Sovereign Citizens v. Judges: Most Bizarre Faceoffs in Court
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So-called “sovereign citizens” - people who believe US laws don’t apply to them - have seen their movement growing over the last several years. And that means police and the courts are dealing with them more and more. Law&Crime’s Jesse Weber takes a look at cases where defendants tried to use their “sovereignty” as a defense and were put in their place.
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"Some sovereign citizens may drive without a license"
C'mon, Jesse! Everyone knows that sovereign citizens don't drive...they travel!
😂😂 They need to be deported since they don't believe they are a U.S. citizen.
Best comment ever! And they're not commercial drivers.
Lol 😂
Congrats to her, she played herself.
😂😂😂😂😂
I was just thinking… if they truly believe they’re sovereign, why do they bother showing up in court at all?
- "(...) I'm not the living person!"
- "(...) if you were dead the case would be dismissed."
GENIUS!
They arent using the right words. He’s supposed to say “im a natural person” its word play just like the human book of law
ooooh I missed that. What time mark?
That one got me stared at in a waiting room because I yelled “Ha!” loudly.
@@garyreveljr4407 42:02 - Her entire section (which starts fairly earlier) is absolutely outstanding.
That was the best response from a judge EVER!
Judge Middleton nailed it when he called the defendant “a flat-Earther” 😂
The poor judges have to speak to them like they are toddlers.
If American's understood the power the actually possess. Some of us understand but most will never realize. Giving up your civic obligations is worst than not accepting a soldier coming home from war. Those soldiers DIED for you to have civic rights and duties.
@@MontyRoyal963 Sovcit?
@@Doncroft1 There is no such thing as a sovereign citizen . There is....
a SOVEREIGN STATE and that is the state that is adhering to public law under public acts
and there is a FOREIGN NATION which is adhering to private laws and acts of commerce
and there is a citizen and a citizen ALWAYS owes its allegiance to the LANDLORD.
@@MontyRoyal963 It was a yes or no question. You're rambling
So. That is a yes.
Sovereign Citizenship doesn't mean you're allowed to break the law. You know wtf it means.
That's what they think
It sounds from your comment that you have no idea what it means.
Wut? I don't think you know what you think it means.
It means you're a sovtard
Dang 30 days no early release, that judge wasn't playing. I get it.😄
As someone who works in the court system, I hate dealing with sovereign citizens. Not only are they aggravating, some are dangerous. I avoid them as much as possible.
I feel so sorry for anyone who has to deal with these entitled, scary individuals 😢
Were there Sovereign citizens back in the 70s and 80s? They seemed to just pop up out of nowhere.
Interesting. How are they dangerous? Thanks!
@@williezar2231 well, running over and killing people is pretty dangerous.
@@whyamIbeingarrested Indeed but what does that have to do with being a S.C.? Just because they are doesn't paint them to all be bad drivers.
If a court was awarded them money, I bet they would recognise the court’s ruling and position then.
If they believed what they say, they wouldn't be 1, clogging the judicial system with all their bogus paperwork, and, 2, stopping their 'vehicle conveyance' when a LEO is following them.
I kinda feel sorry for them😢 They’re mental illness is destroying their lives 😢
@@Kim-Berly200they’re not mentally ill, they just want to get out of paying taxes, fines, registrations etc.
Tbh i kinda like Judge Middleton. He held her accountable while still trying to guide her to better options. Absolute King
One of my favorite Judges everrrrr!!!!
Judges know that sovcits are looking at any opportunity to claim bias. Middleton gave every opportunity to explain to her the case. If she doesn't understand, that's on her. His patience with her is commendable.
No matter what country u inhabit u must follow by their laws no one is above any countries law.
Americans have an Ugly American attitude overseas, especially when there is alcohol involved. I don't know if the German law has changed since I was there, but if someone is suspected of driving while intoxicated, they will submit a blood test, voluntary or not.
OMG these ppl are insufferable. I rolled my eyes so far back i saw yesterday.
I rolled my eyes so hard that I could xheck out my own butt! Lol
Sorry judge I think the question to the lady is, "do you need a psychiatric evaluation"?
oh, that reminds me of a case where the judge ordered a competency test for the defendant. The defendant didn't turn up for the test; however, he brought his own test at the next competency hearing. Needless to say, it didn't fly with the judge. 😂
That would be a Rule 35 motion that the prosecution would have to make (at least under the civil procedure she loves so much). Similar under criminal procedure.
i was just waiting for her to start saying how if trump was president none of this would be happening....
