6:50 "Not a convert, not a revert, just a muslim." "There is an idealisation of a white convert, which I want no part of". What a beautiful woman, what beautiful words.
Yes a Revert. Her statements of Liberal beliefs in Shariah. Openly and clearly reject Hijab, says the rules and brotherhood Islam by Shariah is "Patriarchy" - buddy pls stfu.
i think it's ok to use the word convert tho, i don't see anything wrong with it, if anything it shows they're not following a religion blindly just because they're born into it, and it shows other non muslims that there are ppl converting and that might get them interested to know about islam out of curiosity or encourage them and get them out of their comfort zone to do their own research instead of believing what they believe just because they're told and taught to believe it
@@bugsbunny6869 , He is doing for the mnoney, And it takes 16 years for him wat he is not unstanding.. Why do you guys look at Conversion of people who go from Christian to Muslim. Surely there is something wrong with faith worthy of bible that people do not believe in but search Quran and convert to Muslim I hope you will look at this link then you will have your answer right away regarding Quran/ Muslims and Bible/ Christians This lady is revert in Muslim despite her father and mother running church. She knows the bible better than you. ruclips.net/video/3ew9Ic-tICI/видео.html
@@bugsbunny6869 The problem is that bible has been changed so many times by a man of his own choice and Pope keeps changing it then it is no longer credible. Biggest problem is the trinity. Is Jesus a god or a messenger. If he is god why does he pray to his father in heaven. You are never going to win this discussion. Just look at your own scientific research. Quran that has not changed for 1400 years. ruclips.net/user/ThereIsNoClashvideos
I am newly converted to Islam, I'm Italian, half black half white, my husband is british and he is with Pakistani background. I just want to say, as a complete outsider to many of the topics in this conversation, I say that I don't want to get into this nonsense mess created by humans ego and false understanding of the world. I don't want relate injustice, racism and ignorance with Islam. I see Islam as the most rightful religion / philosophy. All those topics and things being said really put me off. I don't want to be there. Thank you. keep up your good job.
One more thing. This is probably the wrong programme to be used as research for yourself. This particular video has a premeditated agenda. That's not to say its not genuine. 😊 But if you throw your net wide and invest some time into the vast subject that is Islam then I'm sure you'll come up with an outcome that is suitable for you. 😊
@@karlmuudfirstly dont reseach about sufis lern basic islam first until your akidah became strong enoug after that can reseach about tasawwuh because sufi hight level who lern tasawwuh but if you wrong fint teacher you can see example of sigh people they guru firstly are a good sufis a hight level iman but after people under him false understand what he teac because of that came 1 more religion islam+hindu=wrongly. If want to lern tasawwuh much fint a true teacher not to lern by self like read in book only, who are good in tasawwuh they level iman allways a hight level they did not see world so much only for they can live and simple but they akhirat are they firstly
@@karlmuud there are no "isms" in islam... stop making things more difficult than it needs to be... learn the basics, the fundamentals i.e the creed (akidah) and tawheed (oneness of God) according to evidences (Quran and authentic hadiths).. learn the islam of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) only. Simple.
@gc6497 some of the topics of this conversation is bizarre to say the least... the negative 1% experiences from a random muslim telling you to disown your family bcoz they are evil? get married right away? All the research and intellect to become muslim doesn't just suddenly disappear to then accepting everything blindly (without evidence) from a random someone.. Muslims are humans, and humans are flawed... what matters is what islam (Quran & prophet) says... but Alhamdulillah they recognized Islam
36:30 This is spot on. This is what initially drove me out of Islam; the focus on the external over the internal. I found my way back after my own extensive research.
assalaamu alaykum may allaah make things easy for you. regularly make duaa and ask for allaahs aid. duaa such as : يا مقلب القلوب، ثبت قلبي على دينك yaa muqallib al quloob thabbit qalbee alaa deeniq.
oh turner of the hearts,keep my heart firm on your deen
Anyone who leaves Islam only leaves because of emotional reasons, and not logical reasons. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO LEAVE ISLAM UNDER LOGICAL REASONING. Even God challenges mankind on this matter!.
I left the “community” but still talk to God about my struggles. My own personal experience of the Pakistani demographic was horrific. I have honestly never felt so lonely in my life. Leaving was like a weight lifted from my soul
@@BillyBob-xw8kf The beauty of Islam is that it's a direct relationship between you and your Creator. I've learned not to let people who profess to be Muslim effect my view of Islam. Sorry about your experience.
Mashallah I'm blown away by sister Miriam example of the sheikh and his student. I once posted a comment about miram when I saw her without s hijab. May Allah forgive my short commings and me being judgemental.
We are so sorry that sister miriam feels that born muslims sometimes become a burden of judgemental zealots. She is absaloutely right that every muslim has their own journey into islam and they have their own connection with Allah swt. May Allah swt make your journey easy and a prosperous one and he shower his infinite blessings on miriam and all the ppl who choose islam as the way of life!
Maryam has very important and valid observations. Beautyfully articulated. The so called born muslims must listen and feel sorry for their stupid behaviors
The example of sheikh hamzah bought tears to my eyes I can just feel the pain of sister Miriam frustration. I am so so sorry as a born muslims we have not done justice to our brothers and sister's who became muslims. May Allah swt forgive us!
we have not done justice to others and ourselves, we are lacking and need to do better, that's why reverts who found out about Islam later on even though they weren't born around it get so many benefits. that's also why we Muslims who became Muslim after the prophet's passing also gain more benefits for the things we do than Muslims at the time of the prophet.
Muhammad copied books of Bible and made Quran. He married many to help them. He killed many as they were bad. So he added polygamy and jihad and made Quran. You will get many women on earth and in heaven. Beware in the last days many logical men will make many to fall. Pray nonstop till you know God Jesus is the only way truth and life
I realize with this discussion that NEW believers, especially womens, have to cross the desert twice to live their faith, first with their family and then with their new community. May God protect them.
I couldn’t recognise sister Maryam on this video. I saw her several times in Regent’s Park mosque with hijab on. I would like to thank her for sharing her experiences. I hope our born Muslim brothers can learn something valuable from this video.
@@swaliulhaque8125 I criticize IMAMs,KSA and basically anyone with a beard and big belly,feel they are hypocrits. Remember all of us will answer only for our deeds in the end.
It looks like we all in slandering business. We deal evil with good. Allah is the most merciful. Allah is the most forgiving. We all commit sins and sometime deviate from the true path. So it’s Allah who guides us to the right path. May Allah guide her and all of us to the straight path, the path of the pious predecessors.
This discussion brings to light so many issues in the Muslim community that I feel like I could write a whole book about it. The bottom line is that in Britain the Muslim community should be led by well educated British Muslims who’re familiar with local culture. Kudos to Myriam and Ismael for giving us a lot of food for thought.
Great discussion . No matter whether you are born into the faith or find it later we all have to make a conscious decision to embrace it ourselves , in that sense were all reverts.
Wow what a lovely conversation. So much to learn for all Muslim Community, specially as a born Muslim towards other Muslims. The Best we can do as a born Muslim just pray and support each other instead of pointing others. May Allah Bless all Ummah and forgive us.
Jazakallah khairan for this stream, it so so insightful and very much needed of real life in having real conversations. I find Islam is perfect, unfortunately there is a lot of ignorance in the Muslim Communities that is alien to what Islam actually is. Muslims need to actually learn about the deen correctly with wisdom. The world has changed so much but the mentally has remained cultural tribal and post colonialism of very ridged thinking. May Allah protect us and guide us upon the straight path. Ameen.
Masha Allah sister! May Allah protect you!❤️🤲 Islam is a true religion.Islam religion of peace.Islam is the only religion that teaches love and humanity.❤️❤️❤️
Many of the principles in Islam that teach love and humanity come from Judaism. However, Islam changed many good Jewish teachings, such as the law against marrying the wife of your adopted son.
