I like how Maximilian starts taking charge of things right away to show those lords how it's going to be! And Mary's smile at the end of her convo with Margaret is so precious! Thanks for posting :D
As a 28 generation descendant of Jan van Coppenolle it was not such glorious and fair policy Maximilian had. He destroyed the Bourgondië . Jan van Coppenolle and his twin brother Frans were beheaded on June 16 1492 in Gent because of treasonous people in favour of Maximilian. Not only Gent, but also Brugge, Ieperen their sanctions and taxes were very high because they dare to resist to a foreign h leader and a foreign country. Much of Bourgondië were destroyed. “De strijd om het regentschap over Filips de Schone, Opstand, facties en geweld in Brugge, Gent en Ieper (1482-1488)” of Prof. Dr. Jelle Haemers show this from a Bourgondië perspective and not so much from the warmonger Maximilian was.
This was so satisfying after what Jan did to Mary's faithful advisors. And knowing the history too that Jan plays a role in Phillip being taken from Maximilian after Mary's death.
Historical note: Most of the things happening with Jan Coppenhole are fiction in the series. It is true that he stood up against Maximilian, but it happened later, in 1484, when Mary was no longer alive (d. 1482). He opposed Maximilian taking over the regency for his underage son, Philip (the Fair), who was Mary's heir. He was working for the relative independence of his city Ghent all his life, and that's what he thought was in danger if Maximilian took over with the regency. In 1485 he had to flee to France, but he returned in 1487, and he used the angry mood of the citizens of Ghent to lead a revolt against the regent again. He was captured and beheaded along with his brother Francois in 1492.
@@ThomasL58 Wow thats a website?! Lol....... Hrm my birthday was last week im gonna go check the date and see..You know, As a Conversation Piece ! "Hey Guys, GUESS WHO was executed in the 12th Century on my Birthday!" Thank you for uploading, as well !
Thanks for sharing, I was already on my way to wikipedia :) Its funny, we love and support these dukes but in fact the other guys are fighting for democracy
I honestly think, one of the key criteria to being a great King during those time, is to have a high immunity to disease.... so that you can live longer and have a great reign
Bella gerant alii, tu felix Austria nube - ‘Let others wage war: thou, happy Austria, marry’. This famous saying is invariably quoted when the rise of the Habsburgs is put down to the success of their dynastic marriage policy, in which young archdukes and archduchesses were frequently married off as children to members of other dynasties, or indeed to relatives of their own. Emperor Maximilian I is credited with the greatest success in the implementation of this policy - through his own marriage and those of his son Philip the Fair and his grandson Ferdinand, the dynasty gained Burgundy, Spain, Bohemia, and Hungary. However, the famous saying ignores the many strokes of luck that contributed to the rise of the Habsburgs - and also the fact that their gains were by no means always achieved without loss of blood. Wars were an equally important element of Habsburg policy as marriages. Luckily for my ancestors both the von Habsburgs and the Burgundians lost territories to the Swiss Confederacy and also were defeated on the battlefield over and over by the Swiss.
I love the take charge attitude Maximilian has! A couple of questions though: what was that thing that one of Max’s men unwrapped from the cloth? And who is in the cell with Jan Coppenhole?
@Scotti Brown, that's NOT a knife. It was a dagger made entirely from glass. It was hollow and could be filled with additional poison. After stabbing someone with it, the "blade" would break off and stay behind in the victim's body causing damage & poisoning them. Earlier in the series it was shown at the French Court and was said to have been imported from Venice, Italy. (glass blowing capital of the know world at that time).✌🏻
Maximilian was a child compared to Louis XI. The king seized nearly all inner Burgundy estates and left him the constant revolting Netherlands ( by his money of course). Maximilian called Edward IV for help but Louis XI had already bought the English king . And in the end he had to submit to Louis.
♥️The inaccuracies in the show are irrelevant...its done so much better than US programs...the language is just better...that the costumes or story is off matters not, what matters is that you know in your heart you are Europe, Each and every one of you, Europe is you, it is the space between you ...fight not for yourselves fight for that space! Fill that space, make it tissue, make it mass, make it inpenatrable Make it yours! Make it Europe! #EuropeforEuropeans Recognize the quoted speech? 😎 #THEKING
As a 28 generation descendant of Jan van Coppenolle it was not such glorious and fair policy Maximilian had. He destroyed the Bourgondië . Jan van Coppenolle and his twin brother Frans were beheaded on June 16 1492 in Gent because of treasonous people in favour of Maximilian. Not only Gent, but also Brugge, Ieperen their sanctions and taxes were very high because they dare to resist to a foreign h leader and a foreign country. Much of Bourgondië were destroyed. “De strijd om het regentschap over Filips de Schone, Opstand, facties en geweld in Brugge, Gent en Ieper (1482-1488)” of Prof. Dr. Jelle Haemers show this from a Bourgondië perspective and not so much from the warmonger Maximilian was.
