The proficiency stuff you left on screen is wrong... It stated str was bards main stat and that its a d12 hit dice... This is bard not barb lol please fix
I really love your vids a lot. You go in depth on these classes but your visuals are great! Whoever does your video edits is getting better and better. I look forward to seeing any new content you all make :D
@@Althaven_ I for one am serious as heck. I love getting into the crunchy details like that. If you guys just went through the spells alphabetically and talked about what they did, how effective you think they are, if it was worth taking or some other spell outclassed that one in particular. I would be so happy. I can't vouch for anyone else but you would have one guaranteed view from me at least. I'm old and never have a chance to play any more, so your kind of content is the closest thing I have to rolling dice with my friends, like when I was in school.
I'm currently going through the Hellknight Hill adventure as a goblin bard. I've gone with the Very Sneaky ancestry feat and Emancipated background from the campaign players guide, making me stealthy as a halfling hiding in half a shadow. I sneak around and play "Dueling Banjos" to Demoralize the enemy.
I just began running our groups first second edition game, and one of my three players is a goblin Bard named rickle pick. He uses the cowbell as his instrument.
@@Althaven_ No. He is an unbreakable goblin who took goblin lore at 1st. His background is prisoner: he and his family were slaves, and now his life goal is to bring joy and peace to others (even if he has to break the law sometimes to do it)
Yes. As Hein K has already pointed out, some of the stuff you showed on screen at 01:23 is wrong. Namely the Key Ability and Hit Points part. But it's easy to get Bard and Barb mixed up. ;)
First character for 2nd edition is a halfling bard working more or less as a pure spell caster using bagpipes to do all my spell casting. I ain't stealthy but it is amusing as hell.
Rock n Roll Bard: Rock (of course) Dwarf +con, +wis, +dex, -cha Ancestry Feat: Dwarven Weapon Familiarity (every rock bard needs his axe, amirite?) Background: Barkeep. Every rock n roll star needs to know his liquor, and how to hobknob with fans. +cha, +dex Polymath: because for you, the world is the grandest stage of all. Skills: Diplomacy, Occultism, Performance, Athletics, Society, Stealth, Alcohol Lore, and Musical Lore. Free boosts: +dex, +cha, +dex, +con Stats: STR 10 DEX 18 CON 14 INT 10 WIS 10 CHA 14 2nd level: take Multifarous Muse (Maestro), because the best rock anthems linger on, and rock ballads can soothe anyone's troubled heart. 2nd level skill feat: Fascinating Performance This isn't even close to an optimized build, but it's fun, and after level 10 boosts it's perfectly functional.
Hardcore Metal Bard Human Half-orc +CHA, +CON Ancestry feat: Orc Ferocity - Never say die! Background: Warrior +DEX, +CHA. Get that Intimidating Glare down! Bard (+CHA), Enigma (probably a death deity). Bardic Lore is cool, but this is more for the flavor of the unknown deity. Free Boosts: +CHA, +CON, +DEX, +INT Stats: STR 10, DEX 14, CON 14, INT 12, WIS 10, CHA 18 2nd lvl Class feat: multifarous muse (Maestro) for lingering performance 2nd level skill feat: again, Fascinating Performance
While I like the format and the commentary you gents are doing, I would love to see a little more highlighting of unique class feats and a little more summarization of the standard stuff like proficiency increases. For example: Barbarian gets as high master bla proficiency at bla level or whatever class gets only bla proficiency but maybe gets them at earlier levels (if that is a thing). Keep the videos up, I am very much looking forward to the fighter as it seems to be a much more interesting class than normal from what I had seen so far.
Also always looking forward to these now. I used to play Bards a lot, but think I'll pass for a while in 2E just because a lot of the other classes seem way better than before aka Ranger.
I never got to play this character, and it was going to need a lot of DM cooperation, but I had a half orc bard made up once. He had some demon ancestry and always had dreams in which he basically astral traveled into hell. He received visions of a great axe artifact which functions as a hellish guitar. Rather than using bardic performance to buff allies, he would de-buff enemies, and intimidate them. I also thought it would be cool if he was able to summon a demonic band at higher levels, but this was a heavy alteration of the bard class, also basically I was asking the DM for a technically powerful magic item from the beginning. This was almost a decade ago now.
Haven't written it yet, but I've had a half-goblin bard concept percolating in my brain for a couple months now, and yeah, definitely a musician of a non-so-delicate, rather experimental variety!