This, my friends, is the Dunning Kruger effect in full force
Actually this is simply magistrates that don’t know the true law
@@izaiahshorten7609 do you not know what the dunning kruger effect is? Google is free.
Perfect description of these dumpster fire defenses.
I'm so happy that the soverign citizen movement exists, it provides us with so much entertainment!
It may be entertaining, but it's sad that more and more people believe they don't have to follow the rules. Innocent people are getting killed by them yet they truly believe they didn't do anything wrong.
Sov-cits the gift that keeps on giving 😂
They are so frustrating, yet entertaining!!
This defense has never worked anywhere, but they won't stop.
@@donna2.0designs It's like banging your head on a closed door, hoping it will open.
I do like watching g Judge J Middleton. He takes no rubbish from anyone .
To bad he couldn’t have been on the bench handling that DA Fani Willis
Her behavior wirh the officers alone should put her in jail.
“Flat Earth nonsense” 😂 Judge Middleton is awesome!
He is the only one who brought up flat earth....
The job of the judge is to be a hearer of Fact.
How is that a Fact to be tried?
It's demeaning. It's Libel
It's slander
Libel is a method of defamation expressed by print, writing, pictures, signs, effigies, or any communication embodied in physical form that is injurious to a person's reputation; exposes a person to public hatred, contempt or ridicule; or injures a person in their business or profession."
"Exposes a person to Public hatred"
Judge Middleton is a national treasure!
Slamming door therapy does work doesn't it
Middleton is one of my all time favorites!!!!
Middleton is wonderful!
Thank you
Judge Middleton for President!!!
I’m going to use this -
“Not going to play this “The Earth is Flat nonsense” 😂 😂😂
Brooks was not a sovereign citizen until after he was arrested.
Didnt work well for him.
Naw wasn't a sovereign until the trial was about to start. But I'm the dude he got that rap is happy he has a belly for the rest of his life
Weird story- In the early 90's the Sovereign Citizen movement was pretty big here. I knew a person that told me that we're only supposed to pay 2 cents to mail a standard letter. I didn't believe it so he sent me a letter via the USPS. The letter had several stamps referring the post office to read different codes. It also had a two one cent stamps. I should have saved it. I couldn't believe it worked. I still think the post office just let it go through so they didn't have to deal with the group coming in. :)
So these jerks are undermining the revenue of the US post office. There should be federal charges.
@@vitalucas9452 Right? That's what I remember thinking also but either they were correct about the law governing postage fees or like I said, they just didn't want to deal with it. I think most of them ended up moving out of the country for fear of getting locked up. I never agreed with them, I believe in paying my fair share.
I just mailed a postcard without a stamp. Forgot the stamp, made its way there. Sometimes things slip through.
When that happens in the UK the addressee has to pay the excess charge.
My favorite all time reply to a sov citizen. After he said he wasn’t a living person the judges reply, “if you were dead this case would be dismissed”.
Who got time to do this.I bet if they had no income they would apply for Government Benefits.
Of course they do. Sovcits are in favor of laws that benefit them and fight the ones that don’t.
They are mostly destitute and use government assistance, but that's ok to them.
You mean all the money the Government is giving to their buddies and large business?
That’s not necessarily true. My uncle’s dad tried to do the sovereign citizen thing like 25+ years ago by not paying all his taxes…. The guy was/is a multimillionaire and thought he figured out some loophole to not pay federal income tax. You better believe the IRS came for and got that money! 😂🤦♂️
How would they work? Work has rules.
I've seen a lot of these sovereign citizen cases come up, and 100% of the time it does not work to their favour with any form of legal proceeding. So why even try to bother with it if the success rate is actually 0%?
In the desperate hope they will be the exception
The problem is some cops and/or courts still don't know the best way to handle them, and/or some judges are too soft and/or their antics are seen as such a massive waste of time and money that their cases are just dismissed. The problem then is the sovcits crow from the rooftops of YT that their nonsense works. THAT is the real problem.
Oh, and they vote.
I didn’t think there was anything worse than a sovereign citizen but someone trying to be one and has no clue what they are talking about like that First Lady is hilarious 🤣
The fear shouldn't be the SovCitzes standing before the Bench, it should be the SovCitz who manage to sit on the Bench.
Do you know of one one the Bench?
Never gonna happen.
Seriously, do you know of one in any jurisdiction?
