[TOH Season 2] Lilith Clawthorne Being A Nerd
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2022
- Please infodump me, Lilith
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She went from a bad sister to a nerdy cool aunt with mommy issue
same
The mommy issues sucked since it was a weak excuse to write her out of the group. It's like ah man they made her so adokrable just to rip her away.
@@aurahoneydew9607 I mean the reason she's out is because she wanted to make up with her father, not because of mommy issue itself
@@nyes4596 still felt kinda cheap like they could've held on til midway through the season since she just joined the main group before she got the boot.
@@aurahoneydew9607 agreed.
Lilith calling Luz, "Teacher" will never not be funny
Honestly it’s funny. Or been in front of my old highschool teachers and regressed in a heartbeat. Standing up straight, holding my hands in front of me, saying sir and miss. It’s funny how old habits come out like that in a similar situation
Teacher's pet
Also kinda sad when you realise that she was probably the happiest in school where it’s the last place she actually got recognition for her work
Yeah but the way Lilith says miss teacher😂
Maybe Lilith should be a teacher
The scrying potion never really got used outside its episode. Could have been some good potential in the story.
Yeah
I'm convinced its how belos knew of eda's plan. He just had a magic CIA spying on the main characters with scrying potions
IF WE HAD 20 MORE EPISODES MAYBE
Not to mention, Belos knew that they were spying on him when they used the potion. The only way they would have been able to use that to their advantage would be if they decided to blow a trumpet at him while he was asleep (this was explored in an Owl House comic that I once read).
I wonder if it had a bigger role in the plot before S3 got chopped up
Season 1 Lilith: stern, cold, busybody antagonist
Season 2 Lilith: quirky, dorky, compassionate, enthusiastic, supportive, cool aunt
.......now that's good character development
Season 2 Lilith: ugly, annoying, more selfish, stupid, uncool, destructive, irredeemable, better off dead.
yep
@@chineduokafo4856
WTF
@@camiloore5728 You heard me. What I said were facts.
@@chineduokafo4856
This facts are not true and she's didn't deserve to die
So the reason the glyphs don’t work in the human realm is because there is no outward magic in the ecosystem to command, like trying to write something but without ink
With that analogy, since Witches can use magic in the human realm, meaning that Luz gets her power source from the boiling isle, and the boiling isle is made out of a body of a titan, and the most powerful power source are titan blood, since Witches can use magic in the human realm do you think their magic vile sac in their heart is kinda similar to Titans blood.
There's magic on the earth ecosystem, but it's just so little or minute the glyphs try to comand it but just burn up.
I just call it atmospheric magic, places with high concentration of magic are higher pressures od magic in the atmosphere. The human realm doesn't have a titan rotting releasing magic over time ambiently so no magical pressure or atmosphere, a fire with no oxygen can't burn so neither do spells.
y'all make sense, Vee had to eat magic cards found in the human realm in order to hold her human form, sp magic is extremely rare in the atmosphere, but maybe in some places of Earth, there are places where there's some remains of magic, like in Gravity Falls where a lot of stuff happened, since we know a lot of shows are tied to The Owl House like Amphibia and Gravity Falls, so maybe, MAYBE, magic remains but in limited quantities that are tied to those small places accross the world
To my understanding, all a Bile Sac does is channel latent magic in the air. So since Witches can still use magic on Earth, I'd wager that there's just enough latent magic in the air for Witches to be able to use magic, but not enough for the glyphs so they burn themselves out before they can actually do anything. And remember, it was the Titan himself who granted the glyphs to the Wild Witches in the past and now to Luz in the present day, another reason I'd wager they only work in the boiling isles.
I find it beautiful how the show gave her more development than simply “Eda’s brainwashed sister”
It gives that earlier season one episode, where they fought together against that cat demon, more oomph when you realize how in sync they were the whole time.
genuinely forgot about that scene, i haven't rewatched season 1 in a while
@@coyotix you need to rewatch it because there are a lot of gems like that I also forgot about
What development are you all even talking about?
@@chineduokafo4856 Season 1 had her hunt down Eda to join the emperor’s coven under the lie that he could help cure the curse, and we never had motivation as to why she was so desperate to do so until the very end of season one where we get shown her jealousy lead to cursing Eda, and the guilt is why she wants to fix everything.
Season 2 shows more of what Lilith is as a character besides being the tyrant’s lapdog. She has actual personality traits, hobbies and relationships to explore. She’s got trauma with her relationships to Eda and her mother but she is working on them, and most importantly of all she recognizes what her actions in season one were, and how they were wrong.
That development, mi amigo.
