Dr. Schindler is brilliant and gives an exquisite presentation on the importance of Balthasar for our time. Anyone interested should check out his book 'Love and the Postmodern Predicament: Rediscovering the Real in Beauty, Goodness, and Truth. He expounds upon this presentation and then some.
A lot traditional Catholic art would be called "kitsch" these days. I think the problem at this cultural moment lies in the opposite of "kitsch". It's corrosive cynicism and irony.
inseparability of splendour and form - does that mean Balthazar, like de Lubac, thinks man's natural end is the same, indistinguisable, from his spiritual end? Right before VII the Pope condemned this in parrticular, as I understand. Humanae Generis
I don't think it's a question of one's own aesthetic taste, rather of coming to percieve/see/feel/apprehend the Beauty of God, which one discerns in all creation and which is revealed in Christ in absolute way. (Grace makes such spiritual vision/perception/apprehension possible.) Christ stands at the center of the drama of creation and redemption because it is in the 'form of Christ' that God's light/splendor/glory most abundantly shines - and through that beauty the goodness, truth, meaning of this existence are conveyed to us. We are to be purified by fire and by baptism into his death, that by grace we may share in Christ's life (his splendorous form) and so share in God's glory. Balthasar wants to lead us to gaze upon, to contemplate, to existentially enter into the 'form of Christ' as given in the Gospels and culminating in the Cross and Resurrection. To see the beauty of Christ's life, mission, sacrifice, and victory, is to see who God is - both the form/image that God takes in communication with us, and the radiant splendor that shines through that form/image. "But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit." 2 Cor 3:18
Hard to believe this was given at Steubenville. This is what one of my professors would call "spiritual glop-o-whip." But one shouldn't be surprised: Dr. Schindler is also an advocate for the Marxist Dorothy Day, who never met a Communist she didn't like; see dorothydayworker.blogspot.com
Balthasar lost his mind when he came up with we have a reasonable hope that all will be saved. Actually we have a great certainty that many will be damned. It’s a total insult to the Trinity to believe such a hope.
Of course it's not a heresy to hope that all will be saved. We literally pray it every decade of the rosary. "Lead all souls to heaven ESPECIALLY those most in need of your mercy." We are obviously allowed to hope that he will answer that prayer. Do you skip that line I guess?
@@patkershisnik5254 Whether hell exists and whether it is or will be empty of human souls are two completely different issues. Of course Hell exists and of courses there is very real and terrible suffering for those who reject God. The only question is whether that punishment is punitive or corrective. It could be that "He doesn't chasten but to amend."
There is more rejoicing in heaven over the lost sheep that is found than the many who stayed in the pen. God sends his Shepherd in search of all the lost, and descends even into Hell to do so. God clearly hopes for all to be saved - and will go to infinite lengths, to absolute lengths, to do so. Our hope for all to be saved is itself a grace from God, a theological virtue modeled on God's own hope. The Lord is the Judge, not us. To think we have certainty of who will be damned, or how many, is to judge where we are warned not to judge - lest we be judged in that measure. Only God searches and knows the motives of the heart. "Love one another just as I have loved you." Christ came not to condemn but to bring mercy and love. If there is any thread of condemnation in us, any shred of desire for someone else or some others to be damned, then I think we are far from Christ. In all humility, as mere human beings, I think we ought to work out our own salvation and aspire to love others as Christ did, meanwhile leaving the Judgment to Him.
Wrong. Name ONE heresy he promoted! Is Benedict XVI also a heretic to you? Seems like you call everyone a heretic whom you don't understand/disagree with. Remember that you once will have to give account for every single condemnation you make.
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Dr. Schindler is brilliant and gives an exquisite presentation on the importance of Balthasar for our time. Anyone interested should check out his book 'Love and the Postmodern Predicament: Rediscovering the Real in Beauty, Goodness, and Truth. He expounds upon this presentation and then some.
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Dr. Schindler is so clear in explaining such a central topic in Balthasar. The exposition of the Christmas Preface is breathtakingly profound.
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So interesting.
Outstanding presentation about an outstanding theologian.
Great insights
I think Love comes first.
What book would be the best introduction to the ideas D.C. Schindler is talking about here? They are all so expensive... thanks :)
The cloud of unknowing goes back to Sinai. .. I did enjoy your lecture. Thank you
It goes back to “in the beginning”
@@KizaWittaker Amen. True true
A lot traditional Catholic art would be called "kitsch" these days. I think the problem at this cultural moment lies in the opposite of "kitsch". It's corrosive cynicism and irony.
