look at how blue cheese was discovered
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
- The origin story for blue cheese is really widespread. It is the story of a shepherd who forgets his lunch only to find it much later covered in mold. How much truth is there to this story?
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Sources
Dumas, Emilie, et al. "Independent Domestication Events in the Blue-Cheese Fungus Penicillium Roqueforti." bioRxiv (2019): 451773.
Palmer, Ned. A Cheesemonger's History of the British Isles. London: Profile Books, 2019.
Smith, Charmian. "Singing the Blues." Otago Daily Times, 25 August 2021.
Tunick, Michael H. The Science of Cheese. Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2014.
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00:00 Introduction
01:14 The Story of the Shepherd
02:28 Blue Mold
05:05 Truth or Myth?
06:08 Thanks for watching
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Blue Cheese ruined every other cheese for me. I really struggle to see the point of many other cheeses now.
Cheese in general is probably one of mans greatest creations
So true
No, it is one of God's greatest creations: didn't you know that the Moon is made of "green" (fresh) cheese? :)
@@DieFlabbergast everything is God's creation, that doesn't mean man didn't invent cheese
As a Brit I am a devoted fan of Stilton. I have family that lives in the village of Stilton but the cheese isn’t made there anymore. I now live in Texas and every time I have found and purchased some Stilton I found that it was dead as a door nail as the little bugs were frozen to death. However ….. I saw a little wedge of it in the cheese counter at HEB two days ago and just bought it to try. I was blown away! It was in perfect condition and so creamy and the texture and flavor perfect. Way to go HEB!! They had a full wheel of it sitting there in just the right conditions. Now I can have my favorite cheese. Actually I have never met a cheese I didn’t like but this one is my favorite.
HEB rocks!
I have found it there sometimes as well. Very nice.
My theory is that, someone unnoticeably ate it and tought "damn this is good!", and then found out it was molded, but somehow it became a tradition, maybe because it was so good?
When I first started making cheese, I discovered that blue mold was growing on it. I let it grow and upon tasting it, discovered that my wild blue mold was a very delicious variety. Where did it come from? I live in Japan and up to that point, I'd never had blue cheese in my house (I only started seeing it in the shops fairly recently). Not only that, but when I moved houses this year, I let some cheese pick up the natural blue and it's the same mold. Granted, it could have come from my existing setup, but I actually think this blue mold is endemic to the region. It's completely possible that the blue mold originated somehow from European cheese sometime in the past, but I suspect penecillium roqueforti is relatively common around the world (however it got there). I have a similar experience with geotrichum and for many of my cheeses my local geotrichum is quite a bit nicer than the variety that I can buy.
As a unique strain was recently found here in New Zealand, I agree that there will be different strains all over the world
You may have stumbled onto a business opportunity without realizing it. Maybe you should consider contacting one of the Japanese universities that has a food science or agriculture program and see if they would do some testing on the strains of geotrichum and roqueforti to find out if there is anything unique. Anew strain or non commercialized strain would be of huge interest to both the science and food industry and could be the next big craze for cheese loving foodies like myself.
interesting fact, they actually found the same penicillin used in blue cheese from 2,700 year old salt mines in Austria dating from the celtic la tene culture.
My RUclips algorithm missed a step on this one. I can't believe it's taken this long to find this channel. Gotta love someone who loves cheese so much so that they created a channel for it. And the fact that it's a history of cheese! It's like winning the lottery. 🧀
Thanks for watching. I am planning to make shorter videos like this one as a quick look into some of the events and stories of cheese history as well as the longer more detailed videos I do. Let me know what you think and if there are any topics you would like to see covered.
I like your theory...it sounds much more plausible. I always imagined that it was a result of a basket that was used to form the cheese. Figured some farmer used baskets to form his cheese and found the family's cheese was lost but due to hunger, desperation or curiosity because the mold hadn't "ruined" all of the cheese, they tried it and voila, a accidental discovery is made. My father grew up in a poor family that never wasted anything and so he's often done something similar with cheese. As a child we would hear him say, "Just trim off the bad part, it'll be fine". Drove me crazy but I'm guessing that's the way these discoveries were made and I'm so glad they were!! Cheers!!
You could well be on to something there. Thanks.
I enjoy your longer videos as well and watch all through them. You do the analytics and see what's best for the channel! 😊
Interesting idea. Thanks
I think I just fell in love a little bit.. This is pinnacle geekdom, and I approve!
