TV Stations Can Be Picked Up on an Airplane!
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- Опубликовано: 19 авг 2024
- In this video I demonstrate whether or not TV stations can be picked up on an airplane. The current digital TV standard was designed to be picked up by an antenna in a fixed location. However, I noticed they can sometimes be picked up in a car if there are no obstructions in the way. What about in an airplane?
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Oh oh Tyler, you just proved the Ping Ding Ping antennas CAN have a range of 250 miles. You just need to mount the antenna 37,000 feet in the air....LOL
Great .. now airplanes will be stuffed with people reviewing cheap antennas for Amazon. 😅
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I remember in the 80s leaving Atlanta on airplane, I was watching the braves on wtbs 17 heading to Tampa picked signal up most of the trip,got closer to Jacksonville ch 17 from Jacksonville and WTBS was interfering with each other with WTBS winning just before landing in Tampa,signal went away on WTBS when plane began to lose altitude before landing.In old days it was fun taking a tv up on airplane.
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Many many years ago I took a radio shack portable TV on a plane.. this was the old system. It worked awesome. you could pick up channels 500 miles away with almost no fading. only problem was multiple channels on some channels
Awesome!
Back in the 60’s, there was an educational TV station that did the reverse of this. They put a TV transmitter on an airplane and beamed programming over a hundred+ mile radius covering pretty much all of Indiana, as well as Chicago, Detroit, and and a few other markets.
Yep, I remember as a kid in elementary school we had a tv hooked up to some rabbit ears and picked up the airplane signal on channel 10, out of Onandaga, Mich. The airplane was a retired Air Force Constellation with this antenna hanging down from the aircraft. Amazing times back then.
MPATI, it was called
I watched those snowy MPATI broadcasts from my school just east of Cincinnati. Years later I had the opportunity to make the acquaintance of one of the pilots involved with MPATI, the late Joe Vorbeck. Boy did he have some stories to tell!
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The channel 10 station was not transmitted directly from an airplane.
The airplane was transmitting on two channels (72 and 76), flying in a figure-8 pattern over Indiana (channel 72 and channel 76 were used to broadcast separate programming).
One important misnomer to know about MPATI was the fact that it was not a "flying classroom" as it was commonly called. There were no children in the airplane raising their hands to answer any questions.
The programming came from two videotape recorders.
You saw Channel 10 because you were in your own area. Because there were many stations between Chicago and Cleveland, and most TV sets lacked UHF tuners, Channel 10 was shared with WILX being a daytime NBC affiliate, and WMSB being educational.
When WKAR-TV (Channel 23) came on the air, as an NET affiliate, the sharing arrangement between WILX and WMSB was no longer necessary.
aren't there still some stations that do that with satellites? I heard WGVK in kalamazoo michigan uses satellites in some way
I love your comment about "The View' and your high flying experiment.
I've given up on all daytime TV. It's all garbage.
In 1979, with analog TV, using a Sinclair
microvision battery 🔋 VHF/UHF receiver,
I was able to receive TV reception from
European stations, because this set was
able to receive UK and PAL at that time.
It had a whip antenna for VHF, and a loop
that folded on the set for UHF.
I have also received FM as others have
stated.
Additionally, years ago I listened to amateur
repeaters on my walkie talkie in 1976, on
a TWA DC-8 flight from NYC to Phoenix.
Except for the FM listening recently, I have
not done the other things since 9/11 has
happened. So it was good that you could
receive TV with the Android dongle on your
flight. I too only use android devices and
have not purchased Apple devices anymore.
"able to pick up UK and PAL"
I thought the UK used PAL...
Not TV, but on my most recent plane trip, I took an FM radio with me and logged all the stations I could get as we went down the Atlantic coast
AM probably would have been more interesting as those signals often travel further. FM is line of sight. Although the plane's equipment could affect the reception.
@@writerpatrick I tried AM, all I got was noise from the plane
Did the same here in Europe. But using an FM-receiver on board is not very wise because of the IF: an FM-receiver is in a way also transmitting, due to the IF. And with the airband just above the FM band I guess airplane companies are not very keen on passangers like me listening to the radio. But fascinating it is: receiving BBC Radio 1 on FM while flying over Germany…
Analog FM is probably much more interesting than digital TV!