@@Sonic546416 No it is not. She only rebelled and started doing the right thing for more pragmatic reasons, because she found out the emperor wouldn't heal Eda's curse. But my main problem is Lilith not getting any real punishment for her lies and betrayal, and easily switching sides and being accepted by everyone. You constantly support what she did and empathize with her because mommy neglected her, but you refuse to see the gravity of her foolishness and selfishness. You keep finding excuses and refuse to see the wrought of what she has done and think she deserves forgiveness like what she did, didn't matter. She needs to be punished, which includes death.
The episode when they’re looking for the time portals, my favorite part is when Lilith looks at her reflection in her glasses and says “Am I broken?”
I’m pretty sure It’s the most relatable line for me in the show
Tbh, I think Lilith and Hunter are my comfort characters
@@raspberrylily7091 She is the ugliest and most disrespectful character in the show. She is annoying and horrid, especially for what she did.
@@chineduokafo4856 she was 14 and she didn’t even know about the curse
She did almost killed Luz but she just wanted to help Eda who’s her blood related family
Also her design is dope af
@@mp_paperbag8483 While I think Chinedu Okafo's comment is very harsh, I do agree that Lilith was a horrible person. Yes, she was emotionally neglected by her parents. I have first hand experience of this too. But even if all your emotions are valid, it doesn't mean your actions are all valid as well. Cursing her sister and never owning up to it for 3 decades was horrid. She didn't know the extent of the damage the curse would do to eda, but why would you even disable your own sister? Train better. Train harder. Saying she didn't know what the curse would have done is moot. I can't imagine inflicting unknown damage to someone you love. And then after learning that the damage was debilitating, torturous, and permanently incurable, she NEVER owned up to it. She didn't even own up to it, it was dragged out of her after her ego was bruised during a duel.
One can argue that Eda likes being alone. But now we know from Knocking on Hooty's Door that being alone wasn't exactly a choice. Her curse destroyed a lot of her relationships, both romantic and familial, and pushed Eda into isolation. I know they're trying to push for Lilith's redemption arc, and granted she did split the curse, but in my opinion it doesn't make up for 30 years in pain, ruined relationships, and losing bodily control. That's 30 years Eda will never get back.
(edit to correct Raspberry lily to Chinedu Okafo)
@ 8:44
i never really realized this until now but... eda was was the smartest person in the room but always wanted to be a jock. lilith was a jock who wanted to be the smartest person in the room. like when they showed the gruddeby photo lili was the captain. while eda could on list off and respond to variables to potion making with ease. its fascinating to see the how even though they had obvious strengths they could stereotype into, both took drastically different paths that they found meaning in. since lili had to study extra to keep up with eda she learned to enjoy the "nerdier" side of magic and its studies. while eda finding magic too easy too understand wanted to do my outdoorsy and athletic things since it challenged her more, even when it wasnt wise or very good at it
Well guess she became the headmaster at the end of the series
That does explain their comments in Agony of a Witch: Eda claimed that she had to work harder, while Lilith claims that she became smart and crafty.
It's also interesting that Eda learned through comprehension of how things worked and at least partially a good connection to her witch's gland, allowing her to cast on a whim, while Lilith seemed to be all about memorization and fully conscious decision making, which gives their glyph studies even more depth - Eda couldn't do glyph magic easily because it wasn't something that came naturally to her and because it required memorization of patterns and a steady writing hand of a habitual note taker. That's why Lilith, being Lilith, mastered the "glyph coding" almost instantly.
I never noticed at 7:06 the way Lilith points out Philip's oddities is not in a malicious sense. She finds it familiar. She speaks like she's talking about someone she knows. Because she does, she knows him already. The way he is with witches and how it was turned on her. Lilith could have made the connection first given more time with Phillip.
And it ended up with PUNCHING A SLIMEY OLD MAN
She recognises the methods of manipulation as exactly the same as Belos used on her
I love the detail that Lilith's hair gains some of its original shape as the show progresses, but it's still mostly straightened out. Like she's going back to that bond her and her sister had, but as her arc suggests, she's redeemed, not reverted, which I always love seeing in well developed characters
I dont know why but hearing lilith call luz "Miss teacher" brings joy to my heart❤️
I'm not surprised Lilith did what she did after finding out King is a titan. She is exactly the kind of person to fall into a cult.
Considering she already did, the Emperor’s coven is basically one.
I mean her mother fell into a health care scam. Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree and all
"the glyph combo, (copyright me, Lilith)"
I love that Lillith has copyright on the word "Glyph combo"
“These are the oldest barnacles I’ve had on my head!”