Im a bit...confused. I havent seen Myriam Francois Cerrah in ...i want to say 4 years, and she seems _really_ differently. I dont just mean the makeup etc and no headscarf; her accent is _very_ different. It's gone from a fairly posh middleclass accent to a working class London accent, and it's really noticeable. Whats that all about? Sorry to not be commenting on the substance of the actual discussion, it just really threw me.
100% correct analysis, would be really interested to understand the psychoanalysis behind the change of behavior. She always seemed too good to be true
@historypoliticsbb I know other highly intelligent women who don’t find Islam restrictive in any sense. How does dressing modestly have any bearing on your intelligence? I respect your opinion but for me her change shows that she missed flaunting her beauty and aesthetically pleasing good looks. Maybe when she converted she didn’t take the time to understand why the headscarf is important and just went straight into it and she has come to find it oppressive. But anyone who truly understands the meaning of the headscarf won’t give it up. What’s the use of multiple phds if you can’t understand a concept of modesty? Please don’t mistake me, I don’t intend to be harsh to her, she’s my sister in Islam and I love her for the sake of God. She’s on her own journey and I’m on mine. And I pray God almighty forgives all our shortcomings and grants us a big reward
@historypoliticsbb what a diabolical and vitriolic statement u made, an assumption by observing the outer apparel of a woman?! That itself shows the lack of intellectuality and ignorance. There were numerous pious muslim women who were equally intelligent and contributed to science education and almost every field. You know Fatima bint Muhammad Al-Fihriya Al-Qurashiya , she was the first in the world to establish a university.
Assalamo Alaikum sister love you from India and REQUESTING all ummah to do Dawah works continue world wide and Build Islamic Schools to create more and more Zakir Naik and Ahmed Deedats like Islamic preachers to explain Islam betters to non muslims and muslims as well. May Allah Bless and protect you and make Dawah works easy for all Ameen
Habluminallah, Habluminannas. I love the discussion. Even in Indonesia it happened, My friend from school think I am secular. I believe in monogamy while my friend is ok with polygamy. The good thing he is still in monogamy state. He think because i had studied abroad, I become more liberal😊 and my friend is really a smart person. So I remind him about Al Hujurat : 11.
ASA I lived in KSA for 3 years.. I am saddened by these stories..it was the best time of my life..... I ignored any strange people...made it personal and spiritual for me...I urge you to all go and make it personal...ignore the gov..make that connection with Allah SWT... let HIM be your host...I did it...just do it..dont not let politics or Iblees stop you...
Assalamualaykum to you all. Some very interesting comments: 1) Hajj: my farther told me a story about his 1st Hajj in the 1960's and the inequalities then, surprised that it continues to this day. 2) Prisons: when Imams visit prisons I believe they don't intend to be backwards in propagating tenants of Islam. They work on what they know and believe. They may see things in "Black & White" where we don't, that doesn't make them wrong. Generalising Imams isn't the way I'd say but to take each case individually and on its own merits. 3) Imams: Imams who can't even speak English properly were somewhat degraded by one of the panelist. I don't totally agree with her. I've found that when I've engaged in deep conversations with them that they hold a vast array of knowledge, clearly this knowledge isn't being tapped into (remember, most of them are highly qualified from foreign institutions). Its their employer who dictates how broadly they teach. I agree that todays needs are those who can address the audience and connect with them properly. I believe Blanket Stereotyping Imams whom cannot speak English properly (Indian subcontinent accents, or other small shortfalls) is a tad reckless. Because most Imams can convey their intended message properly. Again, I'd say "take each and every case individually" I think you'll find what you're talking about is in the minority. As to types of Imams we need? Well, they need to apply for the position. Are they being unfairly rejected? 4) The Muffin man: When there's a ripened fruit on a tree, every fruit loving critter wants it. "Shaking the tree to see if the fruit falls" So a 60 Yr old man proposed, what's the big deal. I'd be chuffed. You placed yourself in that position, had you not then he wouldn't have been able to propose. There's plenty of older men with much younger women & vice verse, no big deal. I think you felt deflated that "I am such and such.... how dare he propose" You won't be able to stop men from proposing to women (regardless of age difference), unless you carry a sing (like Mr Bean) on your back saying "No to marriage proposals" 5) Islam in itself doesn't need any form of "amendments or reform" Islam is Islam, its timeless. I think what you guys were driving at is the need to propagate "Pure Islam" in a society where instrumental changes are occurring so fluidly thats its hard to keep up. Society is fluid, its changing all the time, especially in none Muslim country. Challenging to say the least. Take each case individually and work on it, e.g work with a specific Masjid and/or Imam (prison visit). Explain what you feel their shortfalls are..... and how they effect the community, take it from there. In my comments above, I have no intention of hurting anyones feelings or lowering their image. I enjoy constructive dialogue and not being attacked.
I cannot agree with you about the 'Muffin Man'. Marriage is a serious long-term commitment, and I think someone who is in a position of authority over someone else should not exploit that authority by offering marriage without any warning. You can find many cases where such behaviour has led to abuse. If there was a prior romantic agreement between the two, then fine. But François was under this man's protection, because she needed money and a house. He overstepped his authority.
This is the reason why Islam is called as arrogant egotistical supremacistic religion that's infested with misogynists and perverts. You and the muffin man are best examples.
MASHALLAH LOVE YOU RESPECT YOU All, ALLHAMDULILLAH we born MUSLIM.,Butt You're very much Better than Us YOU are Speacial human beings ALLAH Bless you All, AMEEN
Very good discussion. Always find out what Islams says, not what a muslim says. Since all muslim groups have a culture attached to them, they will try to blend their culture with Islam and present it as Islam to the other people. So one has to be smart enough to distiguish between culture and Islam.
That is true brother and remember the companion that went to the prophet Muhammad SAW and oh prophet of Allah, I just kissed a woman that is not rightful for men what should I do’ and the prophet didn’t yell at him and his advice was so immense that he just asked did you pray with us as the man was feeling very sad as it is a grave sin but his prayers were already cleansing his actions already and we need to learn from them everyone makes a mistake.
Alhamdulillah, we are all Muslim, that we should be categorizing in any form convert or revert. great discussion. May Allah guide us we are one community that is Muslim
I don't know. It could just be that since Islam is not a dominant religion in Europe, it may be more fascinating to see a European convert. Or it could be that since Christianity is still historically associated with Western culture, it may feel like a 'victory' to achieve a European convert from Christianity to Islam.
