Who Is the DEVIL in Majora's Mask? - The Devil Theory (Zelda: Majora's Mask Theory)
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
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VIDEO CHAPTERS:
Intro 0:00
The Story of Sharp and Flat 0:39
Suspect #1: Skull Kid 2:18
Suspect #2: Majora 5:40
Suspect #3: ??? 7:32
THE BEST PART 9:16
Outro 11:24
My theory as to who and what the "devil" is in Majora's Mask. It's referred to only once in all of Zelda, but makes for an interesting theory. Comment below who you think the devil is and be sure to let me know if you see any holes in my theory. After all, I'm not asserting that what I say is the absolute truth - just a theory :) Thanks for watching, and subscribe for more, my Hylians!
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First off why would a grim reaper buy souls when taking souls is literally their job and they can do it without buying. Second off this could have easily been a goofy translation or *an artsy composer speaking figuratively* third off *how the fuck is he moving around if he’s in the grim reaper’s soul orb*
All valid questions: As we can see with Gomess, he's not the exact depiction of the grim reaper that everybody knows. He's not simply a skeleton, but a monster of some kind. He summons bats as protection, has a large orb at his center, and gives off a red glow - things not characteristic of the commonly depicted grim reaper. Based on that, I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that Gomess does not abide by the rules of the commonly depicted grim reaper or follow the same tropes. As for translation, the Japanese text says basically the same as the English text, some translating "akuma" as "demon", although it can mean both from what I understand. You could certainly make the case that Flat was speaking figuratively, but I chose to take it literally as it intrigued me and lent itself to an interesting discussion. Finally, a soul is different than a spirit. In Twilight Princess, for example, Jovani sold his soul to Poes who then broke it into fragments. Jovani, although soulless, was still able to physically exist and communicate. This would seem to indicate that souls are able to be taken/exchanged without actually destroying who it was taken from. In some capacity or another, people can physically exist without a soul in the Zelda universe. In this case, since Sharp was already a spirit when he sold his soul, this only allowed his *mind* to be corrupted since he was no longer bound by physicality. That's how I'd answer that anyway.
Simple, to fulfill the wishful desires of those who died with regrets and turned into poes.
I think that the devil isn't that gomess but is really the hooded guy who raises the tree. He collects souls, is from ikana. And can use the said souls to do his bidding hence the poe minibosses at the spirit house. Who's to say he can't raise the dead too
@@Retroatron I was actually thinking that the guy who sold his soul wasn't being literal about selling his soul, until I asked myself what's a grim reaper doing in ikana?
@@johnpett1955 was thinking it was the poe collector, wasn't he a villain in some Zelda games
In game, I'd probably go with Skull Kid, seems the most likely candidate. However:...
Really, it's a figure of speech. More specifically, it is a nod to the blues singer Robert Johnson who, legend says, met the Devil at the crossroads at midnight, and sold his soul in return for being given an otherworldly talent for playing/singing the blues. This is why blues is often called "devil music."
Another problem with accusing Skull Kid is the timeline, he became corrupted at the beginning of the game and Sharp sold his soul many years before the game
Even before that he was still a trickster. Also why did the Giants suddenly unfriend him ? I think he did something that involved ikana
@@ronandread5141 anju grandmother tells the story about it, can’t remember now, but is something about the giants doesnt having the time to play with Skull Kid or smth
I really liked the theory. I always thought that saying Skullkid (or Majora) was “the devil” was kind of lazy. And you actually linked it to a character inside of the game instead of saying: “the devil is an unknown figure and that’s the theory”. New sub btw
Thanks so much! It was really the "sold his soul" part that made me rethink the Skull Kid or Majora theory, since neither of them strike me as soul-bargainers, just nuisances and destroyers. Once I remembered that there was a literal grim reaper in Ikana, the pieces started to fall into place. Although we know very little about Gomess, he still seems like the probable candidate for being the "devil".
Well in the French version, that text is translated in " diable masqué" masked devil so the translators had the same idea as you.
As a kid I thought he was talking about majora being the devil because plunging the moon on to the earth seems pretty demonic I also used to have the startegy guide for this game and in there it said majoras mask was carved from the skin of a demon so I thought it was majora
In a content drought this was refreshing lol I'd never thought deeper into that bit of dialogue until now. Great Video!
