Sexuality and Gender Identity Ft Chris Muriithi - Ep 91
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- We'll be the first to admit that we don't always have the answers to everything, but we want to learn, so we had Chris Muriithi ( They/Them) over to talk about a conversation that is as important to us as it should be to you.
Sit with us as we explore the nuances of sexuality and gender identity and what it means to us as individuals, friends, sisters, mothers, and members of society because, at the end of the day, all we want to do is lead with love❤️
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Very informative conversation. The part that stood out for me was Chris highlighting how people who are part of the LGBTQ+ community are denied medical care, fired from jobs, etc. Whenever any conversation is had on this topic, people are usually focused on romantic relationships. Nobody talks about how LGBTQ+ people are being denied basic things that other people have access to. If there is a follow-up, it would be good to have a legal expert discuss the real-life implications of laws like the ones now in Uganda. Some of the penalties in that law include life imprisonment or a death sentence. For example, if these laws are being enacted in African countries, in enforcing them, does this give the government license to spy on the private lives of citizens? In Kenya, where the law criminalises being gay/queer, when someone is denied medical care or fired from their job or harassed what are the real life impacts of these acts on them and their family? If the law criminalises who you are as a person, how do you fight back when some basic rights that other citizens have are taken away?
I just want to also add a perspective about gender neutral pronouns. They are not that strange or unfamiliar to us. In fact, if you speak Swahili or literally any other Bantu language, you use gender neutral pronouns everyday to refer to people in third person. Just think about it. We don't have he/him or she/her in Swahili, everyone is referred to us as they/them. This is the case for many African languages too.
The reason it feels so weird in English is because it is a much more gendered language. Many European languages are really gender focused (think of the french who gender even inanimate objects). And because many of speak English regularly and think in English when we do so, we struggle with gender neutral pronouns when speaking in English.
Additionally, language shapes how we think. Our colonizers actually the ones who brought the idea of thinking about gender as a fixed binary, and their language (English) reinforces that in the way it requires you refer to people or even describe people. So just remember that next you get frustrated with having to use gender neutral pronouns: you've already been doing it just not in English.
Wow, this is so eye opening. Literally have never thought of it this way..
Never thought of it that way but it is so true
Somebody pin this reply..... immediately
It's not our colonisers who brought gender,it's God.He made male and female..only.
From the very beginning of time, humans have existed in either males or females. It has never confused anybody. The colonisers that you quote also existed in male or female categories. The word gender was coined by a guy called John Money in the 1960's. The word gender did not exist before then. Scientists who conducted followed up on on research conducted by John Money differed with him and found his conclusions tk be wrong. The concept of nonbinary does not exist. There are only 2 categories of sex, male and female.
This is such a timely and enlightening conversation. I'm from Uganda and our Parliament just tabled a harsh bill that threatens the livelihoods of gay people. Here there's even no community. Just a marginalized population that lives in constant fear. It's just sad that anyone would think that someone in their right mind would CHOOSE to be hated. I wish we could just choose to love each other as human beings. How different the world would be if we denounced Hate and Chose Love!
P.S - The bill also punishes allies so just by writing this puts me at risk. But as Lydia said - To be silent is to take a stand too. P
Free will is the most precious gift we have as humans in this planet. Whatever choices people make about their lives , I want to know did they choose from a well informed place ,or did they naturally gravitate towards that direction. Bottom line they made the choice freely and anyone else involved in the choice are they aware and consenting. Also how is anyone's choice affecting other human beings. Don't hate because you do not understand.
Live and let live.
So true👏🏽
Wow....what a respectful conversation!!! I honestly didn't know what to expect. No awkward vibes, just curious people wanting to understand that side of life without any biases or judgement
When Chris explained sex and gender identity now I got it ....never have I ever understood the whole conversation about Lg.....I love the clarity in this Convo ❤
She barely touched the subject from a factual point. Based on her argument, sex is fluid courtesy of the gender ideology. Do you own research on sex and the origin of the word gender before you buy the dillusion being served in this conversation.
I love that this conversation was non controversial and most importantly non confrontational.I have always NOT listened to such conversations because they are often shouting matches!I feel like I have understood a lot about the queer community in just one sitting.