I recently began playing a bard. This is my first time playing a bard PC in any RPG. I'm loving it. I kept to the back and boosted my allies and provided some healing. Telekinetic Projectile was also helpful. I had a blast with the mechanics and narrative.
Could you guys make a build for a debuff-based bard? Vicious mockery might be a 5e exclusive but that ain't gonna stop me from making my enemies feel insecure.
I usually prefer Martial characters but Bard seems fun. I am very pleased to see that only Bards and Sorcerers are spontaneous casters, as it should be!
@@robinbernardinis nope only PF2, but im thinking of multi classing champion, so that i can wear heavy armor at lvl 2 and i can be a champion of the Metal Gods (melodeath is my preferred genre so prolly a chaotic neutral) so i'd probably homebrew some chaotic champion stuff (only good right now *snoozzzzze*)
Already, I want to play a Polymath Bard. Signature Spell is Summon Monster. Perfect Encore capstone. Basic setup just so you can Time Stop, then Summon Monster at 10th level with the second slot, and wreak even more havoc using the other 6 potential actions. The direction is the actor who uses some of his spell repitoire just for spells that make his life easier. Unseen Servant, Summon Monster, teleport and increased movement style spells, Mage Hand, and the like. If you remember at the beginning of the cartoon Disney Hercules, the messenger talking to Zeus and saying "I haven't seen this much love in one room since Narcissus discovered himself." Not quite that bad, but... Well, yeah. He's that bad. Lol.
I want to re-create Chuck (from the T.V. show) as a Bard. i think the level of knowledge it has access to would suit him. Either that or a Charlatan rogue. given that he's got to lie to a lot of people.
This is excellent!! Your videos are very informative and i csnt wait to see your wizard video for the new pathfinder system. Curious though, do you plan on doing videos for each school of magic?
I mean, we weren't untill you just mentioned it right now and I thought it was a good idea... I'm thinking a video about the traditions would probably be more useful first. What do you think?
Thats sounds like a great idea! Kind of pool it all together into one video. My only concern is the length of the video. But id still watch it regardless!
Hmmm... I do believe I would play a flouncy sensual female dancing and singing gnomish bard based on Sound of Music meets Dirty Dancing... Because I am weird in a spectacular way! =)
Don't see why not! Unless the campaign takes place in a setting where kazoos were never invented...in which case you actually should totally invent the kazoo
Can someone please help explain how this spell repertoire works with Bards. From the book page 96 that I could be a 20 level bard but only know 3 level 1 spells is that correct? because I get 2 at level one, then gain 1 aditional at level 2. THen once I hit level 3 I pick up 2 level 2 spells and I just stop picking up new level one spells???? am I reading this correctly ?
You forgot composition cantrip spells a very important subtype of Composition spells that do not cost you Focus points to use. Allowing you to use one a turn.
4:07 I absolutely fucking despise this design choice. Heightening spells in PF2 is the absolute worst. It's clunky, it doesn't make any sense thematically, and it's essentially the antithesis of fun gameplay-wise. It's definitely the one thing that will be house-ruled from day one in my games.
The way the paizo Devs explained it, which made it make perfect sense to me is that bards are know it alls that delve into secret knowledge (occult stuff) and that good bards face off against lovecraftian occult horrors like clerics face off against divine threats like demons and undead. It's a change in the lore but it just works for me.
The Bard is surprisingly like... not very fun or expressive to me? Like, I don't FEEL cool giving like bonuses compared to the inspiration of D&D 5E, which is weird because most PF2E classes I like more. In a weird way, the bardic inspiration dice would add a jank but fun swinginess and crit fishing feel in PF2E but instead we get rather wide but small bonuses.
I'm coming from 5e and I'm a little bit confused on how to interrupt a spell that had the concentrate trait. 5e requires a save anytime you take damage but that seems to not be the case here. Any clarification would help
"If the spell's duration is 'sustained', it lasts until the end of your next turn unless you is a Sustain a Spell action on that turn to extend the duration of that spell. " (pg 304). "If a spell is disrupted during the Sustain a Spell action, the spell immediately ends." (Pg 303). "Various actions and conditions, such as Attack of Opportunity, can disrupt an action... the GM decides what effects a distortion causes beyond simply negating the effect that would have occurred from the disrupted action." (Pg 462). I hope that helps.