Enjoying the Zelda theories my man! Very original and interesting. Looking forward to what you do next.
Much appreciated!
Stone tower was very different from the other temples. It was hinted that the stone tower was a base of operation for an evil force that cursed Ikana long before majora mask began causing chaos. The Ikana family could have been the ones to seal tower to prevent the curse they suffered from spreading. Hinted at with the king telling link that he would need an army to beat the tower
Randomly got this suggested glad I clicked on it this was great!
Majoras Mask is my favorite game in the world
and Zelda Theories are like my frigging drug
Thank you, glad you liked it!
@@Retroatron Hell ya bro,I'm working on some stuff right now
but ill definitely be checking out more of your vids when im done!
Great theory and all around good quality video! Subbed and can’t wait to see what more comes from you!
Thank you, Keith! Glad you enjoyed it.
I think you're thinking about this WAY more than the director or story team did. But I like your funny words, magic man, and if this ever becomes a conversation I get into, I'll likely redirect people to this video.
I honestly thought you were going to say that it was the guy that raises the tree upon seeing Link wearing the garo mask, when you were describing the suspect. His Hylian counterpart deals in souls and he does reanimate the dead mini-bosses for a little challenge when you have 18 heart containers.
I thought the same!
Yes same! It fits way more than presuming some aesthetical equivalence to the devil and the grim reaper to link this to Gomess honestly.
Yeah and even his terminarian counterpart collects souls not just the hylian version hence the poe minibosses
Super interesting theory!! I wish we had more info to work with, but I suppose that would take some of the fun out of theorizing, eh?
It was either the Happy Mask Salesman when he obtained the mask, or whoever moved the mask out of the tower
Imagine if there was a post-game set in Termina where this "devil" turned out to be the true villain behind Majora, Skull Kid, the Garo and everything that happened as the greater evil. (Not Ganondorf or Demise, a new villain that we haven't seen before.)
i kinda feel like that would devalue Majora a bit. the garo sure go ham
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that post-game stuff wasn't invented back then.
What about the happy mask sales man? Maybe he's the one that stirred things up
This is actually what I initially thought - that the Happy Mask Salesman made a deal with Sharp to help him find Majora's Mask in Stone Tower Temple. I scratched that theory since I'm not sure that the Happy Mask Salesman would want to purchase a soul or what he would do with it. And since the opening of the Stone Tower Temple door is not connected to raising of the undead Ikana Royal Family members, it's not likely he was the devil that would be able to raise them. What do you think? Thanks for watching!
I’m new to the channel. This should be recommended to everyone
Thank you, and welcome to the channel!
I think the Ikana area is the most interesting the MM because of the presence of an antagonistic force that predates the Skull Kid/Majora's Mask's actions. Interesting that Igos mentions that someone opened up the Stone Tower doors, rather than 'the masked one' or something like that. Also Pamela's father notes that he created his anti-Gibdo song after years of researching Gibdos, so we know that the undead in MM have been around for years in some form.
Your Zelda theories are top notch like Masked Nintendo bandit, I also love the de-composing pun. Thanks for bringing out many unique theories, I can’t wait for more of your concepts!
Thank you, Samuel! More is certainly on the way :)
Lucky to have gotten this in my recommendations, too bad the algorithm hasn't blessed your channel more, I legit thought that this was made by one of those Zelda channels with hundreds of thousands of subs. You'll probably reach that point eventually if you keep this up though.
That means so much, thank you!
A part of me thinks it’s the Poe game host, in OOT he literally buys souls from you, and in MM he seems to still have control over trapping souls
Wow, good job with not only the theory but being the first to make a theory about this!
I know Gomess is designed to look like the Reaper, but I've always seen him as a Lich: a powerful undead who locked his soul to a physical object, with that object becoming the one thing that can kill him. Sound familiar? Gomess's orb is his Phylactery (the Lich's soul object), which is why he defends it so much. Also him being a Lich bypasses the logic of why a Grim Reaper would act as a Devil: He's not a Grim Reaper, he just looks like one.
Other than that solid theory.
How do you only have 114 subs, this is real quality work! Keep it up my man
Much appreciated!
Dark fact: Shigeru Miyamoto had a nightmare about the deku mask and used that for content when designing the game
All your theory’s are so good and refreshing I love them keep up the good work
Always nice to get new Zelda theories. Subscribed!
Thanks for the support, means a lot!
