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  • Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
  • This video considers the reaction to and legacy of Jim Bouton's Ball Four, published in 1970.

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  • @tsubakisanjuro1
    @tsubakisanjuro1 Год назад +128

    I strongly recommend the audiobook version, read by Bouton himself. Adds an extra emotional, human dimension to the book.

    • @Classicrocker6119
      @Classicrocker6119 Год назад +3

      The audio version of Jim reading the book does sound interesting. Thanks so much for the referral.

    • @georgeduarte8627
      @georgeduarte8627 Год назад +1

      Huh audiobook I’ll have to look into it.

    • @crawford323
      @crawford323 Год назад +2

      Just bought it!

    • @pedrofava20
      @pedrofava20 Год назад +1

      Hey, where can I find this audio version??

    • @papadopp3870
      @papadopp3870 Год назад +5

      @@Classicrocker6119 Trust me, if you love JB, you have to hear it. As he reads you can hear him relive the experiences… he chuckles at the same places that the book had put you on the floor with laughter when you first read the book. Ball Four is the world’s funniest English language book.

  • @jbrinkerhoff54
    @jbrinkerhoff54 Год назад +52

    I used to babysit Jim and Bobby’s kids in the late 60s and 70s. They were good people. I remember his tapes of the accounts of his stories for the book. He gave me a copy when it was published. It was sad that he was so maligned by many in the profession because of his book. Great job on this piece; thank you!

    • @thebaseballprofessor
      @thebaseballprofessor  Год назад +5

      Thanks for sharing.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад +3

      Didn’t know that, thanks for Sharing, I enjoyed reading Ball Four myself., it was great to read and Laugh out Loud Funny!!!

    • @skunkygrogan6956
      @skunkygrogan6956 Год назад +2

      THAT was some fantastic privilege!

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      @@skunkygrogan6956 Agreed!!!

    • @jacksmith5692
      @jacksmith5692 Год назад

      Wow that was awesome. Jim used to respond to me on his website all the time and was great and actually remembered me and what a down to earth guy. I wrote to him one time Jim watch Marvin Miller will pass away and then they will put him in the HOF and he really became passionate and said so true Jack it's an outrage and of course that is what happened! Same with Alex Karras in the NFL. He was clearly a HOF player and dies in 2012 and around 2021 finally made it.
      Big Deal!
      At least the Yankees finally brought Jim back to Old Timers Day but it took his Son writing in the NY Times about his Sisters tragic death to make it happen!
      Bouton and I didn't agree on everything politically but that is ok. Honest debate and a difference in opinions is a good thing, not a bad thing. Bouton was a good dude!

  • @dirtylemon3379
    @dirtylemon3379 Год назад +61

    I was a 14-year old baseball fan when this book came out. It had a huge impact on me. It was hilarious. In school all the guys read it and we would sit in the cafeteria during lunch and discuss it like it was some epic literary classic. In the long run it was good for us kids because it smashed the phony hero worshipping of ball players and let us start to think more realistically. Pound that Bud.

    • @warlordofbritannia
      @warlordofbritannia Год назад +6

      *nods in Joe Schultz*
      “Shitfuck”

    • @rllapte
      @rllapte Год назад +6

      I graduated HS in 72 so I was a couple years older when I read Ball Four. As Dirty Lemon says, the book was full of hilaroius accounts and it was equally credible, revealing and constructively influential. A truly excellent groundbreaking read.

    • @dangreene3895
      @dangreene3895 Год назад +7

      Another Book along the same lines only about football is North Dallas Forty by Pete Gent , it is a thinly veiled account of the Dallas Cowboys in the 1960's

    • @brianwilliams8635
      @brianwilliams8635 Год назад +4

      Man, I could have written this comment myself, word-for-word! I was 15 years old in 1970. Amazing how we got mesmerized by the book. What did that say about our culture? I have always been a Ball Four promoter, but the older I get, the more I see that Bouton wrote this book largely out of a wellspring of bitterness. He was on top of the world, then he got the sore arm. You can tell in the book that he always considered himself a Yankee.

    • @papadopp3870
      @papadopp3870 Год назад +3

      @@brianwilliams8635 Hey, Brother, I hear you. Ball Four infected a certain segment of my high school team in ‘72. There were four or five of us who had higher intellectual aspirations than pee distance competitions. There was a definite, tangible line between us (all pitchers and catchers) and those knuckledraggers (only one of whom was a pitcher, a cro-magnon lefty with 90 mph speed and absolutely no control).)
      I remember playing a high school game and hearing my buddy, Jimmy C (RIP, bro) call from across the visitors dugout. He was leaning on the ledge, craning his neck around the corner to look back in the stands.
      “Hey, D, scope me!”
      While some of us were trying to copy the Yankee slugger’s swing, Jimmy C was Shooting Beavers at Ogden High School- just like Mickey Mantle!

  • @jaykay6387
    @jaykay6387 Год назад +23

    Read it when I was 13 and have never forgotten it. Many of the stories and anecdotes from it I carry with me to this day (not only the outlandish ones, of which there are many). Bouton
    was a gifted storyteller, keenly observant and highly intelligent. For a baseball player, he was like an "Einstein", and that did not go over well with the vast majority of other ballplayers.
    He's been one of my heroes ever since.

    • @mikejohnson5900
      @mikejohnson5900 Год назад +1

      So funny. True story: today I was driving by the local junior college's ball field and I remembered the quote from Mickey Mantle after he got up and hit a home run whilst suffering from a vicious hangover,: "those people will never know hard that was!".

    • @jaykay6387
      @jaykay6387 Год назад +2

      @@mikejohnson5900 I remember that quote as well. And as JB said, if Mantle had been loosening up with the boys at the bar a little less, maybe he could have had an even better and longer career. But, we all have demons, Mantle no exception. He feared an early death like his father, and I think that was his way of coping with everything.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      Ball Four was great to read, and laugh out loud funny!!!!