@@linus4d1 that helps but I have 1 follow up question. Does the various attacks and conditions specifically say they disrupt the action. The AoO description on page 473 doesn't have any key text in the description. But I see in the paragraph below that if you crit it will disrupt the action. Seems like it is very difficult to break a spell that requires sustain in PF2. I'm not complaining, I haven't played it yet so this could be a really good thing. Just different.
@hardbushido not that I can tell. In several places pathfinder 2 has given power to the GM. I think this is one of those cases. Although it seems to imply that any action taken against the caster would be successful. Since only a few can perform AoO and Reaction actions are limited, I don't think this would be overpowered.
Ah the Bard. Not gonna like for almost all other fantasy games I just loathe bards. This is particularly aggravating with recent-era bards on other games where to me, the fact that you "sing" your way into fantastical magical effects just suspends my disbelief immediately: I buy Arcane sorcery dealing with cosmic forces, I buy that gods are real entities that can grant power and so on but I cannot possibly conceive that singing or dancing can create dimension doors or polymorph you that's just well, stupid. By making the mechanically small but mechanically immense choice of making the Bards dabblers of the occult, well that does change things: certainly explains why other classes might not delve into that source of power and I can certainly see the 18-19th century refined Gentleman that's of course verbose and properly cultured in the fine arts but also secretly delves into secrets from beyond the material realm humanoid kind was not meant to know....Now I am totally on board.
This is really not far beyond what other RPGs explicitly or implicitly are getting into that idea of forbidden lore. In DnD 5e (and I think 4e as well, but I'd have to dig out my other book) references the Words of Creation, the literal act of the gods speaking the world into being as the inspiration for their mystical songs. Pillars of Eternity has the Chanter, which is referred to as the most ancient discipline of magic, where the literal act of spinning a tale together from ancient phrases causes the universe to respond to the story. In our own culture, expert musicianship and acting can be called "spellbinding" or "transcendent", making someone believe they were really transported to another reality, the bardic fantasy is just taking that up to 11, like any Monk or Barbarian does with their ki or rage. I'm not really in love with the Occult idea Pathfinder 2e is putting down here, but it's not actually anything new. It just got a new coat of paint, which is sometimes all you need.
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...Ok. I prefer my bards with abs of steel anyways.
Yeah.... We screwed up
@@Althaven_ It's the Half Orc Metal Bard variant. His name is P'Der Steele... Crap, now I want to build it...
The proficiency stuff you left on screen is wrong... It stated str was bards main stat and that its a d12 hit dice... This is bard not barb lol please fix
Can't really fix it now. But I can pin your comment so people know.
It's the new bardbarian class
@@trafalgarla Gains instant rage class feature any time a negative critic review is seen.
POWERFUL BARD.
Damn, I was excited to see that and thought for a second that this was the heavy metal bard :D oh well.
I really love your vids a lot. You go in depth on these classes but your visuals are great! Whoever does your video edits is getting better and better. I look forward to seeing any new content you all make :D
So when do we get the every spell video? Please make this happen for me.
Feel free to discuss all of them too and make it seven hours long.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but we're seriously considering making a Saturday out of it.
@@Althaven_ I for one am serious as heck. I love getting into the crunchy details like that.
If you guys just went through the spells alphabetically and talked about what they did, how effective you think they are, if it was worth taking or some other spell outclassed that one in particular. I would be so happy. I can't vouch for anyone else but you would have one guaranteed view from me at least.
I'm old and never have a chance to play any more, so your kind of content is the closest thing I have to rolling dice with my friends, like when I was in school.
Tuning in from 500 ft over the deserts of Texas.
I'm currently going through the Hellknight Hill adventure as a goblin bard. I've gone with the Very Sneaky ancestry feat and Emancipated background from the campaign players guide, making me stealthy as a halfling hiding in half a shadow. I sneak around and play "Dueling Banjos" to Demoralize the enemy.
I just began running our groups first second edition game, and one of my three players is a goblin Bard named rickle pick. He uses the cowbell as his instrument.
Oh gosh! Please tell me they picked the goblin heritage where they sing and distract people! Lol
@@Althaven_ No. He is an unbreakable goblin who took goblin lore at 1st. His background is prisoner: he and his family were slaves, and now his life goal is to bring joy and peace to others (even if he has to break the law sometimes to do it)
Well I hope that bard took remove disease. Cause I head someone has a fever....
and the only prescription... is MORE COWBELL!