Most likely it could've been prisoners in the middle ages who discovered blue cheese. The story goes: A prisoner in a cave/ dungeon was given bread and cheese but he had to ration it. Over time, the bread moulded and the mould spores were transferred to the cheese and became moulded. The prisoner still decided to eat it because that was all he had and had no choice but to eat it. He later then told the barons that he was eating moulded cheese and it tasted pretty damn good. He offered it to the barons and the barons notified the King. The King liked it and ordered the monks to reproduce it because as the prisoner said: It tasted pretty damn good!
Thanks for sharing. Maybe that's how it happened 😀
Secretary: "Do you have any hobbies?"
Egon Spangler: " I collect spores, molds, and fungus. "
Ghostbusters( first if the series...1984???)
I need a channel like this for charcuteries like salami. 😋
5:40 Considering just how poisonous mold is, it's not a question of boldness but desperation. Very few in the west have known true starvation, the hunger that will make you consider eating rotten flesh or other horrid things that could in theory be more dangerous than just waiting to starve. I mean, think of the pour bastard who was so desperate that he took some fermented fish out of basically sewer water and discovered sour herring.
You’re the best in your field. I’m enjoying some Stilton before bed. All the best. Cheers.
Whew! I got some blue cheese on my keyboard.
Good video. I love learning origins.
Keep up the great work!
I really appreciate blue cheese with hot wings. Especially from this wing spot called wings mania in Decatur Georgia 💯
I tried a really interesting blue cheese from France. I’ve never seen such a moldy, moldy cheese. Always wondered how that mold could get there!
Hi from the States. Eating a domestic with saltines. I think I found your channel looking for another variety but ended up here. Blue is my favorite. Just wanted to say this is a solid informative channel and yeah. You’re awesome!😊
Great video, I appreciate how you manage to contain so much information in quick and concise session. Thank you. 😊
I love your scepticism
@ 4:16, One of the " Best & Most Amusing " parts of this Video is " the 2 Cows Lunching " on " the Dry Grass " !
I enjoy your videos! Keep up the awesome work!
Thank you
The bold individual who discovered blue cheese also later discovered raw oysters🤣
The shepherd may have put his lunch in the cave/under the rock for safe keeping until lunchtime. There may have been a storm where he had to get the sheep down from the hill/mountain pasture and it could have been a long time before the path was open again. 🤔🤔 I love the short video and the speedy chipmunk voice.😂😂❤ you are wonderful 😍🤗
Haha. Maybe that's what happened 😁
Great video, I really like when you talk super fast too😁
New subscriber! I just found your channel and absolutely love it. Fascinating, and I'm looking forward to seeing more. Thanks and best wishes. 🧀
Grate video. I subscribed. Looove cheese. You chould make a video about molds and why it thuse not kill us on chese.😊
I love this! Subbed
Legend has it that Roqueforti bacteria was collected from the beard of French Rugby star Sabastian Chabal, when he was chiseled out the cave in the south of France ;)
Nah, the one I had was about using a cave as storage for cheeses I.e. multiple cheeses. The mould, no matter what the cheese, is always the same mould.
Loved this!! Thank you
I was half paying attention, and then heard my country mentioned. I had to play back to see if i really heard what you said, and it indeed was NZ hahah
The "first person" to eat some foods is what always amazes me. Not just moldy cheese. The first person to eat an olive off the tree - they're extremely bitter. But we found a way to make them palatable. The first person to eat unsweetened chocolate - again bitter. But who hasn't eaten chocolate today? And back to mold or rather fungus, the first person to eat huitlacoche. That's a moldy ear of corn that's now considered a delicacy.
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I love that channel! Awesome topic your dealing with :)
I got some hot melted fundu blue cheese with salami !
Blue Stilton was being sold commercially early as 1730.
I am one minute into the video and you mention the bleu de Bonneval.. It is even not that known here, in Savoie !
A superb blue cheese is Stichelton - it's Stilton done properly from unpasteurised milk.
Ha ha! Shepherd leaving his food for days because of X or Y.
Right up there with Chinese foods that were forgotten about by a peasant and discovered by a wandering emperor.
I love blue cheese after I grew up.
I'm not realy in to cheese, so my awareness of most of the varieties mentioned came from the Monty Pyothon sketch.
My thought would be that someone had cheese stored in a cave or basement, and went in to eat some, in the low light.
I like that idea. It would make sense as blue cheese isn't the most appealling looking cheese
This is amazing content, thank you so much for creating these
They don't always make holes in the cheese - e.g. Castelmagno d’Alpeggio
My favorite cheese after parmesan. I eat it like peanut butter on my toast. I feel like I'm getting some culture as well as eating some culture...
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If I'm allergic to penicillin does that mean I can't eat blue chess?
Blue cheese is heavenly.
I have an affinity for Stilton.
sounds about right
Great video, love your content.