Any disagreement about Islamic jurisprudence must be on evident of Al-Quran and Sahih Hadith. Sometime disagreement occur because it is a matter of language translation, literal reading, varied historical events etc. The best we as Muslim/Muslimah can do is read what Islamic scholar of jurisprudence say and their evident to support their views. Whichever we think is most closest to Al Quran and Sunnah we follow that because at the end of the day, we will be judge by our own capability and indeed Allah is the Most Knowing and Most Forgiving. Here is some of what scholars had discussed in the past. According to the opinion of the majority of scholars, wearing the niqab (face veil) is a custom and not part of religion or adornment. This is based on the fact that the entire body of a Muslim woman is 'awrah (those parts of the body that must not be exposed before non-mahrams) except for her face and hands. This is the established opinion of the Hanafi, Maliki and Shafi'i schools of jurisprudence, the sound opinion of Imam Ahmed ibn Hanbal and the opinion maintained by his students, and the opinion of al-Awza'i and Abu Thawr. Previous proponents of this opinion include 'Umar, Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with them), 'Ata`, 'Ikrima, Sa'id Ibn Jubair, Abu al-Sha'tha`, al-Dahhaq, Ibrahim al-Nakh'i and many others from among the mujtahids (scholars who are competent to exercise independent reasoning) from among our predecessors. They based their opinion on the hadith of 'A`isha, the mother of Believers (may Allah be pleased with her) who narrated that when Asmaa` Bint Abu Bakr entered upon the Prophet wearing transparent clothes, he turned his face away and said, "O Asmaa`! When a woman reaches menarche, nothing of her should be seen except this and this" (and he pointed to his face and hands)" [Abu Dawud and others). According to Imam Abu Hanifa, al-Thawri and al-Muzani, the feet are not part of a woman's 'awrah and therefore it is permissible for her to expose them. Scholarly opinions The Hanafis In the book titled “al-Hidayah fi Sharh al-Bidaya”, Imam al-Mirghinani said, "The entire body of a free born Muslim woman is a 'awrah except for her face and hands." In the book of “al-Bahr al-Ra'iq”, the prominent scholar Ibn Nujaim commented on the opinion of Imam al-Nasfi saying, "Al-Nasfi's opinion in which he stated that a woman's entire body is 'awrah (must be covered) except for her face and hands is based on the words of Allah the Almighty "They should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (ordinarily) appear thereof" [Qur'an 24, 31]. Ibn 'Abass (may Allah be pleased with them) said, "[The apparent ornaments] refer to woman's face and hands." The Malikis In al-Sharh al-Kabir, Imam al-Dardir, "The 'awrah of a Muslim woman in presence of a non-mahram [individual to whom marriage is permissible] is her entire body except for the face and hands." Maliki scholars stated that it is disliked for a Muslim woman to wear the niqab if it is not part of the custom of her country. They mentioned that insisting on wearing the niqab and contradicting the customs of the land is deemed overzealousness in religion. The Shafi'is In Asna al-Matalib, Sheikh al-Islam Zakariyyah al-Ansari said, "The 'awra of a Muslim woman both during and outside of prayers and in the presence of non-mahrams is her entire body save the face and hands." The Hanbalis In Mughni al-Muhtaj, Imam Ibn Qudama said that it is permissible for a Muslim woman to uncover her face and hands because covering them entails hardship. Likewise, when a man wants to marry a woman, it is permissible to look at her face and hands. Evidence from primary texts The majority of scholars substantiated their opinion on this matter by many evidences derived from the Qur'an and Sunnah. Evidences from the Qur'an They (women) should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (ordinarily) appear thereof" [Qur'an 24, 31). This verse refers to the adornment that is permissible to be revealed such as kohl which is the ornament of a woman's face and rings. Ibn Abu Shayba, Abd Ibn Hamid and Ibn Abu Hatim reported that Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with them) said in his interpretation of the verse that the adornment that is permissible for a Muslim woman to reveal includes her face, hands and rings. In his interpretation of the verse, Ibn Kathir said, "It was reported that Ibn 'Umar, 'Atta`, 'Ikrima, Sa'id Ibn al- Jubair, Abu al-Sha'tha', al-Dahak, Ibrahim al-Nakh'i and others maintained the same opinion as Ibn 'Abbas." The Sunnah Ibn 'Umar (may Allah be pleased with them) narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "A woman in a state of iharm should neither cover her face nor wear gloves" (Bukhari). Based on the hadith, if a woman's face and hands were considered 'awrah, the Prophet would not have forbidden covering them while in ihram. Bukhari and Muslim recorded in their collections of Sahihs that Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with them) narrated: "Al-Fadl was riding behind the Prophet (pbuh) on his mount, when a beautiful woman from the tribe of Khath'am approached the Prophet (pbuh). Al-Fadl kept gazing at her (in some narrations it was mentioned that she was beautiful) so the Prophet turned al-Fadl's face to the other side. She asked the Prophet (pbuh), "O Messenger of Allah! My father is an old man. He cannot sit firmly on his mount and therefore cannot perform his obligatory hajj. May I perform it on his behalf?" The Prophet (pbuh) replied, "Yes, you may." This happened during the Farewell hajj. If the face were part of a woman's 'awrah that must be covered, the Prophet would not have approved of her uncovering her face in the presence of people. Rather, he would have commanded her to cover her face. Moreover, if her face was covered, Ibn 'Abbas would not have known whether she was beautiful or otherwise. Imam Muslim recorded the hadith of Jabir Ibn Abdullah (may Allah be pleased with them) in which the Prophet (pbuh) reminded women to pay charity as a protection from Hellfire in the Hereafter. Thereupon, a woman from among their noblest, with dark spot on her cheeks asked, "Why is that O Messenger of Allah? … This narration indicates that the woman's face was uncovered and that the narrator of the hadith saw her face. There are other hadiths to this effect.
Furthermore, [everyday] needs require exposing the face and hands during business dealings. The issue of attire is closely related to a community's customs. The opinion implemented for fatwa in Egypt in this respect is the preponderant opinion maintained by the majority of scholars who permit exposing the face and hands. There is no harm in women covering their faces in communities where this is the custom. However, this must not be tied to a woman's religiosity. This scholarly disagreement concerns the case when wearing the niqab is not taken as a means to divide the Muslim community or make it a symbol of worship and religiosity. If this is so, then the ruling for it changes from recommendation or permissibility to being an innovation. This is because in this case, niqab turns into a means to discord and division among Muslims and their families. *This is taken from Fatwa of Egypt www.dar-alifta.org/foreign/ViewFatwa.aspx?ID=6766
Yes I completely agree with sister Miriam, islam is journey for everyone even for the born Muslims.... absolutely right faith isn't a constant thing its a continuous rollercoaster ride ..one minute up and next minute down, I guess its because of the various tests Allah put us in our life....its been this way for everyone whether youre an born muslim or not ......me myself lets say became a real muslim and started learning about real islamic teachings in my teens and Islam is still a journey and learning path for me...
Myriam lives for dunyia and not the Akihira thats why she has a livein kafir lover some 12 years her junior. her toyboy lover helps rasie her 'Muslim' children. she is a munafiqeen who has been in haram relationship with a man with jamaican heritage. After divoorcing a muslim man with Turkish heritage. DO YOU AGREE NOW?
I remember when I was young man in the uk in the late 80’s I use to ponder the state of Asian Muslims because it was hard on brown people generally anyway, I always thought us Asian Muslims are not gonna bring change it will be the newcomers into the fold of Islam and you people share a lot of sentiments I share also
Listen to what the British Reverts are saying about honey and not hatred..in My Janaah l Almighty Allah have rivers of honey..smile..Islam is all about sweetness. .as Janaah is wonderfully described with this adjective. Salam and congrats sisters. Almighty Allah the Creator of Sweet Eternal life. ❤❤❤❤
Assalamun Aleykun! Fico feliz pelo debate proposto pelos britânicos sobre a conversão ao Islamismo. O que é fundamental entender sobre a operatividade do Islã,são alguns fatores que possam ser percebidos, e assim eu trago essa apreciação. No contexto da forma que é conduzida a religiosidade, devemos considerar a Recitação mais que uma espécie de cântico religioso,mas uma condução vibracional que qualifica a Fé pelo Testemunho professado,na sua forma declarada. Outro aspecto fundamental é a conversão do entendimento do Q'ran,que está no idioma árabe, e a compreensão em sua forma adequada no engajamento que outros povos possuem,na compreensão que estão subordinados pela sua forma originária de entender e se expressar em seu idioma de origem. Com a Bíblia,temos a Vulgata que disponibilizou o conteúdo nas tradições para o latim. No Q'ran,sugiro uma interposição comparativa da recitação,e do entendimento interpretativo em sua compreensão do idioma árabe,para o esclarecimento em uma outra cultura. Dessa maneira,a caracterização fica na vibroturgia da recitação, enquanto que, em um sentido ampliativo,outros povos de outros idiomas podem agregar a sua cognição a forma e a leitura que o Q'ran proporciona. Salam! 🧔😃😉👍🏻☝🏻🙏🏻📖🕋🕌📿✨ ruclips.net/video/eBIZFcHdpuU/видео.htmlsi=P3qLrP3KIJKeqGip
May Allah SWT guide all of ahle Russia🇷🇺 and west as well all of us and all of atheist china🇨🇳 singapore🇸🇬 japan🇯🇵 letin America Africa🌍 on the straight path always amen
👍👍👍As salaamu alaikum! A discussion very much expected. It should continue. Having born in or converting/reverting to Islam is not all. We have no chance of self satisfaction. What our requirement is satisfaction of Allah swt. To achieve that we need proper motivation towards Allaah, Rasool(saw) and towards those people amongst us who are ahead of us in 'abiding by Allah's orders ('murshid' as mentioned in the holy Qur'an)'. Muslims need motivation, education, discussion, research, self evaluation, self correction and follow the instructions of a 'murshid' till our death. May Allah SWT guide us towards right destination.🤲🇧🇩❤️❤️❤️❤️🌹🌹🌹🇵🇸 Jazakallahu khairan.