Yes. As Hein K has already pointed out, some of the stuff you showed on screen at 01:23 is wrong. Namely the Key Ability and Hit Points part. But it's easy to get Bard and Barb mixed up. ;)
First character for 2nd edition is a halfling bard working more or less as a pure spell caster using bagpipes to do all my spell casting. I ain't stealthy but it is amusing as hell.
could you guys do a 2e pathfinder magic video? would like to see your thoughts on it. currently not sure what to make of it.
Played a dwarven battle (metal music) bard in 3.5 he was pretty killer. In the parties ‘home’ town one of the taverns stored his kettle drums for him.
Was he like the guy who slams the kettle in Slipknot's Duality music video?
Luke Cash haven’t seen that video so not sure
Dude, check out the kettle guy. He's hilarious. It's the dude slamming a beer keg with a baseball bat. Iruclips.net/video/6fVE8kSM43I/видео.html
Rock n Roll Bard:
Rock (of course) Dwarf
+con, +wis, +dex, -cha
Ancestry Feat: Dwarven Weapon Familiarity (every rock bard needs his axe, amirite?)
Background: Barkeep. Every rock n roll star needs to know his liquor, and how to hobknob with fans. +cha, +dex
Polymath: because for you, the world is the grandest stage of all.
Skills: Diplomacy, Occultism, Performance, Athletics, Society, Stealth, Alcohol Lore, and Musical Lore.
Free boosts: +dex, +cha, +dex, +con
Stats: STR 10 DEX 18 CON 14 INT 10 WIS 10 CHA 14
2nd level: take Multifarous Muse (Maestro), because the best rock anthems linger on, and rock ballads can soothe anyone's troubled heart.
2nd level skill feat: Fascinating Performance
This isn't even close to an optimized build, but it's fun, and after level 10 boosts it's perfectly functional.
Hardcore Metal Bard
Human Half-orc +CHA, +CON
Ancestry feat: Orc Ferocity - Never say die!
Background: Warrior +DEX, +CHA. Get that Intimidating Glare down!
Bard (+CHA), Enigma (probably a death deity). Bardic Lore is cool, but this is more for the flavor of the unknown deity.
Free Boosts: +CHA, +CON, +DEX, +INT
Stats: STR 10, DEX 14, CON 14, INT 12, WIS 10, CHA 18
2nd lvl Class feat: multifarous muse (Maestro) for lingering performance
2nd level skill feat: again, Fascinating Performance
While I like the format and the commentary you gents are doing, I would love to see a little more highlighting of unique class feats and a little more summarization of the standard stuff like proficiency increases. For example: Barbarian gets as high master bla proficiency at bla level or whatever class gets only bla proficiency but maybe gets them at earlier levels (if that is a thing). Keep the videos up, I am very much looking forward to the fighter as it seems to be a much more interesting class than normal from what I had seen so far.
I've been playing a goblin bard for a few months now. I'm really enjoying it. Great support class.
The heightening restriction is brutal. I wasn’t really planning on making a bard but now I’m definitely not making one.
Also always looking forward to these now. I used to play Bards a lot, but think I'll pass for a while in 2E just because a lot of the other classes seem way better than before aka Ranger.
I never got to play this character, and it was going to need a lot of DM cooperation, but I had a half orc bard made up once. He had some demon ancestry and always had dreams in which he basically astral traveled into hell. He received visions of a great axe artifact which functions as a hellish guitar. Rather than using bardic performance to buff allies, he would de-buff enemies, and intimidate them. I also thought it would be cool if he was able to summon a demonic band at higher levels, but this was a heavy alteration of the bard class, also basically I was asking the DM for a technically powerful magic item from the beginning.
This was almost a decade ago now.
Haven't written it yet, but I've had a half-goblin bard concept percolating in my brain for a couple months now, and yeah, definitely a musician of a non-so-delicate, rather experimental variety!
I recently began playing a bard. This is my first time playing a bard PC in any RPG. I'm loving it. I kept to the back and boosted my allies and provided some healing. Telekinetic Projectile was also helpful. I had a blast with the mechanics and narrative.
Could you guys make a build for a debuff-based bard? Vicious mockery might be a 5e exclusive but that ain't gonna stop me from making my enemies feel insecure.
I usually prefer Martial characters but Bard seems fun.
I am very pleased to see that only Bards and Sorcerers are spontaneous casters, as it should be!
Yaaaaas!!! I'm a metal bard
🎸🤘🏼🧝🏽♀️🤘🏼🎸
In Pathfinder2e, I find that remembering the phrase, "some classes have spell slots, others have slotted spells," is helpful.