@@writerpatrick all this is very fascinating.
Yes , there are ATSC-3 TV dongles !! Their price for the time being is way to high for regular consumers . TV stations DO have the budget to buy them for signal coverage purposes and some of this dongles connected to a PC laptop will give them ALL the parameters they need to test their broadcasted signal on the field. :)
Seriously? What is the webpage to buy one?
Enjoyed your view on The View. If you’re tired of thinking, this is your show.
I recall in a college astronomy course I took back in the 1970s in which the instructor theorized that Earth's terrestrial VHF TV signals could go into outer space, where alien civilizations light years away could receive the video signals; then sarcastically said those faraway civilizations would get a distorted impression of what Earthlings are from watching The Milton Berle Show; which was televised from 1948 to 1956.
Voyager 2 is still transmitting back to Earth 8 billion miles away using 23 watts. Line of sight.
Makes you wonder if anyone has tried it up on the ISS.
Johnny Carson in one of his monologues mentioned TV signals going straight out into space. “That means that right now, on Pluto, they’ve just cancelled ‘Hello, Larry.”
@@christopherdunne7848 Just think, on some world about 42 light years out, some alien species is spending the next 2 or so months waiting on the edge of their seats to find out Who Shot JR?
@@currentsitguy A number of Astronauts have toted ham radios. At certain times, the Doppler shift goes null.
There are quite a few videos out there of people taking DAB radios on an airplane in Europe and doing cross border DXing while in the air.
That must be very interesting
Tyler, thanks for this really fun and cool experiment.
I wanted to share an experience from back in the October of 1988. I was flying back to LAX on an American flight from DFW on the night the Dodgers played the Oakland Athletics in Game 1 of the 1988 World Series. That was the night that Kurt Gibson hit his walk-off epic home run. We saw that play when the AMR flight crew tuned the in-flight entertainment system's VCR tuner and remarkably picked up the LA broadcast affiliate (I think it was KABC-7) broadcasting the game. At first, the image was very grainy but you could at least hear the broadcast on the movie channel for in-flight entertainment. The flight crew must have been LA based and folks on the plane were elated to be able to watch the entire last few innings. Remarkably, we began catching the signal for KABC up at 25,000 feet plus over Arizona and New Mexico. By the time the plane entered Southern Cal airspace, Gibson's big at bat happened over San Bernardino and Riverside County.
Another quick story from the 1980's, for some reason the airlines hated the Sony Watchman TV. But, at times in the mid-80's I would fly with my parents across the nation from LA to ATL and Orlando. I recall manually tuning that analog TV and tilting the antenna around and along the window. Your story about the conflicting signals calibrates to my observations with those analog Watchman TV's back 35 to 40 years ago. When I was up at altitude, if you pointed the antenna a certain way, you would catch an analog signal along that vector for a few minutes. Since aircraft are flying at about 500-600 mph, that's about 9 miles per minute. Therefore, your TV antenna ends up moving about 40-50 miles over five minutes. This is enough to alter the pointing of the antenna significantly within a few minutes. But, it was sure interesting to this Southern California kid to see stations from all across the nation within just a few hours of flight time.
I am very interested in resolving the mobile antenna issue by mounting a mobile antenna on my cars such that my young children can watch TV on longer commutes. If you have any videos that explain these issues, I'd sure appreciate the pointer.
Results are as expected to me.
At flight speeds, you would never be within range of stations long enough to watch an entire half hour comedy skit / episode.
With that device, I tend to think you may have gotten a few stares LOL
I'm stopping at the 6:04 second mark to clean up all the beer I just blew out my nose from laughing so hard. This video has entirely too many good calls to watch only once. I need to go back and slow-mo the 'Slayer' portion as well !
Tyler . . . You Rule !!!!
Wow! Great TV DX! Too bad the programs weren't better.
Really good video - thank you for making an actual video about OTA TV stations on a plane, most people would think TV on a plane means getting the Satellite/IPTV that most airlines offer on their in-flight internet services.
