This is a geveloping story but I find truly staggering how one person can put entire studio under scrutiny. Hansen single handedly pushed Avowed under the bus by being over-confident brat. Congrats man, I hope the lawsuits will be coming out soon.
in my opinion when it comes to the woke stuff, they should instead give the player the choice to opt out of the woke content in the game, just separate this content in an alternate download of the game, like a optional bethesda high resolution texture pack. that way the game company doesn't piss off the ppl who hate this stuff in the game and it also doesn't piss off the ppl who want it in the game, the base game content will be non woke and the optional download will be for the woke stuff. they should also have some kind of statistics checker to see how many ppl downloaded the woke content in comparison to the ppl who only downloaded the non woke content of the game, to better understand where the vast majority of the audience stands on the whole woke issue. now it makes sense to put the woke stuff in the optional download for better sales of the game because it will likely mean the game is a success, but it should never be released together, like put the optional download as separate content 5 to 6 months down the road. i think all games could benefit from something like this.
@@5226-p1e The problem with this is what do you define as "woke," is let's say, same sex relationship between two NPC's woke? For me, no, for someone else yeah. That's why I don't think this could work, in some cases it would literally break the game. Not to mention the discrimination lawsuits that would follow. But then again, you can opt out from the woke stuff when you write your game well, again BG3 is perfect example. You can be the Chad, roaming Faerun with your hot girlfriend Shadowheart OR you can be nonbinary gnome who is boning the hunky bear, no judgement, it's up to you and that's how you write a game for everyone.
@@zuzisam it's all explained in pretty much everything the left wing party advocates for, since they coopted the word, they started using it in the context of what woke meant, so we have to use their standards since this is how they describe the word. and in their eyes same sex relationships is considered as woke, because it was them who broadened the meaning. why would there be discrimination lawsuits? when they placed both content to the game, one is just separated in another optional download file, so they both still exist in game, no need for any lawsuit. the game can still be for everyone, but they have to cater to the majority audience first and foremost, in which this case as well as all failed games based on the woke ideology, "i understand Baldur's gate is considered an exception, but not the rule" and what would it break in a quest to do this? in my opinion, all they would need to do is create alternate character's for the missing ones that the optional DLC content provides, so the game has both options, and caters to both parties, but they have to cater to non-woke party first because these ppl simply will not bow down to the woke content in the game, they are willing to bankrupt a game if the game doesn't meet their standards, and they happen to be the majority of gamers who control whether a game makes it or flops. the point of all of this is to provide the option for both parties, but doing it in a way that will be accepted by not only the majority gamers but also cater to the minority of gamers and the studio doesn't need to go bankrupt and have to sell. my whole point is to not cause the whole gaming studio to go bankrupt but while also providing what ppl actually want in the game. again i know balders gate offered both options in the game, but from my understanding the game was also written well and it was fun, not a lot of games these days can seem to meet that standard sadly, and the main concern for the majority of gamers is the woke stuff, then they talk about the other issues of the game, like performance or gameplay loops or story, i mean everything matters in the overall rating, but the most hot button topic ppl will not fold on is the woke stuff. they kind of did something like what i'm talking about with that most recent Spiderman game, in America they sold the woke version, but in Saudi Arabia they sold the non woke version of the game. i mean if that studio did that, some folks questioned if they were really for the cause of the woke messaging or if it was just so they could make money by not making a woke version of the game. i suppose they could also sell the game separately for other game studios, make a woke version or a non woke version, but i don't trust that they would do this kind of thing, it's far easier to sell the same game but have the optional download.
@@5226-p1e They don’t have to cater to the majority audience, first. Some games are made specifically for niche audiences. Look at shmups that sell only around 10k copies, for example. Most people do not care about woke stuff in games. The people who are critical of it are somewhat a minority. The majority actually either doesn’t care, or doesn’t follow gaming news.
If I had a game coming out, I would literally gave everyone who worked on said game a class on how to behave online, because clearly some people willing to sink the ship to achieve absolutely nothing.
@@zuzisam are you talking about the gamers or the game dev's who create these games who don't know how to talk online? i mean if you are just talking about the gamers, you won't be able to change behavior no matter how hard you try, even if you got government involved to help. but on the game dev side, that can be managed because it's a profession not an ice cream social where they can blurt out anything they please and not be effected by it, from my knowledge they all sign a non discloser agreement, so that could be something that exists within the agreement added into it, have it explain that they could run into legal consequences if they blurt out anything within that agreement online and it can effect their future prospects in the gaming industry. so these devs would have a more tight lip because there are real consequences to their actions they don't want happening to them now or in the future.