0:17
River Devil from Zelda 2 would like to have a word...
Good theory.
@8:28 it sounded like you were alluding to Ghost Hunter from Ikana Canyon (the guy that can literally spawn the Poe Sisters and knows about Ikana's Undead.)
Aside from his look, nothing suggests that Gomess is the actual grim Reaper. Tatl would've pointed this out if that were the case.
Also, the souls dropped by the Poes in Majora's Mask are still the fiery designs from OoT. The orb that Gomess holds that looks like a Twilight Princess soul is just a coincidence
0:14 In Zelda 2 you must play the flute to scare off the "River Devil"
Of course I found that out right after posting this video lol
now this is what i'm talkin about
The "decomposing" brothers! 😅
There is another who lives in icana valley who has been known to collect souls, especially those of Poe
The Ghost Hunter.
The composers do strike an uncanny resemblance to Poes... They even have lanterns.
The devil doesn't have to be someone you suspect. Although the character is suspicious and not too much as ever known about him.
I fucking love your content dude, the quality and theories themselves are amazing. Subscribed.
I really appreciate that, thank you.
I think a major candidate you are missing is the mask salesman. He knew the songs of time so could go back in time to when they were around and masks sometimes have souls in them so he could potentially be the one that wanted their soul so he could make masks
Yesss yes yeah , amazing video
Cool video!
The poe collector is in majora's mask. Maybe he's the devil. He buys souls, raises the dead, and is from ikana plus be wears a cloak and looks kinda menacing.
In France, Gomess name is called Faucheur, which means Reaper in French.
Grim reapers aren't evil nor do they really make deals in exchange for souls they've already collected as it goes against their job as guides to the afterlife. I always took Gomez being in the tower as part of the curse on Ikana as part of that "no reaper then no one can die" trope. But it's a video game and rarely do video games mirror 1 for 1 anything irl so it doesn't necessarily break this theory. we do have to defeat Gomez before beating the dungeon which could explain why everyone is still hanging around Ikana. Also, the idea that Skull Kid and the Devil being separate people is a theory I also had and glad to see I'm not the only 1. Sense you brought up Great Bay's pollution. You've probably already made a video on this, this is only the 3rd video I've seen and I'm watching them out order. But it's kinda implied that the Great Bay temple is a water purification plant. Meaning the murky waters are the Bay's natural state, though maybe not as bad as we see in game sense the water purifier is running in reverse
Grim reapers just do their job at maintaining the balance of life and guide souls to the afterlife
Great video and great humor wish you 10k subs
Thanks for the support, glad you liked it!
Keep up the good work, I feel like you're going to get more subs soon 👍 also, great video
Too kind, thanks for the support!
No clue how you're not at 100k subs bro this was so good!
Means a lot, thank you!
Thanks for doing this theory.
Absolutely, it was a blast to make. I could theorize about Zelda all day long. Thanks for watching!
I do not follow either the substance of your first gripe with it being Skull Kid, nor the argument about it not being Majorca’s Mask by way of still existing after Twinmold (especially in light of the fact that it still exists after you beat Gomess), however the idea that Gomess is somehow central to the curse and may well be “the Devil” referenced is fairly decent and functions well within story. We know little enough about Gomess that it’s possible he was even the bearer of the mask-possibly even the one who brought it into the stone tower int he first place, sealing himself inside-which would explain why Sharpe knew of him and thought to go to him at all.
The question of the mask being sealed in the Stone Tower has always been fascinating and how and why it was remains an interesting question. To my mind, it was a case of someone had to put the mask in, and, much like Sauron’s ring of power, it seems the mask could corrupt by mere presence, so likely the bearer (like Frodo) felt their trip was one-way. Gomess being an ancient self-sacrificial hero driven slowly mad and twisted by the very mask he helped seal away makes a lot of thematic sense to me.