@@marsnz1002 You better deepen into real data of Bourgondië and the war monger Maximilian. To start with “De strijd om het regentschap over Filips de Schone” of Prof.dr.Jelle Harmers is a good option instead this romantic pro-German film. The late-Bourgondic state of rule was indeed an anti-authoritarian one of the people and its welfare against the despotic tyrant filled with lust for power.
@@robertvermaat2124 Uhm, feudal totalitarianism was not recognized as an authority (and outside of brutal violence, it never was), there was nothing that existed to betray. These episodes portray the Habsburgs breaking their oath and violating the Great Privilege while people like Coppenhole are defending the freedom of the people and established treaties. The Habsburgs here are much like Russians today who suddenly show up in your village and go "How dare you not obey our führer Putin? We will murder you now and steal whatever you own, because, lol, babushka back home wants more loot"
I'm burstin with Curiousity, too!! I am a crude, impatient and , vulgar American AND I NEED TO SEE SOME HOT, HOT LOVIN,! er...I would like to see a love scene! And Phillip's birth...and lil Rettie! (Margaret) @Lili1127 I know I ask this all the time but about how far into the film are we now? Its a mini series or, rather like a 2 hour tv special ? 🤩🍨🎆 thank you again for uploading
@@Lily1127channel Well...To Be Fair, the series IS called Maximillian, not Maximillian And Mary Story. Its his Origin Story or how he became Holy Roman Emporer or some such (I'm assuming) It really is sad they didnt have much time together 😪 Anyhow, Its been a great show one I never would have been able to see if it werent for you, Lili *big hugs*
@@mediocremaiden8883 Actually, the series has various titles in different languages. Its original German title is Maximilian - Das Spiel von Macht und Liebe (meaning: Maximilian - The game of power and love). The French title is 'Marie de Bourgogne', in Spain it aired with the title 'Borgoña'. I think it aired only as 'Maximilian' in the USA, and that is also the title you can find on IMDB, that's why I also decided to use it. But I also saw it in English as 'Maximilian and Marie de Bourgogne'. Maybe that's the most fitting title for this series, if we consider the content. Or the Spanish title, because the whole plot is centered around Burgundy, and the French and the Austrians' constant struggles to get Burgundy.
Starz (North-America) had bought two seasons, in April 2018, of the show "Maximilian". It was/is an Austrian-German co-production. “Maximilian and Marie de Bourgogne” is an epic 15th Century historical drama. It was produced by MR, Beta Film, Austria's ORF, and German broadcaster ZDF. The U.S. deals: for the international dramas of non-English-language fare was/is travelling well these days.✌🏻
@@stoker1931jane Really? I'll check it out. But After @Lili1127 uploads are complete. If it is available on Starz here in the US at least I can watch it and enjoy it having seen it here first and all the history and notes from Lili. I usually have to watch Historic Period Pieces a few times because I always stop and wiki a person or a battle or some such 🤷🏼♀️🤩
funny that everyone is rooting for a despot, and the more democratic movement that cities want to rule themselves and not by a monarch from another country are seen as evil :)
yes! the same democratic movement that invited the French to burn, pillage, rape, and kill their own countrymen in order to guilt trip their legal executive figure into signing away her rights, authority, body, and most of her agency are seen as the bad guys- how unthinkable!
Nah, they don’t want democracy, they want their very own oligarchy which eventually would end in another autocracy, though this time lacking any legitimacy.
@@-----REDACTED----- Agreed. The Lords of these cities were not interested in any concept of democracy. They were merchants in the cloth and wool trade. Their only interest was making money.
You really think the merchants were trying to set up a democratic state? It would have been an oligarchy at best, more likely another despot chosen from the richest merchants.