So agree with Miriam on her views. As a born Muslim, being Muslim is a journey between the individual and his Creator. No one should be judged or judge others. Have never liked the word revert, a person who says they are Muslim , they are Muslim full stop. Prefer listening to Timothy Winters - Hakim Murad, and Humza Yusuf, people who provide intellectual thought rather than telling you what one is not doing.
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله اذا اساء بعض الناس سمعة المسلمين الاسلام بريء عنهم لا ينسب الي الاسلام مما فعلوا اسال الله ان يثبتنا واياكم علي الحق وبنيتنا علي الاسلام
im a convert but i get abuse from friends and some threats as well i dont like that at all and its making me depressed i dont like when people make threats just because i converted and i didnt do anything to them
@@hindhussain7540 i am human and must be respected right? im sure as muslim you respect me right? tell me if someone converts to any religion why people want to kill them or harm them? from your comment i feel so much better that you are ok for people to convert so truth is i was muslim and i converted to a different religion. i was hafiz of quran but now i have converted. i hope you will still sympathize with me
@@hindhussain7540 i know right indian Hindus are gone so crazy that they are not letting Hindu females marry muslim men, but i hope YOU ARE not as hateful as hindu because you wont stop muslim females marry hindu men right?
Mariam said it right that we should not keep addressing the reverts to Islam as "reverts" forever. Reverting happens and then all reverts are Muslims. Period. I agree nobody lives in her shoes. Everybody in this world is given free will, intellect, and sufferings. Allah said these words to the angels when he created Adam. Mariam or any Muslim has free will. Do we expect new Muslims to be ideal Muslims but not those who are born Muslims? New Muslims should understand that they are stand-alone like any other Muslim in this world.
But, what about enjoining what is good and forbidding what is bad? What about giving advice, to the believers, as giving advice is beneficial, according to the Qur'an? That doesn't justify the disgraceful behaviour some of the men showed, upon the sister.
We just need to be less judgmental and treat everyone as we ourselves want to be treated. Muslims now are not, “ the Sahaba”, we are a very watered down community, unfortunately 😭😭😭, in this day and age! I am a born Muslim, and I am stumbling still! Also generally there is a great emphasis on the rituals and not enough emphasis on the deeper truths that embody these rituals. Islam is multi dimensional, Islam , Iman , Ehsan❤️
Some of these reverts needed so much love before popping into their imaginary “Islam” and they didn’t find it in the shape and form they were expecting! Next step for most of them is to remove their “hijab” and start describing Muslims imperfections! Islam is a relation with Allah and yourself so expect people to treat you not as you expect, so be strong and carry on as Allah will always guide you as long as you’re sincere in your relationship with him!
Removing the hijab is an important act to her and she responds directly why wearing the hijab must never matter to anybody: ruclips.net/video/b-Z3gx-TwHA/видео.html
Dude she carry hijab and Islam after the divorce. For few years .does try dating a Muslim but she's Married to a non-muslims a half black British actor.. that why she deviated from Islam she's into New age spirituality paganism.. I'll have evidence. She left Islam.. just carrying the identity.
No offense to any white "revert" "convert" "Muslim" (I say revert as I was introduced to it by my Jamican teacher who used the term revert). I think the fascination comes from history. Islam and christianity happen to have been the two halves of the world for the past 1400 years. The major players have always been islam vs Christianity and now it's not as a physical confrontation as it used to be. We are going through propaganda war a media led war so people become content on either side when one converts.
Islam is truly beautiful; people will be people and you should be on guard in any situation if when its meant well...people are after all selfish by default....then there are the percentage who genuinley think before opening big mouth.
6:50
"Not a convert, not a revert, just a muslim."
"There is an idealisation of a white convert, which I want no part of".
What a beautiful woman, what beautiful words.
Yes a Revert. Her statements of Liberal beliefs in Shariah. Openly and clearly reject Hijab, says the rules and brotherhood Islam by Shariah is "Patriarchy" - buddy pls stfu.
Isa (Jesus) was never a Muslim. Allah ( Yahweh) IS not a muslim. He IS the creator of mankind. Mankind doe not subscribe to any religion.Period.
@@bakgatfromgb Who said Allah is Muslim? That's the dumbest thing I've heard all day. How can God have a religion?
i think it's ok to use the word convert tho, i don't see anything wrong with it, if anything it shows they're not following a religion blindly just because they're born into it, and it shows other non muslims that there are ppl converting and that might get them interested to know about islam out of curiosity or encourage them and get them out of their comfort zone to do their own research instead of believing what they believe just because they're told and taught to believe it
Adulation not idealisation
Important lessons for all of us. We would not label reverts, we're just Muslims.
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@@bugsbunny6869 , He is doing for the mnoney, And it takes 16 years for him wat he is not unstanding.. Why do you guys look at Conversion of people who go from Christian to Muslim. Surely there is something wrong with faith worthy of bible that people do not believe in but search Quran and convert to Muslim
I hope you will look at this link then you will have your answer right away regarding Quran/ Muslims and Bible/ Christians
This lady is revert in Muslim despite her father and mother running church. She knows the bible better than you.
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@@bugsbunny6869 The problem is that bible has been changed so many times by a man of his own choice and Pope keeps changing it then it is no longer credible. Biggest problem is the trinity. Is Jesus a god or a messenger. If he is god why does he pray to his father in heaven. You are never going to win this discussion. Just look at your own scientific research. Quran that has not changed for 1400 years.
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Whos labeling reverts ..may be you lol
@@bugsbunny6869 good for you. This chap is easily lead. Gullible.
I am newly converted to Islam, I'm Italian, half black half white, my husband is british and he is with Pakistani background. I just want to say, as a complete outsider to many of the topics in this conversation, I say that I don't want to get into this nonsense mess created by humans ego and false understanding of the world. I don't want relate injustice, racism and ignorance with Islam. I see Islam as the most rightful religion / philosophy. All those topics and things being said really put me off. I don't want to be there. Thank you.
keep up your good job.
Look into sufism. Islam is huge and sufism is by far the largest element of it. Please research adequately. Good luck! 😊
One more thing. This is probably the wrong programme to be used as research for yourself. This particular video has a
premeditated agenda. That's not to say its not genuine. 😊 But if you throw your net wide and invest some time into the vast subject that is Islam then I'm sure you'll come up with an outcome that is suitable for you. 😊
@@karlmuudfirstly dont reseach about sufis lern basic islam first until your akidah became strong enoug after that can reseach about tasawwuh because sufi hight level who lern tasawwuh but if you wrong fint teacher you can see example of sigh people they guru firstly are a good sufis a hight level iman but after people under him false understand what he teac because of that came 1 more religion islam+hindu=wrongly. If want to lern tasawwuh much fint a true teacher not to lern by self like read in book only, who are good in tasawwuh they level iman allways a hight level they did not see world so much only for they can live and simple but they akhirat are they firstly
@@karlmuud there are no "isms" in islam... stop making things more difficult than it needs to be... learn the basics, the fundamentals i.e the creed (akidah) and tawheed (oneness of God) according to evidences (Quran and authentic hadiths).. learn the islam of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) only. Simple.