It isn't the court's responsibility to explain law to a Sovereign citizen. Their requirement is to ask a defendant whether or not they want an attorney. After that, the pro se should be left on his own.
An attorney is tied to the bar association which is the British accredited registry which makes all of them traitors violating the 13th title of nobility amendment. Also the true law is common law not statutes
Judges often do a court canvass before accepting a pro-se defense, primarily because the court is responsible for ensuring a fair trial for all parties. But they are also conscious of the possibility that the defendant may appeal any unwelcome decision on the basis that they didn’t understand the situation, consequences, etc.
Judges conspire with lawyers in order to give them an advantage all the time, not the least of which includes matters of 'foreclosure.'
"In propria persona is a Latin phrase meaning "for one's self." The phrase is used for a person who appears before a court or represents themself in absence of a lawyer. It is synonymous with the term pro se."
PRO SE...ALL CAPS.(CORPORATION-CORPSE)
In propria persona....The Sentient being
Mr Musgrow is a piece of work...he steals from his employer $68,000 of equipment and trys to cover up the crime but he says no victim.
oh he knows there is a victim all right.
I'm a sovereign citizen! I know the constitution and my rights and the law! By the way, judge, is this a criminal matter? Or is it civil? Not sure here, and my talking points memo doesn't say. Sorry!
😂😂😂
lol
If they feel like it is all a sham and that the court does not have jurisdiction over them, why show up to court in the first place?
Yes! If they truly believe what they are saying, they should just drive away at a traffic stop.
Because it's about staying in honor, something that they fail to teach lawyers but judges take incredibly seriously.
Judge Middleton is too patient, he should have refuse the deal and throw the book at her!!!!
These poor judges having to deal with these nut jobs!
Poor cops having to deal with these fools!
Truth sounds crazy when you’ve been lied to
Judges, police etc are there to provide for all people regardless of their attitudes or beliefs. They are simply doing their jobs...in the same way teachers work with whatever a child walks in the door with or the rubbish man who empties bins with whatever trash is in them. What walks in the door is their job. Sometimes it's like getting a reluctant cow to walk down the chute or getting an upset child to take medicine. Reminding them of their choices and refusing to be distracted by antics is the job.
So basically the prosecution wants to let her walk. Charges of her behavior should never have been dropped.
Absolutely. Their work is done by the defendant. Every word the defendant says is on the record. The hearings write themselves.
It's part of the strategy. They beat the system because nobody wants to deal with this BS
"Without shenanigans, well, its not meant to be" 😂
sovereign citizens should leave the country.
I work at Frederick Maryland corrections facilities and we've recently had a few Sovereigns defect cause they don't believe that the US has any jurisdiction over them and here you have to pay a fee to defect and when you're released you need a green card and everything else an immigrant would need we recently had a defector got arrested and flown off to Cuba so needless to say he's no longer a US citizen.
They should go back to the "Morish Empire" that they say they are citizens of. Sheep that Pay for that crap they spew!
They should move to Morocco 🇲🇦
Taj tarik bey @@Oona707
What country?
The UNITED STATES is a FEDERATION
I get really frustrated when I see judges somewhat enabling this mess rather than being firm. SC are notorious for contempt of court yet it's crazy to see so many judges just letting it fly.
Darrell brooks has to be the most insufferable person I have ever witnessed. That judge has the patience of a saint , and I am so grateful that he will not life outside a prison ever again.
The level of patience Judge Middleton has will always blow my mind. I'm glad he's in this role because I don't know very many people who wouldn't have lost their mind in that same position 😂 He's more than earned a long and happy retirement in a few years
That poor woman😂😂😂😂😂 so and so appearing for mr garner, mr garner appearing in what case blah blah blah, attorney 'withdrawing my name from the record' 😂😂😂😂
Ms. Cherika Harris is simply darling. So polite, kind, and precious. Every courtroom needs a Ms. Harris.
They’re just people who have a need for everything to be about them, from cornflakes in the morning to driving cars with no documentation. It’s a way to make everyone talk about them constantly. They don’t mind the laws when it suits them but that’s about it. They talk over anyone who defies bowing down to their points of view and unless it’s about them, they’re not interested.
What is going on in Michigan? It must be the water 😅
This craziness is so absurd it could easily be Florida 😅😅😅
Must be something in the Michigan water lol
It's happening everywhere, but Michigan puts more court cases online than other states so we see more of it. You're right, though, in a roundabout way - basically the same effect in the pre-internet gave us Florida man.