This is the best interview i have ever heard in Kenya as far as LGBTQQIA+(lesbians,gays,bisexual,transgender,questionning,queer,intersex,asexual and + or non defined) is concerned.It is full of information.I like how the TMI are open minded.I also like how Chris Njeri brings in what seems hard to understand so easy.The LGBTQQIA+ are not a threat to the society. They/them are normal and natural people who are trying to co-exist.Lots of love to TMI,Chris and the LGBTQQIA+ in general.
I like how Christ is being true and authentic...I know how it's hard for someone here outside to come out because of the harsh environment!! I really enjoyed the convo and I would like to have more of these convo to let people feel free with who the are 🎉
I agree that all Queer people should be treated fairly and equally, particularly under the law. Also, I am against hate towards the Queer community. However, I think that there should be room and acceptance for people who want to express their religious/spiritual beliefs. For instance, when I say “homosexuality is a sin” because that is what I believe as a Christian, then I should not be shamed or cancelled or bullied. As Chris said, let’s all learn to peacefully coexist
Gender dysphoria is one of the hardest things someone can go through but with proper help it is possible to overcome and accept who you are. Everyone knows someone who they grew up with who was either a girl that liked playing with boys or a boy that liked playing with girls, they related well with the opposite gender but still knew what sex they were. This whole gender identity issues is something that has been made up to destroy the foundations of life itself, you cannot decide what sex or gender you are, feelings and perceptions cannot be the basis for gender, you are either a male or female. Once we start making gender unlimited then we run the risk of creating a society that doesn't stand for anything. The whole LGBTQ+ in my opinion is completely hogwash, a movement that seeks to destroy the family unit, what stops me from coming up and saying that since I was born I have always found myself sexually attracted to animals and so my gender is Animalistic and I should be allowed to marry a cow or goat and my feelings should be respected and I should not be hated. It sounds insane but that's exactly what this activists are pushing for, a society where your feelings become law and your sexual orientation is based on personal opinions rather than scientific facts.
This was a conversation and a half. Those things considered as taboo jus bcoz we know nothing about it. Considered as wale watu. Until it happens to you, to your sister, to your friend, to your kid. This needs to be talked about. Very very informative. I loved every bit of it. I love Chris so much. ❤️❤️❤️
Chris is one of the most authentic humans I have seen. Lydia and Murugi you are great interviewers. No bias. No leading questions. This a genuine conversation. So refreshing to watch. I hope this helps with eradicating the ignorance around this topic.
Lydia's eyeshadow on point you have married the entire look together.
Thank you ♥️
It's what I actually 1st noticed! It's so dope!!100%
Fantastic conversation! I learned a lot and love that Chris spoke about hyper sexualization of the queer community. As a Ugandan, I have noticed that many Ugandans immediately think about men having anal sex when they hear anything about LGBTQ+. Some have even started associating it with child sexual abuse. I think this makes homophobia worse because our countries are already conservative, even with heterosexual sex. I’m not sure how to reverse the homophobia in Uganda because it’s pretty bad but I think conversations that are not all sexual would help. Just like this conversation. Thank you all!
This was long overdue. I loved every part of this!! Chris is such an eloquent speaker. Thanks guys
I loved how both Lyd and Murugi were walking on eggshells because it gave all of us a space to learn. I also appreciate that Chris was open to school us as they did because there is a lot of stuff they said that needed to be said.
Also, the hypersexualization around the community is bordering harassment imo. I cant imagine having to sit through in almost every conversation defending or discussing my sexuality... too much
Definitely championing for a part 2...definitely an ally❤
Lol how pathetic..this conversations have no place in our society let alone in this world such rubbish
I love the point on not sexualising the community and the bottom line is that we are all human. I feel the community really needs to work on that. It's good enough to let children know families comes in more ways now but we do not need kids exposed to oversexualised performances in the name of 'educating' the children about the community. Sex education is important when done constructively.
I believe we need some sort of rules in life. That’s why we have a constitution otherwise we’d be in anarchy. Religion and society as a whole can act as that constitution and just bcoz we disagree with some of the things doesn’t mean now we need a whole new system of never ending changes. I however don’t support hate or discrimination against people who just wanna live their life. I’m not an ally neither am I am an enemy. I appreciate people like Chris who come with educative mindset and not aggression coz all I’ve gotten out of this episode is respect their ways of life and not “ you must change everything you know about life bcoz it’s wrong and we’re right” attitude that I feel the rest of the community may portray.