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      @@jaykay6387 You’re right about that, I do remember reading that Mantle had so many injuries throughout his career!!!

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      @@mikejohnson5900 Thanks for Sharing!!!!

  • @thomasanderson215
    @thomasanderson215 Год назад +31

    Ball Four is one of my favorite books of all time. I wrote Bouton before he died, over forty years after the first time I had read it, to let him know. He wrote me back a hand-written nice note. RIP, Jim.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад +1

      Thanks for Sharing!!!

    • @r.edward5701
      @r.edward5701 Год назад +1

      First I heard of it was from. This video. I'll definitely give it a read

    • @dales769
      @dales769 Год назад +1

      I had a similar experience. Jim was a great human being. RIP!!

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад +1

      @@r.edward5701 It’s very good to read!!!!

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      @@dales769 Yes indeed, and I enjoyed reading Ball Four myself, it was great to read and Laugh out Loud Funny!!!!

  • @skunkygrogan6956
    @skunkygrogan6956 Год назад +5

    This classic work changed baseball forever- for the better.....

  • @stonesinmyblood27
    @stonesinmyblood27 Год назад +32

    I read when I was 13 and it changed my perception of baseball for the better. Realising players were human made me forgive them for failing, like the 1973 Mets. All my friends read it too

    • @warlordofbritannia
      @warlordofbritannia Год назад +2

      One would think being a Mets fan would assure you how mortal ballplayers are 😂

    • @chrishall6419
      @chrishall6419 Год назад +3

      I read it when I was about 20...frankly I didn't see what the big deal was...those guys weren't pumping up their arms and brains on steroids...they were just like guys I went to school with...we are human...we will misbehave occasionally...

    • @kdwaynec
      @kdwaynec Год назад +2

      @@chrishall6419 I finally read it about 8 years ago. Kept waiting for the "big reveal" but it never happened. Funny book but yes, no big deal.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      Loved reading Ball Four myself, it was great to read, and laugh out loud funny, and Manager Joe Schultz was quite the character in it!!!

    • @BigLar56321
      @BigLar56321 Год назад +2

      @@kdwaynec It was more impactful reading it as an adolescent who worshiped ball players back in those days.

  • @dalefc9331
    @dalefc9331 Год назад +9

    I'm a Brit and I love the book, I reread it almost every year. I lent it to my dad who knows and cares nothing about baseball, but he still loved the book because it's so much more than a sports book. Bouton had great observational skills and made hilarious anecdotes out of the mundane. It's so innocent compared to the tell all exposes of today, but none the worse for that.

    • @bobtaylor170
      @bobtaylor170 Год назад +2

      It's one of the funniest books ever written, and does a great job of capturing the Zeitgeist of the era. It has always frustrated me that Robert Altman didn't make a movie of it right after MASH. The Kurt Russell of the early 70s would have been perfect casting as Bouton.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад +1

      I enjoyed reading Ball Four myself, it was great to read, and Laugh out Loud Funny!!!

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      @@bobtaylor170 You’re right about that!!!

  • @jacksmith5692
    @jacksmith5692 Год назад +8

    Great guy who corresponded with me probably 15 times over the years. His book along with The Glory of Their Times about the Deadball era are my go to books to start my season every spring. I read each to get my mind ready for the long season and Ball Four still causes me to laugh out loud.
    RIP Jim and so many of your teammates who have passed away.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад +1

      Ball Four was great to Read, and Laugh out Loud Funny!!!

    • @jacksmith5692
      @jacksmith5692 Год назад +1

      @@adamdorgant9454 There were so many like Schultz looking at a HS clubhouse kid's biology book and he says hey look a picture of a cunt and then says hey boys don't forget to pound those homemade cookies.
      Another is a guy is banging a chick in a pickup truck outside the stadium and a guy drives up congratulating him not realizing he was getting laid. He says shit I thought he was going to ask for my autograph.
      Another was they are in the team bus driving through NYC if I remember and they see a statue that says erected in like 1929 or some far away date and then someone say's that's some erection!

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      @@jacksmith5692Or this Joe Schultz,up and at em, Fuck em all, let it all hang out!!!!

  • @greenshoesguy1
    @greenshoesguy1 Год назад +41

    Jim Bouton went to college at Western Michigan University before being called up to the majors. My grandfather was Bouton’s roommate for a year at WMU, and Bouton and my grandfather both passed away a couple months apart in 2019.

    • @djquinn11
      @djquinn11 Год назад +2

      Broncos

    • @TheStuport
      @TheStuport Год назад +1

      Awesome share my man....very much appreciate these "behind the scenes" trivia and history! Cheers Bruddah From REDS Country!

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад +1

      Thanks for Sharing!!!

    • @timothyhastings5933
      @timothyhastings5933 Год назад +2

      My dad was his catcher at WMU.

    • @TheStuport
      @TheStuport Год назад +1

      @@timothyhastings5933 WOWZERS....That is some serious Trivia! Was curious to know Timothy if your Dad tried to pursue his passion of the game after College possibly? Very stoked to read what you shared! Cheers From Ohio

  • @charlesandrews2360
    @charlesandrews2360 Год назад +13

    I was a 12-year-old lifelong baseball fanatic when that book was published.
    It was so subversive that I had to read it.
    Didn't change the way I felt about baseball but it was very entertaining

  • @markamytraver5762
    @markamytraver5762 3 месяца назад +2

    My Mom was just happy that I read a book. I almost have it memorized. It made the players human. It was so sad he lost his daughter.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 2 месяца назад

      It was sad for him to Lose his Daughter!!!!

  • @senior_ranger
    @senior_ranger Год назад +11

    Well done. I knew him and liked him!! Good guy.

  • @alonenjersey
    @alonenjersey Год назад +3

    The man autographed my hard cover book at a Yankee Fan Fest nearly 20 years ago.