For a future video, I'd recommend getting the HDHomeRun tuner and plugging it in with a small extension cord on a flight with power outlets between the seats. Then you can use a laptop during the main part of the flight and just type in the RF channel number. It would save some time not having to constantly rescan plus you'd be able to get more detailed signal data.
In a small private plane, in days of old, yes indeed. My little Casio pocket tv ….Cleveland, Detroit , Columbus and Dayton, while flying above Marysville Ohio. I have not tried it since the digital change….
Interesting video! I don't think the plane moves fast enough for the Doppler effect to be an issue but when I'm working with satellites like the ISS that aren't geosynchronous I have to adjust the frequency over the course of the pass.
As others have commented, back in the analog days, the little Radio Shack portable TVs up in the air picked up stations from 400 miles away, as long as stations are not sharing the same freq. A fellow passenger had one and I was impressed so purchased one myself. I also have one of those TV dongles for my phone and they do work very well as long as you get a strong signal. But please check with the airlines before operating one on a flight. Perhaps you did and perhaps it was fine for your flight, but other airlines may not have them on their approved list. I was told 20 years ago I couldn't use my little Radio Shack portable because it wasn't on that airline's approved list whereas on a previous flight with another airline, I had checked and they had no issue with it.
And Yes I agree, Iphones are WAY TOO restrictive. I need a phone that will do EVERYTHING in my life!!
Many years ago, we took a tiny TV on a plane and the reception was great.
I had an interesting experience like this with a radio tuner in my company's small plane. When I was over Louisville I tried to pick up B 96.5. Instead I got 96 Rock out of Cincinnati loud and clear. Their signal from over a hundred miles away easily overpowered B 96.5 which was only a few miles away on the ground.
On another note, when I was over southern Ohio I picked up 93.9 The River out of Windsor, which was clashing with 93.9 out of Marietta ,Ohio.
Nice. CIDR 93.9 from Windsor is 100,000 watts. I live 50 miles away from CIDR
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I just keep likeing this guy more and mroe every time he posts vids. Keep up the great work mate, be safe.
I loved bringing my Walkman to listen to a song from each market as we flew by.
RF is amazing in aircraft. I once made a 95 mile contact on 446.0 MHz from a glider at 2700 ft. I was flying near the Philadelphia Gliderport in Hilltown and the guy I talked to was in Cape May. It was impossible to make contact on 146.52 because there were too many overlapping replies, but apparently not so many people monitor 446.0.
One night during troposphere ducting I was able to reach a repeater in New Jersey on 146985 and talk to a guy in Virginia on a handheld using 5 Watts
Flew to MCO...must have attended Welcome to Rockville in Daytona? Glad you're a rocker...need more in the world!
I did a similar experiment with FM radio a few years back, picking up stations way outside of the state I was over.... just a fun thing to do
That is great to know. Just to share...yesterday (Thursday), a rare channel came in on my spare tv (outside antenna). On a hunch I ran the channel scan option...wow!! I went from about 30 local channels to 53! Some of them over 60 miles away. Being an amateur radio operator, I know about tropospheric ducting and I believe that is what happened. Thanks for your "airplane" video.
I used to dx analogue tv on aircraft all the time. I had a sharp mini TV. It was amazing. Just like fm. Especially neat in the north of Canada when you got away from the jam of transmitters down south.
Thanks! I've often wondered what TV stations could be picked up from a plane.
That's always good to know. I remember back in the day I would fly and I would like to DX with FM up in an airplane. That's really always interesting.
I have a flip phone too Motorola razr I live in a 14 floor building and I get my receptions from my TV and my phone perfectly then again I'm not very far from most of stations but I just want to say I really appreciate the way that you explain the devices and TVs that are on the market and I do take your advice seriously
The way the signals work really is fascinating! Very very cool!
5:49 LOL truer words were never spoken!!!