Kwanza christians wueh and being judgemental ... we should all be open minded
Chris is very knowledgeable and a fluent speaker....makes me feel I understand LGBTQ Community better. Thank you Chris and you need to do more such interviews to open up some of our minds on understanding what we don't about this Community.
To the hosts of this show, thank you for getting this involved because majority choose to keep this topic off their charts...staying on the safe side it's called. 😊
I'm sorry,I come in peace. My prayer is may we all see everything through God's lenses so that we will not call evil good and good evil. God loves you and so do I.
That is fair if you are religious. Not everyone is religious though and most queer people will tell you that their harshest critics and bullies are the religious. Just live and let live. We can all co-exist, but nobody needs to impose their beliefs on the other. We don't even need to agree..just be civil and respectful to each other.
@@betty541 what you're saying will be so questioned here in the USA. I'm amazed because hapa LGBTQ are members of the church...in your view trying to tell her it's coz she's religious, assumes LGBTQ can't be religious? But can they? Do they in parts of the world outside Kenya and can they be?...I hope you can see how we can quickly be based while calling out others.
From what I can gather off your reply, you are in the USA. I've been abroad too..but for some reason the west, to an extent, seems more tolerant to the queer people. In Kenya, if you go to a church and announce you are queer, they will either try to 'deliver' you of your demons, or just outright kick you out. Churches here even condemn and ostracise single mothers..wacha hata lgbtq+. I get that there are queer people who are religious but believe me..they are NOT welcome in any church here unless they declare they want to change. So, I will stand by my initial statement: the religious are the biggest bullies and critics of the gay people here in Kenya. They treat them like garbage and they say that they will rot in hell, all the while preaching 'love'.
@@salomekamau5380 I actually think religious people force queer people out just coz they are uncomfortable. It has nothing to do with God.
@@shiqskiarie7647 Yes..i agree. It's that whole controlling the masses through fear thing. Also, the religious tend to pick and choose what sin to condemn...yet as far as I can tell from the Bible at least, all sins are equal. Someone said that there is no hate like christian love and I see exactly what they mean. The hypocrisy is just mind-boggling to me.
Interesting conversation. It would have been great to discuss the erasure of women as a consequence of elements of the trans movement. Shouldn’t trans be trans (like previous generations) not insist they are women, to the detriment of women (their safety, their achievements)?
This is a very big problem currently. It's like the trans women want to erase the biological women completely. Insisting on taking part in women sports knowing very well a male body has great advantage over the female body, also ascribing certain terms to women like 'pregnant people' or 'chest feeders'. They want us to stop calling ourselves women. Then there's the whole Dylan Mulvaney fiasco.
Y’all really said ALLY today and I love it 😭
As a queer person, these are the conversations I don’t mind having with cis-het people bc you’re intentions are pure. I’m more than happy to explain things to people who are willing to learn bc I know we’re not taught about any of this. I hope more cis-het people can have respectful conversations like this.
Does this mean that anyone with different views is not respectful?
@@Okanto15 not when your “different views” are bigoted. People have a right to disengage with you if they feel like your views are dehumanizing to them.
@Flower Akaliza first of all, there is no such right. That is just someone not willing to engage in a meaningful conversation.
Secondly, we could use an example: if I say that there are only two categories of sex, males and females. Is this science, bigotry or dehumanising? Explain your answer.
@@flowerpower250 Exactly...Or hateful, discriminatory, disrespectful and outright condescending. Those who are willing to be empathetic enough to learn can be engaged with. Otherwise it's an exercise in futility. We can all co-exist on this large earth, but we do not all have to agree or even like each other. To each his/her own..live and let live is my philosophy.
@@Okanto15 I can tell you asked that question in bad faith so I won't answer it. Even if I explained things througly, your inability to think critically and overcome your confirmation bias wouldn't allow you to understand anything I say. Engaging with you is futile because all you're looking for is an opportunity to share your unorignal bigoted ideas. This can't be a meaningful conversation because there is nothing new you are adding to the conversation. Everything you have said and will say are well known homophobic and transphobic talking points.
So tell me, would you participate in conversation with someone like that? Knowing that you are adding perspective and dimension to the conversation and all they have to offer is bigoted talking points they swallowed and are now regurgitating?? I don't think you would.
You are not entitled to a conversation. You are not entitled to the intellectual labor of queer people. I don't have to say anything other than that to you. Kindly ch*ke on that if you'd like ☺
Hey TMI,,, I've just subscribed to your channel because you're open to any form of conversation without hate. Looking forward to these types of convos
In the western world there are two very eloquent voices for and against lgbtq. I think a balanced discussion would be needed to give the audience varying informed point of views on this issue of sexuality and gender.