  • @kmac1766
    @kmac1766 Год назад +5

    This American boy loved baseball & absolutely loved Jim Bouton’s book. ❤️

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      I enjoyed reading Ball Four myself, it was great to read, and laugh out loud funny!!!!

  • @iwishiwaschrismacavoy8116
    @iwishiwaschrismacavoy8116 Год назад +11

    You make incredible content. Your history of baseball lecture series was great, keep it up

  • @jmad627
    @jmad627 Год назад +5

    My dad's cousin, Fritz Petersen, was Bouton's roommate on the Yankees.

    • @jmad627
      @jmad627 Год назад +2

      @Commander Cecil McBragg the wife swapping thing is what most people remember. They’ve remained married. But he was one of the few real good players during those years they were terrible. This is when I became a Yankee fan.

    • @jamesanthony5681
      @jamesanthony5681 Год назад +3

      Peterson was a pretty good pitcher on the Yanks during their dark period, mid '60's to early '70's.
      Here's Bowie Kuhn on the Fritz Peterson and Mike Kekich wife swapping in 1973:
      “I deplore what happened and am appalled at its effect on young people,” Kuhn said, breaking a two‐week silence on Fritz Peterson and Mike Kekich. “I have no plans to take any action because I feel the administrative powers of my office do not reach a matter of this kind." Good lord! Kuhn went on to say at a later period that, "It was bad for baseball."
      I miss Bowie. Kuhn's first move in responding to anything that he deemed controversial was to stick his foot in his mouth.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад +1

      Thanks for Sharing!!!

  • @Andosan
    @Andosan Год назад +2

    I've just started reading Ball Four for the 1st time. Stoked!

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      Loved reading it myself, it was great to read and Laugh out Loud Funny!!!!

  • @joeylocognato2198
    @joeylocognato2198 Год назад +8

    Being born in July 1996, I never read the book. But will do so as soon as possible. I wanted to contact this man when I watched the video, then found out he passed away, in 2019. Great video sir! Nicely done.

    • @johnstrawb3521
      @johnstrawb3521 Год назад +2

      Haven't reread Ball Four in a long time, but I remember it as a revelation at a time when baseball was pitched to fans as a wholesome collection of happy ballplayers striving to give their all, all the time. Well written, too, but that's only a recollection from when I was a less discriminating reader. Bouton seemed like a genuinely good guy, though, trying for years to salvage minor league baseball in Pittsfield, Massachusetts. Enjoy!

    • @joeylocognato2198
      @joeylocognato2198 Год назад +2

      @@johnstrawb3521 Thank you sir, I will. You are correct: he seemed like a good, funny , sarticulaate guy. I appreciate your input , God bless you.

    • @bobtaylor170
      @bobtaylor170 Год назад +1

      Don't let this one slip away amid all of the overload of life, Joey. It's one of the funniest books I've ever read.

    • @joeylocognato2198
      @joeylocognato2198 Год назад +2

      @@bobtaylor170 I promise you I will read from cover to cover , once I aquire the book.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад +1

      @@bobtaylor170 I enjoyed reading Ball Four myself, it was great to read, and Laugh out Loud Funny, and Joe Schultz was quite a character in it!!!!

  • @bernardoconnor1502
    @bernardoconnor1502 Год назад +10

    Bouton was a sportscaster in New York in the 70's. He had a great sense of humor when he did his reports. He came to my town for a celebrity softball game, I got to talk to him for a couple of minutes and he signed my copy of Ball Four. He also did a short lived sitcom about a minor league team during those years.

  • @carltyson4393
    @carltyson4393 Год назад +3

    Nicely done. Jim Bouton was an interesting guy. He became a really good speaker and I had the pleasure of having him talk to the sales staff for my company. He was great. He had so many interesting and funny stories, but he also had a great message about the importance of perseverance and that the difference between winning and losing was most often not huge. Smart and funny.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      I enjoyed reading Ball Four myself, it was great to read, and Laugh out Loud Funny!!!!!

  • @michaelinminn
    @michaelinminn Год назад +5

    Well made post.
    Thanks

  • @garym5707
    @garym5707 Год назад +3

    I absolutely loved Ball Four as a 15 year old and the book turned me on to the game. Made my dad get me a subscription to the “Sporting News.” As I got older I realized how good a book it really was - poking holes in the mythological facade that was baseball made the game all the more fascinating and the players more human. I have Jim’s autograph and still love the game to this day.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      Ball Four was great to read, and laugh out loud funny!!!!

  • @BigLar56321
    @BigLar56321 Год назад +1

    I appreciate this commentary on Ball Four. I was one of those young American boys that devoured that book when it came out, and I recall loving it for many reasons, including the ribald humor and inside baseball anecdotes. It really made the game that much more real, and the players - my heroes - seem that much more accessible. Kudos to Jim Bouton. Sad to learn that he died, but he left an indelible mark on the game he and many others of us loved.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      I enjoyed reading Ball Four myself, it was great to read, and Laugh out Loud Funny, and manager Joe Schultz was quite a character in it!!!!

  • @phildicks4721
    @phildicks4721 Год назад +2

    Ball Four and his revised edition is my favorite baseball memoir. I reread it every year. I even have a Jim Bouton Baseball Card from 1965.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      Good to know, I enjoyed reading Ball Four myself, it was great to read and Laugh out Loud Funny!!!

  • @jrcpac1
    @jrcpac1 Год назад +3

    I'll never forget seeing the Seattle Pilots playing in Boston in August 1969. I don't know how many times I have read Ball Fall, but I greatly enjoy it each time that I do.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад +1

      I enjoyed reading Ball Four myself, it was great to read, and laugh out loud funny!!!