Thanks for commenting, appreciate your thoughts! My first gripe was simply that there are two separate contexts at play. On one hand, Sharp had sold his soul to "the devil". On the other hand, Sharp mentions that the dead lingering in Ikana was "a trick of the masked one". The selling of Sharp's soul to "the devil" is not connected to the dead lingering in Ikana but, rather, "the masked one" (who most presume to be Skull Kid) is. This separates "the devil" and "the masked one" as being different people, as far as context suggests anyway. I'm not quite sure I understand the second issue you took, I never used the existence of Majora's Mask post-Twinmold as evidence against Majora being "the devil". My point was that if Igos du Ikana and his servants can still live after Twinmold is defeated and Stone Tower Temple is completed, then they're not connected to the curse that came from the opening of the Stone Tower Temple door. The curse that came from Stone Tower Temple was likely the one that rose the dead in Ikana, so this would mean that they were risen by some other means (i.e. the selling of Sharp's soul to "the devil"). I really like your comparison to The Lord of the Rings, that's even a video I thought about doing as there are many similarities to it in Majora's Mask. That's an interesting idea you propose, however, that Gomess may have been a Frodo-like character in that he ventured to dispel an ancient, evil relic. Thank you for watching!
How in the world dont you have more subs!? Love your work. Great editing, narration, and custom art. Keep up the great content man. You will break the algorithm.
You're too kind! Thanks for the support!
@@Retroatron Hmm As A Christian That Name It Is A Serious Blow
The first thing you see on the first day is Kafei as a child. You must assume that everything skull kid has done happens before you exit the clock tower, or whenever you are not looking at skull kid. As far as alternate possible devils: the Moon, the poe collector, the Garo master, Mayor Dotour and the Happy Mask Salesman. Remember who retrieved the mask from an ancient tribe after all.
I just assumed that the reaper was a litch type of foe. The orb had his soul attached so that he could live on. Or so i had thought
Your videos deserve more views.
I like the theory. You sir got a sub
Thank you, means a lot!
I mean there is the "poe collector" (dude whom wears the cape and has the giant red eye along with a stick) whom is also located inside Ikana, he has been known to buy souls, he has an otherworldly feel to him like he truly doesn't belong there.
Idk maybe he possesses the capabilities of making deals with those around him? (Technically in ocarina of time he makes a deal with link to buy Poe's off him) he does indeed possess a dark and menacing demeanor which could certainly be linked to the devil but idrk maybe this is all far fetched.
Not a farfetched idea at all, the Poe Collector would be a reasonable suspect to analyze. Though I personally don't subscribe to the Poe Collector theory since, in Majora's Mask anyway, he neither buys souls nor raises the dead. Rather, he seems to be a gatherer of "wandering spirits" (which he mentions multiple times) specifically, whom he attempts to put to rest.
2:51 "He tells Link: 'We ded"
Link is dead theory confirmed!
That is a good point on who the devil is but this might be a longshot of who I thought it was there was a cave upstream where you fought the mini bosses of each dungeon again and the robed figure sitting at the entrance was the devil everyone talked about
Funnily enough, I just uploaded a video about that robed figure (the Poe Collector) and came to, well, a bit of a different conclusion... Thanks for watching!
I thought you were going to suggest thst the poe dealer was the devil, and also, I thought you were going to say that sharp and flat both ran and hod during the war and the devil sought them out offering to bring back ikana, an army that never dies and never tires, bring back you king to live forever, anyway... cool video man!
I always felt like it was Majora because Gomez to me just comes across as a minion of Majora anyway because of Gomez was the Devil wouldn’t it automatically free all the Undead Stalfos if killed?
Majora to me is basically the Ganon/Demise of Termina and it kind of makes sense Majora would be the devil.
It’s a nice theory but I prefer the Majora is the devil theory!
I always thought that he was talking about the Mask or Majora itself when Flat had mentioned the devil.
for a moment i thought you were about to present the Poe Merchant as The Devil, since he LITERALLY BUYS SOULS. Besides, he did fit almost all your points
Good thought, and others have brought this up. In Majora's Mask, however, the Poe Collector neither buys souls nor does he raise the dead. He seems to be a gatherer of "wandering spirits" (which he mentions multiple times) specifically, whom he attempts to put to rest, at least in Majora's Mask.
The true evil in the land is due to majoras mask. That's the whole point of the game lol. It's a great theory, don't get me wrong, but the mask is pure evil.
Hey there, thanks for the comment! I agree with you 100% and actually mentioned that around 3:43 and 5:47. You could certainly call Majora "the Devil" when it comes to the history of Termina, but I was more so focused on who "the Devil" could be with regards to Flat's story of Sharp.