Judge Anzalone is my hero. I love how she just kept calmly shutting him down. You could tell the other attorneys were trying not to laugh.
Sov cits are 1gnorant entitled petulant children.
If they don't want to citizens here...they Are to go to other countries
Unfortunately this thinking is worldwide. People in other countries have tried using the US Constitution to get away with stuff.
No other country wants them.
"Iiii am withdrawing my name from the record on that one, thank you!"
Smart woman. Doesn't try to reason with them, just minimises her own fallout.
Who’s got the keys, throw them out and lock her up. See ya .
I work at Frederick Maryland corrections facilities and we've recently had a few Sovereigns defect cause they don't believe that the US has any jurisdiction over them and here you have to pay a fee to defect and when you're released you need a green card and everything else an immigrant would need we recently had a defector got arrested and flown off to Cuba so needless to say he's no longer a US citizen.
I take it he was not born a us citizen?Cuban
@@jayclark5912 he was born in Thurmont Maryland but most defectors go to Cuba
Give up US for Cuban citizenship..no thanks , not for me. Still proud to be an American even with its faults and failings.
@@jayclark5912 you're not even a legit Cuban citizen if you're deported there you won't have a chance at work or nothing which is why you need to pay a fee in order to defect to give people a second chance
@@jayclark5912The health care might be better.
Have there been any significant victories by any of these guys?
Winning a case on their own merits, no.
Every once in a great while a case will go on far too long due to the defendant stalling (hiring/firing attorneys, filing frivolous motions in regards to the case, etc.). It may be dismissed without prejudice, or temporarily dismissed. Criminal cases could be refiled in a different court, filed against others, or amended to include new charges. Still, they must be refiled before the applicable statute of limitations has expired.
Even a small technicality could dismiss a case such as a police officer failing to show up as a witness. The SovCits would call all of the above a 'win.'
Yes
24 hours in jail for contempt of court.
I’ve never heard of a sovereign citizen, this is all new to me! Are these people crazy or what?
Buckle up! Be prepared for an unusual "education" in wackadoodles!
Oh you have no idea.
100 percent. They are 1 step above flatearthers. Maybe less. A half step.
Yes
They are absolutely insane.
I love all these people who've never stepped in a law school class.
"I don't need no legal counsel" proves exactly how much she needs one.
I don’t understand how sovereign citizens get charges dropped for not having a license when regular law abiding citizens have to pay to have their licenses!! IDK who these laws were written for the criminals or LACs??
Once someone mentions Admiralty Law, Keel Hauling is available as a punishment.
I wonder where they would rather live because people won't want them around their communities and will not support them.
People can't take anymore BS from fractured people that are trying to divide us even more.
They need stricter laws when it comes to them!!!
We Need stricter Laws for criminals and clowns, PERIOD!
@@VelveteenRabbitinRedFern You need law.
That last lady was really, really confident she was right! The others, at least, sounded a bit unsure.
Too bad she didn’t focus on her dental health as much as she focused on protecting her rights when she breaks the law
I wouldn't want to have to deal w them..they need to grow up and respect our laws
Brooks has got to be the most disgusting sovereign citizen i have ever heard
Sovereign citizens remind me of the title of the old Firesign Theatre comedy album “Everything You Know is Wrong.”
"Whoa, this slots game is sooo addictive!" Yeah, that's called a gambling addiction, brother, you probably shouldn't mention that in an ad. But thank you for the honesty
The "I, woman Angela" sovereign citizen was in another video, where she got drunk and refused to leave a hotel. Police arrested her, and she promptly peed on herself in the car. Real prize, this one.
it reinforces how classy they are. They seem proud of their behavior.
I was going to write something about her, then saw your post. No more needs to be said about her after that 😂😂
Are you sure? I watched that video and I don't think its the same person. The obnoxious drunk lady was younger and more attractive. She wasn't a sovcit, just out of her skull on Brandy Alexanders.
@@ShizukuSeijisame woman. Definitely.
Another ULTRA ENTITLED SUPER KAREN bwahahaha
Sov-citizens are here for our entertainment, bless their hearts.
I really hope these people start to grow up and become sensible adults. Living in Australia 🇦🇺 this nonsense isn’t a thing that happens, mainly because we don’t have a Bill of Right or a constitution of rights. But this nonsense about being a woman, man or a thing is starting to make a show in our courts. I like how your judges set a line in the ground. They cost the courts huge dollars. And telling the Judge I can’t be there for my hearing unless you pay for my petrol and time, is something else. If they don’t like how the courts work, well don’t do the crime!!!!