@@5226-p1e I'm talking about devs of course. What you described is not unheard off. In my company I had to sign NDA about what I post online, I'm a face of my company, like it or not, I and my coworkes have responsibility for its image outside of our working hours. Devs shouldn't have it different, *especially* those who work in lead positions i.e. Hansen.
I'm glad more and more people are still talking about this. The mods over on reddit are banning anybody that tries to speak about Avowed in a negative light. It's absolutely pathetic.
There's two big issues in modern gaming. One is taking the culture war there and that's just not really worth engaging, and I don't say hide from it but make game development decisions that make sense for the story and the world. Fan-service, culture war-service.. any other kind of distraction is just away from the setting, theme and story. Second big issue is just bad writing, a lot of the stories these days aren't good stories but moralizing or just marvelized no-stakes bullshittery. If the writer can't care and the characters can't care then i can't care what happens, so i won't play the game.
I agree, as long as the game is good, runs well, tells engaging story and treats its characters and the player with respect, no one cares if the dev no. 52 is blue hair non-binary or christian mom with 5 kids. That is until one of them starts running their mouth online
I don't judge the game, I think it will be decent. I will eventually play it. Doesn't change the fact that if you work for a big company, you either keep THAT information for yourself OR you keep your mouth shut about your opinions, because you represent even off the clock. That's how life works.
And why would I ever want to give anybody that acts like that money? Bitch literally said he hopes I never know peace lmao. Bitch openly said he is a racist that refused to hire people based off their skin color. Fuck him and the game that's putting bread on his table.
Because the things Hansen wrote on twitter are worthy of investigation by his company. At the very least, he should be fired. And if an investigation reveals he has indeed chosen to hire based on discriminatory methods, that is illegal in the United States. This can open him and his company up to civil or even criminal litigation.
This is a geveloping story but I find truly staggering how one person can put entire studio under scrutiny. Hansen single handedly pushed Avowed under the bus by being over-confident brat. Congrats man, I hope the lawsuits will be coming out soon.
in my opinion when it comes to the woke stuff, they should instead give the player the choice to opt out of the woke content in the game, just separate this content in an alternate download of the game, like a optional bethesda high resolution texture pack.
that way the game company doesn't piss off the ppl who hate this stuff in the game and it also doesn't piss off the ppl who want it in the game, the base game content will be non woke and the optional download will be for the woke stuff.
they should also have some kind of statistics checker to see how many ppl downloaded the woke content in comparison to the ppl who only downloaded the non woke content of the game, to better understand where the vast majority of the audience stands on the whole woke issue.
now it makes sense to put the woke stuff in the optional download for better sales of the game because it will likely mean the game is a success, but it should never be released together, like put the optional download as separate content 5 to 6 months down the road.
i think all games could benefit from something like this.
@@5226-p1e The problem with this is what do you define as "woke," is let's say, same sex relationship between two NPC's woke? For me, no, for someone else yeah. That's why I don't think this could work, in some cases it would literally break the game. Not to mention the discrimination lawsuits that would follow.
But then again, you can opt out from the woke stuff when you write your game well, again BG3 is perfect example. You can be the Chad, roaming Faerun with your hot girlfriend Shadowheart OR you can be nonbinary gnome who is boning the hunky bear, no judgement, it's up to you and that's how you write a game for everyone.
@@zuzisam
it's all explained in pretty much everything the left wing party advocates for, since they coopted the word, they started using it in the context of what woke meant, so we have to use their standards since this is how they describe the word.
and in their eyes same sex relationships is considered as woke, because it was them who broadened the meaning.
why would there be discrimination lawsuits? when they placed both content to the game, one is just separated in another optional download file, so they both still exist in game, no need for any lawsuit.
the game can still be for everyone, but they have to cater to the majority audience first and foremost, in which this case as well as all failed games based on the woke ideology, "i understand Baldur's gate is considered an exception, but not the rule"
and what would it break in a quest to do this? in my opinion, all they would need to do is create alternate character's for the missing ones that the optional DLC content provides, so the game has both options, and caters to both parties, but they have to cater to non-woke party first because these ppl simply will not bow down to the woke content in the game, they are willing to bankrupt a game if the game doesn't meet their standards, and they happen to be the majority of gamers who control whether a game makes it or flops.