  • @jhandle4196
    @jhandle4196 Год назад +2

    When I read this headline, had the book not been "Ball 4" that my dad recommended I read not long after its release, I was surely going to post that it had the most impact.
    You nailed it, Professor.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      I enjoyed reading Ball Four myself, it was great to read and Laugh out Loud Funny!!!!

  • @pneulancer
    @pneulancer Год назад +2

    Great synopsis of the book, the man and the times he lived and played in. My dad had that book when I was a kid. He didn't want me to read it at first; said I wouldn't like it. But as a little league player I did anyway. It was just as fantastic as you described! Thanks for posting!

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      I enjoyed reading Ball Four myself, it was great to read, and Laugh out Loud Funny, and manager Joe Schultz was quite the character in It!!!!

  • @stvinney
    @stvinney 2 месяца назад +2

    Fun fact, the creator of "The Wire"... this was his favorite book. I think it's what inspired him to write if i remember right

  • @danieljewell780
    @danieljewell780 Год назад +2

    Great job. Read Ball Four 4 times. Opened my eyes as a kid. Im 63 now. I still use its ideology in my life. You nailed it as best you could in a short timeline. Thank you!
    Catfish Hooker 🐈🐟J

    • @thebaseballprofessor
      @thebaseballprofessor  Год назад +1

      Thanks for the comment!

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      @@thebaseballprofessorYes indeed!!!!

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      Ball Four was great to read, and Laugh out Loud Funny, and Manager Joe Schultz was Quite the Character in it!!!

  • @vaseevol
    @vaseevol Год назад +3

    I didn’t read the book until it came out in paperback but I loved it so much that I kept it. Years later Bouton was pitching in Knoxville, TN as he was trying to get control of the knuckleball and get back to the majors. One of my cousins was married to a player on the roster with Bouton in Seattle and mentioned a couple of times in the book and he and I went to see him and I took my book which Bouton autographed. A couple of days later my cousin brought me an autographed hardcover that Bouton had sent me. My son has it now.

    • @thebaseballprofessor
      @thebaseballprofessor  Год назад +2

      Neat story and thanks for sharing. When I had mlb.tv a few years ago, I would make a very effort to watch RA Dickey pitch because I like to watch knuckleballers work. Also, I knew how long RA Dickey struggled in the minors before he figured out how to throw the pitch effectively. Every outting for him was a victory of sorts.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      Thanks for Sharing!!!!

  • @MoonlightGrahamCracker
    @MoonlightGrahamCracker 6 месяцев назад +1

    The book is just funny, every paragraph ends with a funny quip of Bouton’s. I understand why some players were annoyed, but really it was team owners, GMs, managers, coaches who came out looking bad. I would bet most players who were mentioned in it now appreciate it and appreciate being a part of it.

    • @thebaseballprofessor
      @thebaseballprofessor  6 месяцев назад +1

      Great comments. Nearly every paragraph ends with a funny quip. Bouton has a genius for seeing the humor and humanity in everything around him whether it's being sent to the minor leagues or told not to practice his knuckleball by Sal Maglie. I can't imagine any of his teammates who might've been sore about the book in 1970 would feel the same in 1990.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 4 месяца назад

      It was great to read, and Laugh Out Loud Funny!!!!!

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 4 месяца назад

      @@thebaseballprofessorTrue!!!!

  • @mpojr
    @mpojr Год назад +2

    im 75 now but when l was a kid living in Amarillo watched Jim Bouton pitch for the Amarillo Goldsox a farm club to the New York Yankees

    • @thebaseballprofessor
      @thebaseballprofessor  Год назад +1

      Pretty amazing that he retired from pro ball and then set out to make the show again as a knuckleball pitcher.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      That’s Awesome, thanks for Sharing!!!

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      @@thebaseballprofessorTrue!!!

  • @jimringomartin
    @jimringomartin Год назад +2

    Great job Professor. Love videos that display a care for content over the presenters personal "No, look at me!!!" And this really takes me back, with a much better knowledge of this books impact. Thank you sir!

  • @warlordofbritannia
    @warlordofbritannia Год назад +18

    My favorite story from Ball Four is about how, on the way to the game, the team bus stops by a statue with a plaque stating “erected in 1890.”
    Naturally, one of the players points it out and suggests “that musta been one helluva erection.”

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад +4

      Yes, now that you mentioned it, it was pretty funny!!!!

    • @jacksmith5692
      @jacksmith5692 Год назад +1

      How about the one about the ballplayer having sex in a car or something and a fan drives up and starts chatting. The guy says something like Christ I thought he was going to ask for my autograph! Oh man so funny or the roommate spying from the closet as his buddy was having sex with some local talent! Yeah sure!
      I read Ball Four every March to get ready for the new season and it never gets old. I'm getting ready to break it out and read it again and I'm ready for a new season to start! I told Jim that on his website and he was so happy to read it and respond back to me.
      What a great guy!

    • @jacksmith5692
      @jacksmith5692 Год назад +1

      How about the one about the ballplayer having sex in a car or something and a fan drives up and starts chatting. The guy says something like Christ I thought he was going to ask for my autograph! Oh man so funny or the roommate spying from the closet as his buddy was having sex with some local talent! Yeah sure!
      I read Ball Four every March to get ready for the new season and it never gets old. I'm getting ready to break it out and read it again and I'm ready for a new season to start! I told Jim that on his website and he was so happy to read it and respond back to me.
      What a great guy!

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад +1

      @@jacksmith5692Ball Four was great to read, and Laugh out Loud Funny!!!!😂😂😂😂😂

    • @jacksmith5692
      @jacksmith5692 Год назад +1

      @@adamdorgant9454 100% accurate and true. Joe Schultz alone was a riot!

  • @merccadoosis8847
    @merccadoosis8847 Год назад +2

    Great report.
    A few years later, "tell all" books became the fashion with many players. In fact, Jim's book was rather tame by comparison.
    He worked as a TV sports journalist for WCBS in NYC and did a good job.
    He was quite accomplished both on and off the field.