Some have pointed out that Gomess appears to be a lich since you have to attack the orb to deal any damage to him. A lich is generally defined as a necromancer that turned themselves into an undead being to become immortal and binds their soul to some object, a phylactery, so that they can keep coming back if their body is destroyed. The way to truly defeat a lich is to destroy its phylactery.
If Gomess is supposed to be a lich, it would make sense for Sharp to go to him for knowledge on resurrecting the dead. It would also make sense for Gomess to ask for his soul in return because the cost of immortality for these beings in fiction usually requires feeding on the lives or souls of others to stay alive.
As others have pointed out, grim reapers are usually not depicted as evil. Liches are always going to be evil because of the lives they have to take to become/stay immortal.
I always figured that Gomez was The Devil, but I always preferred the theory that it was the Mask Salesman that was the one to open Stone Tower since he "went to such great lengths to obtain that legendary mask". The Stone Tower is clearly honoring Majora. It's a common but usually well accepted theory that the Ikanians were the "ancient tribe" that made Majora's Mask and hid it (there's also the theory that the Ikanians were the Shiekah, which makes sense to me since we never see them in game but we find remnants of them)
So the order of events being:
The Shiekah with no Zelda-like royal family to protect become the rulers of Termina and rename themselves to Ikana.
They make Majora's Mask in honor of their Sun Goddess, however they have hexing rituals which makes the mask become sentient/posses Majora's soul and turn evil. (they also make the Fierce Deity Mask; probably from the soul of the Ikana version of Link)
The Ikana Royal Family seal away Majora's Mask in Stone Tower, and lock the way to climbing the tower with traps, the only "key" being the Elegy of Emptiness (similar to the roles of Zelda's Lullaby and Song of Time in Hyrule) which is a secret held by the Royal Family.
The Ikana War breaks out and nearly everyone dies, survivors move to Termina field and form Clock Town which becomes a popular trade town. (this would explain Kafei and Mayor Dutor having red eyes; they're descended from the Shiekah)
Years later the Mask Salesman goes looking for Majora's Mask - a legendary mask. Either for his personal collection or for evil purposes (we don't know), he finds himself in Ikana Canyon and using some form of magic, he enters Stone Tower and retrieves Majora's Mask. Opening the door causes the dead to rise.
Gomez who must have also been trapped within Stone Tower, or perhaps a creation of Majora, comes and tempts Sharp with restoring the Royal Family's strength, but puts a curse on Sharp and the Ikana Royal Family. Twinmold is used as a Guardian over the local Giant.
It would be interesting to see if there's any difference between the original Japanese and the English translation as sometimes things are changed. It could be just a figure of speech as the phrase/idea of "selling one's soul to the devil" is quite a common one, at least in the English speaking world. Interesting video nonetheless.
You bring up a fine point, one that I wondered about myself. According to everything I've seen, "Akuma" is the Japanese word for "Devil", but since there is (to the best of my knowledge) no singular "Devil" in Japanese culture, "Akuma" can be more directly translated to "Demon". I'd love a native Japanese speaker to fact check me on this, but this is what I remember finding from my research while making this video. I can't really speak to the selling of Sharp's soul as being a figure of speech when translated to Japanese, but I'll see what information I can scrounge up on that. Thanks for the support!
@@Retroatron Hello, not a native Japanese speaker, but am a weirdo who like to fact check translations with with original source material's language with some knowledge on Japanese.
And yes, Flat does refer to 'devil' as 'akuma in the original launguage (at least in 3D Majora's Mask). I'll even provide to original sentence below.
悪魔に魂を売り 私を こんな所に閉じ込めた 張本人… 死者を恐れめ者よ。私の後ろに刻まれた曲をよく 覚えてほしい…
@@Kakaragi Great, thanks for providing that!
@@Retroatron No problem, although if you don't mind doing your own digging/searching, you can just put this into youtube's search bar and do some poking around: 'ゼルダの伝説 ムジュラの仮面'
Nintendo tries to be careful about any religion references in international releases so this is an oddity regardless
Awesome theory! I don't speak japanese but someone who does should look into if this is a product of translating it from japanese to english.
it's the Happy Mask Salesman
I still think it could be the Poe collector
Here's another theory the mask salesman is the devil who had knowledge nobody else had how do you think he got the most powerful item in the world
I love Majora’s Mask. Such a massive game with so many possibilities and loose ends. This gets a sub from me.