the point of all of this is to provide the option for both parties, but doing it in a way that will be accepted by not only the majority gamers but also cater to the minority of gamers and the studio doesn't need to go bankrupt and have to sell.
my whole point is to not cause the whole gaming studio to go bankrupt but while also providing what ppl actually want in the game.
again i know balders gate offered both options in the game, but from my understanding the game was also written well and it was fun, not a lot of games these days can seem to meet that standard sadly, and the main concern for the majority of gamers is the woke stuff, then they talk about the other issues of the game, like performance or gameplay loops or story, i mean everything matters in the overall rating, but the most hot button topic ppl will not fold on is the woke stuff.
they kind of did something like what i'm talking about with that most recent Spiderman game, in America they sold the woke version, but in Saudi Arabia they sold the non woke version of the game.
i mean if that studio did that, some folks questioned if they were really for the cause of the woke messaging or if it was just so they could make money by not making a woke version of the game.
i suppose they could also sell the game separately for other game studios, make a woke version or a non woke version, but i don't trust that they would do this kind of thing, it's far easier to sell the same game but have the optional download.
@@5226-p1e They don’t have to cater to the majority audience, first. Some games are made specifically for niche audiences. Look at shmups that sell only around 10k copies, for example. Most people do not care about woke stuff in games. The people who are critical of it are somewhat a minority. The majority actually either doesn’t care, or doesn’t follow gaming news.
I am sure Microsoft is delighted to hear they had this happen.
This easily pushes away 50% of potential audience.
If I had a game coming out, I would literally gave everyone who worked on said game a class on how to behave online, because clearly some people willing to sink the ship to achieve absolutely nothing.
@@zuzisam
are you talking about the gamers or the game dev's who create these games who don't know how to talk online?
i mean if you are just talking about the gamers, you won't be able to change behavior no matter how hard you try, even if you got government involved to help.
but on the game dev side, that can be managed because it's a profession not an ice cream social where they can blurt out anything they please and not be effected by it, from my knowledge they all sign a non discloser agreement, so that could be something that exists within the agreement added into it, have it explain that they could run into legal consequences if they blurt out anything within that agreement online and it can effect their future prospects in the gaming industry.
so these devs would have a more tight lip because there are real consequences to their actions they don't want happening to them now or in the future.
@@5226-p1e I'm talking about devs of course. What you described is not unheard off. In my company I had to sign NDA about what I post online, I'm a face of my company, like it or not, I and my coworkes have responsibility for its image outside of our working hours. Devs shouldn't have it different, *especially* those who work in lead positions i.e. Hansen.
I'm glad more and more people are still talking about this. The mods over on reddit are banning anybody that tries to speak about Avowed in a negative light. It's absolutely pathetic.
And that's another thing: censorship and toxic positivity, let's see how it will work for them in the long run.
@ It’s making me vote with my wallet a lot, lately. Haven’t bought a new game since Armored Core VI!
There's two big issues in modern gaming. One is taking the culture war there and that's just not really worth engaging, and I don't say hide from it but make game development decisions that make sense for the story and the world. Fan-service, culture war-service.. any other kind of distraction is just away from the setting, theme and story. Second big issue is just bad writing, a lot of the stories these days aren't good stories but moralizing or just marvelized no-stakes bullshittery. If the writer can't care and the characters can't care then i can't care what happens, so i won't play the game.
I agree, as long as the game is good, runs well, tells engaging story and treats its characters and the player with respect, no one cares if the dev no. 52 is blue hair non-binary or christian mom with 5 kids. That is until one of them starts running their mouth online
How about you just judge the game on its own merits instead of what someone said on Twitter?
Detransitioner rights.
I don't judge the game, I think it will be decent. I will eventually play it. Doesn't change the fact that if you work for a big company, you either keep THAT information for yourself OR you keep your mouth shut about your opinions, because you represent even off the clock. That's how life works.
And why would I ever want to give anybody that acts like that money? Bitch literally said he hopes I never know peace lmao. Bitch openly said he is a racist that refused to hire people based off their skin color. Fuck him and the game that's putting bread on his table.
Because the things Hansen wrote on twitter are worthy of investigation by his company. At the very least, he should be fired. And if an investigation reveals he has indeed chosen to hire based on discriminatory methods, that is illegal in the United States. This can open him and his company up to civil or even criminal litigation.