Tbh they are much more accurate than in other 15th century dramas 😄 And they are neither too modern nor far from what they wore in the 1400s in Burgundy and Central Europe. Not watching things because of the inaccurate costumes means you can't watch classics like Gone With the Wind, Amadeus, Pride and Prejudice, Marie Antoinette, Moulin Rouge, Great Gatsby, etc, etc 😄😄
Is it possible to find a version where the French dialogue isn't dubbed over with German? I'm going to be reading subtitles either way, it'd be nice to hear both languages together.
I think the show was filmed in German as Maximillian was German speaking. You do have a point. Starting at 25 seconds, Mary is conversing with her stepmother, Margaret of York, and neither of them had German as a mother language, so doubtful they would have spoken in German. Mary's native language was French and her stepmother's was English, as she was the sister of the two York Kings of England, Edward IV and Richard III.
@@janefelix3821you're right, but aristocracy were usually multilingual. And the more languages you speak the easier it is to learn more. But if they had a conversation it would almost certainly have been in french though
I like how Maximilian starts taking charge of things right away to show those lords how it's going to be! And Mary's smile at the end of her convo with Margaret is so precious! Thanks for posting :D
As a 28 generation descendant of Jan van Coppenolle it was not such glorious and fair policy Maximilian had. He destroyed the Bourgondië . Jan van Coppenolle and his twin brother Frans were beheaded on June 16 1492 in Gent because of treasonous people in favour of Maximilian. Not only Gent, but also Brugge, Ieperen their sanctions and taxes were very high because they dare to resist to a foreign h leader and a foreign country. Much of Bourgondië were destroyed. “De strijd om het regentschap over Filips de Schone, Opstand, facties en geweld in Brugge, Gent en Ieper (1482-1488)” of Prof. Dr. Jelle Haemers show this from a Bourgondië perspective and not so much from the warmonger Maximilian was.
I like how determined Maximilian is in this scene. In my view this comes close to the behaviour of the real historic Maximilian in later times
This is such Cersei moment, Power is Power, no paper nor signature will bend swords.
The duke's guard captain is such an excellent man
Yeah, you believe he's an old warrior.
This was so satisfying after what Jan did to Mary's faithful advisors. And knowing the history too that Jan plays a role in Phillip being taken from Maximilian after Mary's death.
Historical note: Most of the things happening with Jan Coppenhole are fiction in the series. It is true that he stood up against Maximilian, but it happened later, in 1484, when Mary was no longer alive (d. 1482). He opposed Maximilian taking over the regency for his underage son, Philip (the Fair), who was Mary's heir. He was working for the relative independence of his city Ghent all his life, and that's what he thought was in danger if Maximilian took over with the regency. In 1485 he had to flee to France, but he returned in 1487, and he used the angry mood of the citizens of Ghent to lead a revolt against the regent again. He was captured and beheaded along with his brother Francois in 1492.
Thank you!!!!
@@ThomasL58 Wow thats a website?! Lol....... Hrm my birthday was last week im gonna go check the date and see..You know, As a Conversation Piece ! "Hey Guys, GUESS WHO was executed in the 12th Century on my Birthday!" Thank you for uploading, as well !
Thanks for sharing, I was already on my way to wikipedia :) Its funny, we love and support these dukes but in fact the other guys are fighting for democracy
Thanks for the information, fiction and a good story is great but true history cannot be ignored
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I honestly think, one of the key criteria to being a great King during those time, is to have a high immunity to disease.... so that you can live longer and have a great reign
at 4:43 he didnt say you may leave in one piece he said you may die in one piece quite the difference
Jannis Niewöhner/Maximilian is a badass.
Bella gerant alii, tu felix Austria nube - ‘Let others wage war: thou, happy Austria, marry’. This famous saying is invariably quoted when the rise of the Habsburgs is put down to the success of their dynastic marriage policy, in which young archdukes and archduchesses were frequently married off as children to members of other dynasties, or indeed to relatives of their own.
Emperor Maximilian I is credited with the greatest success in the implementation of this policy - through his own marriage and those of his son Philip the Fair and his grandson Ferdinand, the dynasty gained Burgundy, Spain, Bohemia, and Hungary. However, the famous saying ignores the many strokes of luck that contributed to the rise of the Habsburgs - and also the fact that their gains were by no means always achieved without loss of blood. Wars were an equally important element of Habsburg policy as marriages. Luckily for my ancestors both the von Habsburgs and the Burgundians lost territories to the Swiss Confederacy and also were defeated on the battlefield over and over by the Swiss.
When your cities get too full of themselves in CK2. Heads, spikes, walls.
Nice reference
The way he said “good shoes” sounds very model like.