I've been travelling for years on Greyhound bus on planes and I can tell you from experimenting yes you can pick up a lot of TV stations from the airplane when you're up 30,000 feet in the air signals can travel 400 miles if not more was carrying a cheap digital digital portable TV receiver and the signal I managed to get was from Vancouver British Columbia basically all the way out to Kelowna British Columbia you can receive signals from very very far because you have altitude when you're basically almost have line of sight even though the pain is almost like a Fahrenheit cage because of your altitude do signals for go for hundreds of miles I was picking up a station CTV Vancouver to Kelowna in Canada as well as your FM receivers radio you can pick up an FM radio using back in the eighties a Walkman I was picking up a radio station from Portland Oregon almost all the way out to Vancouver British Columbia it is only when the plane started descending I lost the signal there's also a m skip on the am Ben DOT travel thousands of miles because it bounces off the ionosphere you will basically use sporadic the sporadic E4 FM will do the trick ultimately the answer to the question is yes it also has to do how the Sun is behaving in other variables VHF UHF line-of-sight and altitude are your friends I'm picking up with a cheap portable TV receiver with a really horrible antenna on top of the Mount Royal Vermont it's about 60 miles away because the altitude line-of-sight helps when you're on top of the mountain when I'm on top of Grouse Mountain or Cypress Hill from Vancouver I can pick up Seattle because of high altitude if I would have had more precise antenna better calibrated antenna I could probably pick up more so even on a cheap TV receiver you have line of sight you can pick up you have altitude you can pick pick up a lot more your TV tuner will be full of channels
Are you an smateur radio operator (ham?)
United Airlines has personal screens that picks up live TV channels from former Continental 737s. JetBlue has this too on older a320s and E190s. So maybe yes
Pretty sure this is satellite rebroadcasts, not free OTA antenna TV.
250 mile range you say? Ping Ding Bing claims confirmed!
Signals propagate in straight lines. But as the signal propagates (as shown @ 4:15) it reaches higher altitudes where air density is lower. This change in density causes the signal to refract downwards slightly, increasing the reception distance beyond what a simple straight-line model would predict.
I've listened to FM radio stations from an airplane before and it's really cool.
Me too!
There a saying in amateur radio "Height is might" you have nothing interfering with the single. So it makes sence it worked.
This is awesome, thanks for telling us about the Android TV tuner! I always wanted a portable digital TV to play with outside and this looks like the most practical solution.
I must say this was a good on, Tyler. You do give some very good advice. I am buying one of those tv tuners now. Thanks for the 411.
The dongle tuners work great, but on the ground, you'll need strong signals! Order an adaptor so you can connect better portable antennas to get more channels. The antenna that comes with it is lame. I got one of those magnetic telescoping antennas for mobile radio use and it connected up without an adaptor and gave me MUCH more signal.
Hey Tyler this is really cool! I have had similar fun listening to FM radio stations come and go during flights I've taken between Orlando and Allentown. I was even able to hear the occasional AM and shortwave station pop in when holding the radio as close as possible to the window, however those AM and shortwave signals able to overcome the noise of the aircraft were far and few in between.
that's cool that you can do that, it means i can use my 7 inch portable digital tv on a plane for some time before it cuts out
flat antenna works too, but requires a MCX Male to F-type female SMA converter
I found a portable TV that ran on these huge d batteries. It was small enough to fit in a back pack, wish I knew its name make and model! It had a antenna, and turn dials to choose the channels and tune in to picture quality. It had a round, glass screen, and could additionally plug into the wall.
I’m not sure if this might be another reason why you wouldn’t pick up tv stations over Virginia is because of the national radio quiet zone. I’m not exactly sure if it would make a difference but you did go into that zone a little bit in your flight
I agree. Watching "The View" is very painful!
RF channel 14 is shared with LMR in the Northeast, which explains why there isn't anything in that area TV wise. Lots of public safety radio systems use that spectrum in the Northeast and in Southern California.
Well this will upset the flat earthers
I love this video. I've listened to FM radio on planes whenever I fly. I've been doing this since the days of the cassette recording Walkman stereos & have recordings of stations over 150 miles from the plane's location. It's amazing what the curved Earth (sorry flat-Earthers) does to line-of-sight signals.
I would have so loved to have a Walkman that could record back then! I never knew such a thing existed.