Though Gomess being the devil is never a connection I made, I always assumed Gomess was a servant of said devil, like a right-hand man of sorts. Though I do still think it may be a character in the game. Would you mind if I made a sort of spin-off video of this theory?
I concur, one of the most mysterious and wacky games ever made. Go right on ahead, I just subscribed to you so I can watch it when you drop it!
@@Retroatron Awesome! I’ll see how soon I can get this cooked up.
So by the way, I forgot to mention. It's been a WHILE since I had done the quest in the secret shrine, so I had thought the devil may be the shrine guy, since he deals in spirits. But you proved me wrong with your theory on it like the next day, lol.
Gomess… I wish they gave him/her a backstory…
Cool theory, although, there is a big problem with it. Majora’s Mask’s development time was less than a year. All writing, storyboarding, enemy design, programming, etc. was all done in less than a year. This means that *on top* of every quest and dialogue, that Eiji Aonuma had to also implement this fanciful story into the game. I find it incredibly unlikely if not, impossible for it to be the case. I for one think that Gomess was simply a mini boss they implemented very quickly in order to defend the boss key, and that orb is just an easy way to tell the player his weak spot. Especially since Gomess is never mentioned before or after his appearance in stone tower. I think that, lore wise, it makes more sense for the Garo leaders than Gomess to have raised the dead, because they have plot relevance, and we’re obviously thought about more than the one off boss that you see once in the whole game. That doesn’t mean that I think it was the Garo leaders, I still think it was Majora. He has the largest motive to buy the soul of sharp and wreak havoc in Ikana.
It was the terminian equivalent of the poe collecter!
I've personally toyed with the idea the happy mask salesman attempted to heal sharp in exchange for access to the Stone Tower. It seemed like that would be the "great personal lengths" he mentioned having to go to in order to acquire it. To be honest it's never really talked about how he came by the mask or where.
We do know this wouldn't be the first time he demanded help and only after getting what he wanted does he return the favor (even if Link didn't have MM right away). We also know the mask salesman has insight into souls since he can recognise a terrible fate especially in the case of the transformation masks
Additionally the song of healing doesn't work on Sharp since he's already dead, so even if the salesman has good intentions the song wouldn't have worked and he may have just gone on his way. Leaving the composer to his anguish
Flat says his brother sold his soul, and the mask salesman is literally a sales person who happens to deal in magical masks often tied to souls and other very personal things
I think this theory might suffer tho from its reliance on sharp having gotten MM for the salesman. I just don't see anyway without the elegy of emptiness for him to have scaled the tower, unless that mario mask on his pack isn't just an Easter egg. Also after defeating Twinmold for the first time there that cutscene with the spirit orb thanking Link before it goes up into the sky suggesting at least some of the undead are tied to Skullkid/Majora's work in the area.
This guy could use more subs. Welp, here's one more for ya.
And another 1 *dj Khalid voice*
Hmm. Interesting
I think that it's less of a stretch to assume that Skull Kid was behind it. Or that it was just a figure of speech, even.
You're entitled to that opinion, and I get where you're coming from! If the quote is to be taken literally, though, this theory would make sense of a few oddities that the Skull Kid theory couldn't explain. Why would Skull Kid (or Majora) need a soul? If Skull Kid brought Igos du Ikana and his two servants back from the dead, why wouldn't they disappear when Majora's curse was vanquished in Ikana like things do in every other region? Why wouldn't Tatl (who had followed Skull Kid since before he found Majora's Mask) tell Link right where Flat was sealed, how to get to him, and how to heal Sharp? Just a few questions that didn't sit right with me. I'm certainly not claiming that Skull Kid didn't bring desolation to Ikana under the influence of Majora's Mask, or even that he's not the "masked one" mentioned by Sharp - only that the selling of Sharp's soul doesn't seem to be directly related to Skull Kid's trickery or Majora's curse. Thanks for the comment and have a good one!
Thank you for your response! Sorry for being so curt, I was tired. I should have clarified that I do think this is a good theory regardless.
@@archagenteverlasting1239 You're absolutely fine, no need to apologize! Glad you liked it and I hope to see you stick around for what's to come :)
Nah, it had to be someone as ancient as the ikana, maybe a little younger, so I went with the fierce deity. The fierce deity in the manga is the one that sealed Majora in a mask, and skinned majora after killing him. As the fierce deity was known in the manga for his greed, he could’ve been the one who acted as the devil, and I think I know why. The fierce deity is op in the game, and is capable of defeating any boss quickly, so he might have tried to achieve unlimited power by going to ikana in order to reap a soul to increase his own power to make himself the most powerful being in termina.