@gc6497 some of the topics of this conversation is bizarre to say the least... the negative 1% experiences from a random muslim telling you to disown your family bcoz they are evil? get married right away? All the research and intellect to become muslim doesn't just suddenly disappear to then accepting everything blindly (without evidence) from a random someone.. Muslims are humans, and humans are flawed... what matters is what islam (Quran & prophet) says... but Alhamdulillah they recognized Islam
36:30 This is spot on. This is what initially drove me out of Islam; the focus on the external over the internal. I found my way back after my own extensive research.
assalaamu alaykum
may allaah make things easy for you.
regularly make duaa and ask for allaahs aid.
duaa such as :
يا مقلب القلوب، ثبت قلبي على دينك
yaa muqallib al quloob thabbit qalbee alaa deeniq.
oh turner of the hearts,keep my heart firm on your deen
No bodys perfect even in prophetic times it took time to practice on the complete religion but modesty should always there
Anyone who leaves Islam only leaves because of emotional reasons, and not logical reasons. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO LEAVE ISLAM UNDER LOGICAL REASONING. Even God challenges mankind on this matter!.
I left the “community” but still talk to God about my struggles. My own personal experience of the Pakistani demographic was horrific. I have honestly never felt so lonely in my life. Leaving was like a weight lifted from my soul
@@BillyBob-xw8kf The beauty of Islam is that it's a direct relationship between you and your Creator. I've learned not to let people who profess to be Muslim effect my view of Islam. Sorry about your experience.
I am a Muslim from Libya, and I totally Respect my Sister Mariyam, May Allah bless her with the best life and Janna
Ammin
Without lies, islam dies!😆😅
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without lies Islam rise
Yeah its rise downward🤭@@najmulhasan5317
Brave and brutally honest points from Myriam.🙏
Mashallah I'm blown away by sister Miriam example of the sheikh and his student. I once posted a comment about miram when I saw her without s hijab. May Allah forgive my short commings and me being judgemental.
@@swaliulhaque8125. How do you know she Left islam ?.
This takes some courage; may Allah accept this from you.
Big respect for this comment 👏🏽
We are so sorry that sister miriam feels that born muslims sometimes become a burden of judgemental zealots. She is absaloutely right that every muslim has their own journey into islam and they have their own connection with Allah swt. May Allah swt make your journey easy and a prosperous one and he shower his infinite blessings on miriam and all the ppl who choose islam as the way of life!
Ameen
Same for the brother too, he also reverted.
She shouldn't market herself as a Muslim role model then. Whilst being filmed drunk and fornicating.
They are not born "muslim" they are born as human. That is it.
@@kyedean9698 That is true, Muslim is a verb.
Maryam has very important and valid observations. Beautyfully articulated. The so called born muslims must listen and feel sorry for their stupid behaviors
The example of sheikh hamzah bought tears to my eyes I can just feel the pain of sister Miriam frustration. I am so so sorry as a born muslims we have not done justice to our brothers and sister's who became muslims. May Allah swt forgive us!
we have not done justice to others and ourselves, we are lacking and need to do better, that's why reverts who found out about Islam later on even though they weren't born around it get so many benefits. that's also why we Muslims who became Muslim after the prophet's passing also gain more benefits for the things we do than Muslims at the time of the prophet.
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@@bugsbunny6869 keep your lies to yourself
Muhammad copied books of Bible and made Quran.
He married many to help them.
He killed many as they were bad.
So he added polygamy and jihad and made Quran.
You will get many women on earth and in heaven.
Beware in the last days many logical men will make many to fall.
Pray nonstop till you know God
Jesus is the only way truth and life
This girl has an awesome perspective on her Islam! More power to her ماشاءالله ☝️👍👍
this life is short and temporary but there is eternal life after this
Yes I 100percent agree
He’s not there
Salam Myriam😍 ,I’m muslim and I love you beautiful sister MashaAllah.
You Are a great muslimah.
Allah bless you,and all people.Respect.
I realize with this discussion that NEW believers, especially womens, have to cross the desert twice to live their faith, first with their family and then with their new community. May God protect them.
I couldn’t recognise sister Maryam on this video. I saw her several times in Regent’s Park mosque with hijab on. I would like to thank her for sharing her experiences. I hope our born Muslim brothers can learn something valuable from this video.
Her mission was to miss guide other Muslim girl 👧 But Allah swt exposed her shytanic tention
@@swaliulhaque8125 I criticize IMAMs,KSA and basically anyone with a beard and big belly,feel they are hypocrits.
Remember all of us will answer only for our deeds in the end.
It looks like we all in slandering business. We deal evil with good. Allah is the most merciful. Allah is the most forgiving. We all commit sins and sometime deviate from the true path. So it’s Allah who guides us to the right path. May Allah guide her and all of us to the straight path, the path of the pious predecessors.
@@saleem3007 and may Allah swt guide you out of your ignorance smh, ameen
@Timur Sayfullah you said “may”, isn’t being assumptious a sin? Because remember we’re not supposed to do anything without proper evidence.
MashAllah, articulate, hard-hitting, thought provoking and I could relate many times to what was shared.
This discussion brings to light so many issues in the Muslim community that I feel like I could write a whole book about it. The bottom line is that in Britain the Muslim community should be led by well educated British Muslims who’re familiar with local culture. Kudos to Myriam and Ismael for giving us a lot of food for thought.
Great discussion . No matter whether you are born into the faith or find it later we all have to make a conscious decision to embrace it ourselves , in that sense were all reverts.
Dr. Myriam is fantastic. Thank you for your activism ❤❤❤
Wow what a lovely conversation. So much to learn for all Muslim Community, specially as a born Muslim towards other Muslims. The Best we can do as a born Muslim just pray and support each other instead of pointing others. May Allah Bless all Ummah and forgive us.
Cannot like this conversation enough. Thank you ❤
Jazakallah khairan for this stream, it so so insightful and very much needed of real life in having real conversations.
I find Islam is perfect, unfortunately there is a lot of ignorance in the Muslim Communities that is alien to what Islam actually is.
Muslims need to actually learn about the deen correctly with wisdom.
The world has changed so much but the mentally has remained cultural tribal and post colonialism of very ridged thinking.
May Allah protect us and guide us upon the straight path. Ameen.
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@@bugsbunny6869 i become Muslim after watching this video and currently laughing at his nonsense .
@@navedazam3178 Hello Naved Azam, your really gives you away , you know that right..
@@navedazam3178 Why I left Islam and became Christian
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I 100% support you and love your works ❤
Masha Allah sister!
May Allah protect you!❤️🤲
Islam is a true religion.Islam religion of peace.Islam is the only religion that teaches love and humanity.❤️❤️❤️
Why did you have to write that last sentence... Arrogance never plays well.
Many of the principles in Islam that teach love and humanity come from Judaism. However, Islam changed many good Jewish teachings, such as the law against marrying the wife of your adopted son.
Im a bit...confused. I havent seen Myriam Francois Cerrah in ...i want to say 4 years, and she seems _really_ differently. I dont just mean the makeup etc and no headscarf; her accent is _very_ different. It's gone from a fairly posh middleclass accent to a working class London accent, and it's really noticeable. Whats that all about? Sorry to not be commenting on the substance of the actual discussion, it just really threw me.
100% correct analysis, would be really interested to understand the psychoanalysis behind the change of behavior. She always seemed too good to be true
@historypoliticsbb I know other highly intelligent women who don’t find Islam restrictive in any sense. How does dressing modestly have any bearing on your intelligence? I respect your opinion but for me her change shows that she missed flaunting her beauty and aesthetically pleasing good looks. Maybe when she converted she didn’t take the time to understand why the headscarf is important and just went straight into it and she has come to find it oppressive. But anyone who truly understands the meaning of the headscarf won’t give it up. What’s the use of multiple phds if you can’t understand a concept of modesty?