  • @richk3135
    @richk3135 Год назад +2

    Great re-visit of the book that got me interested in pleasure reading. Loved Ball Four, and Bouton was a fascinating guy.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      Loved reading Ball Four myself, it was great to read, and laugh out loud funny, and Joe Schultz was quite the character in it!!!!!

  • @willm3027
    @willm3027 Год назад +35

    This is how life is.. you work hard to get your chance and then when you get to the top, it’s just a bunch of kids. I’m in the medical field and it frightens me how things are run by kids… it’s just older folks with the managerial roles which makes it look professional.

  • @phildicks4721
    @phildicks4721 Год назад +4

    One of his former teammates on the Seattle Team commented to him in one of his revised editions, when Jim told him all he had done since leaving baseball. The teammate said something like " You see, that is why they still hate you. You keep hustling, keep thinking. They can't keep you down!"
    Now I'm going to have to find my copy and reread it again. I hope all the pages are still together. I think over the years I've wore out at least three copies of his book.

    • @dales769
      @dales769 Год назад +1

      The final paragraph is so profound and beautiful.

    • @dales769
      @dales769 Год назад +1

      The final paragraph of Ball Four.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      I enjoyed reading Ball Four myself, it was great to read, and Laugh out Loud Funny!!!!

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      @@dales769 Yes, now that you mentioned it!!!

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      @@dales769True!!!

  • @SGBassplayer
    @SGBassplayer 4 месяца назад +2

    Great video about a tremendous book; probably the only reason anyone remembers the Seattle Pilots at all (they left Seattle DURING SPRING TRAINING the following season and became the Milwaukee Brewers from 1970 to present). Topps baseball cards of Seattle Pilots players were printed in 1969 and 1970 (but not of Bouton; his career was so marginalized by then that his last cards came out while he was still a NY Yankee), and because of this book they’re popular to collect, much more than you would expect for players considered to be “commons” in the baseball card hobby.

  • @phild8095
    @phild8095 Год назад +2

    I was going into the 8'th grade in the fall. that summer my father bought the book My father and I took turns reading a chapter or two. We both loved the book.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      Thanks for Sharing, I enjoyed reading Ball Four myself, it was great to read, and laugh out loud funny!!!!

  • @brianbiechele1958
    @brianbiechele1958 Год назад +1

    A rite of spring. I read it every year since it came out. An incredible document of history. Shows how players were treated before free agency. And all the players mentioned. How they turn up when reading other baseball history books. A treasure we can never repay. Thank you Jim. God Bless.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      Yes indeed, I loved reading Ball Four myself, it was great to read, and Laugh out Loud Funny!!!!

    • @brianbiechele1958
      @brianbiechele1958 Год назад +1

      @@adamdorgant9454 Absolutely. So many great bits. The paternity suit. Classic. The telegram after the grandslam. But to show that his critics never read the book, how about things like bringing the fan into the bullpen for a half inning. His obvious love of the game.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      @@brianbiechele1958 You’re right about that, Or this one, Ray Oyler in the Back of the Bus, Boys, I had all the ingredients for a great piece of ass last night, plenty of time, and a hard-on. All I lacked was a broad!!!!

  • @dougprice8121
    @dougprice8121 Год назад +4

    Thanks for the fine video. Because I read BALL FOUR as a 13-yr old rabid fan and PONY player, the book really served as a pivot in my own sense of coming of age. As if, in gaining Bouton's insight, it made me not quite a kid anymore. I borrowed my grandfather's hardcover copy (still have it) very shortly after it came out. Laughed and laughed. It increased my empathy for the players and made them human. Bouton also plays a great role in the terrific Netflix documentary, BATTERED BASTARDS OF BASEBALL, about the Class A Portland Mavericks in the mid-70's.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад +2

      I enjoyed reading Ball Four myself, it was great to read, and laugh out loud funny!!!!

    • @tomreedyjr3631
      @tomreedyjr3631 Год назад +1

      My father in law and I laughed about this book..

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад +1

      @@tomreedyjr3631 How was it?

    • @tomreedyjr3631
      @tomreedyjr3631 Год назад +1

      @@adamdorgant9454 great, from beginning to end. If you like baseball and you get the chance, give it a look...

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад +1

      @@tomreedyjr3631 Have a copy of it, it was great to read and Laugh out Loud Funny, and Manager Joe Schultz was quite a character in it, he had some very funny quotes in it!!!

  • @aarond23
    @aarond23 Год назад +3

    Ball Four is really a great book and I didn't read it for the first time til the early 90s. Still resonated.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      Loved reading Ball Four myself, it was great to read, and Laugh out Loud Funny!!!!!

  • @lugnutlarry1764
    @lugnutlarry1764 Год назад +2

    Thanks for the reminder of this great book and fellow human being. I read Ball Four at some point in the late 80s as a young man in love with the game. I will definitely put it on my list to read again. Great video. And just a reminder to baseball fan and players alike, unwritten rules, are not rules.

  • @chrisrose6014
    @chrisrose6014 9 месяцев назад +1

    Ball Four and Eight Men Out are two of my favorite baseball books.

  • @ralphus44
    @ralphus44 Год назад +3

    It's a great book, extremely well-written and funny, and my personal favorite book of all time. Bouton may not be a Hall-of-Famer, but his book sure is.

  • @bobcarp1239
    @bobcarp1239 Год назад +4

    Ball Four is my Catcher in the Rye.

    • @chrisdevitt651
      @chrisdevitt651 Год назад +2

      Same sentiment here. Read Ball Four on the sly ( from a friend who “stole” it from his dad after his dad finished reading it.) in eighth grade. Thought it was great as it was the first adult book I had read after a steady diet of Hardy Boys novels. Get to high school and we were assigned the then controversial Salinger “Catcher in the Rye”. Compared to Ball Four, “Catcher” was weak sauce. After finishing Catcher, my only thought about it was that it was not as good as Bouton’s tome and Salinger never made it to the big leagues.