Are we going to pretend we didn't see the bombastic side eye at 19.40ish when Chris said they are an inbetweener!!
I feel schooled man! And the fact that this was done none judgementally. And in a fun way, by a loving duo is just the it for me!! And for Chris deciding to grace us with knowledge and allow us into their space is just lovely!!
I love love being a queen betweener.
Her|Sue|she. 💕 "Asushi"
I had to replay that part😅
Thank you for your kind words
She has explained it so calmly but maybe part 2 can include a behavioural psychologist to try expound if her choice was influenced by her childhood trauma.
I could be wrong but I think Chris said they knew they were queer from a young age and that it is not a choice..that queer people are born as such. I have also not heard them talk of any trauma in their (younger) life.
this idea that queer people choose and that it’s based on trauma is homophobic
@@betty541she did an interview about that ... she has a trauma .... just check her interview with grace msalame
This is really the only channel that handles this conversation without their personal bias....I'm just wowed!
Would they be willing to host anyone with different views and not call it hate?
I am always in love with the fact that this is a NON JUDGEMENTAL space
It really is❤️
And you two are really open minded doing this ... we love you
This was thoughtful, informative and inclusive.. The importance of having an open mind and willingness to learn cannot be overstated, and I’m so glad this conversation happened!
Where would we be without TMI? Let's be honest. I am further educated today. Chris was the best person to handle this topic for sure.
It's how Lydia and Murugi smiled after Chris said they are an inbetweener for me😍 Lovely conversation!
When we stand to speak against sexism we must also speak up against homophobia. Discrimination should be fought on both fronts! Great episode!
Exactly!👏🏽
First of all, homophobia implies a type of phobia which refers to fear. No one fears homosexuals. As a matter of fact, alot of Kenyans know their science and facts. They know that there are only 2 categories of sex, male and female. They also recognise that no amount of feelings can ever change your sex. So is this science or 'homophobia'?
@@Okanto15 the word homophobia has two meanings the first one you said fear. However in most cases it implies hate or prejudice
Then the issue of sex and gender as proven by research is that it's a spectrum it's not binary
@@Okanto15 intersex
For your information, intersex form only 0.018% of the human population. Yet still, majority of them fall either under male or female based on their chromosomal make up despite the general deformity. Example: the fact that a child can be born with 6 fingers in one hand does not negate the fact that human beings have 5 fingers per hand. Its just an abnormality. So the fact that someone is born with 2 genitals does not mean that human beings are not males and females only. It's just an abnormality, not a different sex.
We have been dying for this conversation.FINALLY!!! Also Chris is a such a schnaaaaaack 🤤🥵
Lolol I can see how it’s definitely a lot of pressure for Chris to be the lgbtqia+ spokesperson in Kenya. It’s great to see this conversation happening!!! Wish it was longer. I will say one slight clarification gender identity typically doesn’t really have to do with your attraction. It’s more of how you identify and whether that aligns with your biological sex. Sexual orientation has more to do with attraction.
Been following different episodes about this conversation(sexuality and Gender identity)and this so far wins👏
I love how Makena Enlightened us 🤍
Good Job Joey and Lyd 😊❤️👏
Thank you so much!
Its Chris not Makena😊
Not me forgetting the name immediately 😂😭
apologies
I just hope that people will stop using religion to rebuke anyone religion should spread love and we are not the one to judge anyone let us all lead with love ❤️
love how this babes are open-minded ❤
Murugi asking all the right questions
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She really is! I love her questions!
Great conversation, answered so many questions in my head. We have to respect and appreciate our differences. This is Sexual Renaissance. Rebirth of celebrating sexual identity.
If you start identifying as a cat today, should I respect that difference? I hold the opinion that we should respect and appreciate the truth instead.
These are conversations we need to keep having because they help us learn and understand so much ❤
So true
About teaching our children to eat vagina
I don't agree with this conversation myself
Same
We don't care😅
I respectfully disagree. Good conversation though. Y'all looking so beautiful today.
Me too😭uwii.I'm watching but I'm scared I'm about triggered. N I respectfully disagree with them.
I respectfully disagree too. Thank God I wasn't triggered. Insightful conversation though.