Please don’t mistake me, I don’t intend to be harsh to her, she’s my sister in Islam and I love her for the sake of God. She’s on her own journey and I’m on mine. And I pray God almighty forgives all our shortcomings and grants us a big reward
@historypoliticsbb what a diabolical and vitriolic statement u made, an assumption by observing the outer apparel of a woman?! That itself shows the lack of intellectuality and ignorance. There were numerous pious muslim women who were equally intelligent and contributed to science education and almost every field. You know Fatima bint Muhammad Al-Fihriya Al-Qurashiya , she was the first in the world to establish a university.
@@fayizrawther2091 we judge by the apparent, and she is not modest, who knows if she prays with hijab?
الحمدلله على نعمه الاسلام
Thanks to all
Very sad about our Muslim society. We all need to introspect deeply constantly and correct ourselves .
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May Allah guide all of us and keep us steadfast up to the end.
Assalamo Alaikum sister love you from India and REQUESTING all ummah to do Dawah works continue world wide and Build Islamic Schools to create more and more Zakir Naik and Ahmed Deedats like Islamic preachers to explain Islam betters to non muslims and muslims as well.
May Allah Bless and protect you and make Dawah works easy for all Ameen
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Habluminallah, Habluminannas. I love the discussion. Even in Indonesia it happened, My friend from school think I am secular. I believe in monogamy while my friend is ok with polygamy. The good thing he is still in monogamy state. He think because i had studied abroad, I become more liberal😊 and my friend is really a smart person. So I remind him about Al Hujurat : 11.
WOW Masha Allah and Salams to all who set this up, very good initiative..
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I think , “ enjoining good and forbidding evil” is best when applied to one’s self.
ASA I lived in KSA for 3 years.. I am saddened by these stories..it was the best time of my life..... I ignored any strange people...made it personal and spiritual for me...I urge you to all go and make it personal...ignore the gov..make that connection with Allah SWT... let HIM be your host...I did it...just do it..dont not let politics or Iblees stop you...
What happened to Myriam’s voice/accent!? She sounds like she’s from some east London ghetto now 😂
@historypoliticsbb confused ever since she became muslim?
masha allah welcome to Islam brother and sisters you can not imagine how lucky you are may the Almighty bless you and increase steadfast your faith
Assalam Alykum I’m from India very happy see you all Allah bless you sisters. Alhamdolillah
Assalamualaykum to you all.
Some very interesting comments:
1) Hajj: my farther told me a story about his 1st Hajj in the 1960's and the inequalities then, surprised that it continues to this day.
2) Prisons: when Imams visit prisons I believe they don't intend to be backwards in propagating tenants of Islam. They work on what they know and believe. They may see things in "Black & White" where we don't, that doesn't make them wrong. Generalising Imams isn't the way I'd say but to take each case individually and on its own merits.
3) Imams: Imams who can't even speak English properly were somewhat degraded by one of the panelist. I don't totally agree with her. I've found that when I've engaged in deep conversations with them that they hold a vast array of knowledge, clearly this knowledge isn't being tapped into (remember, most of them are highly qualified from foreign institutions). Its their employer who dictates how broadly they teach.
I agree that todays needs are those who can address the audience and connect with them properly. I believe Blanket Stereotyping Imams whom cannot speak English properly (Indian subcontinent accents, or other small shortfalls) is a tad reckless. Because most Imams can convey their intended message properly. Again, I'd say "take each and every case individually" I think you'll find what you're talking about is in the minority.
As to types of Imams we need? Well, they need to apply for the position. Are they being unfairly rejected?
4) The Muffin man: When there's a ripened fruit on a tree, every fruit loving critter wants it. "Shaking the tree to see if the fruit falls" So a 60 Yr old man proposed, what's the big deal. I'd be chuffed. You placed yourself in that position, had you not then he wouldn't have been able to propose. There's plenty of older men with much younger women & vice verse, no big deal. I think you felt deflated that "I am such and such.... how dare he propose" You won't be able to stop men from proposing to women (regardless of age difference), unless you carry a sing (like Mr Bean) on your back saying "No to marriage proposals"
5) Islam in itself doesn't need any form of "amendments or reform" Islam is Islam, its timeless. I think what you guys were driving at is the need to propagate "Pure Islam" in a society where instrumental changes are occurring so fluidly thats its hard to keep up.
Society is fluid, its changing all the time, especially in none Muslim country. Challenging to say the least.
Take each case individually and work on it, e.g work with a specific Masjid and/or Imam (prison visit). Explain what you feel their shortfalls are..... and how they effect the community, take it from there.
In my comments above, I have no intention of hurting anyones feelings or lowering their image. I enjoy constructive dialogue and not being attacked.
Thank you for summing up my thoughts so well👌
I cannot agree with you about the 'Muffin Man'. Marriage is a serious long-term commitment, and I think someone who is in a position of authority over someone else should not exploit that authority by offering marriage without any warning. You can find many cases where such behaviour has led to abuse. If there was a prior romantic agreement between the two, then fine. But François was under this man's protection, because she needed money and a house. He overstepped his authority.
This is the reason why Islam is called as arrogant egotistical supremacistic religion that's infested with misogynists and perverts. You and the muffin man are best examples.
MASHALLAH LOVE YOU RESPECT YOU All, ALLHAMDULILLAH we born MUSLIM.,Butt You're very much Better than Us YOU are Speacial human beings ALLAH Bless you All, AMEEN
Very good discussion. Always find out what Islams says, not what a muslim says. Since all muslim groups have a culture attached to them, they will try to blend their culture with Islam and present it as Islam to the other people. So one has to be smart enough to distiguish between culture and Islam.
That is true brother and remember the companion that went to the prophet Muhammad SAW and oh prophet of Allah, I just kissed a woman that is not rightful for men what should I do’ and the prophet didn’t yell at him and his advice was so immense that he just asked did you pray with us as the man was feeling very sad as it is a grave sin but his prayers were already cleansing his actions already and we need to learn from them everyone makes a mistake.
Alhamdulillah, we are all Muslim, that we should be categorizing in any form convert or revert. great discussion. May Allah guide us we are one community that is Muslim
That anecdote of carrying the woman across the river was told to me but in a buddhist framework. It's always stayed with me
masallah how lovely these british brothers and sisters, elhamdulillah
ya Rabb please keep them on sirat-i mustakim.aminnnnnn
Mashallah, Much respect for alll of and So proud of all you especially sister Myriam , Mashallah she brilliant 🙏❤️
Maryam is spot on. Some people are obsessed with the apparent appearance etc.
Thank you to both sisters for sharing
That God strengthens our faith all .
IMO, underlying root of this fascination is dominance of Western culture.
I don't know. It could just be that since Islam is not a dominant religion in Europe, it may be more fascinating to see a European convert. Or it could be that since Christianity is still historically associated with Western culture, it may feel like a 'victory' to achieve a European convert from Christianity to Islam.
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 For me it's wonderful, as I feel that European converts are the best Muslims, as they follow Islam how it should be.
Sorry to hear sister- not all Muslim is perfect and may Allah guide them. Believe me they are struggling too
Any disagreement about Islamic jurisprudence must be on evident of Al-Quran and Sahih Hadith. Sometime disagreement occur because it is a matter of language translation, literal reading, varied historical events etc. The best we as Muslim/Muslimah can do is read what Islamic scholar of jurisprudence say and their evident to support their views. Whichever we think is most closest to Al Quran and Sunnah we follow that because at the end of the day, we will be judge by our own capability and indeed Allah is the Most Knowing and Most Forgiving.
Here is some of what scholars had discussed in the past.