Radio signals at the vhf/uhf range that FM radio and TV stations use follow line of sight, they don't propagate via ground wave or refract off of the ionosphere the way HF signals do. So yes it's possible to receive TV and even FM radio signals on an airplane. Some amateur radio operators use repeaters on satellites to communicate and we can even communicate by bouncing signals off of the moon.
I never did TV in a plane but I've done FM radio that's also an interesting listen you can almost tell where the plane is by what stations you pick up and again they don't last long if you're in and out of a market you lose the station quickly
You could get a jackery power bar or something similar to power the box.
It would have been great for this purpose to have nationwide Single Frequency Networks. With a SFN it would also be pretty easy to make planes receive all these TV stations and make it possible to watch them on the in-flight entertainment system.
For some reason, though technically possible especially with digital networks, Single Frequency Networks haven't really taken off at most places. Maybe it's interesting to do a video about SFN's in the US and why it isn't really a thing.
Oh wow, this is not what I expected! Good experiment
Another great video. Glad your plane didnt crash, however I can relate. Neighbor on the other side of the Delaware River.
Thanks!
Thanks Grady!
Just ordered a dongle, looking forward to playing with this next time I'm stuck on the runway
It is fun to play around with!
Good taste in music too
The signal stays in the F layer of the ozone and E layer too...I bet U will get E Skip and F2 Skip too doing summer and early winter
It must be hard to pick up very many TV stations on an airplane with lots of local TV stations stepping all over the toes of each other's RF frequency...
i just saw a video fo a airplane version of directv made for those entaintment thingy.
5:48 More true words have never been said
Tyler the Metalhead Nice!
I have heard but not personally seen, that some small aircraft use the external arenas to pick up TV stations on an iPad or build it screen.
I presume it mattered which side you were looking out as to which stations could overpower which others. I was surprised how quickly the GPS signal fades inside the plane. Near an equator-facing window over the Pacific my phone had to be within about a seat and a half to get altitude and speed ( and coordinates, but those aren't much fun without IP service for maps ).
Well, that was interesting. Good thing those of us who watch The View on our iPads and Pro Max iPhones have alternatives. ✌
So you bought a $1400 android phone that isn't overpriced like an iPhone? Hope you got a deal!
My Razr 5G was $400. Most Androids are actually priced under $300. Just go to Walmart and you'll see them.
I believe with a good antenna from 2500 miles...the Antenna must be high... the higher the better!!!...it would be great if IU can put the antenna on the plane...u get more if U did
Similar to my experience listening to FM on a plane. It gets easier over sparse western states where frequencies repeat less often.
Im actually curious about SW,MW, and FM on a plane but don't trust the TSA one bit and want to keep my radio out of some agent on a power trip.
I remember long ago I tried to listen to a radio in the airplane and the flight attendant told me to turn it off because it interfered with navigation. I wonder if a TV signal interferes with aviation signals or navigation.
Awesome, something I've wondered about! One of your Best video ideas! As an Apple fan, I'm now going to keep a decent Android around and try this some time.
Of course you can... but away from the Horizon. In other words - the closer you get... weaker the signal because of beam tilt. You can pick up Philly great above Connecticut etc. Same for FM radio.
Listening to FM radio works great on a plane but AM forget it to much noise. Maybe when AM goes all digital it may work good in the air. DAB Radio when I was in UK & Europe worked good. SiriusXM Satellite Radio works great also in a plane & when I went to UK I got signal just past Iceland before it went. Shortwave was surprising as I got some stations like WWV on 10000,15000 & 20000 kHz time signal & WTWW 9940 & 5085 kHz & few other stations with foreign language. -Cheers!
You'll never hear AM Broadcasts from an airplane, because AM broadcasts have VERY long wavelengths - like 180-500 meters!
There's no way those waves would get into those little windows.
@@1L6E6VHF AM was noisy for sure yes didn't get anything.
