Thank you, Mauler, for looking into the accurate meaning of the 'I am become death' quote. I've heard people using that one wrong my whole life and it's irked me quite a bit.
Mauler’s 2 track theory makes too much sense not to be true, except for the arm cutting scene. The problem is that if the explanation is that Caleb was programmed to perceive the event that way, then any character in any story could theoretically be an AI. Otherwise, it would be some amazing writing that’s led the audience to fail the Turing test
If there's a sequel to this i'd like it to cut back to him realising he isn't dying and how he deals with that realisation he was made. Wanna see he how goes about trying to stop Ava (In whatever they choose to have her do in the sequel, they have a plethora of scenarios that could be really interesting to see if the script is written well.)
After hearing this theory, it seems obvious to me that the actual Turing test is between the audience and Caleb . That's why it is so obfuscated by the movie, they're trying to see if you as the viewer can tell that Caleb isn't a human being
I don't know if I'm convinced that MauLer is correct with his theory. Just becase that scene where Caleb cuts open his own arm is so deliberately put in there. MauLer thinks that makes it an option for being blatant for the purpose of misdirection, but I think it's a direct message to the audience by the writer: "I bet you all thought he might be a robot - well he's not; we're not doing this again." That's also why I think it's not nearly as impressive as MauLer thinks it is - it's so incredibly obvious and it's been done in every Turing test/"AI becomes self-aware" style story. In Blade Runner there is the idea that Deckard is a replicant, you mentioned Soma already,... there is a whole bunch of stories that have that twist. Still, I may rewatch the movie to see if I can see the perspective where it makes sense to discount Donald Gleeson cutting himself open as a hallucination or as him having a superior synthetic flesh and blood body.
This is why I kiss my toaster goodnight
You actually never see calib sleep in the entire movie. He's always awake. When he sees them together in black and white, he's in the shower.
This was also my first Oscar Isaac movie
1st viewing years ago: Robussy making Caleb act unwise
2nd viewing after after 20min of the podcast: mind blown
Great episode lads 👍
Thank you, Mauler, for looking into the accurate meaning of the 'I am become death' quote. I've heard people using that one wrong my whole life and it's irked me quite a bit.
what did they think it meant ? I translated it as I am death the bringer of doom
"Deus Ex Machina is subjective."
-Bilbo Baggins
Love This movie, interesting, kind of creepy..great discussion as always
"oh God with are live please,say..words" Lol 😀
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Welp, massive Soma spoiler I guess. Boy, would've been nice being warned of that beforehand.
Unfortunate. But for what it's worth, you find that out pretty early in the game. There are bigger spoilers you could have gotten.
I didn't like how Nathan died, I felt like he would've fought a lot harder to not *die* by very slow stabbing.
There are many thoughts he'd have at that point, + when you're stabbed in the back and the knife is taken out, you want to minimize movement.
Mauler’s 2 track theory makes too much sense not to be true, except for the arm cutting scene. The problem is that if the explanation is that Caleb was programmed to perceive the event that way, then any character in any story could theoretically be an AI. Otherwise, it would be some amazing writing that’s led the audience to fail the Turing test
Does this movie have anything to do with me? I feel curiously depressed.
If there's a sequel to this i'd like it to cut back to him realising he isn't dying and how he deals with that realisation he was made. Wanna see he how goes about trying to stop Ava (In whatever they choose to have her do in the sequel, they have a plethora of scenarios that could be really interesting to see if the script is written well.)
After hearing this theory, it seems obvious to me that the actual Turing test is between the audience and Caleb . That's why it is so obfuscated by the movie, they're trying to see if you as the viewer can tell that Caleb isn't a human being
I don't know if I'm convinced that MauLer is correct with his theory. Just becase that scene where Caleb cuts open his own arm is so deliberately put in there. MauLer thinks that makes it an option for being blatant for the purpose of misdirection, but I think it's a direct message to the audience by the writer: "I bet you all thought he might be a robot - well he's not; we're not doing this again." That's also why I think it's not nearly as impressive as MauLer thinks it is - it's so incredibly obvious and it's been done in every Turing test/"AI becomes self-aware" style story. In Blade Runner there is the idea that Deckard is a replicant, you mentioned Soma already,... there is a whole bunch of stories that have that twist.
Still, I may rewatch the movie to see if I can see the perspective where it makes sense to discount Donald Gleeson cutting himself open as a hallucination or as him having a superior synthetic flesh and blood body.
This is also for the algorithm.
Nicer.
This is for the algorithm.
Nice.
Can someone give me the time stamp where mauler talks about the Oppenheimer quote?
1:05 ish, I think Mauler is misremembering the translations though. There are a lot of competing interpretations of the text.
Caleb-ration?
Eva-luation?
eh? eh?
eh indeed
Oscar Isaac dance scene is BEST rat
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so if she gets assaulted in the city she's done and people discover that thinking machines are real
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How it connects to what? "I am Mother"?
I think I'm trying to figure out that as well for some reason I thought he said "Iron mother".
Well, better late than never but “I Am Mother” is a Netflix movie about a post-apocalyptic robot that takes care of the last surviving human on earth.
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