It's you who needs to grow up and pay attention to your own law form! The concept of different forms of _person_ and the concept of "things" is well-established law. Get over yourself!
I've seen videos of SovCits in Australia and the UK spouting U.S. SovCit talking points.
I Absolutely Love watching Judges and The Police Own These Goofy Sovereign Citizens and Put Them in Their Place.
i don't think db was truly sovereign. i think he latched onto the concept and ran with it as his defense. he probably does believe in it because he's contrary but he's contrary in general.
The judge who handled Brooks case is a Saint in my opinion ❤😊
“I don’t need no legal counsel”-True!😂
Thank you for explaining why they believe what they believe. Have always wondered if they payed taxes, or even worked.
Great channel, great video. Subscribed.
The Judge is very kind.
FWIW, Michael Dagher-Margosian, the public defender in the Lenawee (read: len-away) County case is a lovely guy and one of the most skilled legal professionals I know of. I was lucky enough to interview him for a criminal justice class I took in college- entirely unrelated to my major, it was an elective, but he still was nice enough to spare some time for me. If he should see this video, hi and thanks from Louisiana, Michael!
If they truly believed that the courts have no jurisdiction over them, why did they show up and present when their names were called?
To honor what little law is left! Lol
They want attention more than anything else.
Love the videos, maybe reconsider the sponsor though? These gambling apps are insidious.
stop dismissing charges
Do people never think they should put in their teeth for court?
😂😂😂😂
😅😅😅
All four of these videos were from Michigan.
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Ya, this RUclips channel is trash.
It's fun though
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Judge Anzalone was perfect! None of that is right, or valid, you aren't getting out of this no matter what you don't understand or agree with!
This is THE BEST VIDEO I have seen in months!!! I have not laughed this much in a long time. I am sad it’s almost over for me but I will be searching for more Sovereign Citizen BS!!!!
From what I heard,Durrel Brooks wasn't really a sovcit. He picked it up while he was in jail awaiting trial.
I saw “ I woman Angela”. She got arrested at a hotel , raging drunk and performing whoop whoop. She’s nuts
I wish there was a way to know how these cases ended. It’s so frustrating listening to their word salad. I feel like I need to be rewarded by seeing their smug behinds getting sentenced to jail time.
Darrel Brooks didn't actually believe it would work. He wanted to be held in contempt and go back to his cell (like he screamed several times while being dragged to the other courtroom) so that the trial couldn't proceed and eventually have to be dropped. He told his mother that on a recorded call from jail.
Its like hearing that the walking off cliffs movement has grown in popularity over the years; it clearly has the same adverse results for everyone yet even MORE people try it. 😂
Victims Should Always Have The Right To Not Accept Any Plea Bargain. Lets Give The Victim's a 90% and 10% To The Criminals. This Makes Alot More Sense
Please do follow ups on these cases. We would love to see the outcomes.
dismissing anything would be setting a precedence for future cases.
I LOVE Judge Anzalone!!
Mr Musgrove: What I'm understanding is the courts are a for-prof......".
Judge: I know where you're going with this, and it's not law, it's not valid
Him: I'm not the all-caps name
Judge: Doesn't matter. None of that is valid, none of that is law, you are standing in my courtroom, I have jurisdiction over you.
Him: I tried to file paperwork with the clerks office ahead of time, so you would have time to review it, and they denied me.
Judge: I know what you are talking about. None of that is valid under the law of the State of Michigan, or the Constitution of the United States of America.
Him: Him: LOL! Whadda ya mean? The Supreme Court says it is.
"Still a crime"!
"Still a crime"!
So you're sayin'..... "Still a crime"!
Blabady, blabbedy blah. LOL!
I refuse to believe that current state of civilization that they would continue to contrive this idea that driving is a privilege.It's a necessity
Judge Middleton is THE BEST!!
I love Judge Middleton!
I think that was a Christmas Parade.
Absolutely hilarious.
I don’t have a problem with someone representing themselves, but I do not agree with defendants interviewing victims or their families of violent crimes (assault, abuse, stalking, etc.).
Defendants should be required to have a defense attorney for victim interviews.
Imagine the trauma of victims and their families being interviewed by that monster, Darrel Brooks.
I do not agree with capital punishment except for cases like his.
Judge Middleton, she doesn't need a lawyer, she needs a psychiatrist.