Are You Watching the Wrong Videos?
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- Опубликовано: 14 дек 2024
- If you're wanting to learn to draw, here are two common types of drawing videos I would not watch. It's not a criticism of what they do, but rather the simple recognition that these formats do not help us learn to draw nearly as effectively as other types of drawing videos will. If my time is limited and my goal is to learn to draw, these two types are best passed over in favour of other videos which will more directly help me.
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Yes! A reference photo allows you to compare your interpretation or approach to the tutorialist's rendering, and learn from that.
Absolutely 😀
One popular method to learn to draw the head is the Loomis method. I've see videos claiming to teach the Loomis method but are noting but a geometry lessons disguised as drawing. When watching instruction that goes like "use your ruler to draw this line in that angle, and then that line in this angle. Then draw an ellipse here" etc you start wondering what the hack all this has to do with drawing a head.
What exactly is it you are supposed to learn from this?
If you go to the original source (and there is no excuse you should not as it is available online) and read Andrew Loomis book "How to draw the head and hands" it is clear he never meant the method to be The Method to draw but a starting point to get a feeling for the proportions and the form, and once you know this you can discard the method, and use your own landmarks, i.e. method, to construct a face.
Thanks Stephen! Another great video. I started drawing regularly in September and have managed to do a little something every day since then. I am over 50 I should add but do love learning new skills. I am absolutely certain it would not have happened without your channel and your videos (the back catalogues of 5min/10min playlists alone are one heck of a resource). Your learning approach is exemplary and I feel hugely positive about my progress. And, of course, most importantly, how ever I draw, I am having fun. 😀😀
(PS do you have a Patreon or other option to help support your work on a regular basis.)
That’s very kind of you to say and do, most encouraging for me. If you message me via my website (same name) I can give you my PayPal name. Really pleased you keep finding the fun in this. 😀
Oops. Was being rather dozy there and forgot to drag the slider to the right first time. Thanks Stephen!!!!
Even more kind of you. Again, much appreciated 😀
I couldn't agree more, I am lucky that I can sort of draw, however, I enjoy watching videos that show various drawing methods but it kind of annoys me when you don't see the reference image!! However, I would recommend people draw from real life where possible it could just be a matchbox or mug. Practice, practice, practice and you will improve at the end of the day it is muscle memory and hand-to-eye coordination. It really doesn't matter if you make mistakes no one ever learnt a thing without making mistakes. Sometimes it takes me ages to rough out something in my sketchbook and the next day it's far easier we are all different and we all learn in different ways. Just practise and keep practising start with an old envelope and a pencil if you want that's how the mini was first designed.
Drawing from life is harder because it is a 3D to 2D translation we have to do. A photo is already 2D. So drawing from life can be more challenging at first, but it can also help you establish stronger skills from the start. Thanks for sharing your experience 😀
Well said! I am from an age when there were absolutely no video classes of anything. Now, there are such a variety of them in just about any topic you can imagine. I have learned the hard way that not all of these sessions are equal and that I can’t possibly watch them all. When I choose a subject matter, I try to select the best of several and limit myself to no more than two to three sources of information. These video classes all lack one important thing; the ability to see my work and progress and to critique me in my personal approach and result. It’s not a two way process. In my learning experiences, the feedback and “grading” of my work was the only way for me to gauge my aptitude of the subject. The “All art is good art “ opinion is simply not true in my opinion. Yes, subjective, but not infinitely open to all methods of interpretation. I picked you because I appreciate your work and would feel accomplished if I could do the same. We are all mimicking someone in most everything we do. The trick is having the discernment to pick the right influencers. Thanks for all of your videos. They are truly helpful. I think I picked well when I found you among the hundreds. 😊
Interesting. I keep telling my students to avoid tracing and yet some actually cheat at this and think I can’t tell. Translating is a good term for “drawing from” or getting the essence of the subject. I think I’ll use that in my lectures. I do agree that drawing along without understanding how the process or basics does not move the skill needle - it’s a passive task.
Yes. Inking over a pencil underdrawing can have the same wooden effect as well if we’re not careful, even if we drew the pencil freehand. Hope you let your students know about my channel. 😀
3:00 I agree but the reference maybe caused video copyright strike
the other reason for most people is to pretend to be professional and feed the illusion for the idea say the artist the pro artist not use reference and just draw from imagination
I take my own photos so copyright is not a problem for me ( and I allow people to draw the photos I use in my videos and post on my Community Page). But yes, if we draw a photo without the photographer’s permission, we have broken copyright. Haha, yes, I once thought everyone else drew from their imagination as their references were never shown or talked about - even more common in pre internet days. 😀
I think there is a purpose to these videos - but it's primarily an *unintended* one about the draftsmanship taking place. The observations you'd be making are "how do they hold the pen? What direction do they use for the line? Do they rotate the paper?" and so on. I think this is a useful introduction, if the student aims to imitate those motions to gain familiarity. Students start out markmaking using the motor skills they already have, which will be based on how they write. This leads to some early habits that are based on their writing - drawing very small, weakness in certain directions of lines, etc. Observing and copying proficient motions is a warmup that gets them out of their writing habits and helps with switching tools, like going from marker to brush, or ballpoint to nib. This is productive since the skills of drawing have to be isolated out and built up in detail, then put together into a whole - they aren't different from how we learn sports or playing music.
However, the videos never call attention to *that* - they muddle the issue by talking over it, zooming in too closely to see the hands, editing things out to shorten the runtime, or pushing attention to markmaking in the abstract, with more synthetic exercises. It wasn't until quite a ways into my own learning that I realized that something could be gained from studying the motion of a completed drawing closely.
Very good point about the pen holding, thanks for sharing it with us. Of course we can observe those things equally on a video where we can see the reference 😀
i apselutly agree with your explanation, that was my problem 2 watching 2 hour video's and just one 5 second tip was the only thing of the 2 hour waste of time.
How frustrating. Hope it’s all sorted now for you. 😀
So good! True!
Thanks. 😀
Pedagogy vs. Androgogy? Children can learn by observation and repetition. Adult learners more often need the "Why" behind foundational principles. Excellent point regarding the synthesis of varied inputs to the process and learned responses to those inputs to enable "translation" into personalized visual language! Amen...and hallelujah!!!
Couldn’t agree more. Wasted so much time on demo videos with no context.
It takes experience to realise the problem with these videos. All the best with your drawing 😀
Could you be so kind to explicitly define what you mean with "coping" from a reference?
I think he means ''copying'', aka observation drawing, sticking to the reference.
@@MrStrides Thanks for your input, but I'd want to know what Travers mean with it before I decided if I agree with him or not.
As it is now, what he say does not make any sense to me, which suggest I did not get it right.
I meant to say copying. One of my long COVID brain fog issues is using a similar but wrong word. Usually I pick up on it while I’m recording, or failing that when I edit. This one slipped through. Sorry for the confusion. 😀
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Stephen travers is the goat of art channels
That wasn’t the point of the video Jayden, but I appreciate your kind comment 😀