I love the take charge attitude Maximilian has!
A couple of questions though: what was that thing that one of Max’s men unwrapped from the cloth? And who is in the cell with Jan Coppenhole?
Just guessing, but it might have been the knife from the assassin attempt and the assassin himself?
sk j that would make sense
@@scottibrown3274 Yes, the knife the assassin had, with the emblem that gave away Coppemhole, I think. The assassin is the man in the cell.
@Scotti Brown, that's NOT a knife. It was a dagger made entirely from glass. It was hollow and could be filled with additional poison. After stabbing someone with it, the "blade" would break off and stay behind in the victim's body causing damage & poisoning them. Earlier in the series it was shown at the French Court and was said to have been imported from Venice, Italy. (glass blowing capital of the know world at that time).✌🏻
Sadly this series, too, is shot with that awful 'Historical Blue' filter... as if colours and light had no place in history.
in order to have color, one must have light, and interiors of buildings were not very light in the 1400s.
Maximilian was a child compared to Louis XI. The king seized nearly all inner Burgundy estates and left him the constant revolting Netherlands ( by his money of course). Maximilian called Edward IV for help but Louis XI had already bought the English king . And in the end he had to submit to Louis.
The real Maximillian was not handsome.
I'd like one Maximilian von Habsburg for my husband, please. Mary is LUCKY.
Do you have anything to offer though
@@Reichsritter Well, kings and emperors married minor noblewomen as well during this time. So all I'd need is be born in the right family.
@@auroramartell Do you look anything like your picture at least?
@@Reichsritter Not exactly but people do say I'm very pretty.
@@auroramartell what's your instagram?
The lord kissed Maximilian's hand as a sign of submission and the whole court got coronavirus.
🤣🤣🤣
For a moment there, I thought Archduke Maximilian invented the bro-fist.
Not coronavirus but foot-and-mouth disease.
"The Black Death is just a hoax made up by the aristorcratic media to enslave us"
♥️The inaccuracies in the show are irrelevant...its done so much better than US programs...the language is just better...that the costumes or story is off matters not, what matters is that you know in your heart you are Europe, Each and every one of you, Europe is you, it is the space between you ...fight not for yourselves fight for that space! Fill that space, make it tissue, make it mass, make it inpenatrable Make it yours! Make it Europe! #EuropeforEuropeans
Recognize the quoted speech? 😎 #THEKING
Reconquista 👹
As a 28 generation descendant of Jan van Coppenolle it was not such glorious and fair policy Maximilian had. He destroyed the Bourgondië . Jan van Coppenolle and his twin brother Frans were beheaded on June 16 1492 in Gent because of treasonous people in favour of Maximilian. Not only Gent, but also Brugge, Ieperen their sanctions and taxes were very high because they dare to resist to a foreign h leader and a foreign country. Much of Bourgondië were destroyed. “De strijd om het regentschap over Filips de Schone, Opstand, facties en geweld in Brugge, Gent en Ieper (1482-1488)” of Prof. Dr. Jelle Haemers show this from a Bourgondië perspective and not so much from the warmonger Maximilian was.
Maybe he was a traitor because of his local affiliations, but he was a traitor to Maria nontheless.
Funny how everyone's ancestors are always the innocent victims.
Right or wrong, I just see another rich guy trying to dodge his taxes.
@@marsnz1002 You better deepen into real data of Bourgondië and the war monger Maximilian. To start with “De strijd om het regentschap over Filips de Schone” of Prof.dr.Jelle Harmers is a good option instead this romantic pro-German film. The late-Bourgondic state of rule was indeed an anti-authoritarian one of the people and its welfare against the despotic tyrant filled with lust for power.
Did He tried to control Mary's right to marry though?
@@robertvermaat2124
Uhm, feudal totalitarianism was not recognized as an authority (and outside of brutal violence, it never was), there was nothing that existed to betray.
These episodes portray the Habsburgs breaking their oath and violating the Great Privilege while people like Coppenhole are defending the freedom of the people and established treaties.
The Habsburgs here are much like Russians today who suddenly show up in your village and go "How dare you not obey our führer Putin? We will murder you now and steal whatever you own, because, lol, babushka back home wants more loot"
where can I find the show with english subtitle?
amazon. also, its audio has _all_ the languages of the original (e.g., marie and her step-mother spoke french).
It is fine Jan, give couple hundredyears these aristocrats will kiss the bourgeois' hands.