According to the opinion of the majority of scholars, wearing the niqab (face veil) is a custom and not part of religion or adornment. This is based on the fact that the entire body of a Muslim woman is 'awrah (those parts of the body that must not be exposed before non-mahrams) except for her face and hands.
This is the established opinion of the Hanafi, Maliki and Shafi'i schools of jurisprudence, the sound opinion of Imam Ahmed ibn Hanbal and the opinion maintained by his students, and the opinion of al-Awza'i and Abu Thawr. Previous proponents of this opinion include 'Umar, Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with them), 'Ata`, 'Ikrima, Sa'id Ibn Jubair, Abu al-Sha'tha`, al-Dahhaq, Ibrahim al-Nakh'i and many others from among the mujtahids (scholars who are competent to exercise independent reasoning) from among our predecessors.
They based their opinion on the hadith of 'A`isha, the mother of Believers (may Allah be pleased with her) who narrated that when Asmaa` Bint Abu Bakr entered upon the Prophet wearing transparent clothes, he turned his face away and said, "O Asmaa`! When a woman reaches menarche, nothing of her should be seen except this and this" (and he pointed to his face and hands)" [Abu Dawud and others).
According to Imam Abu Hanifa, al-Thawri and al-Muzani, the feet are not part of a woman's 'awrah and therefore it is permissible for her to expose them.
Scholarly opinions
The Hanafis
In the book titled “al-Hidayah fi Sharh al-Bidaya”, Imam al-Mirghinani said, "The entire body of a free born Muslim woman is a 'awrah except for her face and hands."
In the book of “al-Bahr al-Ra'iq”, the prominent scholar Ibn Nujaim commented on the opinion of Imam al-Nasfi saying, "Al-Nasfi's opinion in which he stated that a woman's entire body is 'awrah (must be covered) except for her face and hands is based on the words of Allah the Almighty "They should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (ordinarily) appear thereof" [Qur'an 24, 31]. Ibn 'Abass (may Allah be pleased with them) said, "[The apparent ornaments] refer to woman's face and hands."
The Malikis
In al-Sharh al-Kabir, Imam al-Dardir, "The 'awrah of a Muslim woman in presence of a non-mahram [individual to whom marriage is permissible] is her entire body except for the face and hands."
Maliki scholars stated that it is disliked for a Muslim woman to wear the niqab if it is not part of the custom of her country. They mentioned that insisting on wearing the niqab and contradicting the customs of the land is deemed overzealousness in religion.
The Shafi'is
In Asna al-Matalib, Sheikh al-Islam Zakariyyah al-Ansari said, "The 'awra of a Muslim woman both during and outside of prayers and in the presence of non-mahrams is her entire body save the face and hands."
The Hanbalis
In Mughni al-Muhtaj, Imam Ibn Qudama said that it is permissible for a Muslim woman to uncover her face and hands because covering them entails hardship. Likewise, when a man wants to marry a woman, it is permissible to look at her face and hands.
Evidence from primary texts
The majority of scholars substantiated their opinion on this matter by many evidences derived from the Qur'an and Sunnah.
Evidences from the Qur'an
They (women) should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (ordinarily) appear thereof" [Qur'an 24, 31).
This verse refers to the adornment that is permissible to be revealed such as kohl which is the ornament of a woman's face and rings.
Ibn Abu Shayba, Abd Ibn Hamid and Ibn Abu Hatim reported that Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with them) said in his interpretation of the verse that the adornment that is permissible for a Muslim woman to reveal includes her face, hands and rings. In his interpretation of the verse, Ibn Kathir said, "It was reported that Ibn 'Umar, 'Atta`, 'Ikrima, Sa'id Ibn al- Jubair, Abu al-Sha'tha', al-Dahak, Ibrahim al-Nakh'i and others maintained the same opinion as Ibn 'Abbas."
The Sunnah
Ibn 'Umar (may Allah be pleased with them) narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "A woman in a state of iharm should neither cover her face nor wear gloves" (Bukhari).
Based on the hadith, if a woman's face and hands were considered 'awrah, the Prophet would not have forbidden covering them while in ihram.
Bukhari and Muslim recorded in their collections of Sahihs that Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with them) narrated: "Al-Fadl was riding behind the Prophet (pbuh) on his mount, when a beautiful woman from the tribe of Khath'am approached the Prophet (pbuh). Al-Fadl kept gazing at her (in some narrations it was mentioned that she was beautiful) so the Prophet turned al-Fadl's face to the other side. She asked the Prophet (pbuh), "O Messenger of Allah! My father is an old man. He cannot sit firmly on his mount and therefore cannot perform his obligatory hajj. May I perform it on his behalf?" The Prophet (pbuh) replied, "Yes, you may." This happened during the Farewell hajj. If the face were part of a woman's 'awrah that must be covered, the Prophet would not have approved of her uncovering her face in the presence of people. Rather, he would have commanded her to cover her face. Moreover, if her face was covered, Ibn 'Abbas would not have known whether she was beautiful or otherwise.
Imam Muslim recorded the hadith of Jabir Ibn Abdullah (may Allah be pleased with them) in which the Prophet (pbuh) reminded women to pay charity as a protection from Hellfire in the Hereafter. Thereupon, a woman from among their noblest, with dark spot on her cheeks asked, "Why is that O Messenger of Allah? … This narration indicates that the woman's face was uncovered and that the narrator of the hadith saw her face. There are other hadiths to this effect.
Furthermore, [everyday] needs require exposing the face and hands during business dealings.
The issue of attire is closely related to a community's customs. The opinion implemented for fatwa in Egypt in this respect is the preponderant opinion maintained by the majority of scholars who permit exposing the face and hands. There is no harm in women covering their faces in communities where this is the custom. However, this must not be tied to a woman's religiosity.
This scholarly disagreement concerns the case when wearing the niqab is not taken as a means to divide the Muslim community or make it a symbol of worship and religiosity. If this is so, then the ruling for it changes from recommendation or permissibility to being an innovation. This is because in this case, niqab turns into a means to discord and division among Muslims and their families.
*This is taken from Fatwa of Egypt
www.dar-alifta.org/foreign/ViewFatwa.aspx?ID=6766
Yes I completely agree with sister Miriam, islam is journey for everyone even for the born Muslims.... absolutely right faith isn't a constant thing its a continuous rollercoaster ride ..one minute up and next minute down, I guess its because of the various tests Allah put us in our life....its been this way for everyone whether youre an born muslim or not ......me myself lets say became a real muslim and started learning about real islamic teachings in my teens and Islam is still a journey and learning path for me...
Myriam lives for dunyia and not the Akihira thats why she has a livein kafir lover some 12 years her junior. her toyboy lover helps rasie her 'Muslim' children. she is a munafiqeen who has been in haram relationship with a man with jamaican heritage. After divoorcing a muslim man with Turkish heritage. DO YOU AGREE NOW?
I wish, tone of the podcast was towards positivity.
I remember when I was young man in the uk in the late 80’s I use to ponder the state of Asian Muslims because it was hard on brown people generally anyway, I always thought us Asian Muslims are not gonna bring change it will be the newcomers into the fold of Islam and you people share a lot of sentiments I share also
Mashallah very interesting discussion.
machaa allah alhamdo lillah ☝❤🌴🌷🍒
Listen to what the British Reverts are saying about honey and not hatred..in My Janaah l Almighty Allah have rivers of honey..smile..Islam is all about sweetness. .as Janaah is wonderfully described with this adjective. Salam and congrats sisters. Almighty Allah the Creator of Sweet Eternal life. ❤❤❤❤
Assalamun Aleykun!
Fico feliz pelo debate proposto pelos britânicos sobre a conversão ao Islamismo.
O que é fundamental entender sobre a operatividade do Islã,são alguns fatores que possam ser percebidos, e assim eu trago essa apreciação.