With all the love in the word I equally disagree
It’s okay. We commend your approach to this❤️
Nice conversation but I respectful desagree , looking beautiful today
loved this episode ladies.definitely educative.Chris continue living your truth and life with no apologies.let's spread unconditional love and acceptance to everyone regardless of their gender identity,sexual orientation,race or ethnicity
Thank you for your kind words ❤️
brought here by Lydia's conversation on Lynn Ngugi Show, this is beautiful conversation. It is well explained.Thanks for holding the interview
We honestly do deserve a part two .Loved this episode loads😍🥰
For a wholesome and balanced conversation, it would great if they have a panel with different views. Otherwise this platform comes across as a platform to further a particular agendum.
I like how murugi mentioned that if people should be allowed to do anything they want coz of how they feel and how logical is it? The example of the lady who felt she was disabled and decided to chop parts of her body coz she felt like she was disabled?. is it right to base your identity on feelings alone ?.
Good conversation. Chris is super impressive with her intelligence and eloquence! Loved listening.
It woulda been so nice for Chris to be let to answer some questions more fully without the interruptions/cut offs..like when you asked about the pronouns ( around minute 18) the full response from THEM would have been so beneficial....
I really love the point on hyper sexualization of queers!! I always wonder why that is what a lot of the community members start with!! In the same way, I don't start my conversations with "I sleep with a man," that shouldn't be what the queer peeps open their conversations with!!
I, however, draw the line at propagating these conversations to our kids in schools. Age appropriate-ness of the conversations maaaahn!
In the same breath of respecting and understanding their space and opinions, I hope that as part of this TMI podcast community, we can be allowed to respectfully disagree, and that can be understood too.
Walisema usiwache paragraph nothing serious,just drop a banana comment
This has been insightful. Chris is such a good educator. We need to have another episode on the same.
She's a good educator on lgbtiq+ issues. This is different from facts and science.
Point of correction when Chris talks about attraction - that's sexual orientation. An enduring attraction to a person of the same or another gender.
While gender identity is a personal sense of self, whether that is man, woman, neither or both.
Noooo way😂😂I’m the first one here
Absolutely loved every minute of this conversation. And especially the comparison between womens rights and the challenges of the LGBTQIA + community. It certainly gives African women more understanding and empathy. However, what about African men? Especially the African men who sit at the top of the African patriarchy. Men in the west might understand racism and therefore have some empathy. But im always wondering about what point of reference African men can have so that they arrive at more empathy for the queer community. Thoughts?
Unpopular opinion: As a heterosexual woman, I take offense to the term “cisgender” woman. If the community doesn’t want labels ascribed to them, then please don’t turn around and do the same thing to me. I support a person being whoever they feel they are but all I am is a woman. I don’t need “cis” attached to something I am naturally.
I totally agree with you. I'm a woman not a cis woman.
@@dreamboat2403 Actually this is incorrect. Cisgender is not a biological term. It was made up in 1994 by a journalist who was seeking a way to differentiate between transgender people and women. Again, if a person is more comfortable with being called he/she/them/they/it/hey you or whatever that’s their business. I’m a woman. And that’s what I am comfortable being called. I am not comfortable being called cisgender. That should be respected just as much as someone who identifies differently than they were born. We don’t need to reinvent the wheel. *edited to add: Try google searching cisgender origin for a better description of the term’s origin
💯. Dnt call me CIS Gender woman. I am simply a woman. I have been researching and reading alot on transgenderism and I think it's too much especially the many pronouns and the fact that anyone can identify as anything. Interestingly Jefferie Star and other renowned members of the community are also saying it's too much. Teaching kids these things is also very disturbing.
The term cis is relatively new and has no biological basis. That said, if I'm a man, call me man....if a woman, call me woman ... Why this makes me angry is that if someone will insist I use confusing pronouns to address them, then reciprocate the favour and address me as I would like to be addressed. It is people like Dylan Mulvaney, Jeffrey Marsh and the popular LGBT folks who make it soooooo hard to be allies.... Because that aggression is extra. This is a nice conversation and viewpoint in this video, which I am ingesting with a pinch of salt. 👍🚶
@@LolaBugzy85 actually Jeffrey Star thinks the movement is taking a wrong turn. He dresses loudly but he does not force anyone to call him additional pronouns. Ebu go check out Jeffrey Marsh, now that chap makes my skin crawl. It's no hate, but he issss.... Wah!