I would love to party with Lilith
Besides your brain, Lilith.
I knew there was a reason why I saw simping for Lilith. I was attracted to smart girls.
If she was smart, she wouldn't have cursed her sister and kept it a secret and let her suffer for 30 years.
@@chineduokafo4856 Yeah, that wasn't too smart.
@@starscreamsniper926 Agreed. Which is why she needs to be called on for this and be punished.
@@chineduokafo4856 Bro, she was a kid. She thought the curse would only last a day, and she didn't know Eda was going to give up the duel for her. Yeah, it was really messed up for Lilith to curse Eda, but kids are not known for making good decisions. Cursing Eda is her biggest regret, and she's been trying her best to make up for it. I think her now sharing the curse with Eda is more than enough to prove she's genuinely trying to redeem herself.
@@chineduokafo4856 i mean some smart people arent wise and prob envy :-;
It’s kind of sad but sweet because she’s like a kid that never really got to be kid. It’s nice seeing her actually have hobbies and stuff to nerd out about outside that crappy emperor’s coven and spending her time just trying to better to get her mother’s attention.
It’s why I adore the trope of “antagonist being silly/dorky post redemption”. They get to just be themselves and actually find stuff they wanna do rather than be stuck in whatever doctrine or tyrant or job they were in before. :D
She screams "low-maintenence kid": parents being focused on another sibling (Eda) and simply assuming she would be fine and would take care of herself given how responsible she has always been and what-not.
Kinda adorable seeing her rediscover hobbies and child-like wonder. 🥺
I kinda like the changes to Lillith; she was forced to grow up and become this strict, uptight witch who's been brainwashed by a centuries' - old man-child, strung so tight, she would've snapped under the increasing pressure. Basically ignored by her family, she kinda takes it out on Eda, only for it to backfire and increase the neglect to where she's practically insane in a few episodes! Later on, though, her true self is regaining ground, and we see it in her personality and hairstyle! ^^
Agreed, he's a man-child. A murderous man-child, but a man-child nontheless. He's stuck up in a fantasy (to the point of being delusional), and his murders are essentially him throwing tantrums like "waaa waaa. Mama mama. They don't act like I want them to. Waaa waaa".
I agree and love Lilth, however... I feel like she got off too easy. The whole Lilith cursing Eda thing I feel could have been better executed because in that moment it's like she feels bad, but during most of season one there are no signs of her feeling bad. She even taunts Eda about a curse SHE gave her. Like imagine if someone gave you HIV and then taunted you for HAVING HIV. Idk. Maybe I would feel different had Liith not spent all of season one rubbing the curse in Edas face.
Lilith and Luz in season 1: almost kills a child
Lilith and Luz in season 2: student and mentor
Also Lilith in season 1: doesn’t take nonsense
Lilith in season 2: is a huge nerd for ancient things of the past
I noticed something with liliths hair when she was little and good her hair was all curly when she became evil completely straight and now that she's good again slowly starting to become curly
she dyed and straightened it. she has now stopped straightening it because she no longer wants to be that person. She's embracing her true self
@@user-pj7yw1sb6d I'm not talking about the dye and what I was saying completely flew over your head especially since I know she straighten it
@@kimcrowl249 rude
@@kimcrowl249 That was kinda rude, also you seem to not get it in your thicc skull, that Lilith had to keep her image while she was the head of the Emperor's coven, now that she isn't part of it she doesn't have to worry about how her hair looks.
@@kimcrowl249 I think this whoosh goes to you.
Pretty sure everyone knows what you meant all they were doing was expanding on what you said. Like damn man
I love Lilith because her nerdy little obsessions with history reminds me of myself when I see/read/talk about cool plants
I like the scene when Lilith said let's bogie down to history town. And Luz said she really is cool aunt Lilith. It was funny
Lilith and Eda’s attitude while learning glyphs is probably not too far from how they acted in actual school.
The episode where we learn how Raine and Eda met leans into that idea.
I see a lot of people complain of how "lillith coudlve been a much better villian, she turned out so lame"
But the point is she was NEVER a villain in the first place. She truly believed she was doing good, was trying to save her sister and make up for the mistakes she made as a child. She cursed her sister yes...but she never knew how bad it would be. After she worked every day under the emperor in hopes she could convince eda to join so she could get better. Even at her worst like holding luz hostage and things like that were panicked desperation. And you know she regrets it and tries to make up for it. The lillith we got after she left belos is the REAL lillith. A dorky nerd who wanted nothing more than to connect with her family and make accomplishments in their name.