That's actually a really good mnemonic device! Can we steal this for the magic episode? :)
@@Althaven_ I'm sorry I didn't see the reply, but yes! Feel free to use it!
oh no, now i need to make a heavy metal dwarf bard.... Thanks for the great idea \m/
If you're playing PF1 I think a Skald is better for this concept.
@@robinbernardinis nope only PF2, but im thinking of multi classing champion, so that i can wear heavy armor at lvl 2 and i can be a champion of the Metal Gods (melodeath is my preferred genre so prolly a chaotic neutral) so i'd probably homebrew some chaotic champion stuff (only good right now *snoozzzzze*)
@@spawnofheck Well, you can always be chaotic good.
Already, I want to play a Polymath Bard. Signature Spell is Summon Monster. Perfect Encore capstone. Basic setup just so you can Time Stop, then Summon Monster at 10th level with the second slot, and wreak even more havoc using the other 6 potential actions.
The direction is the actor who uses some of his spell repitoire just for spells that make his life easier. Unseen Servant, Summon Monster, teleport and increased movement style spells, Mage Hand, and the like.
If you remember at the beginning of the cartoon Disney Hercules, the messenger talking to Zeus and saying "I haven't seen this much love in one room since Narcissus discovered himself." Not quite that bad, but... Well, yeah. He's that bad. Lol.
Goblin Bard Entertainer. Pretty much the distraction/support role.
I love the Cthulhu shirt!
Indigo has a ton of them!
I want to re-create Chuck (from the T.V. show) as a Bard. i think the level of knowledge it has access to would suit him. Either that or a Charlatan rogue. given that he's got to lie to a lot of people.
me, playing bard: perform (interprative dance)
Dnd 5e bard or path 2e bard?
This is excellent!! Your videos are very informative and i csnt wait to see your wizard video for the new pathfinder system. Curious though, do you plan on doing videos for each school of magic?
I mean, we weren't untill you just mentioned it right now and I thought it was a good idea...
I'm thinking a video about the traditions would probably be more useful first. What do you think?
You know what, maybe traditions and schools in one video...lol
Thats sounds like a great idea! Kind of pool it all together into one video. My only concern is the length of the video. But id still watch it regardless!
We'll see how it goes! We're getting pretty good at telling how long a video will be based on the show notes. :)
I had a 3.5 Chain Dirge Heavy Metal Bard.
Hmmm... I do believe I would play a flouncy sensual female dancing and singing gnomish bard based on Sound of Music meets Dirty Dancing... Because I am weird in a spectacular way! =)
Did you guys ever get that fly?
Nope, it actually kicked us out and is now writing this comment.
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Lol those typos in Teleport Book description >_>
Live streaming....where?
Court of Corvids will be Livestreaming on the Queuetimes' twitch channel. Twitch.tv/queuetimes
Was that little bard melody at the start actually the Bard's Song by Blind Guardian?
is this ok to make a gobelin bard with a kazoo ? just asking for a friend of mine
Don't see why not! Unless the campaign takes place in a setting where kazoos were never invented...in which case you actually should totally invent the kazoo
@@Althaven_ i mean, with enought in craft skill, this could work :p how annoying i will be for me friends XD
Can someone please help explain how this spell repertoire works with Bards. From the book page 96 that I could be a 20 level bard but only know 3 level 1 spells is that correct? because I get 2 at level one, then gain 1 aditional at level 2. THen once I hit level 3 I pick up 2 level 2 spells and I just stop picking up new level one spells???? am I reading this correctly ?
Yup! :)
@@Althaven_ Well I guess I just found my first, out of many house rules when it comes to Pathfinder 2nd edition.
Count me in if you need a third for reading the whole damn spell list
Omg, lol. Yes. Convince Indigo during CoC!
Not to be that guy, but what's a viligent sense
You forgot composition cantrip spells a very important subtype of Composition spells that do not cost you Focus points to use. Allowing you to use one a turn.
I do have a character like that but in 3.5
His name is Jesús María (for the irony) and he does black metal with corpse paint
I've played a gestalt champion bard as a worshiper of shelyn
4:07 I absolutely fucking despise this design choice. Heightening spells in PF2 is the absolute worst. It's clunky, it doesn't make any sense thematically, and it's essentially the antithesis of fun gameplay-wise. It's definitely the one thing that will be house-ruled from day one in my games.
Bard is the best class change my mind.
Why do you say that?
Having a character who can crack jokes or make parodies of songs for a mechanical porpose just really speaks to me as a player
I want to like bards, but I can't quite see the connection between music and occultism.