I always took that metaphorically
Understandably so, as it's an understated line that appears to have little bearing on any legitimately established lore. For the purposes of this theory, however, I chose to take it literally and came up with (what I think is) a relatively reasonable proposal!
For some reason as a kid i always just thought of the happy mask salesman at that statement... no idea why... just one of those unquestionned thoughts.
Alright, here's my deep dive: The fact that "devil" is lowercase despite having the definite article "the" and despite there being no context for who that might be, if we're taking the grammar seriously, indicates that he's referring to some (likely demonic) entity that _isn't_ explicitly El Diablo himself, but that the speaker still thinks the entity is well-known enough to be referred to so ambiguously.
In times like this, we turn to the original Japanese: I couldn't readily find it, but you say the word _akuma_ is used, which is indeed rendered both "[the] devil" and "[the] demon". I'd be curious to know if that word _akuma_ is ever used to refer to the proverbial Lord of Demons in greater Japanese language, or if it's a term used to describe just any sort of hellish being, rather like the words "demon" and even "devil" can in English. As for the "the" in _"the_ devil", though, Japanese doesn't use articles, so it's possible that _"a_ demon" is an equally valid translation, and one with less cultural baggage that the original writers possibly never intended.
In any case, Flat is clearly referring to _someone_ entity as a powerful demonic force. I always assumed the common interpretation is that he's referring to Majora, and that he's possibly giving a little backstory to how Majora was an entity that his bygone society actually interacted with, possibly tying into the inversions and desecrations of Hylian religion which permeate Stone Tower and Ikana―and also, of course, explaining the giant carved image of Majora's Mask in the 'atrium' of the Temple. That would indeed be a unique reveal, as nobody else in the game (except the Mask Salesman, if I'm not mistaken) ever seems to recognize the Majora's Mask for what it really is, referring instead to the Skull Kid wearing it.
I don't know if Skull Kid himself makes sense, because his shenanigans are very recent, and Ikana has been dead for a long time. It seems more likely that Sharp encountered the same deity Skull Kid encountered than it does that he encountered Skull Kid. Skull Kid seems to have _reawakened_ the spirits in Ikana as part of his/Majora's menacing Termina by opening the Temple's door, but it seems Sharp sold his soul long before, not recently, since that lines up much better with both the undead state of Ikana and the fact that Flat had his time to compose his song and erect his monolith.
Moreover, all we're told is that Skull Kid opened the Stone Temple's door, and that that released certain spirits. This implies that Stone Temple had been sealed on purpose in the past to shut them in, further reinforcing the notion that the people of Ikana had been dealing with some demonic forces in the past well before the events of the game. The fact that Majora leads Skull Kid to rekindle Ikana's demonic forces and the fact that Majora's Mask is front and center in the temple seem to me to _heavily_ imply that it was in fact Majora they were worshiping in the past. Combined with their confirmed awareness of Hylian faith (see the fiendish block carvings defiling the Triforce with their tongues), this suggests that Ikanans like Flat were aware that Majora was a demon/devil (as opposed to something more holy or divine), and combined with his use of _"the_ devil", I think it's safe to assume that Flat was referring to Majora, the greatest _akuma_ revered by his society.
It is also altogether possible that an "the devil" referred to is an entity entirely unknown to us, a bit like the entity that lives in the "evil" Goddess Statue outside Hateno in Breath of the Wild. By that logic, it certainly could be Gomess, that would give him a _raison d'etre_ instead of just being an interesting surprise. I'd be more inclined to imagine that Sharp sold his soul while still living, but that doesn't preclude him selling it to Gomess: After all, like Sharp, Gomess endured in Ikana even after the kingdom's fall, but Majora seems to have abandoned it until recently. So it could well have been this Gomess figure Sharp sold his soul to―it could also be that Gomess was something like a priest or demonic servant of Majora's, which might explain his presence at Stone Tower in a way outside simply being drawn to dead spirits.
Of course, there's also the Faustian Bargain trope/reference at play, and it's even possible that was in the minds of the Japanese team writing this stuff for a character with a distinctly Western, almost stereotypically German mustache. Or that could just have just been baggage added by the localization team, either deliberately or subconsciously.