She would have been a good Villain BUT she isn't lame now 😡 She's is adorable and I love her
@@gutzblah she's a dork we love and enjoy to see nerd out
Lilith never was a hero either. She was nothing more than a selfish, arrogant, annoying, good-for-nothing witch and sister who is only good when dead.
@@chineduokafo4856 woah- someone woke up and chose violence
@@gutzblah I merely stated my own honest opinion. One that is based on facts that prove it to be true to some extent.
I love her! Glad she got redeemed she deserved it
Oh please. That was no redemption and she deserves nothing beyond death and eternal suffering.
Thomas Austrac really needs to take notes
It was interesting to see how much of Lilith in season one was a persona she was living up to. She worked towards her position, then decided she needed to act in a way befitting of it. Seeing her actually be happy about her interests was refreshing
01:57 “the combo copyright me, Lilith.” Crediting her work lmao
Can we all just take a moment to admire her bird for a second?
4:12
That bird is sus😂
“HehEhh, watching the ink dry is the best part...” agreed, isn’t watching it dry soooo fun??
What is fun is watching Lilith die.
@@chineduokafo4856 whaaat
LMAO her face that scene 🤣
@@chineduokafo4856 Bro, you're here too? Do you just spend your days watching Lilith compilations so you can fantasize about murdering her?
Get a therapist, christ.
Watching Lilith die is the best part.
Lilith is a beautiful auntie 💜💚💜💚💜💚💜💚
Lilith is an ugly creature who deserves death.
Eda is the wine mom, Lilith is the cool nerdy aunt and King is the mischievous little brother with a heart of gold
Lulu the ultimate 💚aro ace 💜✨icon✨
She is like Alastor from Hazbin hotel
@@polishalastor142 Don't remind me of all the people who ignore Alastor being ace for the sake of shipping 😩
Lilith the ultimate denizen of the Isles.
@@nekuro5548 that why i don't like Vivziepop when it comes to LGBT and her writting, i mean i respect LGBT, the only problem is that Vivziepop said that "you can ship anything you want" but does she realized that character writting and Alastor being Ace also important
Lilith screams "gay aunt"
She ends up being canon aroace
Totally
Extreme bottom energy
@@SftHrtBrsKnckls She is like Alastor from Hazbin hotel
aroace aunt!!
Lilith is clearly a nerd that has something to prove to everyone.
Eda kissing hootys head was so wholesome
the transformation of lilith turning into a nerd and a historian has *B E G U N*
God I love her and her voice.
I would definitely commit interdimensional war crimes just to hear it.
7:34 I never realized this, but the music in the bg is eda's requiem / raine's motif!
1:17 the genuine shock i love it
I love that. "Is my equipment broken? Am... I broken...?"
Season 1: How is Lilith Eda's sister?
Season 2: Yep, she is Eda's sister alright.
I love that Eda is just Mom of Luz and King and Lilith is so openly happy about being an Aunt xD
12:17 this broke my heart
2:22
Lilith: Do I get extra credit?
Me: You know there's a fine line for asking for extra credit and being a teacher's pet.
I always did have a soft spot for Lilith because of her design and dynamic with Eda, but season 2 upgraded her to one of my favorite characters.
her and dipper would get along very well
Adult witch and 13 years old Earth boy
@@polishalastor142
And Lilith and Hailey too
11:38 Is no one concerned that Lilith was going to sacrifice people to satisfy King?
Humans have sacrificed people to their gods all the time. Not at all.
finally someone noticed besides me
She's really easy to fall into cults.
It's crazy how much development this show has for all of its characters.
The "DARK DEEDS CARRIED OUT IN YOUR NAME" gets me every time.
*"Lets boogie down into history town😏."* Just. 👌 And just how she says IT and does the little dance after IT is just Perfect
6:14
"Luz? Are you Luzening?"
I adore Lillith’s new look, it’s very 60s
The face she makes when talking about DeadWardian Balusters is too adorable.
She reminds me a lot of my aunt. She would actively dance in public to try to embarrass me when I was a kid but I loved her being kooky and weird.
And I found out recently that she worked at a $ex shop. LUCKILY I DIDNT FIND THAT OUT BY SEEING HER THERE!
Wow
That can give a very strange explanation for dances))
Eda tapping her glyph and then pointing with both hands as it turns into just a lump is the cutest thing and it lives rent free in my dome.
Alternate title: Lilith clawthorne being the awesome witch she is for a reasonable amount of time
Alternate title:
Lilith being Lilith for 12 minutes straight.
I honestly really like Lilith’s season 2 personality, we’ve seen she can be just as dorky as everyone else so her being an adorkable nerd underneath the cold woman is really nice.