AnCap Dawg may I present to you “Satanic panic from the 80’s”?, okay I know bad joke.
The way the paizo Devs explained it, which made it make perfect sense to me is that bards are know it alls that delve into secret knowledge (occult stuff) and that good bards face off against lovecraftian occult horrors like clerics face off against divine threats like demons and undead. It's a change in the lore but it just works for me.
I'm sad that wizard seems to be the last class you'll make a video on since it looks like you're going by alphabetical order.
Still waiting for spell video
What do you mean?
QueueTimes you guys said you were going to do a video going over spells. Did you do this and I missed it?
@@brantchurchill7415 you mean like this one? ruclips.net/video/R8TzSCJZ80w/видео.html
QueueTimes this is spellcasting, which is great! Although missing rituals. But u talked about going through the spells themselves.
Ooohhhh!!! Sorry I misunderstood. No not yet
One of my best friends online handle is heavymetal bard lol
mMy bard doesn;t play music. My bard is a dancer. Uses magic to make some sweet JPOP and anime's her enemies to death
The Bard is surprisingly like... not very fun or expressive to me? Like, I don't FEEL cool giving like bonuses compared to the inspiration of D&D 5E, which is weird because most PF2E classes I like more.
In a weird way, the bardic inspiration dice would add a jank but fun swinginess and crit fishing feel in PF2E but instead we get rather wide but small bonuses.
I'm coming from 5e and I'm a little bit confused on how to interrupt a spell that had the concentrate trait. 5e requires a save anytime you take damage but that seems to not be the case here. Any clarification would help
"If the spell's duration is 'sustained', it lasts until the end of your next turn unless you is a Sustain a Spell action on that turn to extend the duration of that spell. " (pg 304). "If a spell is disrupted during the Sustain a Spell action, the spell immediately ends." (Pg 303). "Various actions and conditions, such as Attack of Opportunity, can disrupt an action... the GM decides what effects a distortion causes beyond simply negating the effect that would have occurred from the disrupted action." (Pg 462). I hope that helps.
@@linus4d1 that helps but I have 1 follow up question. Does the various attacks and conditions specifically say they disrupt the action. The AoO description on page 473 doesn't have any key text in the description. But I see in the paragraph below that if you crit it will disrupt the action. Seems like it is very difficult to break a spell that requires sustain in PF2. I'm not complaining, I haven't played it yet so this could be a really good thing. Just different.
@hardbushido not that I can tell. In several places pathfinder 2 has given power to the GM. I think this is one of those cases. Although it seems to imply that any action taken against the caster would be successful. Since only a few can perform AoO and Reaction actions are limited, I don't think this would be overpowered.
Bard spell list is occult? Im gonna buy the book now
4 categories of spells now: arcane, primal, occult, divine
Do it!
Ah the Bard. Not gonna like for almost all other fantasy games I just loathe bards. This is particularly aggravating with recent-era bards on other games where to me, the fact that you "sing" your way into fantastical magical effects just suspends my disbelief immediately: I buy Arcane sorcery dealing with cosmic forces, I buy that gods are real entities that can grant power and so on but I cannot possibly conceive that singing or dancing can create dimension doors or polymorph you that's just well, stupid.
By making the mechanically small but mechanically immense choice of making the Bards dabblers of the occult, well that does change things: certainly explains why other classes might not delve into that source of power and I can certainly see the 18-19th century refined Gentleman that's of course verbose and properly cultured in the fine arts but also secretly delves into secrets from beyond the material realm humanoid kind was not meant to know....Now I am totally on board.
This is really not far beyond what other RPGs explicitly or implicitly are getting into that idea of forbidden lore. In DnD 5e (and I think 4e as well, but I'd have to dig out my other book) references the Words of Creation, the literal act of the gods speaking the world into being as the inspiration for their mystical songs. Pillars of Eternity has the Chanter, which is referred to as the most ancient discipline of magic, where the literal act of spinning a tale together from ancient phrases causes the universe to respond to the story. In our own culture, expert musicianship and acting can be called "spellbinding" or "transcendent", making someone believe they were really transported to another reality, the bardic fantasy is just taking that up to 11, like any Monk or Barbarian does with their ki or rage. I'm not really in love with the Occult idea Pathfinder 2e is putting down here, but it's not actually anything new. It just got a new coat of paint, which is sometimes all you need.
Bards are useless compard to a cleric or mainline characters. They are ok, but support.