If some one looks at a piece of renaisance art and think it's kitsch that is problem with the person's sense of artistic taste. They have none
You forget about Orthodox icons. No shallow sentimentality in those pictures.
simultaneaty precludes faithfulness. it is cheap grace.
What is form and what is splendour. That is the question. Please help me, if you can.
would John of the Cross say rapture and perception are simultaneous? I don't think so.
inseparability of splendour and form - does that mean Balthazar, like de Lubac, thinks man's natural end is the same, indistinguisable, from his spiritual end? Right before VII the Pope condemned this in parrticular, as I understand. Humanae Generis
it does overcome the duality of God and the world, the soul and the flesh. That is the problem.
My hunch is Von Balthasar is Barth, that's the problem.
God is beyond my aesthetic taste. Von Balthazar is what Newman criticized as a morality of taste, "philosophical religion," to seem is to be.
I don't think it's a question of one's own aesthetic taste, rather of coming to percieve/see/feel/apprehend the Beauty of God, which one discerns in all creation and which is revealed in Christ in absolute way. (Grace makes such spiritual vision/perception/apprehension possible.)
Christ stands at the center of the drama of creation and redemption because it is in the 'form of Christ' that God's light/splendor/glory most abundantly shines - and through that beauty the goodness, truth, meaning of this existence are conveyed to us. We are to be purified by fire and by baptism into his death, that by grace we may share in Christ's life (his splendorous form) and so share in God's glory.
Balthasar wants to lead us to gaze upon, to contemplate, to existentially enter into the 'form of Christ' as given in the Gospels and culminating in the Cross and Resurrection. To see the beauty of Christ's life, mission, sacrifice, and victory, is to see who God is - both the form/image that God takes in communication with us, and the radiant splendor that shines through that form/image.
"But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit." 2 Cor 3:18
Hard to believe this was given at Steubenville. This is what one of my professors would call "spiritual glop-o-whip." But one shouldn't be surprised: Dr. Schindler is also an advocate for the Marxist Dorothy Day, who never met a Communist she didn't like; see dorothydayworker.blogspot.com
Balthasar lost his mind when he came up with we have a reasonable hope that all will be saved. Actually we have a great certainty that many will be damned. It’s a total insult to the Trinity to believe such a hope.
. . . He descended into Hell . . .
Of course it's not a heresy to hope that all will be saved. We literally pray it every decade of the rosary. "Lead all souls to heaven ESPECIALLY those most in need of your mercy." We are obviously allowed to hope that he will answer that prayer. Do you skip that line I guess?
@@patkershisnik5254 Whether hell exists and whether it is or will be empty of human souls are two completely different issues. Of course Hell exists and of courses there is very real and terrible suffering for those who reject God. The only question is whether that punishment is punitive or corrective. It could be that "He doesn't chasten but to amend."
I enjoy the discussion I heard him speak many times I could have punched Marshall Taylor's for his poor handling of the man's works it was so bad.
There is more rejoicing in heaven over the lost sheep that is found than the many who stayed in the pen. God sends his Shepherd in search of all the lost, and descends even into Hell to do so.
God clearly hopes for all to be saved - and will go to infinite lengths, to absolute lengths, to do so.
Our hope for all to be saved is itself a grace from God, a theological virtue modeled on God's own hope.
The Lord is the Judge, not us.
To think we have certainty of who will be damned, or how many, is to judge where we are warned not to judge - lest we be judged in that measure.
Only God searches and knows the motives of the heart.
"Love one another just as I have loved you."
Christ came not to condemn but to bring mercy and love.
If there is any thread of condemnation in us, any shred of desire for someone else or some others to be damned, then I think we are far from Christ.
In all humility, as mere human beings, I think we ought to work out our own salvation and aspire to love others as Christ did, meanwhile leaving the Judgment to Him.
How can you say that he was a great theologian? He was a heretic. As were the company that he kept.
Wrong. Name ONE heresy he promoted! Is Benedict XVI also a heretic to you? Seems like you call everyone a heretic whom you don't understand/disagree with. Remember that you once will have to give account for every single condemnation you make.
I wish he would have pursued concert pianist and left the theology to someone else