1:55 or 4:30 shows that even if Eda was more talented Lilith also was brilliant and intelligent
Lilith is the best owl house character.
Change my mind
Same
She is the worst character in the show. She is better off dead.
lilith is the superior character
Seasons 2 and 3 have made me love this woman with all my heart-
2:37 MY FAVORITE LILY SCENE
I think Lilith might be my favorite character after hooty
king's sneeze is so cute
You know, I never sat down to comment on it before, but looking at it now I appreciate her changing of outfits. Going from strict formal attire, to a rough patch looking like a crackhead and then eventually cleaning herself up.
2:22 Lillith's Crystal statue is Beautiful
2:29 Eda's is a cute crystal snowball
It's ok with me I like Crystals
She's one of my favorite characters :') lysm Lilith
I like that the nerdy side of her wasn’t treated as a weird, new personality. This was always her real self and the show respects that.
I still can’t get over how silly Lilith’s palisman looks off of its staff
Oh right
I've always found it adorable especially when shes with luz lol
I always found it revolting to see her still alive.
lilith is going to be so good at excel lol
Quitting the Emperor's Coven allowed Lilith to be herself once more
I love her redemption so much
Eda = Stanley
Lilith = Stanford
And Eda and Stan were married!
Lilith is quite the artist ain’t she? From the table swans(I think?) in the flashback in Knock Knock Knocking on Hooty‘s Door. Which is why she is ‘better’ than Eda w/ the sculptures.
BASICS ARE SOOO BASIC
-Edalyn clawthorne
Lol the fact that Lilith calls Luz Ms teacher kills me. It’s adorable
Since she wears glasses later on, does that mean that for most of the show she was like 80% blind? Cuz without my glasses I can't see sh¡t, can't imagine how someone would fight another person with that kinda vision
She probably used magic or had contacts
@@Mad_scientist_huburis who knows Maybe contacts exist on Boiling Isles
Maybe reading glasses?
She was using contact lenses.
Luz’s reaction to Lilith statue kills me 2:25
I'm thinking at the end of the series we'll see some kind of epilogue or something. Maybe Lilith will become a teacher at Hexside.
That will be good
Lilith is so precious 😚
tHeSe aRe THe OlDeST bArNacLeS I’vE EveR hAd oN mY hEaD
"Our rivals shall be crushed beneath our feet" is some very specific foreshadowing.
Lilith is so adorable.
Anyone else thinks Lilith looks attractive with glasses?
"cool aunt Lilith" awhhhhh💕💕💕
"Ms Teacher" ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Anyone that hasn't watched ink dry is missing out.
And this is how you make a hatable character into a amazing Character ( an example Peridot from Steven universe)
Lilith is adorable and I would die for her, but the little kiss Hooty gets from Eda at the end was maybe the cutest thing in the whole video. :3
BRO!! 4:03 to 4:05 HER EARS WENT DOWN! THE EAR THING IS A THING!! EMOTION!! HOLY TITAN!!
ear thing?
Yes
me and all of my friends can agree that lilith is the best character.
Lilith knows a lot about glyphs, especially from just learning about them from Luz so early!
"OoiOohhHh. Watching the ink dry is the BEST part!"
I don’t know why, but that little shrug her raven palisman did really cracked me up…
I already have a crush for her, and don't even watch the, but anyway Lilith checks all the boxes for me
2:47
I can feel some Hidan vibes with that voice, eyes and that triangle glyph
Is King a nice god or an angry god? Angry god! Beware, mortals! For King the God shall rule the-
Wait a minute, that's Daffy Duck the Wizard.
She’s just like me fr
Lilith being excited about learning/discovering new knowledge is so CUTE I CANT-
It does make me sad that Lilith still has many people who don't like her, and I fully understand not wanting to forgive what she did (as a kid and as an adult).
I really think if Dana and the writers and animators had been given the time this show deserved, they could've done so much with everyone, including showing Lilith earning eda's forgiveness
"including showing Lilith earning eda's forgiveness"
I thought she did.
"they could've done so much with everyone"
Like what?
@@dylansharp8471
They never actually showed a conversation between eda and Lilith about everything that had happened or a talk over Lilith's choice to share the curse (which we also never see Lilith affected by after that one episode with their mom).
more of Lilith and eda bonding would've been good, more of luz's friends gus and willow since they were very under utilized, and maybe some simple, fun and lighthearted episodes instead of everything having to be so plot heavy every time (but Disney wanted to cut the show short so the options were limited for dana)
Between Amity and Lilith, this show is truly the GOAT when it comes to making hateable characters lovable.
Edric, Emira, Darius, Hunter as well.