  • @joeinreallife6293
    @joeinreallife6293 Год назад +4

    Jim Bouton gives a great performance as Terry Lennox in one of the greatest films ever made, “The Long Goodbye”

  • @timblumenstock4687
    @timblumenstock4687 Год назад +1

    Thank you for very informative and interesting report on Jim Bouton and his historical book

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      I know Right, I enjoyed reading Ball Four Myself, it was great to read, and Laugh out Loud Funny!!!!!

  • @legendsofthedugout4899
    @legendsofthedugout4899 Год назад +1

    Thank you for sharing that. I am now looking into buying the book and find out more.
    Dave

  • @samking4179
    @samking4179 Год назад +1

    great review! love the subtle background music ... specifically the volume and the music chosen!

  • @byronh5806
    @byronh5806 Год назад +1

    Thank you for providing sources. The Internet is a better place when research is used

  • @babyswheels54
    @babyswheels54 Год назад +3

    Good job, learned a lot. I actually owned the book at one time. I was too young to grasp its meaning. Reading it now would be a different experience for me.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      It was great to read, and Laugh out Loud Funny!!!!

  • @hankl1118
    @hankl1118 Год назад +2

    First read the 1980 update (in 1985), then probably 4 times over the years, to a point where I had to order the latest, this one (autographed!) from Bouton himself! The commentator is spot on that Ball Four was more perceptive than all the tell-all and more revealing books by athletes since. That book is a gem, even for those who are not baseball fans.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      I have a 1990 edition and a 50th anniversary edition of Ball Four, I enjoyed reading both of them, they were great to read, and Laugh out Loud Funny!!!!

  • @stevenryle5709
    @stevenryle5709 Год назад +2

    My cousin Jim, way to go! Great Job buddy.

  • @egaz11
    @egaz11 Год назад +1

    I read the book in 1982 and was fascinated about the real life stories. I got to meet Billy Martin in 1989 and he was great. He gave me a pair of Yankee sunglasses. I would have gotten to meet Mantle when he came back to Calif but he died before I could meet him.

  • @enniswhalen2428
    @enniswhalen2428 Год назад +6

    Still remember Bouton's quote : You spend the greater part of your life gripping a baseball until one day, you realize that it was the other way around, all along . . . "

    • @tvtitlechampion3238
      @tvtitlechampion3238 Год назад +1

      Yeah, that was a beautiful turn of phrase that summarized the rapturous devotion some little boys had for the game in more innocent times. The juxtaposition of poesy and guttural exposition in the book was enthralling and kept the narrative varied and interesting.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      Yes, now that you mentioned it!!!

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      @@tvtitlechampion3238 True!!!!

  • @anthonyfoutch3152
    @anthonyfoutch3152 4 месяца назад +1

    I read Ball Four more times than I can count. I never read it as a kid. I wore out my library's copy so I bought my own , then lost it in a house fire. Now I just read it online.

  • @johnbrowne3950
    @johnbrowne3950 Год назад +2

    First baseball book I ever read. Loved it. Books on football: Out of their League and Meat on the Hoof outstanding as well.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      I enjoyed reading Ball Four myself, it was great to read and Laugh out Loud Funny!!!

  • @wacobob56dad
    @wacobob56dad Год назад +1

    I read his first two books. I watched him as a sportscaster here in NY back in the mid 70’s. Funny guy. I asked him one time when he did a walk on tryout for the Yankees wearing a disguise if he made the cut would he pitch for them. His reply was “at least a few innings”.

  • @rafaelallenblock
    @rafaelallenblock Год назад +2

    What a great observer. That whole story of drilling out the blood blister under a finger nail with the drill and blood flying around the clubhouse ... classic.

  • @SamtheBravesFan
    @SamtheBravesFan Год назад +3

    I read it in high school in 1999 or 2000, I forget exactly when, but it was a fascinating book and I remember a lot it and even now.

  • @greedo2660
    @greedo2660 Год назад +2

    I loved this book, and think I read it twice. Made me respect and like the knuckleball.

  • @perceivedvelocity9914
    @perceivedvelocity9914 Год назад +3

    Great video. I need to read that book.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      You will enjoy it, it is great to read and Laugh out Loud Funny!!!

  • @legrandfromage6450
    @legrandfromage6450 Год назад +2

    “Put that baseball away- the baseballs don’t come out till later!!” 😂

  • @jabbahursty
    @jabbahursty Год назад +2

    this book has been the greatest influence on my life of anything ever. -- no joke

  • @InglouriousBradsterd
    @InglouriousBradsterd Год назад +2

    Just subbed...love your vids, content, narration and background music. Great stuff!

  • @garylovell6634
    @garylovell6634 Год назад +1

    50 years later and I still laugh at the airplane anecdote with the player puking and the 'Good hands" response. Great book

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      I enjoyed reading Ball Four myself, it was great to read, and laugh out loud funny, and Joe Schultz was quite the character in it!!!!

  • @jeffha4057
    @jeffha4057 Год назад +3

    Really enjoy your videos. Great job!

  • @hiramnoone
    @hiramnoone Год назад +6

    Before Bouton's book, knuckle ballers were pretty much used exclusively out of the pen. Bouton however made an excellent case in Ball Four for them being used as starters, and managers like Tony LaRussa seeing the merit in that argument caught on to it, later using Wilber Wood in his rotation with great success.