Chris is bold, beautiful,informative and mature. I love that they can boldly speak out for themself and the queer community. Everyone should feel comfortable to live as they wish and do so in a safe environment. Kenyans must and should learn to be tolerant of people that are different and embrace inclusivity for the queer community.
Exactly 💯 ... some of us are queer but living under😢
If Chris decided to have a podcast🔥🔥She is iconic
Transgenderism remains a wholly incoherent worldview. One in which people confuse gender itself with gender roles and norms. One in which they insist others are incorrect in using terms like "man" or "woman" while being unable to provide objective, workable definitions for these terms themselves. And one in which they even frequently equate disagreement with hate, which is not only illogical but dangerous.
How do we navigate the conversation of women and men not wanting to be called CIS or Biological women or men? And the thought that the word woman or man should only be reserved to men and women and not men who feel like women and have changed their anatomy to look like women and vice versa? I believe this is another point bringing a lot of conflict
loving this conversation so much...let people be who they are 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
😊 thank you
Felt Represented. Awesome talk👏
Thank you!
I HAVE IMPATIENTLY BEEN WAITING FOR THIS EPISODE 🌬️
Alot to learn here , Chris is such a great EDUCATOR, grace and Empathy.💞💞💞
I would love to see TMI hosting a very macho, manly gay guy that they would have been attracted to themselves just to get that perspective coz truth is men like these end up marrying women and having families without no one ever suspecting anything coz they aren't queer presenting
Are masculine gay men generally as open discussing their sexuality in a forum like this? If they’re marrying women and no one suspects it may be because they don’t want anyone to. Just a thought. Interesting topic but may be harder to find
@@SeeShells79 Hi, yes...there are very masculine guys who are very openly comfortable in their sexuality...many hide by trying to be womanizers, marrying women or even some resort to extreme cases of polygamy just to prove a point to society and/or their subconscious. I just want one of these rare men to come out for an interview to see just how ladies can get duped coz psychologically, the biggest gays will usually be those who are very homophobic or obsess about homosexual matters....infact,thats how you can spot them...a real straight man will just distance himself from such matters as much as possible coz they really dont concern him in any way...a man claiming to be straight but all the time is talking about homosexual matters and being very homophobic even when its unsolicited then put a biiig question mark on that guy...he is experiencing internalized homophobia and so his mind is hurting and homophobia is a projection of that hurt to try and feel good about themselves.
I guess this speaks to the dangers of homophobia in general. While I do not condone duping straight people into relationships while one is gay, I think as long as gay people are not allowed to exist, then some will find ways to lead a 'normal' life as defined by society. And one of the things society expects is for folk to get married to the opposite sex.
@@betty541 well said. It's a whole societal issue. Cause if your existence is denied, you'll find an identity and go with it. I am bi, very straight presenting and I'll tell you for free, there are like 30 queer top politicians you will not beleive are queer cause they are married and all and some are even publicly "homophobic". It's crazy out here.
I hope Chris will see this and answer as to how she understands or feels about it. I have a very good work colleague (she is only 21)who recently opened up to me that she is in the process of Transitioning to become a man. Isn’t this going against nature because like you have clearly stated you are neither hence the pronouns (They, Them). For my colleague all the hormones to change nature. Trust me, l do ask her a lot of questions. (She calls me one of the best none judgmental Christian she has ever met) I do talk about my love for God and church a lot . Not in any way to change who she is or who is she will become.l do love God so much,the obstacles he has made me overcome are too many and in him l find peace.And l suppose my none judgemental persona. I believe in Love, spreading Love. Leaving Judging to God.But my opinion is why change nature (hormone replacements). I was listening so attentively and l don’t believe you spoke about this. As always TMI to the world, the discussions here are very necessary. I think what Lydia wanted to say is by Desmond Tutu, if you are Neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the Oppressor.
We believe differently and it's about our programming I believe that despite being born man or female everyone has a chance to create our own reality u call him God I call him source and I'm an extension of the source so we are co-creators so transitioning to a man or woman I don't see it as a sin as many refers a sin as a wrong act aganist God I see a sin as doing wrong to another person or u yourself that's why u say when u see another person u see God so if u ain't in wrong with them and u are happy then go for it
Hey Carol most of the youth here in the states who changed their hormones are now wanting to go back to being who they once were.. please advice her to really think about it.. my friend is an MA working with doctors ... she is seeing the youth want to go back and it's sometimes too late. She has to be so sure... the meds mess with your system and takes a while to sink in and it can cos confusion if she has no enough knowledge.