I never knew that the gals back then were so attractive or that they had access to Max Factor products
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series name
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I want some Maximilian real bad 😩😋
I'm burstin with Curiousity, too!! I am a crude, impatient and , vulgar American AND I NEED TO SEE SOME HOT, HOT LOVIN,! er...I would like to see a love scene! And Phillip's birth...and lil Rettie! (Margaret) @Lili1127 I know I ask this all the time but about how far into the film are we now? Its a mini series or, rather like a 2 hour tv special ? 🤩🍨🎆 thank you again for uploading
The miniseries consists of 3 episodes, each episode 90 minutes long. Now we are quite towards the end, almost half of the last episode.
@@Lily1127channel Well...To Be Fair, the series IS called Maximillian, not Maximillian And Mary Story. Its his Origin Story or how he became Holy Roman Emporer or some such (I'm assuming) It really is sad they didnt have much time together 😪 Anyhow, Its been a great show one I never would have been able to see if it werent for you, Lili *big hugs*
@@mediocremaiden8883 Actually, the series has various titles in different languages. Its original German title is Maximilian - Das Spiel von Macht und Liebe (meaning: Maximilian - The game of power and love). The French title is 'Marie de Bourgogne', in Spain it aired with the title 'Borgoña'. I think it aired only as 'Maximilian' in the USA, and that is also the title you can find on IMDB, that's why I also decided to use it. But I also saw it in English as 'Maximilian and Marie de Bourgogne'. Maybe that's the most fitting title for this series, if we consider the content. Or the Spanish title, because the whole plot is centered around Burgundy, and the French and the Austrians' constant struggles to get Burgundy.
Starz (North-America) had bought two seasons, in April 2018, of the show "Maximilian". It was/is an Austrian-German co-production. “Maximilian and Marie de Bourgogne” is an epic 15th Century historical drama. It was produced by MR, Beta Film, Austria's ORF, and German broadcaster ZDF. The U.S. deals: for the international dramas of non-English-language fare was/is travelling well these days.✌🏻
@@stoker1931jane Really? I'll check it out. But After @Lili1127 uploads are complete. If it is available on Starz here in the US at least I can watch it and enjoy it having seen it here first and all the history and notes from Lili. I usually have to watch Historic Period Pieces a few times because I always stop and wiki a person or a battle or some such 🤷🏼♀️🤩
funny that everyone is rooting for a despot, and the more democratic movement that cities want to rule themselves and not by a monarch from another country are seen as evil :)
Yeah but Mary wasn’t a bad ruler
yes! the same democratic movement that invited the French to burn, pillage, rape, and kill their own countrymen in order to guilt trip their legal executive figure into signing away her rights, authority, body, and most of her agency are seen as the bad guys- how unthinkable!
Nah, they don’t want democracy, they want their very own oligarchy which eventually would end in another autocracy, though this time lacking any legitimacy.
@@-----REDACTED----- Agreed. The Lords of these cities were not interested in any concept of democracy. They were merchants in the cloth and wool trade. Their only interest was making money.
You really think the merchants were trying to set up a democratic state? It would have been an oligarchy at best, more likely another despot chosen from the richest merchants.
The costumes are absolutely inaccurate, that's a pure mess. I can't watch because of this.
Tbh they are much more accurate than in other 15th century dramas 😄 And they are neither too modern nor far from what they wore in the 1400s in Burgundy and Central Europe.
Not watching things because of the inaccurate costumes means you can't watch classics like Gone With the Wind, Amadeus, Pride and Prejudice, Marie Antoinette, Moulin Rouge, Great Gatsby, etc, etc 😄😄
What a snob.
....i suppose one could always enjoy the audio route :p
@@Lily1127channelAs I understand it, they barely have costumes at all in the Moulin Rouge 😅
Is it possible to find a version where the French dialogue isn't dubbed over with German?
I'm going to be reading subtitles either way, it'd be nice to hear both languages together.
I think the show was filmed in German as Maximillian was German speaking. You do have a point. Starting at 25 seconds, Mary is conversing with her stepmother, Margaret of York, and neither of them had German as a mother language, so doubtful they would have spoken in German. Mary's native language was French and her stepmother's was English, as she was the sister of the two York Kings of England, Edward IV and Richard III.
@@janefelix3821you're right, but aristocracy were usually multilingual. And the more languages you speak the easier it is to learn more. But if they had a conversation it would almost certainly have been in french though
amazon has the original audio.