If u have been using JetBlue for a while their Tvs have DIRECTtv but only for 5-20 mins because of connection loss
Glad you came to Orlando,
tv is possible on a plane ... But what about FM radio stations ? since its analog but with fm the tuner will lock which ever stations signal is the stroingest.
for example in my area the fm broadcast band has been hot with e-skip and tropo-ducting . in a few cases ive picked up multiple stations on the same dial position aka frequency . 1 would drop and the next strongest would lock so on so fourth. even had a few cases where a station would overpower a local station for a few mins at a time that was coming in via e-skip or tropo .
a few weeks back on fm i cought a station all the way from south dakota while driving on the interstate at 70mph . and it had a strong signal that caused interference with another adjacent station on my factory toyota camery stereo. thats how i figured it was trop/e-skip the station was in a comercial break set . and i heard a phone number for a business i looked up the area code and sure enough it was from south dakota . the signal was so strong a few times that it interfered with the frequency 1 notch higher and lower of its freq.
I thought it is illegal to use any kind of broadcast receiver on an airplane because of the possibility of rf interference with the plane's radio and radar.
I got an antenna,. But can't find a tv guide. Cape coral fort Myers
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Tyler, you have only scratched the surface. Planes can talk for hundreds of miles on CB radio, aloft. An FRS radio might talk 10 miles. Some of the aircraft VHF AM transceivers can hear a mouse fart on the moon. Boat VHF FM radios will stretch from 25 miles to over 100. It comes as no surprise that you got great results. It's not just the curvature of the earth. It's the signal strength.
There have been instances of TV broadcast from helicopter. Doing so is expensive, but can reach a wider swath than terrestrial. Of course the plane's metal truncated quite a few signals. It's a lot like using a portable radio in a car -- but with a lot more emphasis. You got more than I would typically expect.
Interesting! Thanks for sharing!
A diversion if you need something during take off and landing.
First this is so cool, but I own an iPhone so I'll have to wait until ATSC 3.0 comes to it!
Lol, what's with the inverted pentagram?
It's the logo for the band in this moments
So they are satan worshippers?
@@chrisfrost1545A year late, but no. It's mainly for shock value.
Great video. Next time try an FM radio.
How about about doing a tv test in 1,000 foot tall building like the Willis tower in Chicago.
You're not wrong about The View. Glad you survived it.
For travel I always had a portable DVD
Hopefully you got your lost phone back.
Analog TV was just as good with TV in airplanes, as seen in some videos on RUclips.
I wouldn’t imagine it were possible!
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2:18 Nice
I guess it was not Miami's annual Ultra Music Festival unless you did a lot of driving from Orlando.
Interesting experiment.
I can confirm 68 is from Syr NY
Brilliant! But I have a question (actually two).
1. When you say the TV signal travels in a straight line do you mean it is polarized to a particular shape or are you saying it is impossible to pick up a channel when you are directly over the mast?
2. You mentioned about the speed the plane was traveling at. Are you saying that the Doppler effect prevents the signal from being sync'd? I've seen this mentioned somewhere before but I can't see how the speed of the plane relative to the mast would have any noticeable effect. I mean the speed of EM is 670,000,000 mph and the plane is 500 mph, which is a deviation of +/- 0.00007% depending on whether you're flying towards or away from the mast. Am I missing something?
i wonder what the reception is like on the international space station? lol cant be too good or 5 minutes of the view they'd crash it
Their ground speed is pretty high, so probably not much fun beyond that it works for a minute.
Dam kool lol i once picked up webe108 50.000 ft lol
See you are driving into Pittsburgh at the beginning of the video. The cool city of bridges and whacky one way streets. See you had 53 from Pittsburgh. Lol on your view on the View. That show is awful. I too have always been curious on if the OTA could be picked up on a plane. So this is a cool video you did and love the gadget you used. You said about WNEP having a strong signal. Curious if you ever were able to pick this channel up WNEP ABC 16 when you lived in State College? Although it was cable I remember, it seems to me that the ABC affiliates offered on the State College cable were both WATM and WNEP. However, this was 15 years ago when I worked in State College. Thanks for the video and the Mygica Tv tuner looks like a cool gadget for some experimenting.
WNEP used to be on cable in State College and operated an over the air repeater. Around 2012 they were dropped by the local cable company in favor of WATM in Altoona. They also shut down their repeater shortly after that
@@AntennaMan Thanks for the explanation on this as I often wondered what the deal was with WNEP 16 being shown in the State College area, especially when the station was all the way in Scranton home of "Dundler MIfflin". :)