@@joyjeptoo6453 yea let her research and think twice about it though her question was being born female and u want to transition to man is it not a sin
I would advise her to see a counselor but unfortunately I do not know of any that is an expert in transgender issues. Maybe the hosts can advise? But being binary/non-binary I think is different from being trans. Trans is feeling that one is in the wrong body and wanting to change it. As always, I am open to being more educated about it.
@@betty541 It's good she gets to make an informed decision and know the effects and Impact and time it takes to deal with change of hormones plus expectations,recovery..yes she would need counseling..it's very vital
I have been quite judgemental towards this community but this conversation has been an eye opener.
Thank you 🙏🏾
Listen EVERYDAY WE LEAAAARN … this was a great and informative episode looove to hear and learn 😊😊😊
First of........ you bring Chris and the episode is this short 😪 nooooooo not fair.
Second, Murugi your lap🤗 Keni and Tana are obviously the most comfortable and luckiest when resting there.
Love you all❣
We deserve a part two🥲
Very important conversation and long overdue for sure. " It is next to impossible to think that you can wipe out a generation of queer folks"
Respectfully disagreeing her;
The gender binary is a fact of life. Substantiated scientifically and physically since the dawn of humanity. The word gender is synonymous with sex, gender was more typically used in American English in place of sex (m/f) to distinguish it from the act of sex. Gender roles and expectations are socially constructed. We've always said, boys can like pink and girls can like playing with cars and trucks. There was a time in history when pink was considered the color for boys and blue for girls.
It is possible for a woman not to identify with societal expectations of how she should behave, what she should wear, what she should be good at, and so on, but she is still a woman. The spectrum can (and should) exist within the gender binary, and should be as broad as there are humans on earth.
Gender identity is what you want to conform to while sex is biological/anatomy of a person, sexual orientation is based on feelings #chris
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I see myself in Lydia she's everything i wanna be in life❤
Awww, thank you 😊
I get very confused with the discussions on gender identity. I think non-binary do not identify as male or female. And then transgender, do not internally feel like the sex/gender that they were assigned at birth. However, even based with the new identity that one “chooses” - the sex chromosomes do not change (XY - male; XX - female) . And according to doctors, it is important to tell the doctor the sex/gender at birth (including intersex) because the path of treatment, based on the disease, is sometimes guided by either one is male or female. So what happens then?
Hey sisters! Loving the episode, you forgot to add the links to the description.
Such an amazing and edifying conversation. Super grateful for you guys for facilitating this. Truly we need to sprinkle lots of kindness to each other 😊❤🙏🏾
❤ I have become an addict of tmi podcast
same whatsapp group😂
Wednesdays are my best💚
Lydia's dress so pretty
I love Jo's hair ,what hair is it?
natural locs or gypsy locs ,I want them but not bale to distinguish them at the beauty shops
I will never understand why anyone has to justify their identity to others except to themselves. What does someone’s identity and/or choices have to do with how we all move? Peoples discomfort, opinion, judgment blah . . . are only projections not fact nor are they rules to live by and the person needs to recognise it as a ‘you’ problem! Also, weaponising organised religion, picking out what suits your argument and what you think makes you right (completely out of context) is 💩 FYI, I have met a lot more lovely, helpful, genuine queer folk than I have christian ones! Why are people so much more invested in making other people’s lives so bloody difficult? What’s the pay off? It’s fkn outrageous. This community is not hurting anyone, direct our favor and energy to gender based violence (of which this community has had unspeakable atrocities), hunger, the economic crisis, corrupt govts, BEING A BETTER HUMAN BEING (who minds his/her/they/them/she/he/‘s business) etc. There’s so much for people to work on, just go back to your business and deal with what’s on your damn plate! I AM 💯 AN ALLY🎉
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A much needed conversation.....beautifully spoken ...amazing episode as usual
Thank you!
1. The host kept on saying thay they are allies to the community and they do not want hate. This implies that anyone with different views is considered hateful by the platform. This makes the platform a space to further particular agenda and gag others. You ought to be neutral or, at the very least, allow balanced views on the platform for the benefit of the viewers.