In any case, as surprising as it is to see "the devil" referenced in a Zelda game, I think it's telling that it only happened the once, and I think it's rather unsurprising that it happened here in Majora haha. Very interesting vid, thanks for drawing attention to this fun little mystery
Loved this analysis, great comment! The case of "the devil" certainly remains as you said - a fun little mystery.
Maybe Termina is the universe where the Legend of Zelda kept the original idea for Christianity to be it's central religion and he literally sold it to the actual devil?
Jokes aside, interesting theory.
Skull kid has lived for centuries he was besties with the gods of termina aka the Giants. So it is possible he was referred to as some sort of devil. Could be the reason why the Giants didn't like him after
I personally think it could be the happy mask salesman. For reasons you could probably guess.
11:28, I agree.
Bit late, but I'm surprised you didn't include the poe collector. I thought he fit most of your description of Gomess.
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Hey, thanks so much!
@@Retroatron love the structure of yur content you'll definitely be up there w. The greats soon keep it up
The poe guy from the valley should be a suspect.
I thought you were gonna say the Poe collector…
The masked Skull Kid. He was referring directly to the masked Skull Kid.
Furthermore, Gomess doesn’t wear a mask. The golden orb isn’t a soul, it’s a hint to use the Light Arrow, given that the icon for the arrows has the same shape and colour as the orb to link the two together.
I’ll be unsurprised if when comparing to the original Japanese text, that “Devil” was just a translator’s choice of word to try and dramatically encapture one that doesn’t exist or succinctly convey a Japanese term, like “yokai” etc.
how about the guy in the hood for the poe-killing mini game? He bought big poes (souls) in OoT... And he has a scythe too lol. Even moreso, the Poe soul from Flat and Sharp (royal family composers) in OoT is green and smiling, similar to Big Poes...
You have way too much time on your hands, my friend. Nice video, good job.
Haha, you're not wrong. Thanks!
3:46 bob from smg4
7:41, an attractive angel choosing evil?
personally i think its Ghirahim and probably some demons
That's an interesting proposal, I'd love to hear your reasoning on that. Thanks for watching!
@@Retroatron your welcome and the reason why i think this is because we don't know what really happened to ghirahim at the end of skyward sword just that his sword form disappeared it could be possible that a group of Sheikah (or they were assigned to it) found him or his sword form and transfer his and most likely other demons essences into the mask and test it to see it's usefulness to the royal family but failed so they either hid it or gave it to kingdom that had it in whatever the heck termina is or they took whatever and they all whatever happened to them and the sheikah group took it back and hid it again and given what majora said's and the mask he gives for the other which is like link in a lot of way's and the fact that fierce deity also fire's laser's from his sword why it's called the fierce deity it's most because of how ghirahim see's link after skyward sword because he see's demise as some type of god so only a god can kill him and due who know long alone he most likely even more crazy. And that's i think ghirahim is majora that i can remember sorry for the long post
@@Retroatron but i think razanak video on majora's helps proves it better beside where i got the whole thing from
@@TannerThePuppyGamer Ah man, I'm ashamed to admit I haven't actually beaten Skyward Sword yet, but this sounds like the start to a solid theory. As far as I know, though, Ghirahim is pretty childish and all over the place like Majora is, so that would make sense with your theory as well. Thanks for the response!
@@Retroatron your welcome and where are you at in skyward sword
Maybe the devil created Majora and Majora's Mask or maybe Majora is the devil in Termina.
Me i think that before Twilight princess it was midna don't judge me it's because is Mask eye look like the eye of majora's mask
The think probably the original Japanese did simply say he sold is soul to "Akuma," the devil. Japanese is just kinda like that sometimes.
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wait skyward sword doesnt mention devils at all?
including anything involving both demise AND beatrix
He acts more like a lich a undead person with the ability to raise the dead which makes some sense but not 100% he definitely raised some undead but souls are somewhat more conplicated Gomess would need a soul cage like the glowing orb to actually keep any soul and with his death then the magic keeping the undead among the living would have dissapeared or extremely weakened plus liches could just torment a ghost so much they would do anything for the lich
Demise?
Is the skull kid.
Don't make things confusing when there is not need to.
Isnt the poe collector more fitting of the profile though?
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