    • @warlordofbritannia
      @warlordofbritannia Год назад +4

      Wilbur Wood was starting for the White Sox before LaRussa was their manager; in fact by the time LaRussa was White Sox manager Wood was done.
      You’re onto something though-during the ‘60s what knuckleballers pitched tended to do so out of the bullpen or in swing roles. But the change is not so much Ball Four but Phil Niekro and Wilbur Wood and then Charlie Hough. Wood and Hough started their careers in the bullpen then became workhouse starters.
      Ironically, starting knucklers are far more common historically speaking-the 1960s are the atypical time. Really, it’s Hoyt Wilhelm and his success that had people using knuckleballers out of the ‘pen; before and after his career this is essentially unheard of.

    • @throne1797
      @throne1797 Год назад +3

      @@warlordofbritannia You missed RA Dickey, the only knuckleballer to win the Cy Young award in 2012

    • @davidlafleche1142
      @davidlafleche1142 Год назад +5

      The best I ever saw was Tim Wakefield.

    • @hiramnoone
      @hiramnoone Год назад +1

      @@davidlafleche1142 Hoyt Wilhelm, Hall of Famer and primarily a reliever for most of his long career was used as a starter in the Oriole rotation for one season in 1959 and led the majors in ERA at 2.19. But for the rest of his career of another nine seasons, it was back to the pen.

    • @patrickmcgrath8334
      @patrickmcgrath8334 Год назад +1

      Wilbur Wood did not play for Tony LaRussa.

  • @adamdorgant9454
    @adamdorgant9454 Год назад +1

    Great video, and I enjoyed reading the book Ball Four myself, it was great to read and Laugh out Loud Funny!!!!

  • @thegame89145
    @thegame89145 Год назад +1

    Love this book so much! Hilarious and a blast to read!

  • @FLStelth
    @FLStelth Год назад +2

    He was a good villain in "The Long Goodbye".

  • @markb20
    @markb20 Год назад +2

    Great GREAT book; somewhere packed away in a dusty old box is my childhood copy of Ball Four.
    I'll bet the audio version of Bouton talking about pitcher Bill "The Spaceman" Lee's dislike of manager Don Zimmer is hilarious. Lee the free spirit often clashed with Zimmer's old-school ways of managing; Lee soon came up with the nickname "the Gerbil" for Zimmer.

    • @elc1960
      @elc1960 Год назад

      Lee's book The Wrong Stuff is pretty good too.

  • @djpass-mi4bi
    @djpass-mi4bi 11 месяцев назад +1

    It made me a fan.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 10 месяцев назад

      Me too, it was great to read, and Laugh out Loud Funny, and Manager Joe Schultz was quite the character in it!!!!

  • @rstefanie2622
    @rstefanie2622 5 месяцев назад +2

    True story. College baseball. Pre-season I make the team & we're picking out jerseys. I see #56 & yell out "56, Ooohh the bulldog"! Manager got so pissed he physically took the jersey & ripped it with his bare hands.

  • @johnstonejaxfldoxmebitch7388
    @johnstonejaxfldoxmebitch7388 Год назад +1

    I need to go back and re-read that book. Over the top at the time, not so much now.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      Ball Four was very good to read, and Laugh out Loud Funny!!!!!

  • @eli10az
    @eli10az Год назад +4

    Great book. Made me laugh out loud.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      Yes it was great to read, and Laugh out Loud Funny!!!!

  • @desamster
    @desamster Год назад +1

    Very interesting video. I like the way you narrate. This is a great channel.

  • @brianwilliams8635
    @brianwilliams8635 2 месяца назад +1

    I was a perfect candidate for appreciating Ball 4: I was a 15-year-old male in 1970!! So I am now age 69. Maybe a little more wisdom now? So I re-consider Ball 4 and now I sense bitterness behind Bouton's attitude. And I'm not pointing fingers: Here was a very young man who gained fame, soaked it in, then saw it go away because of a sore arm. This in a time when young players did not have agents to guide them in a whole lot of things including how to handle fame. How to insulate yourself some, to understand people's motivations. I think this is all standard now.

    • @thebaseballprofessor
      @thebaseballprofessor  2 месяца назад

      Bouton did an interview with Johnny Carson when he was playing fo the Portland Mavericks (mid-1970s). It's an interesting interview because Bouton had already played for the Yankees, wrote Ball Four, and worked as a sports broadcaster in NYC. Then he gave it up to pursue the dream of remaking the major leagues as a middle age knuckleball pitcher. Bouton explains to Carson that it was confusing for his children. They used to see their dad on TV. They knew he had once been a star pitcher. Now he was making very little money and traveling around with a lowly minor league team dreaming of a shot at the show. There is a groundedness and humility to the guy that makes him very likeable.

  • @rpc717
    @rpc717 9 месяцев назад

    Bill Freehan's "Behind The Mask" was one of my favorite books when I was growing up. I'd heard of Ball Four, but I only found out this year that it was another diary of the '69 season and was about the Pilots, one of my all time favorite teams, to boot. It took 50 years but I'm finally catching up.

    • @thebaseballprofessor
      @thebaseballprofessor  9 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks for mentioning "Behind the Mask". It's on my reading list now.

  • @tommoran236
    @tommoran236 Месяц назад +1

    Im 63 and still love Big League Chew.

  • @lukeberry1591
    @lukeberry1591 Год назад +1

    This was very informative! I wasn't aware of it before now. Thank You

  • @littlerougue
    @littlerougue Год назад +1

    one of my favorite books try to read it every spring

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      It was great to read, and laugh out loud funny!!!!

  • @stephaneblais9149
    @stephaneblais9149 Год назад +2

    Just finished reading it!!! I bought the Pïlots cap!!

  • @andrewfischer8564
    @andrewfischer8564 Год назад +2

    i remember when this came out... i must have it some where

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      Loved reading Ball Four, it was great to read, and Laugh out loud funny!!!!

  • @Rhysling2
    @Rhysling2 Год назад +3

    Brilliant. Thank you!