2. It's very naive to jump right in support of an issue as vacuous as gender fluidity. If you sought the truth in your platform, you should have let the guest know that she is a woman for these reasons: she has xx chromoses; she is of the nature to conceive and bear children naturally; she has female genitalia etc. The term gender was coincidence in the 1960's by a rogue scientist called John Money and it was nonexistent before then.
3. There are only 2 categories of sex since time in memorial, male and female. The concent of nonbinary does not exist. This is the truth that your platform is conveniently avoiding to share. It might cost you views, likes and fans. But the trust cannot be changed just to make people feel better about their gender dysphoria and other conditions that people go through.
Louder please
There is gender and sexual orientation .... gender is man and woman.... sexual orientation is where you are attracted to .... not to opposites always
First one here. This will be a riveting conversation I am sure 🫰🏾🫰🏾
Wow!!!!
This is informative 👏 👌
I'm honestly learning and appreciating everyone's decisions/choices of pronoun use.
This is it!!!!!!
Chris❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤. It's the poise ,composure and intelligence.
I live for conversations like this.
Thank you ❤️
Coz love is love is love is love❣️all Any Human being wants at the core is to be loved and accepted.
i think i have been an ally who has always wanted to stand up and support the community but i did not know how, but listening to this conversation it has fed me and given me the right gears on how to do that
To really accept ourselves in all of our ways ❤❤. TMI you are impacting the world truly with your beautiful conversations. 😊
Thank you 🙏🏾
Oh my goodness
This is so informative 👏
I can't stop laughing when murugi mentioned about normal people identifying as disabled persons or as animals.
That's lowkey dark humor
As funny as it sounds, that is happening. Courtesy of transgenderism, some children are beginning to identify as cats in school and they can't speak and the teacher is not supposed to do anything about it because it will be considered as against the child's "human rights". The whole idea that gender is a social construct and a spectrum in based on John Money's research in the 1960's. Before this the term gender did not even exist. The issue with this is that that child who identifies as a cat is not a cat. That person who identifies as disabled is not disabled. So why expect other people to refer to that child as a cat when it is not true?? This is just common sense, no hate as at all.
I am attracted to Chris’ brains. Too much self awareness 🙌
I wish people would have these conversations and learn instead of being judge Judy.
Living and letting live = peaceful life. Hating on people is just unnecessary baggage.
These people who look at people like Chris and be like "bado huwa ananyesha" irritate me so much. Being a woman is so much more than menstruating.
Peace comes from knowing that you are living fully in your truth. That’s what we learnt❤️
Hmmm I just don't agree with this topic on so many levels. However, I choose to be respectful of other people's decisions
Very insightful conversation definitely. It's awesome that the conversation was well balanced kudos to TMI this time around the guest was given enough time to speak you didn't seem to over shadow them😊
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The political thing is so true, and it's everywhere, like in the US the government wants to "eradicate" Trans people which is so disturbing to me, people have the right to express whom there are, I love you guys so much..keep on keeping on😍😍😍😍😍
Beautiful interview, very informative..thank you for taking the time to put this out ❤️🏳️🌈
Have you guys noticed how in sync murugi and lyd are from 31:19 to 31:29
OMG yessss😭😭even the hair flip 😂
Lyd and Murugi are such great interviewers! Clearly researched, no bias, no leading questions…
Would they be willing to allow someone with different views on the platform? Or will that be categories as "hate"? The answer to this explains the presence/absence of biase.
@@Okanto15 bias. noun. bi·as ˈbī-əs. : a personal and often unreasoned judgment for or against one side in a dispute
The only side here is human. Leave the rest to Christ the greatest judge🫶🏽
@ZZIAH if someone identifies as a cat, is that human to you? It's about truth versus lies.
FYI, you don't want to go the religious way.
@@Okanto15 😂😂😂😂it’s not that deep for me😂😂😂everyone can do whatever they want as long as they’re not harming anyone…you just set boundaries in situations that don’t work for you and let people be what they wanna be😂 thassit👏
@@thebasementchild_ I like your philosophy. Very healthy and respectful. Live and let live.
Best thing I've watched this year, I have learnt a loooot from this.👏🥰🏳️🌈
Have been waiting for this ep 🎉🎉
A very fun and important conversation. I’m glad I came along it.
3:57 when Murugi asked, "Is that where it's reached now?" I felt you babe. I felt you. We've really gone too far.
We understand that there are many nuances to this conversation, all that we ask is that we all lead with love
@TMI Podcast KE absolutely.