I agree that the “shepherd distracted by emergency” hypothesis basically seems like baloney. To state the most obvious point, all blue cheeses are created by the introduction of mold cultures while the cheese is being made, •not• by letting cheese that has already been made go “bad”. Speculation that the origin of blue cheeses lay in “happy accidents” in the •production• process (especially at the aging stage), appears far more probable.
Nevertheless, it seems only fair to observe that gratuitously introducing bandit-chasing, or pretty-girl-chasing, to the shepherd theory makes it sound more ridiculous than necessary. It would be simpler, and more natural, to speculate that shepherds grazing their flocks in summer pastures in the mountains, a fair distance from the shepherds’ homes, might rotate their sheep through several fields. The shepherd might cache a good portion of his (or her) summer provisions at a base camp that he and the flock would return to several times during the season, and carry with him only the food he would need for, say, a couple weeks away from the base, while visiting the “satellite” pastures.
In that case, upon return to the cached food at the summer base camp, he might plausibly have found some of the cheese starting to get moldy. And, if he were a, “Hey, hold my beer!”, kind of guy, maybe he threw caution to the wind, nibbled a bit of the moldy cheese, and found it was kinda good.
That still strikes me as unlikely, but at least that version of the story dispenses with an overtly facetious element.
If it were a bandit or bandits I wouldn't arrest them because otherwise the person leaving the cheese behind wouldn't have a reason to do so and therefor not discover the penicillium roqueforti.
Did you know that Shropshire blue, didn't actually originate in Shropshire.. A mysterious cheese.
I have heard that. I will have to look into it at some point to see if we can solve the mystery 😁
@@cheesehistory brilliant. It was ' invented ' in Scotland. It has been adopted now, by shropshire.
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My favorite cheese!
That mold. Evanescence’s antibiotic penicillin lab error
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Thank you for your information, we are benefiting from you. I have a question. I watched in one of the videos a lady put a little blue cheese on a piece of bread and put it in a box and let it rot. According to her, the bread mold turns into Penicillium Roquefort and cheese can be made from it. The question is, is this action safe and healthy? Thank you
Thank you. Personally, I prefer to use bought cheese cultures when making cheese including blue cheese rather that harvesting from another cheese. That way I can be sure that I am only getting the molds I want. It's possible to get blue mould by using bread as that is what they do at Roquefort, but I wouldn't as, in my opinion, it isn't worth the risk of some sort of contamination.
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So Blue cheese , which I Love , came from a lab? Or did it come from a qet market?
what's the best type of cave to look for cheese in a if u are foraging?
All is vain speculation as the truth is lost in the foggy past.
Many shepherds take flocks to high pastures in summer. They may take hearty long lasting bread and dryer types of cheese as well. At least as an initial cache of food. If the find a cave for shelter all the better for a place to sleep and keep their food out of the weather. Perhaps gather some meadow grasses and herbs as bedding and the molds spores in with them.
So it’s not entirely out of the realm of plausibility that a shepherd discovered blue cheese especially if they had to take a few days moving the flocks before coming back to the cave. That’s stretched the plausible a bit but still possible. Thinking he would have eaten his discovery long before summer ended and returning home to the lowland meadows.
Contamination sometime during the cheese making process is far more likely without stretching plausibility.
Now was Limburger cheese made by a monk that picked his toenails and didn’t wash up before beginning to milk his cows? 😂 and thus stink feet cheese was invented? Yuck 🤢
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Of course, I'm also making my mold cheeses by picking it up from moldy bread. Just come to it spontaneously. Stories are just for fun, like TV or Facebook, nothing serious ... Good work, thank you! I like to suggest more short stories, shorter is better :)
Is it a mold or fungus and if it is a fungus why do you call it a mold several times
It's a fungus, but it's called a mold in cheesemaking, I think because that's what people thought it was before we had the microscopes to discover it wasn't.
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I literally just searched bleu cheese history because I'm fucking weird. Thank you though.
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This wonen is made out of blue cheese 😊
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If the shepherd ws hungry, why didn't he just.... eat one of his sheep?
A couple of reasons spring to mind. They may not have been his sheep, but owned by his employer, so he wouldn't be allowed too and the consequences of a missing sheep high. (Having said that, he was willing to abandon the whole flock earlier in the story, so maybe he wasn't too worried about that.)
If they were his sheep, then each would be worth a lot, so he may have been unwilling to loose that value just because he was hungry.
Going from a live sheep to cooked mutton also takes time, so he may have been hungry enough that eating mouldy bread was a better option.
If he left it for a girl, totally understandable.
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*well… if men aren’t such trash, why does blue cheese exist?! 😅😊😂❤