  • @pmnh
    @pmnh Год назад +1

    I was one of the baseball-crazy kids who read this in the 70s. And i remember being a little confused about all the controversy. Humanizing these guys, and showing how funny and real the game was, only made me love the players and MLB all the more.
    I was particularly perplexed by Mickey's reaction. I admired Mick before, but after reading this book, he became something more to me. Bouton's portrayal made me love the guy. Bouton made him funny and profane and kinda heroic. The real kind, not the TV-fake kind.
    Bears pointing out that this is a damn well-written book, too. Maybe that's why at least some of the sportswriters then hated it so much. He was a far better writer than nearly all of them.
    RIP, Bulldog. You made a lasting contribution to the best game there ever was.

    • @thebaseballprofessor
      @thebaseballprofessor  Год назад +1

      Bouton said on many occasions that his "controversial" anecdote about Mantle hitting a homerun while hungover illustrated what an incredible athlete he was. Thanks for the comment.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      Ball Four was great to read, and Laugh out Loud Funny!!!!

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад +1

      @@thebaseballprofessor And some Quotes from the book were Laugh Out Loud Funny!!!!😂😂😂😂

  • @csnide6702
    @csnide6702 Год назад +3

    was even made into a TV sitcom --- but it was so cleaned up the show died after one season..... That's why we're playing - Ball Four .....

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 10 месяцев назад

      Yes, now that you mentioned it!!!

  • @ctcards2636
    @ctcards2636 Год назад +2

    Just a few weeks ago i was at the store and saw Big League Chew ! I bought a "pouch" of the grape ;-).

  • @jpavlvs
    @jpavlvs Год назад +2

    This book is in my preminate library.

  • @johndeagle4389
    @johndeagle4389 Год назад +3

    Jim Bouton played Terry Lennox in Robert Altman's THE LONG GOODBYE.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      Yes, now that you mentioned it, I loved reading the book Ball Four myself, it was great to read, and laugh out loud funny!!!

  • @DTachaJr
    @DTachaJr Год назад +1

    For me it was Jim's time as a Portland Maverick that says alot about him and his love of the game, and he was entertaining the Portland fans..

    • @thebaseballprofessor
      @thebaseballprofessor  Год назад +1

      Totally. Bouton made $400 a month playing for the Mavericks. It meant moving his kids around and he said something interesting about the experience and I'm paraphrasing. "My kids have to see me struggle and that's good. I think before they thought you just sign up to be a Yankees pitcher or sports broadcaster. Now they know how hard it is."

    • @DTachaJr
      @DTachaJr Год назад +1

      @@thebaseballprofessor Agreed. Jim was a man with many talents. one that not mentioned often enough was his interest in the common man and the fight for righteousness. Here enclosed is a brief documentary of his other worldly pursuits.
      ruclips.net/video/OGA9Y0bz8ZA/видео.html

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      You’re right about that!!!!

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      @@thebaseballprofessorYes, now that you mentioned it!!!!

  • @floridamanpresents3952
    @floridamanpresents3952 Год назад +1

    Great voice. Great cuts. Keep on making videos

  • @edslounello1
    @edslounello1 Год назад +1

    Baseball was a hell of a lot more fun to watch back then than it is today.

    • @thebaseballprofessor
      @thebaseballprofessor  Год назад +1

      I am curious what MLB's rule changes for the 2023 season will do to baseball as a spectator experience. Like you, I enjoyed watching the game more during previous eras.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      True!!!

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      @@thebaseballprofessor You’re right about that!!

  • @davidhorton2782
    @davidhorton2782 Год назад +1

    JIM walked very tall in life. hats off to this honest man !

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      Yes indeed, I loved reading Ball Four myself, it was great to read, and Laugh out Loud Funny!!!!

  • @elc1960
    @elc1960 Год назад +2

    What Bouton said in that audio clip about managers and coaches is 100% true. The coaches were almost uniformly the managers' drinking buddies. For example, wherever Billy Martin went to manage he brought along his favorite drinking and carousing pal, Art Fowler. Art was basically just an average pitching coach, but he was also a serious elbow-bending boozer, as was Billy. Whether it was Detroit, Minnesota, Texas, New York or Oakland, Fowler was his pitching coach. And they closed a lot of barrooms and taverns together in their day.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      You’re right about that, and I enjoyed reading Ball Four myself, it was great to read and laugh out loud funny!!!!!

    • @elc1960
      @elc1960 Год назад +1

      @@adamdorgant9454 Yep, an essential baseball read. I remember the Seattle Pilots, but you don't need to remember them to find the humor in the book. Hilarious book.

    • @adamdorgant9454
      @adamdorgant9454 Год назад

      @@elc1960 True!!!

  • @danielcorreard3746
    @danielcorreard3746 7 месяцев назад +2

    i have never read ball four but i have the book i managed good but boy did they play bad it's a very good book rip Jim bouton.

  • @yell0wberry
    @yell0wberry Год назад +9

    I’m surprised a book that never got any mention, the Bronx zoo. I’m sure that would more or less be the R-rated version of ball four. This should have also been a book written about the exploits of the 1986 New York Mets, to this very day, there were a lot of things going on that no one is willing to speak on..

    • @thebaseballprofessor
      @thebaseballprofessor  Год назад +4

      I haven't read the Bronx Zoo, but it's on my list.

    • @tsubakisanjuro1
      @tsubakisanjuro1 Год назад +2

      The Bronx Zoo is not bad, just not as inspired as Ball Four.

    • @yell0wberry
      @yell0wberry Год назад +1

      @@tsubakisanjuro1 the Bronx zoo helped expose the New York Yankees as a super power ball club, not to mention the fact that this book had more cuss words in it, than the catcher in the rye

    • @TheYamahog12
      @TheYamahog12 Год назад +3

      Read “The Bad Guys Won”. Great book about the 86 Mets.

    • @yell0wberry
      @yell0wberry Год назад +1

      @@TheYamahog12 oh, they did make a book about the 86 Mets, I thought something else was coming out on behalf of Kevin Mitchell