No contexto da forma que é conduzida a religiosidade, devemos considerar a Recitação mais que uma espécie de cântico religioso,mas uma condução vibracional que qualifica a Fé pelo Testemunho professado,na sua forma declarada.
Outro aspecto fundamental é a conversão do entendimento do Q'ran,que está no idioma árabe, e a compreensão em sua forma adequada no engajamento que outros povos possuem,na compreensão que estão subordinados pela sua forma originária de entender e se expressar em seu idioma de origem.
Com a Bíblia,temos a Vulgata que disponibilizou o conteúdo nas tradições para o latim.
No Q'ran,sugiro uma interposição comparativa da recitação,e do entendimento interpretativo em sua compreensão do idioma árabe,para o esclarecimento em uma outra cultura.
Dessa maneira,a caracterização fica na vibroturgia da recitação, enquanto que, em um sentido ampliativo,outros povos de outros idiomas podem agregar a sua cognição a forma e a leitura que o Q'ran proporciona.
Salam!
🧔😃😉👍🏻☝🏻🙏🏻📖🕋🕌📿✨
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Beautiful conversation🤲💕💖🇹🇲🇹🇳🇵🇸🇮🇶
May Allah SWT guide all of ahle Russia🇷🇺 and west as well all of us and all of atheist china🇨🇳 singapore🇸🇬 japan🇯🇵 letin America Africa🌍 on the straight path always amen
iam amazed by this myriam
Alhamdulillah
IERA ARE GOOD FOR NEW MUSLIMS.
I KNOW the PEOPLE behind the scenes they are legit good brothers who will help you.
MasyAllah Alhamdulillah Allahuakbar rezeki kita amin
Al Baqarah 216, Al Hujurat 11-18. Barakallah
👍👍👍As salaamu alaikum! A discussion very much expected. It should continue.
Having born in or converting/reverting to Islam is not all. We have no chance of self satisfaction. What our requirement is satisfaction of Allah swt. To achieve that we need proper motivation towards Allaah, Rasool(saw) and towards those people amongst us who are ahead of us in 'abiding by Allah's orders ('murshid' as mentioned in the holy Qur'an)'.
Muslims need motivation, education, discussion, research, self evaluation, self correction and follow the instructions of a 'murshid' till our death.
May Allah SWT guide us towards right destination.🤲🇧🇩❤️❤️❤️❤️🌹🌹🌹🇵🇸 Jazakallahu khairan.
May God bless us!!
So agree with Miriam on her views. As a born Muslim, being Muslim is a journey between the individual and his Creator. No one should be judged or judge others. Have never liked the word revert, a person who says they are Muslim , they are Muslim full stop. Prefer listening to Timothy Winters - Hakim Murad, and Humza Yusuf, people who provide intellectual thought rather than telling you what one is not doing.
Live the Golden Rule . Treat others the way you like to be treaten . God is Love and peace , so live peacful life .
Masha allah
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله
اذا اساء بعض الناس سمعة المسلمين الاسلام بريء عنهم لا ينسب الي الاسلام مما فعلوا اسال الله ان يثبتنا واياكم علي الحق وبنيتنا علي الاسلام
السلام عليكم هل هي مريم فرانسو مسلمة ولا لا
@@falahmatiran2460 نعم مسلمة
Salaam from 🇵🇭 Philippines.
Masha-Allah ❤️
Respect
MashaAllah sisters and brothers. Good message.
We are all born muslim, alhamdulillah
im a convert but i get abuse from friends and some threats as well i dont like that at all and its making me depressed
i dont like when people make threats just because i converted and i didnt do anything to them
threats? what's wrong with people??????
im sorry, god protect you
@@soul553 i know right i feel so alone now
@@soul553 at least you have sympathy for me thats nice to hear so thank you
@@hindhussain7540 i am human and must be respected right?
im sure as muslim you respect me right? tell me if someone converts to any religion why people want to kill them or harm them? from your comment i feel so much better that you are ok for people to convert so truth is i was muslim and i converted to a different religion. i was hafiz of quran but now i have converted. i hope you will still sympathize with me
@@hindhussain7540 i know right indian Hindus are gone so crazy that they are not letting Hindu females marry muslim men, but i hope YOU ARE not as hateful as hindu because you wont stop muslim females marry hindu men right?
Mariam said it right that we should not keep addressing the reverts to Islam as "reverts" forever. Reverting happens and then all reverts are Muslims. Period.
I agree nobody lives in her shoes. Everybody in this world is given free will, intellect, and sufferings. Allah said these words to the angels when he created Adam. Mariam or any Muslim has free will. Do we expect new Muslims to be ideal Muslims but not those who are born Muslims? New Muslims should understand that they are stand-alone like any other Muslim in this world.
She's absolutely right
Remember we don’t take Islam just because they want to except Allah puts it in their heart ❤️
I take it the "happy song" dance was an act then sister Myriam Francois!!!
May God reward you in this life and after life
Manshallah
Righ right gaes. LoL🤣🤣🤣. True, true and true. LoL🤣🤣🤣 how Myriam talked really captivating.I on the same page. Truly loving this discussion.
But, what about enjoining what is good and forbidding what is bad? What about giving advice, to the believers, as giving advice is beneficial, according to the Qur'an? That doesn't justify the disgraceful behaviour some of the men showed, upon the sister.
SOME CONFUSIONS, EVERYWHERE.
ISLAM AND MUSLIMS... IN APPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR.
FOCUS ON PATIENCE, SABR, FOR THE MUSLIMS AND IT'S REWARDS.
We just need to be less judgmental and treat everyone as we ourselves want to be treated. Muslims now are not, “ the Sahaba”, we are a very watered down community, unfortunately 😭😭😭, in this day and age! I am a born Muslim, and I am stumbling still! Also generally there is a great emphasis on the rituals and not enough emphasis on the deeper truths that embody these rituals. Islam is multi dimensional, Islam , Iman , Ehsan❤️
HONEST PERSON
Interesting....Will carry on to finish this video. ....so far very interesting.
mashaa Allah sisters
ALLAH IS THE GREAT 🇸🇦💖🇸🇦 and MUHAMMAD is his prophet on earth
MashaAllah, smart british ladies, ,,❤❤🌷🌷🌹🌹⚘⚘⚘
Islam we get from the prophete and his life . Also with his compagnions
Some of these reverts needed so much love before popping into their imaginary “Islam” and they didn’t find it in the shape and form they were expecting! Next step for most of them is to remove their “hijab” and start describing Muslims imperfections! Islam is a relation with Allah and yourself so expect people to treat you not as you expect, so be strong and carry on as Allah will always guide you as long as you’re sincere in your relationship with him!
Removing the hijab is an important act to her and she responds directly why wearing the hijab must never matter to anybody: ruclips.net/video/b-Z3gx-TwHA/видео.html
Dude she carry hijab and Islam after the divorce. For few years .does try dating a Muslim but she's Married to a non-muslims a half black British actor.. that why she deviated from Islam she's into New age spirituality paganism..
I'll have evidence.
She left Islam.. just carrying the identity.
Some Muslims go too far sometimes by taking others for granted and don’t understand everyone is different personalities and decisions.
SALAM TO ALL
Maryam your Arabic is so amazing especially when you say استغفر الله so funny.
No offense to any white "revert" "convert" "Muslim" (I say revert as I was introduced to it by my Jamican teacher who used the term revert). I think the fascination comes from history. Islam and christianity happen to have been the two halves of the world for the past 1400 years. The major players have always been islam vs Christianity and now it's not as a physical confrontation as it used to be. We are going through propaganda war a media led war so people become content on either side when one converts.
May Allah protect us 🙏
Islam is truly beautiful; people will be people and you should be on guard in any situation if when its meant well...people are after all selfish by default....then there are the percentage who genuinley think before opening big mouth.
I love Myriam❤️🤲🏻